* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THANK [00:00:01] YOU. WELCOME TO [Call to Order ] THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 14TH, 2026. I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALLBACK TO ORDER AT 6:32 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH. ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED. NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE ROUTINE ITEMS WHICH CAN ALL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION. HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA. INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD. THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM BEING CALLED, I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO PRESENT THE, TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE, CHERYL SMITH. HERE. TY CHAPMAN. MALCOLM CHAARI. HERE. CHRISTOPHER COLEY. FRANK GONZALEZ. HERE. JANIE MENDEZ. AKARI. HERE. VICTOR MEDINA. HERE. JENNIFER DCO. HERE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT EXCEPT FOR TY CHAPMAN AND CHRISTOPHER OLLEY. AND NOW WE WILL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER FRANK GONZALEZ. AND, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER MALCOLM ERY LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE US OF TEXAS. FLAG. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MM-HMM . HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS, SEEKING YOUR WISDOM, GUIDANCE, AND DISCERNMENT AS WE GATHER TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR ENTRUSTING US WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PLANNING FOR ITS FUTURE. LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS MEETING. MAY OUR DISCUSSIONS BE FILLED WITH WI WISDOM, FAIRNESS. INTEGRITY, HELP US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT PROMOTE HEALTH, SAFETY, PROSPERITY FOR ALL WHO CALL THIS CITY THEIR HOME. LET US BE MINDFUL OF THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS, THE WELLBEING OF OUR BUSINESSES, AND THE PRESERVATION OF OUR COMMUNITY VALUES. GRANT US CLARITY IN OUR DELIBERATIONS, UNITY AND PURPOSE AND RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER'S PERSPECTIVES. MAY WE LEAD WITH HUMILITY AND A HEART TO SERVE, ALWAYS SEEKING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY. BLESS OUR LEADERS, CITY OFFICIALS AND CITIZENS, AND WE ALL, AND MAY AND MAY, ALL THAT WE DO TODAY HERE, BE PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT. IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO, TO THE FLAG. FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE, IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS. THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY. THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM. FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF, APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT. ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING. SPEAKERS SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT APPLICABLE. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS. STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM AT THIS TIME, CITIZENS MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE DON'T HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. THE ONES WE HAVE WILL BE CALLED WHEN EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM IS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE [PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ] NEXT MATTER FOR CONSIDERATIONS APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 24TH, 2026 PNZ MEETING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYONE CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NOT ON THIS ITEM, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER FEDCO. MADAM CHAIR, MAY I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 24TH MEETING. I SECOND THERE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC CONSENT AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. [00:05:01] ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT CASE, [Items 2 & 3] PLEASE. THE ITEM NUMBER TWO AND ITEM NUMBER THREE ARE A JOINT ITEM. I'LL BE COVERING THEM BOTH TOGETHER. SO THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A COMPREHENSIVE PIPELINE AMENDMENT CPA 26 0 3 0 0 0 7. THIS IS FOR THE GOODLAND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA. UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN UP AND, UH, ALIGN THE FUTURE LINEAGE MAP WITH THE ZONING THAT IS PROPOSED. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS GENERALLY WHERE THE GOODLAND PROJECT IS LOCATED. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWN CENTER, PERRY RIDGE, THAT ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT. UM, GOODLAND. THIS IS THE AREA THAT THEY'RE COMING FOR BEFORE YOU. OUR CURRENT FUTURE LANE USE MAP SHOWS THE AREA, UM, AS MIXED RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE, UM, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UH, BASED ON THE ZONING WE ARE UPDATING TO ALL TO BUSINESS PARK, WHICH IS ALREADY A MAJORITY OF THE LAND IS DESIGNATED AS THE RC RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. THE ITEM NUMBER THREE A IS A ACCOMPANYING ZONE CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR A GOOD LAND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AGAIN, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT IS, UM, BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT IS THE 70 ACRE LOT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE, UM, THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS ACTUALLY ALREADY CONTAINED WITHIN THE EXISTING BOUNDARY. UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE THIS ADDITIONAL LAND. UM, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO MATCH THE REST OF THE DISTRICT, IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT A GAP WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AGAIN, JUST A GENERAL AERIAL VIEW, THIS IS GENERALLY THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PARCEL FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. I KNOW, UM, PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, HEY, WHAT IS GOING ON? SO AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THIS OVERALL IS ABOUT 1500 ACRES IS NOTIFIED. UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ABOUT 136 ACRES THAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR SOME OF THE DATA CENTERS IS PROPOSED. UH, FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS ACTUALLY NOT ANY PROPOSAL YET. UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN, UM, WHAT WE APPROVED WITH THIS LOAN CHANGE WAS A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. IT IS OPEN FOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AT OTHER BUSINESS COMPLEXES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT CAN BRING IN JOBS AS WELL AS ANY USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN LIGHT OF INDUSTRIAL, INCLUDING DATA CENTERS. HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME, THE ONLY PROPOSAL FOR DATA CENTER IS UP HERE. UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OTHER PROPOSAL FOR THIS AREA AS OF YET. THIS IS THEIR FIRST FOCUS FOR THIS AREA. AGAIN, WE HAVE SENT OUT 109 NOTIFICATIONS. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE OPPOSITIONS, ACTUALLY FROM OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA. I BELIEVE. UM, TWO OF THE LETTERS DID NOT CONTAIN COMMENT. THE ONE LETTER THAT YOU WERE INQUIRING ABOUT, SO SORRY, IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. IT WAS RECEIVED AFTER A PACKET WAS POSTED, WHICH SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY COUNCIL PACKET. GENERALLY, THE GENTLEMAN HAS COMPLAINED THAT THEY, HE ALREADY SEES A CONSTRUCTION NEXT TO HIS BACKYARD. HOWEVER, HE FEELS THAT HE HAS MISSED IT. IT'S, THERE'S NO POINT IN OPPOSING BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS ALREADY GOING ON. AGAIN, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IN MIDLOTHIAN. OKAY. UH, DRC REC, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION FOR THESE TWO ITEMS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? THIS IS PRETTY CLEAN. IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CLEANUP, UH, TO, BUT THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS YOU SAID THE, THE DATA CENTER. I KNOW THIS IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. YES. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IS THE FIRST STAGE IS TO DO THE DATA CENTERS? YES, MAAM. AND THEN DO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY? YES, MA'AM. SO AS YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, GENERALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA IS MORE PRESERVED FOR MORE OF A INDUSTRIAL USES BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THERE'S ALREADY WAREHOUSES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE 67 AND 2 87. UM, ALL THESE OTHER AREAS WILL BE MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND SOME COMMERCIAL AND EVEN SOME, YOU KNOW, CIVIC CENTERS AND PUBLIC PLACES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT AGAIN, RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS VERY CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. THERE ARE TAKING A PORTIONS AT A TIME. SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. ? I'M SORRY. . YEAH. I, THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN OF NOT BEING HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION. WELL, UM, THEY'VE BEEN PRESENT FOR EVERY OTHER, YEAH, THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN PRESENT. YEAH. THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR EVERY OTHER WHILE. YEAH. THIS IS THE OVERALL DEVELOPER PRO FOR PROVIDENCE. UM, AND TO JUNE'S, WHAT JUNE NOTED, SHE SAID THE INDUSTRIAL HAS STARTED. UH, IF YOU GO OUT THERE ON PRAIRIE RIDGE BOULEVARD AND GO SOUTH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT STARTED AS WELL. UM, SO THEY'RE FOCUSING ON AMENITY CENTER AND, UM, GOODLAND BOULEVARD HAS BEEN EXTENDED AS WELL, UH, TO, UH, WHICH WILL PROVIDE A CONNECTION [00:10:01] TO THE GOODLAND TOWN CENTER AREA. MM-HMM . SO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AND DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, BEING MOVED AND, UH, BEING SPENT. UH, SO I, I ENCOURAGE, UH, CITIZENS AND EVERYONE TO DRIVE DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK. SO WE GONNA HAVE A FAILED TRIP OUT THERE TOO TODAY. , I CAN'T PROMISE THAT , THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER IN YEARS PAST SO MUCH TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS. NOW THAT'S THE BUZZWORD. THAT'S A BUZZWORD. DATA CENTERS. MM-HMM . AND WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE DATA CENTER? SO, AGAIN, I THINK I KIND OF COVERED IT LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA. SO THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH OUR, UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE CONSTRUCTING WATER TOWERS, CONSTRUCTING INFRASTRUCTURES, WATER, WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, ALL THAT. BECAUSE NOT JUST THE DATA CENTER, BUT WE HAVE TO SERVE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S COMING IN. SO I KNOW THEY'RE ACTIVELY BUILDING THOSE INFRASTRUCTURES RIGHT NOW. VERY BUSY. YES. OKAY. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER CONCERNS? I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER. THE LETTER, UH, OPPOSITION LETTER. YES. UM, AND HE IS IN THE AREA, SO HE BELIEVES THAT THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AROUND HIS PROPERTY, WHICH COULD BE TRUE. I AM NOT DENYING THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DATA CENTER IS LOCATED KIND OF INTERNALLY AWAY FROM THESE PROPERTIES. HOWEVER, TO SERVE THIS AREA, THEY'RE ACTIVELY EITHER REPAIRING OR CONSTRUCTING NEW ROADWAYS. I THINK SHE'D WANNA KNOW WHERE EXACTLY WAS HIS, IS HIS HOUSE ON THAT? SO I WILL HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I THINK HE'S, MEANING HE'S PROBABLY AROUND HERE, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF SUIT LIMITS. YES. OKAY. MM-HMM . DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? YES. MM-HMM . YES, IT DOES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. JUNE. GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? UH, THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS IN THIS ITEM. AND IT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR VOTE. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE A GOOD THING. UM, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS DISTRICT SIX, AND WE DON'T HAVE A COMMISSIONER IN THAT DISTRICT, SO, UM, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO TAKE THIS? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE IT MYSELF. I DON'T MIND. AND MR. CHAIR, JUST TO NOTE, THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT WERE CALLED TOGETHER. SO IF, IF A MOTION'S MADE FOR BOTH, UM, I, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MS. ITEM, ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH THIS ONE? IS EVERYBODY GOOD? YES. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE ITEMS TWO AND THREE AS PER DRC. RECOMMENDATIONS ITEM TWO, TWO CPA 2 6 0 3 0 0 0 7. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR GOODLAND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND NUMBER THREE, ZONE 26 0 2, 0 0 0 5. ZONING CHA. UH, CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN FOR GOODLAND AS WELL. AGAIN, AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS. I SECOND THE MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MYSELF, CHERYL SMITH TO APPROVE AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VICTOR MEDINA. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [Items 4 & 5] NEXT CASE. MADAM CHAIR, ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE ARE COMPANION ITEMS. I'M GONNA PRESENT THEM TOGETHER. SO ITEM FOUR IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1217 SMALL STREET. THE PROJECT IS A REZONING TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FOR A DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE. AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. ON YOUR SCREEN TO THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING FLUME WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BOUNDED IN YELLOW. AND THE PROPOSED FLUME ON YOUR RIGHT STAFF IS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE SAME PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1217 SMALL STREET. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE PROJECT IS REZONING FOR DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT, AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT. HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BOUNDED IN YELLOW. YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. WE HAVE TWO FAMILY ZONING TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST. WE HAVE TWO FAMILY ZONING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT ON THE EAST IS GENERAL RETAIL ZONING, AND THEN THE CORNER IS ALSO GENERAL RETAIL ZONING. A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE REQUEST, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UM, WERE DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY IN 1950 AS DUPLEXES. IN 2026, THE EXISTING DUPLEX ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS DEMOLISHED. THE ADJACENT DUPLEX IS STILL EXISTING AND IN USE AS A, AS A DUPLEX. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTING A NEW DUPLEX THAT WILL MEET THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT STANDARDS. HERE ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS [00:15:01] TO THE LEFT. YOU CAN SEE THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN TO THE RIGHT, THE CONCEPT ELEVATION. AND AGAIN, THE PROPOSED DUPLEX, IF YOU APPROVE THE REQUEST, SHALL MEET THE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS. THE SURROUNDING AREA, NORTH AND WEST IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES DIRECTLY WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1945 AND 1950 WITH LIVING AREAS RANGING FROM APPROXIMATELY 760 SQUARE FEET TO AROUND 1400 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED DUPLEX IS GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF SENT 36 NOTICES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WE'VE RECEIVED ZERO LETTERS IN SUPPORT, ZERO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, AND THE DRC IS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. MADAM CHAIR IN THE BRIEFING, UM, I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ADJACENT DUPLEX. IT IS NOT OWNED BY A PARTNERSHIP LLC OR CORPORATION. IT IS OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL. AND WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU'RE SO THOROUGH IN GETTING INFORMATION BACK TO US. YES, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON? COMMISSIONER NORCO? YES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION FOR ITEM FOUR? THAT ONE? YES, SIR. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN RED THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL SLASH RETAIL SLASH OFFICE, THAT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDE OF RIGHT NOW? YES. SO ARE THEY ALSO PART OF WHAT, UH, JULIE SAID OF CONFORMING PREEXISTING USE A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE, ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE? YES, SIR. SO THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY, SHOULD ANY OF THEIR HOUSES GET HIT BY A TORNADO OR A FIRE, THEY COULD BE IN JEOPARDY WITH THE CITY OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND GET A ZONING CHANGE TO BUILD BACK THEIR HOUSE? YES. YES. OH, SO THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OKAY. SO IT'S THAT. SO THE STUFF IN RED IS NOT ZONED COMMERCIAL? THAT'S CORRECT. I MISUNDERSTOOD. THE LAND USE IS THE FLU. SO ALL OF THOSE OTHER ONES ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY. BUT WHEN WE DID THE FLUME, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST PUT COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE ON TOP OF PREEXISTING HOUSING. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THE FLUME IS, IS TO REFLECT WHAT THE CITY ANTICIPATES THE AREA IS GOING TO BE USED FOR IN THE FUTURE, OR WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE THERE IN THE FUTURE. UH, THE ZONING IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FLU. I GET IT. YEAH. THAT SOMETIMES MAYBE THE FLU NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A SCALPEL THAN A CHAINSAW. AND THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE TAKEN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'VE COVERED IT ALL IN THE FLUME IN COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL IN OFFICE. YES. SO THAT'S, THIS IS ON OUR LIST, UH, TO CORRECT MANY OF THESE ISSUES. SO WE WON'T BE HERE HAVING TO RESOLVE IT AFTER THE FACT. VERY GOOD POINT. COMMISSIONER, ANY COMMISSIONER ERY? UH, YES. THANK YOU. HOW OFTEN IS THIS FLU, UH, EVALUATED? LIKE IS IT EVERY 10 YEARS OR? I'M GONNA DEFER TO RASHAD. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE EVERY FIVE TO 10 YEARS IN A, IN, IN, IN A, UM, TIED WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. UM, THE CITY'S, I THINK LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED WAS IN, UH, 2018. UH, I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THAT WAS CITYWIDE. UH, KEEP IN MIND WE'RE SO LONG AND NARROW. WHEN I GOT HERE. WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE JUST FOR THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. WE'RE, I'M PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW WITH THE EPICENTER PLAN. AND THEN THIS AREA IS NORTH OF PIONEER, WHICH WOULD BE PHASE THREE. SO IT'S ON OUR LIST. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD POINT. THESE ARE SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR THE, THE, THE, UH, DEVELOPERS HERE. MADAM CHAIR? I'M NOT SURE. YES, HE'S HERE. OKAY. EXCELLENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ERIN? GREAT PRESENTATION. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND MA'AM, WE HAVE ONE CARD FOR THIS ITEM. KEVIN JARROW WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS KEVIN JARA. DO YOU NEED MY ADDRESS TOO? YES. 2351 WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 2 0. THANK YOU. YES. SO YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT? YEAH. WELL, WE JUST WANT TO PROPOSE A DUPLEX. WE, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT IT [00:20:01] WOULD BE OKAY UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS GOT AHEAD OF THEMSELVES AND DEMOLISHED THE BUILDING AND COME TO FIND OUT THAT IT'S ZONED FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. BUT NEXT DOOR THERE IS A DUPLEX. AND THE OVERALL FIELD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AS DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, IS MAINLY RESIDENTIAL. MM-HMM . SO THE, THE PROPERTY, YOU, YOU DO ALL THE PROPERTY? I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNER. IS THAT A, IS THAT AN INVESTMENT FIRM OR AN INDIVIDUAL OWNER? HE'S, UH, AN INVESTOR. MM-HMM . SO HE WOULD PROBABLY SELL THE PROPERTY. SO DID YOU GUYS DO A MARKETING SURVEY OR ANYTHING TO CONSIDER WHAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S AN OLDER AREA. IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. MM-HMM . TO JUST, 'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF LIKE OUT OF THE BLUE THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE. YEAH. SO UNFORTUNATELY HE DID NOT, WHENEVER HE REACHED OUT TO ME, THE DEMOLITION WAS ALREADY DONE. INTERESTING. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, I, IF I MAY JUST CORRECT, I DON'T THINK THIS OUT OF THE BLUE, THERE WAS A DUPLEX ALREADY THERE HAD BEEN THERE FROM THE FIFTIES, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT IT, BUT IT SOMEHOW, I GUESS IT WAS, UH, IT WAS DEMOLISHED. DEMOLISHED BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE HAD THE RIGHT TO PUT IT BACK UP. RIGHT. BUT IT, SO IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T THE, THE, THE IDEA OF A DUPLEX BEING ON THAT PARCEL OF DIRT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THE TIMEFRAME ON HOW LONG IT'S BEEN EMPTY, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. AM I CORRECT? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE THAT'S BEEN OCCUPIED? WHEN WAS IT DEMOLISHED MR. JARRAH? A FEW MONTHS AGO, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX MONTHS. BUT HOW, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS OCCUPIED BEING DEMOLISHED IS ONE THING, WHETHER IT WAS, WAS IT STILL BEING OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE BEFORE IT WAS DEMOLISHED, OR WAS IT JUST VACANT? I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WOULDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEADS, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT, UM, TO COMMISSIONER FRED KO'S POINT THAT, THAT, THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES. OKAY. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? COMMISSIONERS? I'M A LITTLE TORN ON THIS ONE, BUT, UM, SO WITH THIS DUPLEX ON, YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. IT'D BE A NICE PRODUCT. MM-HMM . UH, FOR, FOR A COUPLE OF, UH, FAMILIES. UH, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? DO YOU HAVE A, A PRICE POINT OR THIS IS GONNA BE FOR, IT'S GONNA BE HIGH END, MIDDLE END, LOW END FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA. IT'S USUALLY THE HOUSES THAT THIS INVESTOR BUILDS ARE WITHIN BUDGET FOR. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY AFFORDABLE. HE DOES A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY. USUALLY THEY'RE AROUND 200 TO 300,000. SO I EXPECT THIS DUPLEX TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 300 TO 400. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A, A DUPLEX WITH 750 TO 1400 FEET. I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT PROPERTY MAY NOT HAVE BE WITH THE SAME VALUE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IT SEEM LIKE, WELL, THESE UNITS ARE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAYBE TWICE THE SIZE OF THE ONES EXISTING NEXT DOOR AND WHAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A CADILLAC OVER HERE AND YOU HAVE A BUG OVER HERE, I MEAN, A SMALLER VEHICLE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CORRELATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE COULD BUY THE MOTHER DOOR TOO. I MEAN, YOU AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. HAVE YOU, YOU REACHED OUT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE DUPLEX? I HAVE NOT. WE DID POST A SIGN UP ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I DID NOT GO DOOR TO DOOR ASKING NEIGHBORS. I'M, I'M JUST ASKING THAT CONSIDERATION THAT YOU, YOU BILL A, UH, HOW DO I, HOW DO I SAY THIS? YOU HAVE A CADILLAC RIGHT HERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A VOLKSWAGEN RABBIT OVER HERE, BUG. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. I MEAN, THERE SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA COME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU NEED TO BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IS THIS GONNA BE A BLEND IN OR IT'S JUST GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WAY OUT THERE? NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE HIGH END OR LUXURY BY ANY MEANS. SHOULD HELP IMPROVE COMMUNITY. YEAH. THE COMMUNITY MAYBE ENCOURAGE OTHERS. IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUGE STRUCTURE. IT IS JUST LARGER THAN THOSE TYPICAL, UM, THE DUPLEXES THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTED, MEANING IN HIGH IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. THE FIRST THING I WAS THINKING IS HIGH, UH, PER THE ELEVATION. YOU'LL SEE RIGHT THERE THAT IT'S NOT, UM, I, I, WE'RE IN A, UH, IN A TIME RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE AND IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE ARE GONNA BE THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE NEW HOMES ARE GONNA BE LARGER THAN WHAT IS EXISTING SURROUNDING IT. SO, UM, DALLAS, OF COURSE, HAS A LOT OF THAT. AND WE'RE, IT'S OUR TURN TO DO THAT FROM A, UH, THE AGE OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND INFIELD DEVELOPMENT IN THESE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK [00:25:01] YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS ON THIS SIDE. WOW. THIS IS, UH, DISTRICT, UH, FIVE FIVE, WHICH IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ARI'S AREA. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT? I JUST KIND OF WANNA SAY THAT I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE, , BECAUSE I AM, UH, LEANING TOWARD, UM, APPROVAL ONLY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BRING TWO FAMILIES, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP. AND, UH, IT'S ALREADY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, EVEN THOUGH THE FLU SAYS SOMETHING ELSE. UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. WE'RE RESIDENTS. MM-HMM. WE, WE ARE JUST GONNA GIVE OUR OPINION AND THE CITY'S GONNA DO WHATEVER THE CITY'S GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I THINK THIS IS A, A NICE PROJECT. BUT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? ANYBODY ELSE? JANIE, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? 'CAUSE I HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPINION FROM MADAM CHAIR ON THIS. YEAH. I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, WITH HIS DRAWINGS THERE AS WELL, THAT HE IS, TO ME, I TAKE IT AS MORE ENCOURAGING TO THE NEIGHBORS TO WANT TO FIX UP THEIRS AS WELL. WELL, THAT, AND I MEAN, I, I, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I, I WISH WE WERE REZONING THE ADJACENT PARCEL. MM-HMM . TOO. BECAUSE IF THAT PARCEL GOT BURNT OR TURNED DOWN, THE NEW OWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US WITH HAT AND HAND SAYING, CAN I REBUILD MY DUPLEX? WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN THERE FOR 60 YEARS. MM-HMM . WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. I'D LIKE, I APOLOGIZE TO MR. JARA THAT HE'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO NOT APPROVE THIS. THIS HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN A DUPLEX FOR DECADES BEFORE. HE WANTS TO PUT IN A NICER PRODUCT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU WERE TORN BY IT. NO, NO. I WAS TORN BY AT FIRST, I WOULD ASSUME THAT I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT SINCE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BY, BY IT NOT BEING, UM, THEY, THEY MADE THE P FLUME THING. THE FLUME THING. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT, YEAH. NO, BUT I'M FOR IT. I'M FOR IT. SORRY, I DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT CORRECTLY. UM, HAPPY TALK THING. YES. ANY, UH, VICTOR MEDINA WITH YOU? SO, RASHAD, IF YOU COULD DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME REAL QUICK, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEN, BECAUSE IT'S GENERAL RETAIL, RIGHT? THAT, I MEAN, AND, AND REALISTICALLY LOOKING AT IT LIKE SEVEN ELEVEN'S NOT GONNA BUILD A STORE THAT'S TOO SMALL. CORRECT? RIGHT. SO IT'S REALLY, REALISTICALLY, IT'S TOO SMALL FOR A BUSINESS. SO WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A DUPLEX THERE, THEN IT'S LOCKED. THEY, THEY JUST, IT'LL LIKELY SIT VACANT. UM, SOMEONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD A SMALL LITTLE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, BUT, UH, I DOUBT IT. YEAH. UM, SO I THINK, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND RECOMMENDATION IS THERE WAS ONCE A DUPLEX THERE, IT FITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. NOW OUR RECOMMENDATION IS IN RELATION TO THE FLUME. AND Y'ALL SAW WHAT THE FLUME WAS AND DESIGNATED FOR THE PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR. SO THAT GOES WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. IN THIS CASE, UM, COUNCIL DIRECTS THOSE DECISIONS ON THE FLUME. SO WE ARE HELD TO HOLD WITH REGARD TO THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE, UH, AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE AREA. IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S MY, MY 2 CENTS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. I TO WHAT RASHAD SAID, THEY ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAVE TO SAY WHATEVER THE FLUME SAYS AND THEY CANNOT VARY IT FROM IT, EVEN IF THEY MAYBE DON'T FEEL IT IN THEIR HEART. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER ZACHERY? UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYONE UP HERE. UM, NO I DON'T, BUT NO IN ALL FAIRNESS, I DO THINK THIS IS GOING TO BRING THE COMMUNITY UP, RIGHT? LIKE, I LIKE WHAT I SEE AND I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE DOING OUR, UM, OUR RESIDENTS A FAVOR BY ENCOURAGING THINGS LIKE THIS. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. VERY GOOD. CONSIDERING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO, BUT YEAH, EXACTLY. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? 'CAUSE WE GONNA, THE LAST WORD IS GONNA BE, UH, COMMISSIONER ARI, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS A GOOD YES. GOOD USE IS WE'D BE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, MR. CHAPMAN? ALL IN. ALL IN. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KAR ARI, THIS IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE? UH, YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC CLEAR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE CPA DASH 26 DASH THREE DASH 0 0 4 AND ZERO N DASH 26 DASH TWO DASH 0 0 4 ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN AND APPROVE. THAT'S IT. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE BY COMMISSIONER ARI AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHAARI, UM, THE WAY IT IS AS PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER. YES. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE [00:30:01] RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [6. SUP-26-03-0003 - Specific Use Permit/Site Plan - Car Wash at 1025 W Pioneer (City Council District 2). Specific Use Permit/Site Plan for a Car Wash (Self-Service) on 2.10 acres. Lot 1, Block 2, Park Place Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Commercial (C) District, within the SH 161 Corridor Overlay District, and addressed as 1025 W Pioneer Pkwy ] NEXT CASE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER THE ITEM. UH, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER SIX. THIS IS A SUP SLASH SITE PLAN FOR A CAR WASH PROPOSED AT 10 25 WEST PIONEER PARKWAY, SUP 26 0 3 0 0 0 3. BEFORE I BEGIN, UM, I DID BRING A COPY OF THE 44 OPPOSITIONAL LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED. I WILL GO OVER THE NUMBERS LATER, BUT I'M JUST GONNA START AT EACH IN AND THAT SCENARIO. IF YOU GUYS CAN SHARE, AGAIN, NOT A VERY LENGTHY COMMENT, MOST OF 'EM ARE SAYING THAT JUST DO NOT LIKE THE LAND USE. THANK YOU. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH PROPOSED AT 10 25 WEST PIONEER PARKWAY. AS MOST OF YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR, THIS IS NEAR THE 1 61 AND WEST PIONEER PARKWAY, WHERE THE EXISTING WARM WALMART IS LOCATED. THERE'S A BUILDING THAT HAS NOT BEEN, UH, HEAVILY IN USE FOR IN, IN THE PAST. SO THE APPLICANT WISHES TO TEAR IT DOWN THE BUILDING AND BRAILLE A BRAND NEW, UH, CAR WASH. SO TO KIND OF HELP YOU SITUATE YOURSELF, THIS IS THE WALMART. HERE ARE OTHER, UH, RETAIL, UH, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT MULTI-TENANT. THIS IS THE QUICKTRIP. THIS IS THE SITE THAT THEY'RE LOCATING IN. UM, THE CAR WASH RIGHT NOW IS EXISTING TO THE, UM, ON THE ARKANSAS, AND THERE'S ANOTHER CAR WASH HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, PIONEER PARKWAY. OTHER USES ARE AUTOMATICALLY RELATED TO SELF STORAGE AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AS SUCH. SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED, UM, SITE PLAN. THEY ARE PROPOSING ABOUT A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, CAR WASH TUNNEL THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME VACUUM BASE AS WELL. THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROPOSAL. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWS HOW THEY'RE PRESERVING SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES ALL ALONG THE SIDE GATE DRIVE, WHICH WRAPS AROUND THEIR PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL STREET TREES AND PARKING LOT TREES, AS SHOWN THEY ARE EITHER EXCEEDING OR MEETING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. HERE'S KIND OF A PROPOSAL FOR THE WASH TUNNEL AND THE EQUIPMENT ROOM IN A VERY SMALL, UH, LOBBY AREA WHERE IF A CUSTOMER HAS QUESTIONS ON USING THE SERVICES, THEY CAN CONTACT THE, UH, EMPLOYEE DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS. UM, THE BUS PROPOSED BUSINESS HOURS ARE 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SUNDAY. THEY DO OFFER MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP, BUT THEY ALSO ALLOW CUSTOMER TO USE IT AT ONE TIME BASIS. HERE ARE THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATION. JUST TO HELP YOU KIND OF LOCATE. THIS IS THE ELEVATION YOU WILL SEE ON THE PIONEER STREET, AND THAT IS THE SIDE VIEW THAT YOU WILL SEE WHEN YOU ARE TRAVELING THROUGH SOUTH GATE. WITH THAT SAID, UM, AGAIN, THE MAIN WASH TUNNEL WILL BE ACCESSED FROM THE PIONEER SIDE, WILL BE EXITING FROM THE SOUTH GATE SIDE. THEY HAVE TRIED TO PUT, UM, TRANS, UM, TRANSFER WINDOWS AND A GARAGE DOOR LOOKING WINDOWS AND CANOPIES. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THE FACADE REQUIREMENT. AND IT, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF LESS THAN ONE ACRE. TYPICALLY, THEY REQUEST GENERALLY THESE TYPE OF, UH, VARIANCES. SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THEY IN THE OVERALL AREA, THEY'RE SO SORRY, LET ME GO THROUGH THIS LIST REALLY QUICK. THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE APPENDIX F MENU ITEMS LIST. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING OVERALL THREE VARIANCES. ONE IS FOR THE OVERALL WINDOWS. SO WE REQUIRE THE TOTAL AREA OR LENGTH OF THE BUILDING TO BE GLASS, AND THEY ARE ONLY PROVIDING 19, UH, BASED ON THE AREA. THE SECOND IS TO, FOR THE WINDOWS, AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY A SOUTH GATE DRIVE, THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE THREE, UM, PRIMARY ELEVATIONS ON THE, UH, PIONEER ELEVATION AND THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION. THEY'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER, ON THIS AREA, UH, WEST ELEVATION, THEY'RE NOT MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THEIR EQUIPMENTS ARE HOUSED. THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE OVERALL CANOPIES. FOR THIS AREA, WE ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE AT LEAST 25% OF CANOPIES. THEY HAVE PROPOSED CANOPIES OVER WINDOWS WHEREVER POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, IT IS, UH, ACCOUNTING FOR 7% OVERALL. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY EXISTING CAR WASH LOCATIONS. UM, RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS HERE. UM, THIS IS THE WALMART. THEY'RE SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THEM. UM, THE NINE 50 WEST PIONEER IS LOCATED HERE, AND THE, UH, 1200 ARKANSAS IS LOCATED HERE. [00:35:01] THEY'RE ABOUT 605 FEET. THEY'RE ABOUT 500 835 FEET. WE HAVE SENT 13 NOTIFICATION AREA. UM, AGAIN, WE TYPICALLY TRY TO SEND IT OUT TO 300 BUFFER, ZERO. SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION LETTER CAME FROM THOSE 13 PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, WE DID RECEIVE SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF, UH, LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. UM, 46 LETTERS WERE RECEIVED. HOWEVER, FOUR MORE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. UM, WE FOUND 20 UNIQUE ADDRESSES AMONG THEM, 14 OF 'EM ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES. AND SOMETIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT PROPERTY AND OWNERS DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU ONLY COUNT FOR ONE ADDRESS. SO THE HUSBAND, WIFE, OR EVEN ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER WILL SUBMIT THAT. SO AGAIN, OUT OF 46, UM, LETTERS, SOME OF 'EM ARE DUPLICATES. SOME OF 'EM WERE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. UM, AGAIN, ZERO OF THEM WERE FROM THE, UH, NOTIFICATION AREA, BUT THERE WERE 12 UNIQUE ADDRESSES OF 14 OF THEM WERE FROM RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES, BUT THEY WERE FROM MILE AND A HALF AWAY TO FIVE AND A HALF, UH, MILES AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. SO THE DEVELOP REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT ALL OPERATIONS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS FOUND IN CHAPTER 13, ARTICLE XX AUTOMOTIVE RELATED USE REGULATIONS. SO THIS IS KIND OF COMMONLY ADDED CONDITION FOR ALL AUTOMOTIVE RELATED USES. FOR THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY STANDARDS, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS INTENDED ON DOING. THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? C COM? COMMISSIONER , JUNE? YES. MM-HMM . IS THIS PARCEL SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY PUBLIC ROADWAY ON OR JUST ON THREE. ON THREE? YES, SIR. SO THANK YOU. YES. UHHUH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. MM-HMM . SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE SOUTH GATE DRIVE THAT PEOPLE ZOOM THROUGH TO GET THE WALMART FROM THE QUICKTRIP. MM-HMM . IS ACTUALLY A PUBLIC STREET. MM. SO, SO JUST DEAD ENDS INTO ROBINSON. AND PIONEER, YES. SORRY. SO IT CONNECTS THIS WAY. WRAP AROUND THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AND, UH, TERMINATES IN ROBINSON. OH. SO IT IS SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES, THREE SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY SHARE THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WITH ANOTHER QUICK TRIP. YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. BUT THERE'S A, IT'S A SQUARE. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SQUARE BLOCK. YES. YES, SIR. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . MM-HMM . VERY GOOD POINT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, JIM. VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. OF COURSE. I'D JUST LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE MOST IMPORTANT OPPOSITION LETTER THAT I FOUND IN LOOKING AT IT. AND IT IS FROM, UM, CELESTE INE AT 29 24 PRAIRIE OAK BOULEVARD. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S IN THE VICINITY OF THAT OR NOT, BUT SHE SAYS HER OPPOSITION. THERE ARE SO MANY CAR WASHES IN THIS AREA ALREADY. SECOND, I HEARD CAR WASHES DO NOT PAY SALES TAX TO THE CITY. THERE ARE BETTER BUSINESS, THERE ARE BETTER BUSINESS TO HELP GENERATE MONEY TO THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AND OUR SCHOOLS. THIRD, APART FROM BEING MANY CAR WASHES, UH, THEY ARE ALL VERY CLOSE AND DISTANCE. ONE CAR WASH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALMART AND ONE ACROSS THE STREET. THIS CAR WASH SEEMS UNNECESSARY. NO, NO TO CAR WASH AT 10 25 WEST PIONEER. I THINK SHE SAYS IT ALL BY SAYING THAT THERE ARE ALREADY ENOUGH, UH, CAR WASHES IN PROXIMITY, BETTER USE OF TAX DOLLARS, I MEAN MONEY TO PUT A RESTAURANT THERE OR SOME OTHER BUSINESS THERE INSTEAD. AND, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ANY DISCUSSION? UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE QUITE A FEW. OKAY. UM, KURT DANIELS, THE WHO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. WELCOME. WELCOME. DID YOU EMAIL? YES. YES. YESTERDAY? YES. YOU KNOW WHAT, GIMME SECOND. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE RECORD PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME'S KURT DANIELS WITH COCHRANE ENGINEERING AB, UM, MAIN STREET, WINSFIELD, MISSOURI, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR CLUB CAR WASH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. WHO SOME INJURED CAM? MM-HMM . THAT'S RIGHT. AND, UH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A POWERPOINT ISSUE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. ALONG WITH ME IS TRISH VO, UH, SHE'S LEGAL COUNSEL FOR CLUB CAR WARS, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE. WE HAVE JUSTIN BARNES, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR ANY QUESTIONS THERE. AND ALSO, UH, SARAH SMITH, WHO IS THE MARKETING, UH, EXECUTIVE FOR CLUB CAR WARS. SO I'D LIKE TO START MY POWERPOINT, BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT. WHY? UM, BUT I CAN'T SHOW IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I CAN INTRODUCE WHAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO MAKE GREAT USE OF OUR TIME. AND SO, [00:40:01] UM, WE, CAN YOU GET YOUR NAME, ADDRESS? YES. I'M TRISH VO. I'M, MY ADDRESS IS 1 5 5 1 WATERFRONT PARKWAY, WICHITA, KANSAS. UH, REPRESENT, I'M SORRY IT'S NOT IN MY EMAIL INBOX. WOULD YOU MIND EMAILING TO ME REALLY QUICK? YEAH. DO YOU WANT ME TO FIND IT? YES. UM, SO, SO, SORRY. NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE FINE. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. YEAH, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN TRY TO FIND IT FOR YOU TOO. SURE. UM, SO WE SUBMITTED, UM, UH, INFORMATION INCLUDING A POWERPOINT, BUT WE PULLED SOME THINGS TOGETHER FOR YOU AND PARTICULARLY IN THE PACKET THAT I HANDED YOU. UM, AND JUNE, THIS IS AN EXTRA COPY FOR YOU. OKAY. DID YOU FIND IT? THANK YOU. FANTASTIC. ARE YOU PUTTING IT IN THE END DRIVES? YES. OKAY, GREAT. DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP REAL QUICK THERE? AN EXTRA COFFEE? I HAND IT OUT IF YOU WANT. YOU CAN HAVE MY HAND UP, MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND WAITING. I CAN PULL UP YOUR POWER. YOU WANNA JUST WAIT? YES, I, UM, YEP. UM, SO WHILE SHE'S, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, DO YOU WANT THIS ON THE MIC? UM, AND SO, UM, I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL REALLY IMPORTANT TOPICS AND WE ARE HERE PREPARED TO COVER ALL OF THEM FOR YOU, UM, AS, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS CLUB CAR WASH HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS, UM, FOR 20 YEARS. AND SO THEY ARE THE EXPERT IN THE ROOM IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE CAR WASH MARKET AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A NEED, UM, FOR IT AND A DESIRE FOR IT. AND WE ARE HERE AND HAPPY TO HELP EDUCATE YOU ON THAT VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. UM, IN THE PACKET THAT I HANDED TO YOU, YOU'VE BEEN GETTING SOME INFORMATION AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR AND CLARIFY SOME INFORMATION ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT. SO AT THE DOGEARED PAGE, IN THE PACKET THAT I HANDED TO YOU ARE 24 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. THESE 24 LETTERS OF SUPPORT COME FROM THE BUSINESS PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ADJACENT TO THE WEST. AND SO THESE ARE THE MOST LOCAL, THE CLOSEST BUSINESS PROPERTIES TO THE SITE. AND THEY WANTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT LOCALLY AND IMPROVEMENT TO THE LOCAL AESTHETICS AND CHARACTER OF THIS BUSINESS CORRIDOR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED TODAY FROM STAFF, AGAIN TALKS ABOUT, UM, INPUT, UH, AND SOME OF THE OPPOSITION. SO ONE ITEM ON THE SLIDE THAT WASN'T SPOKEN OUT LOUD, AND JUNE CAN CERTAINLY CLARIFY THIS FOR ME. THERE WERE FIVE IN FAVOR THAT DIDN'T GET MENTIONED. CORRECT. SO IN ADDITION TO R 24 THAT I HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU, JUNE ALSO RECEIVED ANOTHER FIVE IN FAVOR. ALRIGHT. AND WE DID ALSO JUST RECEIVE THE CROY GROUP WALMART, IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT IS ONE OF 'EM THAT WE JUST RECEIVED. UM, THANKS TODAY. SO WE HAVE THE, THE WALMART CENTER DEVELOPMENT ON IT AS, AS WELL. UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF BALANCING BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, WHICH ARE VERY LOCAL TO THE SITE, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF OTHER INPUT, AS SHE WAS SAYING, UM, NONE OF THE OPPOSITION INPUT WAS WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. AND JUNE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF, IF I UNDERSTOOD THIS WRONG, BUT THE CLOSEST THERE'S OF THE OPPOSITION INPUT WAS A MILE OR A MILE AND A HALF AWAY. NO. OKAY. THAT IS INCORRECT. THAT'S ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES. YES. BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A NEIGHBORING ADDRESS. HOWEVER, WE RECEIVED SOME LETTERS FROM LESS THAN FIVE MILES. UM, HOW, AND ALSO YOUR, UH, SUPPORT LETTERS ARE ACTUALLY DUPLICATES AS WELL. WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE OPPOSITION LETTER FROM SAME ADDRESSES. SO AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE REVIEW AND LETTERS, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE PER ONE PROPERTY. YES. SO IT'S REALLY PROPERTY. IT SHOULD BE THE PROPERTY FROM THE TENANT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT'S SO, SO THAT, SO WHILE WE WERE GETTING READY WITH, WITH