[BRIEFING SESSION - 5:30 PM]
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I'M DAVID BAKER, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THIS STAFF BRIEFING IS HEREBY CALL THE ORDER AT FIVE FORTY EIGHT.
AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE THE STAFF BRIEFS THE BOARD PRE PREVENTS PRE REVIEWS.
THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND PRESENTATION OF THE CASE.
NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THIS BRIEFING, AND THAT MEANS THAT IT'S FOR, THIS IS FOR STAFF, IT'S NOT FOR THE AUDIENCE.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WILL NOW DO A ROLL CALL AND CALL MEMBERS AND SEE WHO'S HERE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT GIVES US SEVEN.
UH, LET LET THE RECORD REFLECT.
WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS PRESENT AND, UH, AND WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT NOW THE PRESENTATION BY JUNE COMMISSIONERS.
PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICS ON THE MICROPHONE BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU, ANY BOARD MEMBERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
UH, MS. ERIN SHERWOOD NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, SO I'LL FILL IN FOR HER AND DO THE BEST JOB I CAN.
SUMMARIZING WHAT SHE ALREADY HAS DONE.
SO, BASED ON THE, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST COVER, SKIP TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WE'LL SKIP ITEM NUMBER TWO AND COME BACK TO IT IF WE HAVE TIME FOR THE SAKE OF PUBLIC HEARING TIME.
SO THE ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A VARIANCE FOR FENCE HIKED.
IT'S LOCATED AT 36 0 2 CORN VALLEY ROAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CORN VALLEY STREET IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY TWO.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE FENCE HEIGHT AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A TOTAL OF ONE VARIANCES.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS AREA, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IS A EXISTING ROD IRON FENCE.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PICTURE HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER HAS BUILT A ROT IRON FENCE IN THE PAST.
WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, IS TO BUILD A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD FENCE WITH BRICK COLUMNS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REPRESENTATION IMAGE.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT SAME LOOK, BUT HE'S JUST WANTING TO COMMUNICATE, HEY, IT WILL LOOK SIMILAR TO, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR MATCH THE EXISTING AREA.
WHAT WE HAVE MARKED FOR YOU HERE IN THE GREEN IS, AS YOU CAN TELL, THAT THERE'S A ESTABLISHING A FAMILY SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH OF THEM.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THEY'RE NICELY, UH, PLACED HERE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXISTING SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE.
SO AGAIN, UM, THIS IS A PICTURE THAT ERIN HAS TAKEN FROM THE SITE.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE.
SO THIS ROCK IRON FENCE WILL GO AWAY AND THEY'LL PICK UP AND CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE ALL ALONG THE, THEIR FRONT YARD.
TYPICALLY, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE THAT'S ALL ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD IS THREE FEET.
THE FACT THE, UH, THE REASON THAT THE NORAM PROPERTY HAS THAT SIX FOOT FENCE IS BECAUSE IT'S A SIDE YARD IN THE REAR YARD.
SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE 'CAUSE IT'S SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE SEND 33 NOTICES.
YOUR RETURN IN FAVORS, YOUR RETURN POSTS.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC WHO WISH TO HEAR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.
IF BOARDS CHOOSE TO GRANT THE REQUEST, WE, UM, ASK THAT THE TYPICAL CONDITION OF THE ANY PROJECT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT AND CONFIRM THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE.
UH, WE JUST DON'T WANNA ADD THERE JUST FOR, UH, THE BUILDING PERMIT PURPOSES.
THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF, MR. BAKER? UH, NOW IS THIS EVEN WITH THE HOUSE OR IS THIS OUT AT THE STREET LINE? WHERE IS THIS RELATIONSHIP? YES, SIR.
SO THIS ACTUALLY SURVEY WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE RELATIONS TO THE HOUSE.
SO I BELIEVE THIS HOUSE WAS PROBABLY BUILT INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT IN THE HISTORY, THEY PROBABLY, UH, WANTED TO HAVE A NICE ENTRANCE FENCES AND, UM, NOW WHAT THEY WISH TO DO IS, INSTEAD OF REPLACING OR REPAIRING THAT FENCE, THEY CONSTRUCT A NEW SOLID WOOD FENCE.
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SO THE HOME IS THE YELLOW.YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE AREA HERE.
HOME IS KIND OF SET BACK QUITE A BIT INTO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS? MS. UM, ROGERS.
SO THIS IS IN THE FRONT YARD? YES, MA'AM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DESIRE TO DO.
SO IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THE HOMES CLOSELY, THEY JUST HAVE A VERY DISTINCTIVE CONFIGURATION.
AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY EVEN PUT THAT SCREENING FENCES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS OVER HERE THAT ARE IN THE FRONT YARD? NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF UNIQUELY SHAPED.
THEY ARE KIND OF INDEPENDENTLY DEVELOPED A LOT AWAY FROM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THEIR HOME EXISTED AND EVERYONE AROUND IT BUILT SUBDIVISIONS, EXCLUDING THEIR LOT.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE CAN TELL.
IS IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE HOUSE IS POSITIONED THAT THAT ROAD THERE IN FRONT OF IT, THAT IS IN THEIR PROPERTY? CORRECT.
SO, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE HERE DOES NOT, SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF CONSIDER SOMETIMES THESE PROPERTY LINES DOESN'T EXACTLY ALIGN WITH THE ACTUAL LOCATION BECAUSE OUR SATELLITE IMAGES ARE NOT ALWAYS IN ALIGNMENT.
SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT WE OBSERVE IS THIS IS THE HOME, THIS IS THEIR GARAGE, AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A CURB DRIVEWAY ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WHERE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE FENCES SHOWN HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, IT'S ACTUALLY ENTIRELY WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
SO IN THEIR PROPERTY LINE, THEY COULD HAVE A FRONT YARD FENCE, BUT THE FENCE WILL BE MAXIMUM AT THREE FEET HIGH INSTEAD OF THREE FEET.
WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUMP OR LOOK INTO IT, THEY ARE ASKING, HEY, CAN WE GO, GO AHEAD AND BUILD A SIX FOOT FENCE? BECAUSE IN OUR OPINION, THAT MATCHES WHAT'S EXISTING.
MS. DEBBIE? UM, THERE'S, SO CURRENTLY THERE IS A SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE THERE.
WAS IT PERMITTED IN THE BEGINNING THAT WE DO NOT KNOW HAVE? UH, WE COULD NOT FIND THE RECORD.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A WROUGHT IRON FENCE, THEY COULD JUST REPLACE THE CURRENT ONE? YES, MA'AM.
BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING THE, THE COMPOSITION OF THE, OF THE PRODUCT MATERIAL.
BUT IF, AND IF THE FRONT DOOR HAD BEEN FACING THE NORTH, THIS WOULD BE A SIDE FENCE.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A KIND OF A TRICKY QUESTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, FRONTAGE ACCESS FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT ON NORTH.
BUT YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT BECAUSE, UM, AT ONE POINT I THINK PEOPLE ASSUMED THIS WAS A DRIVEWAY OR A PUBLIC STREET'S NOT, IT'S ACTUALLY PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO THE APPLICANT PER THE PLAT PLAT IS PRETTY, IT'S NOT A SURVEY PLAT, IT'S A RECORDED RECORD WITH THE COUNTY.
IT SHOWS THAT PORTION BEING PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BUT WHICH WHICH THE WHITE, UM, WHAT IS THE WHITE, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE PLEASE? THIS WAY? UH, NO MORE.
WHAT IS THAT WHITE THING? IS THAT AN ELECTRICAL BOX? THIS OH, THIS? NO, I AM NOT SURE.
PROBABLY SO, BECAUSE YOU SEE THE POWER POLES.
IT'S PROBABLY A TRANSMISSION BOX OR SOME TYPE OF ELECTRICAL COM.
YOU GET A REQUEST TO TAKE FROM A WROUGHT IRON TO A WOOD.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE WOOD.
I THINK THAT'S A WOOD FENCE THERE.
BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE COR, CORRECT.
I CAN'T, SO THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD OF NORTH PROBABLY STEPS ABOUT HERE.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE FROM JUST THE PICTURES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AARON WENT THERE AFTER WORK.
IS NOT AS BRIGHT AS IT CAN BE.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING IS, HEY, UM, IT WILL BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING WITH FENCES BECAUSE NOT MANY PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT ACTUALLY I HAVE A HOME BEHIND IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST AND THE REASON FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
I'M ASSUMING, UH, TRUE NORTH IS STRAIGHT UP.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT MM-HMM
DO THEY HAVE A FENCE THAT FRONTS? IS THAT CARRIER? I BELIEVE THIS AREA, THE CORN VALLEY IS ENTIRELY FLOOD PLANE.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO HERE, THIS IS A FLOOD PLANE? NO.
SO TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT FENCES IN A FLOOD PLANE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THE DRAINAGE.
I KNOW YOU WERE HINT WAS RAISED AT ONE POINT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT? YES.
AND I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH CORN VALLEY IN BETWEEN.
UM, YEAH, LIKE THE SGP BALL FIELDS DOWN TO CARRIER, THAT'S THE MM-HMM
PIECE OF ROAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES WHOSE FRONT FACES CORN VALLEY? SO NOT REALLY, BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, SEEMS MOSTLY SIDE.
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SUBDIVISIONS TYPICALLY AS YOU CAN SEE, HAS A SINGLE FAM, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT KIND OF CREATES A ROADWAY NETWORK INTO THEIR HOME BEFORE THEY CAN HAVE A FRONT YARD.THIS ONE PROPERTY UNIQUELY, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW OR WHY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU WILL SEE THIS IN AN OLDER DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'S A PROPERTY WITH A HOME AND JUST EVERYBODY ELSE ALL AROUND, IT'S JUST BUILT, UH, AROUND THEIR PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THE PROPERTY HOME, LIKELY THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO JUST KEEP LIVING THERE AND NOT WILLING TO SELL AND THE DEVELOPER MAY ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL LANDS ALL AROUND IT, JUST ENOUGH TO CREATE THEIR OWN SUBDIVISION.
SO AGAIN, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
NOT SAYING THIS IS CONFIRMED AND PROVEN WHAT HAPPENED.
IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S, IT WAS JUST A, UH, MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, FLOOD PLAIN AREA AND PART OF IT WAS PRONE TO FLOODING.
SO THEY, THEY, THE WAY THEY COULD DEVELOP IT PROBABLY WASN'T VERY REASONABLE.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS MM-HMM
GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE YOU WERE JUST AT OKAY.
ANY OF THESE HOMES OUT HERE THAT CAN THEN COME INTO THE CITY AND ASK FOR ANOTHER SIX FOOT FENCE AND THEIR FRONT YARDS AND IT COMES TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH TO THE SOUTH TO THOSE HOMES.