THE POWERPOINT, WE WANTED YOU TO, TO HAVE SOME OF THAT BACKGROUND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY LOCAL TO THE AREA. AND THEN JUST TO CAP OFF THAT TOPIC, SINCE WE'RE ON IT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE HOSTED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND WE INVITED ALL OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT RESIDENTIAL [00:45:01] DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT, THAT WE CAN GO, GO PULL TO ONE PERSON ATTENDED. NO ONE ELSE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACTED US. WE SPENT TIME VISITING WITH JESSE, THE ONE PERSON WHO ATTENDED. AND HE APPRECIATED THE INFORMATION WE SHARED. HE SIMPLY DOESN'T WASH HIS CAR. AND, UM, AND, AND FOUR TIMES A YEAR HE SAID . AND, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING RESIDENTS NEARBY THE AREA, WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY REACHED OUT TO THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, OF THE CONCERNS. AND THEY, UM, THEY DID NOT ATTEND THE MEETING OR, OR FOLLOW UP WITH US. SO WE JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION? YES. I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU. OH NO. BUT WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME GIVEN TO, UH, ALERT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE MEETING? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU DO IT LIKE TWO DAYS AHEAD OR SOME PICK UP, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. ABOUT A WEEK. YES MA'AM. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO TOO FAR IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY FORGET MM-HMM . THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. ONE. YES MA'AM. ONE. THANK YOU. YES, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, KURT. I THINK, I THINK JESSE CONVEYED ALSO THAT IT WAS MOSTLY RENTALS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HE SAID THEY REALLY, IN HIS OPINION, DIDN'T HAVE A BIG INPUT. SO MOST OF 'EM ARE RENTALS. BUT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, KURT DANIELS WITH COCHRAN ENGINEERING, WE'LL GET BACK ON SCHEDULE NOW. UH, CLUB CAR WASH, 1 25 WEST PIONEER ROAD. UH, GET IT UP HERE. THERE WE GO. UM, CLUB CAR WASH HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS 20 YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR 16 PLUS YEARS WITH THEM. UM, WITH CLUB CAR WASH. WHEN WE GO INTO THESE SITES, WE DO A VERY RIGOROUS, UM, DATA GATHERING TO KNOW THEY ARE THE PROPER SITES. UH, MATTER OF FACT, WE DO ENOUGH DATA GATHERING THAT IT'S, WE DO 5 MILLION THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO PUT THESE SITES IN IS 5 MILLION, $5 MILLION TO PUT A SITE IN LIKE THIS. WE'VE NEVER HAD A SITE GO UNDER. UH, AND WITH WHAT I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN, IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION IS I KNOW THE OWNER PERSONALLY, HE'S AN IMPECCABLE INDIVIDUAL. HE KEEPS AN IMPECCABLE SITE. UH, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING OUT OF HIS SITES, ANYTHING BUT A PLUS. UH, HE ACTUALLY, EACH AND EVERY SPRING GOES AROUND TO EVERY SITE, ALL 260 OF THEM AND DOES WHAT I GUESS WE CALL, UH, A SO REVIEW, MAKE SURE THE GRASS IS GREEN, MAKE SURES SURE THE SHRUBS ARE ALIVE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS UP TO HIS STANDARDS. SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS SITE WILL LOOK GOOD, BUT AS I SAID, OUR PROPERTY INVESTMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE 5 MILLION ANNUAL PROPERTY TAXES, UH, FOR THIS SITE IS AROUND $60,000 A YEAR. AND ONE THING WE DO, AND SARAH SMITH, IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS, WE CREATE 15 NEW JOBS, UH, THROUGH THIS SITE. A LOT OF THOSE ARE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, UH, THAT PRE-WASH YOUR CAR. WHEN IT SAYS SELF-SERVE CAR WASH, IT'S NOT YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR, YOU WASH YOUR CAR. THIS IS AN AUTOMATED TUNNEL YOU DRIVE THROUGH. THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS THEY HAND YOU A WET RAG. YOU CAN WIPE THE INSIDE OF YOUR CAR DOWN IF YOU WANT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE RAG, IF NOT, UH, BUT THESE 15 LOCAL JOBS THAT COME ARE A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. YOU DO HAVE SOME UPPER LEVEL MANAGEMENT. UH, BUT CLUB CAR WASH PRIDES THEMSELVES THAT 75% OF THEIR HIERARCHY IN THEIR COMPANY HAS COME FROM THE LOWER RANKS. MEANING A HIGH SCHOOL KID THAT CAME IN, I THINK THEIR LONGEST STANDING, UH, EMPLOYEE RIGHT NOW IS WORKING FOR JUSTIN. UH, AND HE STARTED OUT JUST AS A PRE-WASH. UH, BUT THEY DO LIKE TO PROMOTE WITHIN COMMUNITY FOCUS. UH, ONE THING ABOUT CLUB CAR WORKS, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT IN, UH, COMMUNITY FOCUS. THE CHILDREN'S MIRACLE NETWORK IS ONE THING THAT WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE SUPPORT. AND I THINK, UM, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE HAVE DONATED $5 MILLION TO THE, UH, CHILDREN'S NETWORK. SO IT'S A VERY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION. IT'S ONE THAT TAKES IT, UH, VERY SERIOUS. AND AS FAR AS ORGANIZED COMMUNITY FOCUS AROUND THE UH, AREA, UH, I THINK SARAH SMITH SAID, YOU KNOW, WE GET HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF REQUESTS. AND SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW OF MANY. WE TURN DOWN AND IT MAY BE A SILENT AUCTION SOMEBODY'S HAVING FOR THE VFW HALL OR WHATEVER, AND THEY GIVE SOME CAR WASH PASSES OR A, A MONTH FOR YOUR MEMBERSHIP. THEY'RE VERY, VERY COMMUNITY FOCUSED. UH, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, LIKE I SAID, UM, THAT, OH, YOU'RE GOING FORWARD. I'M LIKE, WHAT AM I DOING? HOW AM I MOVING FORWARD? TRISHA'S MOVING FORWARD. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THE DIFFERENT LITTLE DEALS THEY DO. CLUB CAR WASH ALSO RUNS INCREMENTAL FUNDRAISERS, LIKE A $5 WASH WEEKEND TO SUPPORT LOCAL SCHOOLS OR CHARITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THEY ARE VERY COMMUNITY FOCUSED. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, UH, JUST THINGS THAT WE DO, AND I THINK JUNE COVERED SOME OF THIS, SO I'LL GO PRETTY QUICK. WE DO OFFER MONTHLY MEMBERSHIPS AND WHEN WE PICK OUR LOCATIONS, A LOT OF OUR LOCATIONS ARE PICKED BECAUSE OUR MEMBERS HAVE CALLED US AND SAID, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A CLUB CAR WASH IN MY AREA? AND THAT [00:50:01] STIMULATES A LOT OF OUR INVESTIGATION, OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE WE'RE PICKING THE RIGHT SITE. THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THE RIGHT AREA. IT TAKES ABOUT 30,000 PEOPLE IN AN AREA TO SUPPORT A CAR WASH. I THINK GRAND PRAIRIE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 212,000. SO I HEARD A LITTLE BIT IN THE BRIEFING AND EARLIER THAT WE'VE GOT CAR WASHES. HOW MANY CAR WASHES? TECHNICALLY SPEAKING THEORETICAL. I'M NOT TELLING YOU YOU NEED THIS, YOU'RE NOT THERE. YOU NEED MORE CAR WASHES. WE ARE VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE AND VERY ASSURED THAT THIS IS A GREAT SITE FOR CLUB CAR WASH, BUT SITE ACCESS ON THIS SITE, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IF YOU WILL. UH, SITE ACCESS AND THE NEXT ONE WILL GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT WE DO HAVE FOUR ACCESS POINTS. WE DO HAVE ONE ON PIONEER. WE HAVE, UH, ONE TO THE WEST, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT, ONE TO THE SOUTH. AND WE ALSO HAVE A CROSS ACCESS WITH, UH, COURT QUICKTRIP, WHICH WE LOVE. THAT'S GREAT ACCESS FOR US ALLOWS OUR PATRONS TO GET IN AND OUT. VERY EASY. I THINK, UM, IF I SAID IT RIGHT, COMMISSIONER CHARI SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE SAME PARKING LOT AS ANOTHER CAR WASH. WE ARE, WE'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WALMART. WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THAT WALMART SITE, THERE'S CHICK-FIL-A, THERE'S