WELL, SO THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A RARE YARD FENCE THAT'S SIX FOOT WOOD SCREENING.
IF THEY'RE FACING, UM, THE ESTATE DRIVE, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AS A VARIANCE.
WOULDN'T BE SETTING PRECEDENT FOR THAT.
AGAIN, CBA CASE IS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST, UM, ONE EACH ONE UNIQUELY CONSIDERATION FOR EACH ONE UNIQUELY.
UM, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT SHE'S SAYING, THAT IS MY CONCERN, MA'AM.
WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE MM-HMM
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MM-HMM
IN THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE MM-HMM
BUT YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE HERE ON MM-HMM
A STATE DRIVE IN THE CORNER MM-HMM
THAT IF THEY COME UP NEXT WEEK AND SAY, I WANNA PUT A SIX FOOT, UH, SOLID FENCE ACROSS THAT MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULD BE HARD TO DENY.
THAT WILL, THAT WILL GO BACK TO WHAT MS. DEBBIE WAS SAYING.
WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE, UH, FA UH, HOUSE IS FACING.
SO IF THEY ARE TRULY A SIDE YARD, THEN THEY CAN HAVE A SIX FOOT SCREENING FENCE ALL THE WAY UP TO A 50 FEET FROM THE STREET, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR REGULATION.
IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IT ANY CLOSER TO THE ESTATE STREET THAN THE 50 FEET FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE, THEN THEY, WE'LL HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT FOR THAT PORTION.
THAT'S HOW OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN FOR CORNER LOTS.
BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS TRICKY BECAUSE IF THE CORNER LOTS HAVE THE FENCES ALL THE WAY UP, THAT TYPICALLY CREATES A VISIBILITY ISSUE.
SO AGAIN, THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS KIND OF UNIQUE THAT WE WENT IN BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, JUST TO CONFIRM THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A KIND IN A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
YOU'RE NOT LETTING ME OFF THE HOOK THAT EASILY
[Call to Order]
NOW WE'LL UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND COME TO OUR REGULAR MEETING.MR. DEBBIE JOHNSON, WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE INDICATION? OH, SORRY.
WE DO HAVE MR. CAESAR RAMIREZ HERE.
UM, IF YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, LAURA WANTS TO SPEAK AND HAS NOT FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD, PLEASE GO ON.
THERE'S ONE FOR, WHO ARE THEY FOR? ALRIGHT, LET'S GET THIS, UH, LET'S GET THIS ROLLING HERE.
TONIGHT WE HAVE NINE BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH IS A GREAT THING.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
UH, MS. JOHNSON, WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE INVOCATION PLEASE? THANK YOU DEARLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO, UH, GIVE OF OUR TIME TO GIVE OUR OUR CITIZENS, UM, UM, THE BEST, UH, SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THEIR PROBLEMS THAT IS, IS BEST FOR THE CITY AND FOR THEM AS WELL.
LORD, GUIDE US IN, IN OUR DECISION MAKING AND, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO SERVE, UM, AT, AT THE CITY LORD.
UM, AND, UM, PLEASE BLESS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, IN ATTENDANCE TODAY AND HAVE SAFE TRAVELS BACK HOME IN CHRIST NAME I PRAY.
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THE FIRST THING ON, ON OUR AGENDA IS TO APPROVE OF THE MARCH, MARCH 16TH.DAVID, DAVID, WE DO A ROLL CALL.
WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL FOR THAT.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL AGAIN REAL QUICK.
YEAH, THAT WASN'T ON MY LIST, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL FOR MEMBERS.
ALRIGHT, LET LET THEM BE KNOWN.
WE HAVE NINE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, NOW, UH, WE NEED TO GO, GO OVER ANY MORE GUIDELINES.
ARE WE READY TO ROLL? YOU CAN GO.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE FIRST THING IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR, UH, MARCH 16TH, 2026.DO I HEAR A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MARCH 16TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY ANNA AND THE SECOND BY, UH, SHERA.
ANYBODY? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY WANNA SAY? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
IT COULD BE A MINOR PROCEDURAL DEAL.
I DID NOT WR MY HAND AS OH, IT'S NOT PRESENT.
I WAS GONNA ABSTAIN, I PRESUME.
THAT'S A NON-ISSUE, BUT NO, THEN THAT IS NOT NINE A ZERO.
NO, IT, BUT, UH, YOU WANT ABSTAIN.
I MEAN EIGHT TO ONE ABSTENTION.
JUST FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO MAY CONTEMPLATE ABSTAINING, IF YOU ABSTAIN, WE COUNT THAT TOWARD THE, UH, FOUR.
SO, SO YOU'RE NOT OPPOSING BY ABSTAINING.
I ZERO WE, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION IN OTHER MEETINGS.
SO UNLESS HILLARY DISAGREES, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN GUIDED FROM OTHER ATTORNEYS IN OTHER BOARDS MEETINGS.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST.
UH, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VARIANCES EXCEPTIONS AND APPEALS AS PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE UNITED DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO 11.009 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS ARTICLE ONE OF THE UNITED, UNITED DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, UH, THE ENCOURAGING VOTE OF SEVEN MEMBERS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN OF THE BOARD IS NECESSARY TO DECIDE IN FAVOR OF AN APPLICANT OR IN A MATTER ON WHICH THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ANY ITEM LISTED IN THE AGENDA UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC ITEMS. THERE WILL BE A TIME AT THE END TOO FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
[2. ZBA-26-03-0010 (Council District 6) – Variances to the side and rear yard setbacks for an accessory structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 1021 Coffeyville Trail, legally described as Lot 10, Block PP, Trailwood Addition No. 8, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, Planned Development-81 (PD-81) District]
UH, WOULD YOU, JUNE, WOULD YOU NOW TALK ABOUT CASE NUMBER TWO? YES.GOOD EVENING AGAIN, BOARD MEMBERS, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO HERE TONIGHT IS A ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 0.
THIS IS A VARIANCE TO SITE AND AREA CEX FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 10 21 COFFEEVILLE TRAIL.
THEY HAVE AN ALLEY IN THE BACK AND THE PRO UH, PROPOSAL IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL STORAGE SHED.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TWO VARIANCES.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING HOUSE MARK WITH BLUE.
THEY HAVE CURRENTLY A EXISTING STORE SHARE, WHICH THEY PLAN ON DEMOLISHING AND BUILDING A BRAND NEW ONE.
HERE'S THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS PROVIDED APPLICANT TO SHOW THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
IT IS ABOUT 20 BY 10, WHICH IS 240 BECAUSE THE HEIGHT EXCEEDS 10 FEET THERE.
UM, REQUIRED SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THREE BY THREE FEET AND THREE FEET.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THEY'RE NOT IN ENCROACHING INTO ANY OF THESE EASEMENTS IN THE AREA.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A ONE FOOT REDUCTION ON THE SIDE YARD REQUIRED FROM SIX FOOT TO ALLOW FIVE FOOT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING FIVE FOOT REDUCTION FROM THE REQUIRED 10 FOOT TO PROPOSE FIVE FEET.
WE DID, UM, WE DID SEND OUT 53 NOTICES.
THE AREA IS NOT IN THE HOA, UH, WE DID RECEIVE A SUPPORT LETTER FROM THE PRISON ACROSS THE STREET.
SO BEFORE I GO INTO THAT, YOU SEE THIS WHITE, UM, AREA IS WHERE THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE STORAGE, SHE WILL BE LOCATED.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE OPPOSITION LETTER FROM THE 10 17 COFFEE BILL.
AND HERE'S THE COMMENT, WHICH IS A VALID CONCERN THAT THE, ANY ENHANCEMENT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL, MAY, EVEN IF IT'S POSITIVE CHANGE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SLIGHT MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REQUEST
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WAS BECAUSE OUR, UH, CAPTIONS WAS PROBABLY NOT CLEAR ENOUGH.SO I THINK THE, UM, RESIDENTS CONCERN GENUINELY IS ANY CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE FRONT.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS IN THE BACKYARD AND WILL BE SCREENED BY THE EXISTING FENCES.
STEPH DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA 23 0 3 0 0 1 0 AS REQUESTED.
UM, THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTION FOR STEPH AT THIS TIME? ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT MR. WOLF? YES, JUNE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, YOU PUT THE SLIDE I WAS LOOKING FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, AND THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ARE CHANGE, ARE NOW TOO CLOSE.
UM, IN THE PROPOSAL, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM ME, FROM THE EXISTING, UH, SHED THAT WAS REMOVED, THAT, THAT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE SIDE YARD ALREADY.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GETTING THE SAME THING THERE IF WE APPROVE IT.
THAT IS ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT THAT STEPH DID NOT CONSIDER, BUT THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS WAS BASED ON A SURVEY, SO WE COULDN'T VERIFY THE DISTANCE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT YOU DO HAVE A VALID POINT.
JUNE, WOULDN'T THAT HAVE MATTERED BECAUSE OF HEIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
SO IF IT'S 10 FEET OR BELOW RIGHT, THEY CAN BE THREE, FIVE FEET BY THREE FEET.
THEY CAN BE ABOUT THREE FEET OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE STRUCTURE BEING CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IT'S JUST ONE FOR MRS. JOHNSON? YES.
UH, DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO, IS THE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WE DIDN'T, UH, WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UH, PON LETTER.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? THIS MIGHT BE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF ZBA, BUT WITH THE REDUCED VARIANCE TO THE BACK, I WONDER ABOUT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ACCESS THAT IF THIS IS BUILT WITHIN THAT NARROWER WINDOW.
SO WE DID CHECK TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO, UH, NOT ANY EASEMENT.
SO IN THE PAST WHEN THEY DID NOT HAVE AN ALLEY, IT'S VERY COMMON TO SEE AN OLDER DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE THAT 7.5 FOOT UTILITIES EASEMENT IN THE BAG.
WE DID VERIFY WITH THE PLOT THAT THERE'S NO ABSOLUTELY EASEMENT AT THAT SIDE.
SO THEY'RE GOOD IN TERMS OF EASEMENTS AND UTILITY LINES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UH, DAVID BENBO, UH, YOU DOWN, YOU'RE DOWN HERE IN SUPPORT, BUT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THE BOARD MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UH, WOULD YOU MIND COMING DOWN AND, AND, AND TALKING TO US PLEASE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? I THINK DEBBIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, WE, UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ALLEY? I DO.
UM, THE REASON I'M EVEN ASKING THAT IT'S AN 11 FOOT TALL AT THE PEAK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, WILL THAT SHED BE ACCESSING SOMETHING COMING IN FROM THE BACK ALLEY? NO, IT WILL NOT.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
NO, IT'S, WHAT IS THE ALLEY THERE FOR? IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TRASH PICKUP OR EAST, THAT'S WHERE TRASH PICKUP SAT THERE.
OH, IT THERE, IT'S OKAY THERE.
IS AND IS THIS AN IN AN ENGINEERED BUILDING? YES, IT IS.
BECAUSE I WAS GONNA TELL YOU IF IT NO, IT'S AN ENGINEERED BUILDING.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WRIGHT? YES SIR.
I ASKED THE JUNE OF THE STAFF ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT YOU REMOVED AND WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN.
SO IS IT ANY CLOSER TO THE SIDE? THE ONE THAT'S THERE AT THE MOMENT? IT'S A, IT'S A STORAGE BELT AND ALL THAT, AND IT'S ABOUT TWO FOOT OFF THE FENCE THAT WAS EXISTING WHEN I MOVED INTO THE PLACE.
AND, UM, IT'S OLD AND I WANNA PUT SOMETHING NICER IN AND I'M GONNA TAKE THE STUFF OUTTA THAT AND PUT INTO THE NEW ONE WHEN, UH, IT'S BUILT.
IF Y'ALL ALLOW ME TO BUILD IT THERE,
SO THIS, THE, THE OLD ONE'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE FENCE.
YEAH, IT'S ABOUT TWO FOOT OFF THE FENCE AND I WAS LIKE, AH.
BUT THE UTILITIES ARE NOT, IT'S GONNA BE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
IT'S BETWEEN THE FIVE FOOT AND THE FENCE IS WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE RUNNING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND JUNE, THE UH, STAFF DID, HAD NO OBJECTIONS.
UH, THERE, SINCE WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, IS THIS ANY, ANY PARTICULAR, UH, MEMBERS ZONE HERE? DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SIX? UM, I'M FROM DISTRICT SIX.
UH, WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION HERE? UM, JUST, UH, I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
WE COMPLETED THE BRIEFING AND NOW WE ARE OFFICIALLY ON THE MEETING.
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JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE, APPROVE, UH, ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 0.AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY DAVID JOHNSON.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YES MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER TWO PASSES.
[3. ZBA-26-03-0011 (Council District 2) – Variance to increase the maximum height allowed for a fence permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 3602 Corn Valley Road, legally described as Lot 16R, Block A, Country Club Addition No. 1, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Two (SF-2) District]
IS THE ITEM NUMBER THREE CBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 1.THIS IS A VARIANCE REQUEST TO A FENCE HEIGHT.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 36 OH TO CORN, UH, CORN VALLEY ROAD.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE FENCE HEIGHT.
SO THE EXISTING HOUSE IS LOCATED KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
THEY USED TO HAVE A WR IRON FENCE AS SHOWN ON THE RED.
RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING WOOD FENCE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, POSSIBLY AT THE TIME THE SNODEN SUBDIVISION WAS DEVELOPED.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROD IRON FENCE WITH THE SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE WITH BRICK COLUMNS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REPRESENTATION IMAGE.
WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED HOW CLOSE THE BRICK COLUMNS WILL BE LOCATED.
HERE'S A STREET VIEW OF THE EXISTING CONDITION.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE WOOD FENCE FROM THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION.
THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING ROUTE IRON FENCE.
THEY WISH TO REPLACE IT WITH A SIX.
WITH CEDAR, WITH FENCE WITH BRICK COLUMNS.
ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN.
THE POST THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER TWO.
STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.
IF, UH, BOARD, UM, CHOOSE TO GRANT THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OUR BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THIS IS OUR, ONE OF THE STANDARD COMMENTS THAT IS ADDED TO THE CONDITIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES STEP PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? YES.
I MAY NEED TO ASK THE PROPERTY, BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE DRIVEWAY? IS THAT STILL GONNA BE A
MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY INSTALL A SLIDING GATE.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY INSTALL SUCH UH, WALLS SO THAT IT WILL BLEND IN WITH THE WALL WHEN IT'S CLOSED, BUT THEN IT WILL STILL ALLOW FOR CAR MOVEMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT CLARIFIED, BUT THAT IS A VERY VALID QUESTION THAT THE APPLICANT ANSWER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANY QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? ALRIGHT.
UM, LOOK, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER HERE.
UH, DO WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE? ALRIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE PROPERTY OWNER.
I HAVE THREE CARDS AND TWO PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK.
UH, MARSHALL WARDEN, COME ON DOWN.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO TELL US.
I LIVE AT 5 33 SIR ROLAND DRIVE.
UH, AND I LIVE IN THE WHISPERING OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
I APPRECIATE THE NOTICE THAT YOU SENT OUT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, TO, TO THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
IT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT WISHES TO INSTALL A SOLID WOOD FENCE SIX FEET OR HIGHER ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF HIS PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG CORN VALLEY ROAD.
AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, THE U THE UDC RESTRICTS, UH, FENCES ON THE FRONT FACING SIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO BE NO MORE THAN THREE FEET.
BUT IN CONFLICT WITH THAT, THE, THE EXISTING WROUGHT IRON FENCE, UH, THAT'S IN PLACE IS BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE FEET HIGH.
UH, AND IT HAS A MOTORIZED DRIVEWAY GATE ACCESS THAT IS, UH, INCLUDED TO ALLOW ACCESS ONTO THE PROPERTY.
THE WROUGHT IRON FENCING IS, UH, STILL HAS VISUAL TRANSPARENCY AS OPPOSED TO A SOLID WOOD FENCE.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT IS PART OF MY CONCERN AND IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON, SORRY, TOUCHED ON BY, BY SOME OF THE BOARD TONIGHT ABOUT PUTTING A SOLID, UH, FENCE STRUCTURE ALONG THE FRONT OF
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A PROPERTY.UM, I HAVE LIVED IN GRAND PRAIRIE ALL MY LIFE, UH, AND I HAVE TRAVELED THROUGH MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER IN, IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A, UH, A HOUSE THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS A SOLID WOOD FENCE OF, OF ANY TYPE ALONG THEIR FRONT PROPERTY.
UH, SO THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.
UH, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT HAPPENS IN, IN OUR CITY.
AND PER THE UDC IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR GOOD REASON.
APPROVING THIS VARIANCE CREATES WHAT I FEEL COULD SET A BAD PRECEDENT THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY, BY THE BOARD AS WELL TONIGHT.
UH, THE PRECEDENT BEING THAT OTHERS WHO, WHO, UH, MAY HAVE THE SAME IDEA ABOUT PUTTING A FENCE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO POINT TO NOW AND SAY, YOU LET THIS PERSON DO IT, WHY DON'T YOU LET ME DO IT? AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS WHAT HAVE THEY GOT TO HIDE? THERE'S NO REASON TO NEED TO HIDE YOUR FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY FROM, FROM THE STREET AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TO MY ZBA MEMBERS WHO ARE ALL GRAND PRAIRIE RESIDENTS.
I'M SURE I WOULD POSE THIS QUESTION IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF YOU WERE TO SOMEDAY FIND THE FRONT OF YOUR HOME BOXED IN BETWEEN TWO OTHER HOUSES WHO DECIDED THAT IT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FENCE ALONG THE FRONT OF THEIR, ON THEIR FRONT PROPERTY LINE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS WANTED MORE PRIVACY? I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S THE, THE WORST CASE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
BUT IT'S, I GUESS IT COULD HAPPEN IN CLOSING, IT'S, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THIS, THIS VARIANCE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, IF APPROVED BY THE ZBA WILL GIVE US A SOLID VISUAL BARRIER FENCE THAT WILL NOT BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, WILL NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO COMMUNITY INTERACTION, AND FINALLY, WILL CERTAINLY NOT BE NEIGHBORLY.
I AM THEREFORE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR DENIAL OF THIS VARIANCE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO RESPOND.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME, BUT I DO HAVE MARSHALL OKAY.
YOU LIVE NORTH OF HERE, UH, ON THE MAIN STREET, SIR ROLLMAN? I LIVE ON SIR ROLLMAN, YES.
DOES YOUR PROPERTY FACE THIS ONE AT ALL? UH, NO.
I'M, I'M NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT, BUT, SORRY.
UH, UH, NOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
I, I AM ON THE, UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF SIR OLAND.
SO I'M, I'M DOWN A WAYS FROM WHERE THIS IS, BUT YOU KNOW, I DRIVE THROUGH BY THIS ALL THE TIME.
IT'S, IT'S MY ROUTE TO GET HOME.
UM, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THIS PLACE OR GO BY THIS PLACE, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THEIR FRONT DOOR NOW? YES.
YES, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE NOW I, I'M LOOKING, I'M ONLY LOOKING AT THE, THE PICTURE WE GOT UP HERE.
SO, AND I'M, I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT DOOR, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT DOOR THERE.
THERE REALLY TRUTHFULLY IS NOT A LOT OF VISIBILITY IN WHERE, WHERE THE GATE
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IS AND A LITTLE EITHER SIDE OF THE GATE BEFORE YOU GET, YOU GET TREES ON THE SOUTH SIDE MM-HMMTHAT ARE KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHERE THE, THE, UH, UH, DRAINAGE WAY COMES IN FROM JACKSON MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CORN VALLEY.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THERE AND, UM, SO THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VISIBILITY AND, AND I'VE NOTICED SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED IN AND I'M, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN VERY LONG.
PROBABLY THE LAST FOUR TO SIX MONTHS MAYBE.
UH, BUT, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE ALREADY PLANTED THREE CEDAR TREES RIGHT IN THE AREA JUST, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE THE, UH, MOTORIZED GATE IS.
SO THEY SEEM TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT BEING COVERED.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I HAVE NO SUPPOSITIONS AS TO WHY, BUT, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT BEING COVERED.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THESE EXPLANATIONS.
UM, THE CITY STAFF WILL, IN THE PROCESS OF ANY OF THESE THINGS, WE'LL SEND OUT NOTICES TO FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DID YOU GET ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS? YES, I DID.
AND I APPRECIATE BEING NOTIFIED.
AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO RESPOND BUT RATHER COME ME OR TONIGHT? WELL, I WASN'T EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WAS, BUT I DID WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT, UH, ORALLY TO, TO THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, NOW THEN, UH, BARRY DI HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR BARRY D SAID HE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS.
I, I TRY AND MOVE THIS AND HE IS OPPOSED
UH, THANK YOU BOARD AND APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO TALK AND, UH, I DID SUBMIT MY INFORMATION ONLINE, UH, STATING THAT I WAS OPPOSED.
I SAID I DID, I DID BUY ONLINE AND I DID STATE THAT I WAS OPPOSED TO IT AND THAT I WOULD BE COMING UP TO, AND I CAME UP EARLIER TODAY TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT MORE INFORMATION AND COULD YOU TELL, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL, PLEASE.
IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MR. WATER'S HOUSE.
WE ARE PROBABLY, I'M THE SECOND HOUSE ON SIR ROLAND AS YOU SEE THAT MAP RIGHT UP THERE, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE FENCE AND THAT'S THE SIDE.
THAT'S THE SIDE GOING INTO THE PID GOTCHA.
SO THERE'S NO HOUSE FRONTING THAT.
ALL THE HOUSES THERE FRONT SIROLA GOTCHA.
OR SIR STEWART ON THE BACKSIDE ON THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE OF A STATE FACES A STATE.
SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE, UH, I I I JUST BASICALLY, HERE'S WHAT I WROTE UP THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A MULTI-FAMILY USE LOCATION ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND NO HOUSE BASICALLY ALONG CORN VALLEY HAS A WOODEN FENCE IN FRONT OF IT.
I'M BASICALLY JUST REPEATING SOMETHING THAT, UH, MR. WARD HAS ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HOUSES EITHER HAVE A WOODEN FENCE ON THE SIDE OR BEHIND, BUT IT'S NOTHING IN FRONT.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF I DECIDE I WANT TO PUT A WOODEN FRONT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT MY NEIGHBOR? YOU KNOW, FORGET ABOUT ME, BUT HOW WOULD I AFFECT MY NEIGHBOR? AND SO WE ARE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE SUPPOSED TO ALL, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PID, IS TO KEEP PROPERTY VALUE UP.
AND BASICALLY TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORLY, UH, TYPE OF FASHION.
NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I I, AND I HATE, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE, UH, TOTALLY, TOTALLY, TOTALLY NEGATIVE BECAUSE IF HE WANTED TO PUT A RAW IRON FENCE UP THERE AND WANT DECREASE THE HEIGHT OF THAT, NO PROBLEM.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT LOOKS.
PLUS THE FACT YOU GOT A MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT AND ALL THAT FLOODPLAIN THERE, THAT'S A CREEK.
AND WHERE YOU GOT ALL THAT GROWING UP ALONGSIDE
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OF THERE, IT'S ALMOST GETTING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY OVERGROWN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE CUT BACK FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.JUST 'CAUSE WE GOT KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL AND FROM SCHOOL IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST THING THAT NEEDS TO REALLY BE ADDRESSED BY THE CITY SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SEEING SOME OF THESE CHECKOFF MARKS HERE IN THE FINDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, UH, HEALTHY AND UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
AND I'M, AND I'M DISAGREEING WITH IT ALL.
I'M DISAGREEING WITH EVERYTHING THE STAFF, UH, EVALUATION CAME UP WITH, I MEAN, TOTAL DISAGREEING WITH, WITH IT.
UH, AND I, I THINK IF, IF SOMETHING IS ALLOWED THEN IT NEEDS TO BASICALLY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS TAKEN A, A, A LOT OF, A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF MONEY, UH, YOU KNOW, ALONG SOME OF OUR MAIN STREETS WHERE WE HAVE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN TO PUT UP FENCES TO MAINTAIN IT, TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN YOU SEE SOMEWHERE YOU PUT UP A, A WOODEN, SOMEBODY TELL YOU THEY GONNA DO IT AND THEY PUT UP A WOODEN FENCE AND THEN THEY'RE ALL CAVED IN AND THEN THEY DIDN'T PUT THE CONCRETE UPON IT AND THEY DIDN'T PUT THE OTHER CONCRETE STATUES ON THE SIDE OF IT, AND THEN IT'S NOT THE SAME COLOR.
SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, IN TIME EVERYTHING GOES DOWN.
YOU, YOU KNOW HOW, WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT BASICALLY IN, IN A NUTSHELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY OPPOSED TO IT.
AND I'M BASICALLY, UH, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN ANOTHER BUILDING WHERE YOU SEE WHERE A YELLOW PART OF THAT PROPERTY IS.
AND YOU SEE RIGHT ON THE SIDE THERE, THERE'S BEEN A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN BUILT THERE, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S AT LEAST 22 FEET HIGH.
NOW THEY SAY THEY WAS GOING TO BE DOING A HOBBY IN THERE 'CAUSE I CAME UP AND CHECKED AND SEE IF THEY HAD A PERMIT FOR THIS.
BUT IT, IT AIN'T MY, YOU KNOW, I I I'M NOT A CODE ENFORCER.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU TRUST THE CITY THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW UP WITH SOMEBODY WHEN THEY SAY THEY GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THE FENCE THING.
THEY COULD SAY THEY GOING TO PUT UP THIS QUALITY OF DEAL AND THEN DON'T PUT UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND STILL YOU GOT A SAFETY ISSUE THERE WITH KIDS GOING TO FROM SCHOOL, PARENTS WALKING THEM THERE, SO ON AND SO ON.
ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT LINE IS CLEAR AND THE CITY HAS COME BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP THE ROAD GOING TOWARD THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY CAME BACK AND CLEARED ALL THAT OFF AROUND THAT CREEK, AROUND THAT CREEK TO KEEP THAT AREA SAFE FOR KIDS WALKING TWO SCHOOLS AND FAMILY WALKING AND BEING ABLE TO USE THE PARK IN THAT AREA, UH, AS WELL.
SO I TAKE UP ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME OR THIS ONE THAT YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY WELL.
AND BARRY, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, AREA THAT DOES NEED TO BE CLEANED UP.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND JUNE WE'LL GIVE YOU, UH, SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
IF WE ASK QUESTIONS? NO, IT'S NOT.
HEY, AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH ASKING.
THAT'S ASKING YOU PLEASE AND SAYING THANK YOU'S.
ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, OKAY, SO YOU'RE AT, YOU SAID YOU'RE AT 5 0 5, WHICH IS, UH, THE SECOND HOUSE ON THE, UH, FACING NO, WHERE IT SAYS SIX FOOT WOOD, THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE? YES.
THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS, IT SAYS SIX FOOT, BUT ACTUALLY THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S EIGHT FEET.
UM, SO, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M KIND OF STUCK HERE A LITTLE BIT.
IN THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU DID SUBMIT, UH, AN OBJECTION TO THIS WHEN YOU CORRECT.
WERE CONTACTED, BUT SOME SOME REASON WE DON'T HAVE IT.
NO, I WONDER WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE, BUT THAT WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
IT'S, IT'S IN, IT IS IN, I CAME, I, I DID IT UH, MAYBE SUNDAY NIGHT, MAYBE MAYBE SUNDAY OR SATURDAY.
MAYBE THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT IS.
AND SO THEN THAT'S WHY I CAME UP TODAY TO MAKE SURE WHETHER OR NOT THEY GOT IT OR NOT.
AND THEN TO FI FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES GOING TO BE AND THEN THE, THE YOUNG MAN DID GIMME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO LET ME KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA WAS WHEN IT WAS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA AND GAVE ME SOME MORE LIKE, OKAY, THEY ARE TALK, TALKING ABOUT A WOODEN FENCE AND UH, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT ALL WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHAT WE ALL YOU, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT DOING? WHAT IS THIS VARIANCE? IS IT JUST GOING UP THREE FEET HIGHER WITH WROUGHT IRON OR IT'S JUST REPLACING THE WROUGHT IRON WITH WOODEN? GOTCHA.
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ALRIGHT, BARRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.ALRIGHT, I'VE GOT A CARD FROM DAN MAKO AND HE SAYS HE, UH, IS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BUT DOES NOT WANNA SPEAK.
DAN, HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND? YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS OR NOT? NO.
SO WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE THREE OPPOSITION CARDS HERE AND ONE WHO DOES NOT WANNA SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WANTS TO, UH, GET A CARD OR SPEAK ON THIS? ALRIGHT.
NOBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS? YES MA'AM.
QUESTION? WE DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, UH, THIS IS ZONE TWO.
ANYBODY HERE? WHO'S ANYBODY HERE ON ZONE TWO? YES SIR.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? YES, I WOULD.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND NOT APPROVE.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, CLO CLOSE APPROVED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
A MOTION FAILS NINE TO ZERO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
SINCE THE MOTION TO APPROVE FAILED, IT IS RESULTING IN A DENIAL.
YEAH, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YES.
[4. ZBA-26-03-0012 (Council District 5) – Special Exception for a front yard carport and variances to the total number of accessory structures, to the maximum area of all accessory structures, to the maximum area and to the maximum width for a front yard carport, and to the required front yard setback for a front yard carport permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 1321 Willow Street, legally described as Lot 6, Block D, Northaven Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Four (SF-4) District]
UH, JUNE, WOULD YOU BRING US UP TO NUMBER FOUR PLEASE? THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A, ANOTHER VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ZBA 2 6 0 3 0 0 1 2.SO THIS IS TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT AT THE 1321 WILLOW STREET.
THIS IS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY FOUR, AND THIS IS A, UH, CARPORT VARIANCE, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A CARPORT, AS WELL AS, UH, FIVE VARIANCES IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE CARPORT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING HOUSE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A CARPORT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I REALIZED THAT I OMITTED ONE OF THE, UM, PICTURES THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
THIS ACTUALLY HELPS COMMUNICATE REALLY BEST, UH, WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED CONSTRUCTING A CAR, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OKAY.
SO THE EXISTING HOUSE IS LOCATED HERE.
THEY ARE REQUESTING FIVE VARIANCES.
THE FIRST VARIANCE, AS YOU ARE YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR, IS THAT WE LIMIT NUMBER OF ACCESS STRUCTURE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO, TO, UH, THREE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE TOTAL A FIVE, UH, ACCESS STRUCTURES EXISTING.
THE ONE THEY'RE ADDING AS A CARPORT WILL BE THERE SIX TO ONE.
SO THIS IS A VARIANCE NUMBER ONE.
SO THE TOTAL AREA OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CANNOT EXCEED THE 50% OF THE PRIMARY HOUSE.
KEEP IN MIND, THIS AREA WAS BUILT IN 1942.
THE HOUSE WAS PROBABLY BUILT MUCH SMALLER.
IT SEEMS THAT BACK IN 1942, NOVAN ACTUALLY BUILT GARAGES
JUST FOR THE CONTEXT, UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL CARPORT WILL MAKE ALL THEIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO BE AT 2066 SQUARE FEET.
THE MAXIMUM AREA OF CARPORT IS LIMITED TO 500 SQUARE FEET.
THE WIDTH OF THE CARPORT ALLOWED IS TYPICALLY 26 FEET.
THAT COMPARABLY FITS IN TWO CARS.
UM, AS I HAVE SHOWN YOU IN THE ELEVATION PHOTO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE INTENDED TO DO WAS TAKE OUT THIS PATIO COVER AND BUILD A CARPORT, BUT EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THEREFORE, THE OVERALL CARPORT, BECAUSE THEY'RE JOINT, UM, IN THE APPEARANCES AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET ALL THE NECESSARY VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION IF ZBA CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
SO THE UH, LAST REQUEST IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE HERE TO THE CARPORT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A THREE FOOT REDUCING THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK BY TWO FEET.
THE AREA ALREADY HAS A LOT OF, UH, LEGALLY PERMITTED CARPORTS.
THE ORANGE REPRESENTS THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROJECT.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OTHER CARPORTS THAT ARE ALREADY PRESENT IN THE AREA THAT WAS APPROVED BY CBA OR
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BY STAFF AGAIN.UM, THE REASON THAT THEY'RE COMING HERE IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UH, FIVE OTHER VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IF THEY WERE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, THEY COULD BUILD A CARPORT.
41 NOTICES WERE SENT ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN.
OPPOSED, THERE IS NOT A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION STEP DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 2 AS REQUESTED.
THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPH AT THIS TIME? YES.
HOW DEEP IS THAT CARPORT? YES SIR.
THE CARPORT ITSELF IS ACTUALLY 525 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NO, HOW, HOW LONG IS IT? HOW DEEP IS IT? RIGHT.
SO I WILL BELIEVE ON THIS SIDE THEY LISTED IT AS, SORRY, MOVE THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSE THERE.
I THINK I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
THEY'RE SAYING 24.7 FEET IN DEPTH FROM THIS EDGE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, 34 FEET ACROSS.
SO IT IS 35 FEET ACROSS IS HOW THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDING THE CARPORT? YES, IT'S THIR 18 FEET OVER HERE AND 16 FEET OVER HERE.
SO I THINK WE SAY IT'S 30 24 FOOT, THE WIDTH IS 35.
SO YOU TAKE THE 24 FOOT MEMBER
BECAUSE THEY CAN USE THE CARPORT AND THE PATIO COVER FOR, YOU KNOW, SITTING OUT IN THE PORCH AND DOING OTHER ACTIVITIES IS MY ASSUMPTION.
BUT AGAIN, UM, THE APPLICANT, IF HE'S HERE OR SHE'S HERE, CAN EXPLAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
SO WE HAVE FOUND THAT THERE IS VERY LIMITED GRASS.
AGAIN, I THINK WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THESE HOMES WERE NOT CONSTRUCTED WITH ANY GARAGES.
I LOOKED AROUND THE STREET VIEW.
MOST HOMES DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER 1940S HOME.
SO WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE IS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BUILT A DOOR OR A HERE AND THEN CONSTRUCTED LIKE A GARAGE IN THE BACK.
SO WE SAW LIKE A TURNING RADIUS.
SO I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A PAVEMENT PERMIT FOR MAJORITY OF THE FRONT COVERAGE.
HOWEVER, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT SUSPICION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE REQUEST HERE BEFORE YOU IS JUST A CAR PART.
SO NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER ONE, ARE THEY ACTUALLY GARAGES OR ARE THEY STORAGE BUILDINGS? I BELIEVE THE ONE IS ACTUAL STRUCTURE AND FOUR AND FIVE ARE KIND OF A COVERED CARPORT TYPE CANOPIES, NOT A ENCLOSED STRUCTURES.
UM, I, I DID SEE WHEN YOU GOT QUITE A FEW CALLS.
DOES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE A LOT OF OUTBUILDINGS? WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT IS A REALLY WONDERFUL QUESTION.
THAT IS WHY I EVEN LOOKED INTO THE 1940S HOUSES, BECAUSE THE HOME'S VERY SMALL.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL END UP BUILDING ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES.
SO THIS IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE EVERY NEIGHBOR HAS SOMETHING
BECAUSE IF YOU, WELL, YEAH, RIGHT.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE HERE IF THIS IS THE NORM FOR THEM.
THAT MANY OUT BUILDINGS PER US.
I KNOW IT DOES AFFECT DRAINAGE
UM, THE COEFFICIENT IS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS UM, THEY SAID WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, TYPICALLY YOU DON'T WANNA EXCEED 50%.
SO IF THEY KEEP MOST OF THE REAR YARD OPEN, I THINK, UH, FRONT YARD IT IS, WE, WE JUST DON'T WANT, WANT EVERY HOUSE TO COVER UP THEIR FRONT YARD.
BUT I THINK JUST ONE HOUSE HAVING MORE THAN, UM, MORE PAVEMENT DOES NOT, THE IMPACT IS NOT AS GREAT AS TO INCREASE THE AND THE FALL, THE LOT TO THE LEFT.
TO THE, WHAT I THINK IS THE WEST? YES.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S AN EMPTY LOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS? OKAY.
UM, VICTOR REYES, COME ON DOWN.
TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT IT.
YES, MY NAME IS VICTOR REYES AND MY ADDRESS IS 28 0 9 MCPHERSON LANE.
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FLOWER MAN, TEXAS.UH, ARE YOU THE CONTRACTOR OR I AM THE CON, UH, I AM THE CONTRACTOR BUT IT'S NOT THIS PROPERTY.
WE NOT COME FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ONE MORE TIME? IT'S FOR ANOTHER CASE.
OH, IT'S, OH, THIS IS FOR ADAM FIVE.
WELL, NO, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO TO DO WITH THAT ONE.
I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR FOUR THEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE ON FOR FOUR THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOUR? ALRIGHT.
WE DO NOT HAVE A SPEAKER FOR FOUR.
SO, MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, ANY FOR, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JUNE? ALL RIGHT.
UH, JUNE, YOU, YOU SAID THAT THE STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT.
THIS MAKES LIKE WHAT, FIVE BUILDINGS ON THIS LITTLE TINY PROPERTY? UH, WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO DECIDING IT'S OKAY, RIGHT, FROM YOUR STANDPOINT? YES, SIR.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THE CHANCES THAT ZBA STAFF CAN SUPPORT A REQUEST.
HOWEVER, FOR A DENIAL STAFF PROBABLY TRY TO RELY ON IS IT TRULY HINDERING US PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER ISSUES.
THAT'S, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AS SOMETIMES PNZ AS WHAT COUNCIL, THAT WE CAN SAY WE SUPPORT
IT'S JUST THAT, UM, WE TRY TO SEE, HEY, UH, IS THIS TRULY A PUBLIC HARM? AND THEN WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO OPPOSE AND PROVIDE A REASON.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT BECAUSE PEOPLE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE TRUE HARDSHIPS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THEIR PROPERTIES.
WELL, MOST OF 'EM ARE, ARE SELF-CREATED.
I MEAN, IF THEY COULD'VE GONE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANNA HAVE A, WHAT IS THE STREET SETBACK? UH, THEY WANT FIVE FOOT INSTEAD OF THREE FOOT, AND IF THEY MAKE IT TWO FOOT SHORTER, IT'S 24 FOOT AND THEN MAKE IT 22 FOOT LONG.
I MEAN, YOU COULD STILL GET, YOU KNOW, A CAR IN THERE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM ACTUALLY, IF I'M, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS PARTIALLY RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES AND THE SQUARE FOOT AREA.
AND THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER HOUSES IT LOOKS LIKE MM-HMM
IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE A LOT OF STRUCTURES MM-HMM
BUT WHERE, I MEAN WHERE I'M HAVING A PROBLEM IS, IS THE ENCROACHMENT ON THE STREET MM-HMM
AND NOW IF THEY STAYED WITH, YOU KNOW, TWO FOOT SHORTER MM-HMM
THEN THAT PROBABLY CUTS OUT NOT ONLY THE OVER OVERSIZE MM-HMM
BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE ONLY ON, THEY'RE WITHIN THAT 500 SQUARE FOOT ZONE MM-HMM
AND NOW THEY'RE ALSO NOT HAVING TO GET THE VARIANCE FOR THE, THE LENGTH.
SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY, YOU ARE CORRECT IN THE FACT THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY VARIANCES FOR THE CARPORT.
HOWEVER, UH, CITY STAFF WILL NOT GIVE THEM A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE WHAT IS EXISTING WE CANNOT REALLY SPEAK ON.
BUT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO, UM, INTENSIFY THEIR NONCONFORMITY BY ADDING ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
BUT WHAT I'M I'M SAYING IS SOME IS SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION MM-HMM
TO PASS WITH THIS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IT ONLY BEING 22 FOOT OR STAYING WITH A FIVE FOOT EASEMENT ON THE FRONT AND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE PASSING AND THAT.
AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD MAKE, THEY, THEY COULD MAKE THAT MOTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO SWALLOW IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD DESIRES.
UH, WE DID HAVE MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS IN THE PAST AND WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT.
BUT I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF MEETING, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA DISCUSS HOW, IF EVERYBODY'S ACTUALLY, UH, ON BOARD WITH THE REQUEST FIRST.
BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, UM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT REDUCING IT YEAH.
REDUCE IF THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO DO IT AT ALL BECAUSE THAT THIS EXCEEDS THAT MANY, RIGHT.
WHEN THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE THAT MANY.
SO ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE 24.7 FEET, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT IS.
IF THERE WERE TO CHOP THAT OFF TWO FEET, THAT WILL END UP WITH 22 FEET.
THAT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT THE SIZE OF A CAR THAT NEEDS TO, IF YOU LOOK AT REGULAR PARKING SPACES, TYPICALLY ABOUT EIGHT, UH, NINE BY 18.
SO THAT 22 FEET, YOU KNOW, WILL PROBABLY JUST ABOUT COVER THE CAR.
SO AGAIN, UM, I GUESS MAYBE YOU GUYS DISCUSS A FEW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND WE CAN CONSIDER A
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MOTION.UM, ARE THEY HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT ALREADY STARTING TO BUILD? UM, WE TYPICALLY AARON WILL INCLUDE THAT IN THE REATION.
I DID NOT SEE THAT INFORMATION.
'CAUSE WELL OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE STARTING TO BUILD.
BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE STRUCTURE IS HALFWAY BUILT.
USUALLY IF WE CAN FIND A ZONING CA ZBA CODE VIOLATION CASES, WE'LL TRY TO RECORD IT.
IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY JUST RECENTLY SWITCHED THE SYSTEM TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, SO AARON WAS NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY IT.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU AND THE OWNER AND THE OWNER IS NOT HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE AND THEY'RE BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF TABLING AND ALLOWING THE OWNER TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH, SO IN THE PAST WITH CBA UNLESS THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT ACTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY CAN ALWAYS, SO WITH THE CBA, UM, IF THEY'RE DENIED THEY HAVE TO I THINK, WAIT SIX MONTH OR YEAR BEFORE THEY CAN COME BACK SIX MONTHS.
BUT AGAIN, AS, UM, MR. DAVID BAKER POINTED OUT IF THEY COM INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE CARPORT AT LEAST THEY CAN TRY TO COME BACK TO REQUEST VARIANCES AND ALL OTHER ITEMS, WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND OVERALL SIZE OF ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES COMBINED.
IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO WHERE IT SAYS YOU, YOU FOLKS DO NOT OBJECT.
DOES THAT TO SAY YOU'RE NOT DENYING IT.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T OBJECT OR OBJECT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD APPROVE IT.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T OBJECT.
IF IT WAS A UNIQUE HARDSHIP, WHICH RARELY HAPPENS, UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT MOST OF THE ZBA CASES THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, WE SOMETIMES WILL SAY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, OR WE WILL AT LEAST RECORD ON OUR STAFF REPORT THAT THERE IS A UNIQUE HARDSHIP THAT'S NOT SELF-CREATED.
THE REASON THAT STAFF HAS TRADITIONALLY TAKEN THIS POSITION IS BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE CANNOT SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? ARE THERE SOME CASES WHERE STAFF IS BOTH? YES.
AGAIN, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, BUT I RECALL ONE OF THE CASES, UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BACK IN THE 2018 OR 19, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT WE USED TO HAVE A LOT MORE.
I THINK ONE OF THE AREA, THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO BUILD A HOME, BUT WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER THAT'S IN PRESENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT CITY SERVE SYSTEM, BUT A NATURAL, WELL IN A SEPTIC.
SO THERE ARE VERY RARELY CASES THAT WE WILL SAY, WE'LL OPPOSE.
OR IF THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT IT WILL TRULY, UM, ENCROACH UPON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS, THEN WE'LL TRY TO NOTE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? AND I'LL ADD TO THAT, THAT THEY LOOK AT IT AS FACTORS.
SO USUALLY THEY AT LEAST MEET ONE FACTOR.
SO THEY SAY DON'T OPPOSE, AND IF THEY SAY WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT, IT MEANS THEY MET NONE OF THE FACTORS.
SO IT'S KIND OF A SCALE OF THINGS THEY LOOK AT.
IN THIS CASE, I'LL, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, UH, YES, I LIKE YOUR APPROVED WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THEY CAN SET IT BACK SO IT DOESN'T, I DUNNO.
I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION FROM, UH, DISTRICT LAW.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ENCLO EBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 2 WITH ANY EXCEPTIONS.
UH, WHAT WAS THE EXCEPTION WAS IT WOULD, WOULD YOU MAKE LIKE TO MAKE THE EXCEPTION WITH THE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF UH, FIVE FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF A THREE FOOT SETBACK? YEAH.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FIVE FOOT SETBACK EXCEPT A THREE FOOT.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
SO MOTION FAILS, MOTION FAILS.
UM, ALL THOSE, JUST TO MAKE ALL THOSE.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO, MAY HAVE A MOTION OF AGAINST A WHAT I WANT A MOTION AGAINST, I WANT A MOTION AGAINST THE, THE, ALL THOSE AGAINST.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR US TO PUT OUR, I WANT A HANDS UP FOR MOTION AGAINST MOTION.
OH, TO VOTE OF, VOTE FOR HANDS UP.
BOTH FOUR WITH THE, YEAH, WITH, WITH THE A WITH THE AMENDMENT.
WITH THE AMENDMENT OF TWO THREE.
WITH THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK MOTION.
WITH THE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT TO
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A FIVE FOOT SETBACK.SO THAT'S ALL VOTES ARE ACCOUNTED FOR.
SO THE MOTION, MOTION FAILS, FAILS.
UH, UH DO WE MOTION FAILS? FIVE TO FOUR.
ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO APPROVE WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS? OKAY.
BECAUSE THE WITHOUT CONDITION WILL BE AS IS AS PRESENTED.
YEAH, NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S IN FAVOR OF THAT.
[5. ZBA-26-03-0013 (Council District 5) - Variance to the side yard setback for a primary structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 438 N M L King Jr Boulevard, legally described as Lot 20, Block 163 (identified as Parcel I.D. 28052501630200000), Dalworth Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Four (SF-4) District]
MOVING ON.ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 3.
VARIANCE TO SOCIETY YARD SETBACK.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 4 38 NORTH, UM, MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.
IT IS CURRENTLY OWNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND IS REQUESTING ONE VARIANCE TO THE SIDE OR SETBACKS.
SO BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PAGE, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU, UM, THIS STREET HERE, UM, DID NOT CONTINUE ALL THE WAY, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A, SOME TYPE OF INDICATION THAT WHEN THE LOTS WERE ORIGINALLY SUBDIVIDED THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN INTENT TO CONTINUE THE STREET.
UM, JUST FOR YOUR BACKGROUND, THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO TO THIS AREA.
UM, AS YOU MAY ARE AWARE, UH, AS YOU MIGHT BE AWARE, DOUT PARK WAS SUBDIVIDED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO AND SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THAT, THAT GRAPHIC DID NOT BUILD OR SOMETIMES BUILT IN DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
UM, WE ARE NOT SURE, UM, WE HAVE CITY HAS NOT ABANDONED THAT RIGHT OF WAY AS OF YET, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE IF CITY INTENDS ON EXTENDING THAT OR NOT, BUT THE CITY OWNS IT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, SO AGAIN, I'M SO SORRY, I JUST ROTATED THE AERIAL.
UM, JUST SO THAT IT MATCHES THE SITE PLANS AS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING, SO THIS IS NORTH, THE STREET IS TO THE NORTH.
THE PLAN SOUTH HERE IS THE NORTH.
I TRY TO FLIP IN THIS IMAGE, BUT ALL THE WORDS WERE BACKWARDS, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PROPERTY WILL BE FACING, UM, MLK BOULEVARD HERE TO UM, AND THEN THEY, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A SIDE YARD SETBACK REDUCTION ON THIS SIDE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO THE REQUIRE SETBACK TYPICALLY IS 15 FEET ON THE SIDE.
THAT TYPICALLY ALLOWS A UTILITY EASEMENT TO BE PLACED THERE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES UTILITY EASEMENT WILL BE LOCATED ALL ALONG THE EXISTING STREET.
ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN.
OPPOSED, THERE IS NOT ANY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN THIS LOCATION.
STEP DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 3 AS REQUESTED.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES STEP PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STEP AT THIS TIME MR. BAKER? JUST TO CONFIRM MM-HMM
WAS AT THE TOP, IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SO THIS AREA OF VARIANCE MM-HMM
LET'S SAY WORST CASE SCENARIO MM-HMM
THE CITY DOES DECIDE TO BUILD A YES MA'AM.
IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING THAT THE CITY MIGHT DO? SO ONLY THINGS, NO, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES NECESSARILY.
UM, BUT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO DEDICATE 15 FOR UTILITY EASEMENT WERE REQUIRED.
THAT'S USUALLY WHY THAT 15 FOOT STREET SITE ARE, BECAUSE THERE IS THE BIGGEST THERE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, SOMETIMES THAT DOES ALLOW SOME ROOM FOR VISIBILITY AS WELL.
AGAIN, WHERE IS THAT EASEMENT? I'M SORRY.
WHERE IS THAT LINE NOW? OR IS THERE A LINE IN THERE YET? THERE IS NOT A LINE RIGHT NOW.
AND THE, AND THE POWER COMPANY COMES IN MM-HMM
AND THEN THE CITY COMES IN TO EXTEND THAT STREET OUT MM-HMM
IS IT GOING TO, WILL THE BURDEN FALL ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE THOSE LINES MOVED? RIGHT.
SO, SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO I'LL TRY TO BEST EXPLAIN THIS AREA.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY I WISH THE AREA SHOWED MORE AREAS.
SO THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES ALONG HERE, NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, BUT THE STREET NEXT AND THE ONE NEXT, WHEN THEY ARE DEDICATING NEW RIGHT OF WAY, WE REQUIRE THEM TO DEDICATE 15 FOOT UTIL EASEMENT IN THE FRONT.
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'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY WHERE ENCORE AND THEN EVERYONE LIKES TO USE THAT, UM, RIGHT.SO YES, THERE IS A POTENTIAL, THE CITY BILLS A ROAD THROUGH THERE AND THEN THIS, THE ENCORE SAYS, HEY, WE WANT 15 FOOT UTIL EASEMENT.
SO THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN A MUCH BIGGER SCALE THAN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SOMETIMES WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO IS REACH OUT TO THE ENCORE AND OTHER FRANCHISE UTILITIES AND SAY, DO YOU REALLY INTEND ON USING THIS? OR CAN I GET A, A REDUCTION OF YOUR RIGHTS TO THE EASEMENT? WE HAVE HAD THAT APPROVED ON SOME OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, FRONTAGES ON THREE SIDES
THEY'LL USUALLY TRY TO GO TO THE ENCORE AND SAY, HEY, WE'LL PROVIDE UTIL AND THEN TWO SIDES.
BUT CAN WE JUST GET A RELIEF ON THE OTHER SIDE? SO AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE EVEN NEEDED.
SEE THE HOUSE THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF IT MM-HMM
ARE THEY 15 FEET OFF THE FENCE OFF THE PROPERTY? WE DO NOT KNOW.
AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF THEY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN'T MEASURE IT.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE SITE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A PROPERTY LINE ON THE SURFACE.
AND I, AS I MENTIONED, AERIALS DON'T ALWAYS LINE UP THE EXACTLY BECAUSE IT'S A OVERLAP OF SATELLITE IMAGES.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE AT THIS TIME.
SO SORRY BECAUSE I WOULD SURE HATE TO MM-HMM
HANDICAP THE CITY WITH A SEWAGE OR A MM-HMM
POWER LINE THAT HAS TO COME THROUGH THERE UNDERGROUND.
SO ALL WATER AND SEW IS ALONG THE MLK.
SO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS, SO AGAIN YOU HAVE TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE OLDER POWER LINES THAT USED TO BE OVERLAY UTILITY LINES.
UH, THEY'RE ALL NOW MOSTLY TRANSITIONING TO UNDERGROUND AND THEY USUALLY LIKE TO BE WITHIN THAT FIRST 15 FOOT OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE STREET.
AND IS THIS JUST BECAUSE THE, I'M SORRY.
IS THIS JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOME THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THERE THAT THEY WANT THIS VARIANCE? NO, IT'S JUST THAT THEY ARE NEXT TO A STREET THAT'S NOT EXISTING.
THERE'S THE STREET HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
WE STILL OWN THAT AS A RIGHT OF WAY SINCE IT IS STILL A STREET RIGHT OF WAY, WE STILL HAVE TO APPLY THE 15 FOOT, UH, SETBACK BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED AND IT IS PART PART OF THE STREET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, UH, VICTOR, NOW COME ON DOWN AND UH, TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS CASE.
AGAIN, UH, MY NAME IS VICTOR REYES AND I AM THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE, FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS.
AND WE DECIDE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND THIS STREET.
REALLY, I DRIVE ALMOST EVERY DAY IN THIS STREET.
YOU SEE ONLY A CREEK BECAUSE ALL THE WATER TO CHESTER STREET, MAYBE IT GOT THE, YOU CALL IT STREET, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE STREET.
THIS IS A, IT IS SMALL CREEK IN THERE AND THE ALL THE POWER, IT GOT TWO WAY TO DO IT.
WHO ASKING FOR THE UTILITY? YOU.
UTILITY HAS TO BE TWO CHOICE B IN THE AIR OR ON THE GROUND.
AND ALL UTILITY BE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
WE DID, WE ASK HIM, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACK OVER HERE BECAUSE D TREES, BACON FOR 40, 50, 50 YEARS AGO, THE STREET, THE CITY GRAND PRAIRIE GOT A BUNCH OF THESE HOUSES, THIS STREET LIKE THAT IN THE WHOLE AREA IS NOT DUE ANYMORE.
I DON'T KNOW FOR WHAT REASON, BUT GOT A LOT OF OLD STREET CITY.
GRAND PRAIRIE IS NOT CONTINUE DOING.
AND THIS CASE IS PRETTY BEST SPOT OVER THERE.
I CLEAN IT OUT FOR 10 YEARS 'CAUSE THE CITY IS NOT DO IT, HAVE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE I LIKE TO SEE MY PROPERTY BEAUTIFUL AND CLEAN.
AND WHILE SUBMIT THE PERMIT, THEY PLAN FOR THE HOUSE.
SAY, OH, YOU GOT A STREET OVER HERE, SAY SHOW ME WHERE IS THE STREET BECAUSE I'M NOT, I USE GLASSES, BUT WE NOT BLIND SAY I DON'T SEE THE ONLY WE CAN SEE ANYBODY SEES A SMALL CRICKET OVER THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT HELP ME TO CLEAN, UH,
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THE STONE DRAIN BECAUSE ABOUT FOR OVER TIME ON THE GROUND AND THE STREET COMING TO A STORM DRAINING.THIS IS WHAT I HAVE OVER THERE.
I HAVE A BIG STORM DRAINING TO CATCH ALL THE WATER.
AND THEN WE TALK TO THOSE GUYS AND DO A BIG FAVOR TO CLEAN IT OUT OVER THERE AND DO A LITTLE WORK OVER THERE.
THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THE WATER RUN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, BECAUSE BEFORE AND THIS STREET IN THE CHESTER, IT GOT A LITTLE POUND OVER THERE, POUND ONE SIDE AND POUND THE OTHER SIDE SAY WE NEED FIX THIS THING, YOU KNOW, AND HE FIX THIS CREEK, BUT IT, IT'S NOT CREEK IT'S A STREET.
IT LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, IT IS NOT IN THE STREET OVER HERE,
BUT ANYWAY, WE GOING FIX IT OUT.
WE ASKING FOR THIS BEARING AND I BE, AND IT IT PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD AREA TO BUILD.
I BUILDING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR HOUSES IN THE SAME STREET AND THE WHOLE AREA IS CHANGED.
NOW I HAVE THE ONLY LOT IN THE SAME SIDE.
WE LIKE TO PLAN, MAKE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE AND THE WHOLE, YOU GIVE THE CHANCE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE.
UH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN, VICTOR.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO.
NOW WE'VE HEARD FROM VICTOR HERE AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S READY TO BUILD A HOUSE.
UH, AND THE CITY IS, IS GIVEN THE SAID THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION.
JUNE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I DID NOT.
I TAKE HERE, UH, WHAT ZONE, WHAT, WHAT DISTRICT FIVE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 26 0 3.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A, A MOTION FROM J FROM CJ.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND RIGHT HERE.
AND SO WE HAVE AN MOTION AND A A SECOND FROM, UH, SHERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED RAISE YOUR LEFT HAND.
SO WE, WE ARE APPROVED EIGHT TO ONE.
[6. ZBA-26-03-0014 (Council District 5) – Special Exception for a front yard carport and variances to the maximum area of all accessory structures, to the maximum area for a front yard carport, and to the front and side yard setbacks for a front yard carport permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 1129 Indian Hills Drive, legally described as Lot 3, Block 3, Indian Hills Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Four (SF-4) District]
CASE PLEASE.ALRIGHT, THE NEXT CASE IS THE ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A ZBA 2 6 0 3 0 0 1 4.
THIS IS A SPECT EXCEPTION IN VARIANCES FOR A FRONT YARD CARPORT LOCATED AT 1129 INDIAN HILLS DRIVE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE IN THE INDIAN HILLS DRIVE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY ZONES FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
THEY WISH TO BUILD A FRONT YARD CARPORT AND REQUESTING FOUR ADDITIONAL VARIANCES ALONG WITH IT.
SO THE CARPORT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ABOUT 997 SQUARE FEET AND THERE ARE NOT WITHIN A 800 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HERE.
SO THERE ARE SOME CARPORTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOODS, HOWEVER, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY NEED THAT WE LEGALLY PERMITTED ON THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND, UM, THEY ACTUALLY FALL OUTSIDE OF THE 800 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH FALLS ABOUT KIND OF HERE.
SO THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BUILD A CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE HOME AND, UM, WHAT THE TOTAL AREA OF ACCESS RESTRUCTURES ALLOWED COMBINED IS 7 91.
THEY'RE REQUESTING 9, 9 7, WHICH WILL BE MORE CLEAR ON THE NEXT PICTURE.
SO THERE'S AN EXISTING HOME WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE.
UH, THEY DO HAVE SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE BACK.
WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A 625 SQUARE FEET CARPORT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A, UH, ONE FOOT FROM THE FRONT AND ONE FOOT FROM THE SIDE.
AGAIN, UM, COMBINING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WILL PUT THEM AROUND AT 997 FEET.
FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WE HAVE SENT 43 NOTICES.
ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED OPPOSED.
AND THERE IS NOT A HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, THIS DO NOT AGREE
ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? UH, YEAH.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DEATH OF THIS? YES.
SO IT IS CALLED OUT HERE, SO SORRY.
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YEAH.WE HAVE AN APPLICANT CARD HERE, UM, AMANDA AND ROLAND.
AND TO, UH, TORINO YES, WE'RE THE APPLICANT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO DO THE, THE CARD.
WELL, IF Y'ALL EACH ONE WANNA SPEAK, PROBABLY NEED AN INDIVIDUAL CARD.
BUT, UH, IF Y'ALL WANNA COME DOWN TOGETHER, UH, THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU, IF YOU BOTH WANNA SPEAK, UH, TAKE TURNS AND JUST, UH, ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME, WHO AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
I'M, UH, ROLANDO TREVINO AND WE LIVE ON 1129 INDIAN HILLS DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS.
IT IS 25 FOOT IN LENGTH AND THEN 2020 FOOT WIDE.
AND MAINLY IT'S JUST TO PREVENT FROM HAIL DAMAGE FOR OUR VEHICLES.
AND THEN SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR WE'RE GETTING HELL NOW MORE FREQUENTLY.
SO 25 FOOT, DID YOU, DID YOU SAY 25 BY 20? MM-HMM
ISN'T THAT 500 SQUARE FEET? MM-HMM
YES, IT'S, IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, IT SAYS REQUESTED 625.
YEAH, IT'S, I CAN'T EVEN DO IT THAT WIDE.
THERE'S A BIG TREE RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE A VARIANCE ON THAT P PORTION OF IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY BEAT THE, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO REDUCE THE SIZE TO 500 SQUARE FEET, UM, THEN THEY DO NOT NEED ONE.
AGAIN, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THEY, THEIR APPLICATION INDICATED 625.
IF WE DO NOT GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE, THEY WILL HAVE TO KEEP THE SIZE AT 500.
AND SO ALL THEY'RE NEEDING THE VARIANCE FOR IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UH, TOO MANY STRUCTURES OR THEY ARE NOT WITHIN THE BUFFER.
AND ALSO THEY'RE REQUESTING FRONT YARD AND SIDERS EFFECT REDUCTION.
THEY ONLY WANNA PROVIDE ONE FOOT ON THE FRONT ONE FOR ON THE SIDE.
SO THE ONE FOOT, SO IS IT, IS IT, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A ONE FOOT SETBACK ON THE FRONT AND SIDE? YES.
OR IS THAT BECAUSE, IS THAT BECAUSE OF IT WAS LARGER THAN THAT? OR AT THE 25 BY 20? IS IT SMALLER ENOUGH THAT YOU DON'T NEED THAT? I, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I WAS MAINLY JUST TRYING TO DO IT WITH THE, TO MATCH THE DRIVEWAY SO IT LOOKS BETTER.
BUT HOW FAR IS IT FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS ON THIS? THE SETBACK WE'RE GONNA DO, ACTUALLY IT WAS GONNA BE THREE, LIKE THREE FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S THREE FEET FROM THE FRONT ABOUT, OKAY, SO IT MEETS THE FRONT LINE.
UH, THREE FEET FROM THE STRUCTURE TO SIDEWALK, NOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I BELIEVE, UH, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES THAT THEIR REQUESTED FRONT YARD IS ACTUALLY ONE FEET.
SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SIDEWALK IS TYPICALLY AN HOUR RIGHT OF WAY ON, NOT ON PERSONAL PROPERTIES.
HOWEVER, NOT EVERY RESIDENT KNOWS THAT.
SO SOMETIMES THEY'LL MEASURE IT FROM THE NEAREST HARD SURFACE.
SO, UM, AARON, BASED ON HER RESEARCH SAYS WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ONLY PROVIDES IN ONE FOOT SIDE, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK.
WELL, HE SAYS HE WANTS THREE FOOT, WHICH IS FROM THREE FOOT FROM THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S EITHER INCORRECT OR, SO WHAT ERIN DOES IS SHE WILL AT THE SURVEY AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE BUILDING SET BACK AND TRY TO MEASURE THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
SO EVEN IF IT'S ONE FOOT SIX FEET, SHE WILL GIVE THEM ONE FOOT JUST SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR INCHES.
AREN, WERE CLOSE TO ONE FOOT SIX INCHES OR WHATEVER.
THEY'RE REQUESTING ONE FOOT FRONT YARD.
IF I COULD HAVE ONE FOOT, THAT'D BE GOOD.
BUT
UNDERSTAND, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
AND HE IS, BUT HE IS SAYING HE'S, HE'S, HE'S THREE FOOT OFF.
SO TYPICALLY THERE'S A FOOT OR A FOOT AND A HALF BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND A PROPERTY LINE.
SO USUALLY SIDEWALK, GRASS, PROPERTY LINE AND GRASS, WE USUALLY ASK THE SIDEWALKS TO BE PUT OUTSIDE AT LEAST OF FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE GRASS IN BETWEEN.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY? TYPICALLY.
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HOW EXACTLY IT IS HERE.THAT'S THE TYPICAL IF THERE WERE MODERN DAY DEVELOPMENT, BUT AGAIN, THIS HOME WAS BUILT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
SO ALTHOUGH APPLICANT MEASURED FROM THE SIDEWALK, AARON, WHEN SHE WRITES THIS STEP REPORT DOES A MORE ACCURATE MEASUREMENT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE BEST SETBACK THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE DESIRE SIDE STRUCTURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? YES MA'AM.
HIS MEASUREMENT IS FRONT IS SHOWING THREE FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK, BUT THE PROPERTY LINE ROSE IN BETWEEN THAT.
ACTUAL PROPERTY IS, HAVE A QUESTION, HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY BEEN TO THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CITY? YES.
AARON ALWAYS DOES THE SITE VISITS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE EVERYTHING RIGHT? SOMEHOW SAY, WELL, THE CONFUSION WAS I GUESS THE PROPERTY LINE.
I'M THREE FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK.
WHEN, WHEN SHE'S EXPLAINED IT MORE, IT MAKES SENSE.
I GUESS MY PROPERTY LINE, INVISIBLE LINES HERE, AND THEN SHE SAID A FOOT FROM THERE.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONFUSION, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS THING BEING NOT 6 25, BUT 500.
IT'S, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, TABLING THIS AND RE SUBMITTING THIS SO THAT WE HAVE THIS RIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW WITH TRYING TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME VARIANCE IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT THE CITY IS, WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING.
UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M WHAT SAYING IF, IF WE TAKE THIS ONE MONTH, COME BACK NEXT MONTH, BRING IT BACK TO US, GET WITH THE CITY, GET ALL ALL THE DUCKS IN A ROW, MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT OUR MEASUREMENTS RIGHT, MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT OUR, OUR OFFSETS RIGHT AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER FOR YOU.
AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY UNDERST UNDERSTANDS IT'S CLEAR AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE DRUM UP SOME NEIGHBORS AND SAY, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAY IT'S ALL CLEAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE CITY UNDERSTAND IT.
YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TOO VARIANCE.
SO ACTUALLY I DID THE MATH AGAIN.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 25 FEET BY 25 FEET AND THAT'S HOW THEY NOTED IT IN THEIR DRAWING BECAUSE UM, THEY'RE SAYING THE WIDTH IS 25 FEET, THE DEPTH IS 25 FEET, THEY JUST BASED IT OFF OF THE BEAM SIZES.
THIS IS A, JUST SO THAT Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A LEGALLY BINDING THING FOR US, AND IF WE DENY IT, THEN THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR YOU.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, YOU HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS.
YOU'VE GOT NINE PEOPLE HERE, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO, AND YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE CITY GETTING PERMITTED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OFFSETS AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY AND, AND WHOLE WITH IT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE HAIL OF TEXAS, WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE OF IT AND I'M OKAY WITH THIS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE, WE'LL LET YOUR WIFE TALK AND THEN WE CAN SIT OUT AND GO AND VOTE ON IT.
OR WE CAN TABLE IT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR OFFSETS RIGHT.
WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO DO, KEEP IN MIND YOU, ONE MONTH CAN ADD ON TO THEIR, CAUSE IF THEY ALREADY PLACED THE ORDER AND EVERYTHING.
SO JUST, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK ON THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE READY TO ROLL, I THINK WE'RE READY TO ROLL.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UP TO ALL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO WHATEVER Y'ALL JUST TO APPROVE IT.
IT'S JUST, WELL, WE GOT NOTHING TO KEEP FROM, SO IT'S, WE WILL HAVE TO MM-HMM
SEE WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? NO SIR.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HILLARY.
THE QUESTION IS, IS YOU KNOW, NOBODY KNOWS HOW ANYBODY'S GONNA VOTE.
AND, UM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE APPLICANT TO KNOW IF IT'S GONNA PASS OR NOT, BUT WITHOUT VOTING CAN, UH, THOSE OF US WHO ARE COMFORTABLE SAYING WHICH WAY THEY'RE LEANING, IS THAT, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO? I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE
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YOU'RE KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS.YOU CAN HAVE KIND OF AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT, I'M, I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
INFORMALLY, I DON'T LIKE SO MUCH THE LACK OF THE ADEQUATE SETBACK.
AND ON A PREVIOUS ONE WE HAD THE CAVEAT LIKE, WE CAN APPROVE THIS WITH AN ADEQUATE SETBACK AND THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE TO ME.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THIS PRESENTED.
WELL BY THE CITY OR BY, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT.
WITH YOUR, UM, CONSIDERATIONS OF, OF, OF THE SETBACKS.
NOW HERE, HERE, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE'D LIKE TO THROW OUT TO YOU.
UH, WHAT WOULD, WHAT IF WE WENT WITH A, UH, INSTEAD OF 25 FOOT WENT WITH A 24 FOOT GO WITH A TWO FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF A ONE FOOT SETBACK? COULD YOU LIVE WITH THAT? OH YES.
MY VEHICLE'S THINK 19 AND A HALF FEET LONG.
SO JUST AS LONG AS IT COVERS FROM THE HELL AND THAT'S THE MEAN.
YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YOU GOOD WITH THAT? HE'S GOOD WITH THAT.
SETBACK IS A TWO FOOT SETBACK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 26 3 0 0 1 4 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A TWO FOOT SETBACK.
WON'T THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE CHANGING IT 25, 24 FEET? YES, BUT LIKE, WE MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THEM.
WE CAN'T JUST MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
WELL, AND THAT CHANGES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND SO WITH, WITH THE SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WOULD BE 600 SQUARE FEET.
UH, NOW IS THIS IN THIS NUMBER? IS THIS SIX OR SEVEN? SIX.
JUST SO WE'RE GONNA DO FRONT YARD SETBACK AT TWO FEET, TWO FOOT, TWO FOOT INSTEAD OF ONE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? IS IT GONNA BE TWO FEET AS WELL? WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW ALL THE CONDITIONS.
SO IS IT, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANTED IT AT TWO FEET INSTEAD OF ONE FOR BOTH OR JUST I WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE FRONT.
OKAY, SO JUST PRIOR AND BASED ON WHAT I HEARD THERE, THEN I WOULD TRY TO SECOND THIS MOTION.
UH, UH, WE'RE STAYING WITH THE UH, ONE FOOT SET BACK IN THE FRONT.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND RIGHT HERE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION ALL THOSE AGAINST.
THANK Y GOTTA GET IT BEFORE THE HELL COMES.
AND NOW I WAS ALREADY FEELING LIKE I WAS ALREADY BEHIND AND ALL PERSON.
[7. ZBA-26-03-0015 (Council District 3) – Variance to the front yard setback for a primary structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 1822 Armstead Ave., legally described as Lots 1, 2, and 6A, Block 8, Mountain Lakeview Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoning Single Family-Six (SF-6) District]
NUMBER SEVEN.ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 5.
THIS IS AGREEANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SUSPECT.
SO YOU GUYS MAY RECALL, WE CONSIDER THIS CASE BACK IN JANUARY.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE ZONE CHANGE.
THEY CAME BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET SOME OF THE UH, MINIMUM LOT WITH
WHILE THEY'RE APPLYING FOR BUILDING PERMIT, THEY REALIZED WELL ACTUALLY WE ARE ALSO NOT MEETING THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD BECAUSE AS WE'VE KIND OF CONTINUED TO DISCUSS ABOUT CORNER LOTS
SO THEY HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG LAKE SHORE DRIVE AND THEY ALSO HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG ARMSTEAD DRIVE.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT TO 15 FEET, WHICH WILL BE A TYPICAL SIDE SUSPECT REQUIRED ALONG A SIDE THAT'S FACING A STREET.
SO 72 NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR TO RETURN OPPOSE, AND THERE IS NOT A HOMEOWNER'S AS ASSOCIATION.
THE OPPOSITION FROM THE 1810 TO THE SOUTH DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
THE OPPOSITION FROM FIF, OH, SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE OPPOSITION FROM 1805 SAID WE ALREADY HAVE PARKING ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET IS BEING RENTED.
LIKE, UH, LIKE APARTMENTS WHEN WE HAVE COMPANY, THEY HAVE NO, UH, WAY TO FIND PARKING SOMETIMES EVEN ON MY LAWN.
SO I THINK THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF A GENERAL COMMENT OVER THIS AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST SAYING, HEY, WE JUST HAVE PEOPLE WITH TOO MANY CARS.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING
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SPACES.AGAIN, UM, STEPH DOES NOT BELIEVE REDUCTION OF A SIDE YARD NECESSARILY
AGAIN, STEPH DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE ZBA 26 0 3 0 0 1 5 AS REQUESTED AS THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO, UH, CONSTRUCT A PROPOSAL AS LAID OUT AS SHOWN.
THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY, UH, APPLICANT HERE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANY QUESTIONS TO WRAP
I WANT TO, I KIND OF WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THEM TO DO SOMETHING, THEN THEY REALIZE THEY HAD THIS OTHER THING GOING ON THAT THEY MISSED BACK.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A ON ARMSTEAD RIGHT HERE MM-HMM
WHERE THAT SETBACK IS, THEY'RE GONNA POSSIBLY PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE THERE AND THAT IS GOING TO HINDER POSSIBLY SIGHT THE, THE WAY THEY CAN SEE 'EM THERE.
SO AGAIN, REMEMBER THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD.
RIGHT? SO FROM THE FRONT YARD, LIKE FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, THEY CANNOT HAVE THAT THE FIRST 50 FEET.
THEY CANNOT HAVE A CIDER FENCE.
YEAH, FROM THE LAKE SHORE, THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK 50 FEET.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA ITEM NUMBER 26 0 3 0 0 1 5 AND APPROVE SECOND.
YEAH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND FOR AMANDA COCA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE AGAINST, UH, MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND UH, WE HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE, COMMENTS? IT LOOKS KIND OF BLEAK OUT THERE, SO I GUESS WE DON'T, GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME TONIGHT AND UH, WE DID A GREAT JOB.