PANDA EXPRESS, THERE'S WONA BURGER, THERE'S WENDY'S, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF FAST F FAST FOODS. QS, QSR, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL LISTED. THIS, THIS, YEAH. THIS SHOWS THAT THIS SHOPPING CENTER AREA HAS A LOT OF DUPLICATE USES. AND AGAIN, UM, CLUB CAR WASH HAS VERIFIED THAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, THAT THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS AND THEY WOULDN'T INVEST $5 MILLION IN THE SITE IF THEY WERE NOT CERTAIN THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THIS IS A, UM, FANTASTIC LOCATION FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND SERVE THE LOCAL AREA WITH AN AMENITY THAT WILL BE VERY POPULAR. AND, AND AS THE QSRS, THE QUALITY SIT DOWN OR THE QUALITY RESTAURANTS THERE, IT'S A DIFFERENT FLAVOR. YOU MAY NOT LIKE CHICK-FIL-A BUT YOU LIKE WENDY'S. YOU MAKE IT LIKE WENDY'S. NOT LIKE WENDY'S, BUT YOU LIKE WHATABURGER. THAT'S THE SAME WHAT WE SEE OUT OF OURS. WE ARE A VERY NICE WELL KEPT SITE. AND YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT SOME OF THE OPPOSITION MAY BE ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, CAR WASH OWNERS. AND TO ME THAT IS UNETHICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL TO COME AND SPEAK IN, UH, AGAINST ANOTHER BUILDING. IT'S LIKE A HOME BUILDER SAYING, WELL, DON'T LET THEM BUILD HOMES. TO ME THAT'S JUST UNPROFESSIONAL. AND WE KNOW THERE WAS ONE BEHIND US TONIGHT AND OUR INTENTIONS WERE NEVER TO SPEAK AGAINST THAT. SO WE'RE HAPPY THEY'RE THERE. WE'RE FINE, THEY'RE THERE. WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. UH, WE KNOW WE WILL FUNCTION WELL. UH, WHAT THIS PICTURE IS SHOWING YOU, UH, IS THE TOP LEFT LITTLE INSET. IT'S THE OLD, UH, GOLDEN CROW OR SHERLINE STOCKADE BUILDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE. DOWN BELOW IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THAT. IF YOU'D GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE REAR OF IT. WALMART'S RIGHT TO MY, UH, LEFT. AND UH, YOU CAN SEE ACROSS TO THE CAR WASH THROUGH THE TREES. UH, THIS WOULD BE ON ON PIONEER AND YOU KIND OF SEE IT. YOU KIND OF DON'T. SO, AND WE ADDED AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE, UH, EIGHT FOOT TALL, UH, SCREENING FENCE, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN. UH, THIS IS A GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE. THE OTHER SITE WAS PREDOMINANTLY IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE'VE ADDED 35,000 SQUARE FEET, MORE GREEN SPACE ON THIS SITE. ONE ACRE OF GROUND IS 43,560 WORTH 35,000 ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THIS SITE. UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE UP THERE THE TOP RIGHT CORNER. I'M GONNA RUN MY MOUSE ALONG IT. UH, THIS WAS THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT TRISH WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, OFF SOUTHGATE THE ENTRANCES I WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE ONE OFF THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE A JOINER WITH QUICKTRIP QUICKTRIP WOULD BE WAS IS IS JUST TO THE EAST OF US. AND ALSO WE LOVE TO BE NEXT TO QUICKTRIP AND QUICK TRIPS LIKE US TO BE NEXT TO THEM. WE DO FEED OFF EACH OTHER AND IT WORKS WELL. WE HAVE THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE ON WEST PIONEER AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON SOUTHGATE, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES WRAP AROUND. ONE THING I WANNA BRING AS YOU SHOW THIS, WE DO NOT ABUT RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE. WE ARE SHIELDED FROM RESIDENTIAL BY COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES ON ALL SIDES. EAST, WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH. I DIDN'T SAY IT RIGHT NOW. , NORTHEAST SOUTHWEST'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID. BUT UH, SO WE ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL USERS. NEXT ONE, RIGHT? NO, I THAT MIGHT BE ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UH, DO WE HAVE SOME OF THIS WE HAVEN'T COVERED YET? WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. I MEAN IT'S IT'S A LOT OF STUFF. WE DON'T WANNA BELABOR YOU WITH TOO MANY THINGS, RIGHT? UH, BUT, BUT WHAT WE CAN STRESS, WE HAVE DONE OUR MARKETING ANALYSIS. WE ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING 5 MILLION ON THIS SITE AND WE ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE WILL SURVIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AT 30,000 A PIECE. UH, AS AT 30,000 USERS. THAT'S OUR NUMBER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONES USE. UH, BUT WE ARE 100% COMFORTABLE [00:55:01] THROUGH THE RIGOROUS SITE SELECTION THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT THIS WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL, WE'RE ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT GRAND PRAIRIE. VERY, VERY, THE STAFF REPORT CONFIRMED THAT THERE WERE NO STAFF CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY UNIQUE CONDITIONS OR CONCERNS. UM, UH, UH, WE HAVE ALSO VERIFIED THAT THIS IS A FANTASTIC FIT UNDER THE, UM, YOUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, AND, AND YOUR LOCAL LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS. WE DID BRING ALONG, UM, WITH US TODAY A SPEAKER WHO'S LOCAL. UM, COUPLE OF THEM ACTUALLY BECAUSE WE WANTED YOU TO GET TO HEAR FROM THEM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT YOUR LOCAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY AND WHAT USES REALLY FIT WELL FOR THIS PROPERTY. MM-HMM . AND SO I'VE GOT THEM TO COME UP NEXT, BUT WHAT I DIDN'T ASK AT THE BEGINNING IS, IS YOUR PREFERENCE ON PROTOCOL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS NOW? I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION THEN THEY MAY HAVE MA AND THEN YES MA'AM. WE'LL BRING ANOTHER PERSON UP. YES MA'AM. HOW MANY, WHERE ARE YOUR OTHER CLUB? UH, CAR WASHES LOCATED IN TEXAS. I SEE YOU HAVE SOME IN TEXAS. YES. HOW MANY IN AND WHERE ARE THEY? RIGHT, SO JUSTIN BARNES, UM, IS, UH, IS IS WITH CLUB CAR WASH AND I'M GONNA LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S JUSTIN BARNES, VP OF DEVELOPMENT FOR CLUB CAR WASH 1591 EAST PRATHER ROAD IN COLUMBIA. SO WE'VE GOT 19 DIFFERENT SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR OPERATING WITHIN THE DALLAS METROPLEX. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE DENTON, MELISSA, UH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE IN MAYBE PUT ME ON THE SPOT HURST. WE'VE GOT ONE, UH, FORT WORTH ON THE BONDS RANCH THAT'S GETTING READY TO COME UP HERE SOON. UM, ARLINGTON ONE THAT WOULD JUST RECENTLY OPENED DOWN SOUTH IN ARLINGTON. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SITES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THIS WOULD PROBABLY FILL IN THAT GAP. I THINK KURT HIT IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. OUR MEMBERS ARE ASKING FOR US TO COME DOWN HERE 'CAUSE WE ARE KIND OF BLANKETING THE MARKET IN HERE. AND THAT'S OUR GOAL FOR OUR MEMBERSHIP BASIS TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DOWN THERE TO SERVE THOSE MEMBERS THERE. IF WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE BUSINESS OF OPERATING CAR WASH AND HAVE A MEMBERSHIP BASIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE OPEN AND BE AVAILABLE TO THEM ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, SCHOOL, ANY OF THOSE OBJECTS THERE TOO. VERY GOOD ANSWER. THAT WAS MY MAIN, MAIN CONCERN. HOW MANY MORE DO YOU HAVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO US? LIKE I SAID, THIS IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK IT MAY BE A CHALLENGE SOMEWHAT TO HAVE TWO OTHER CAR WASHES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, BUT YOU'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN YOUR PRODUCT, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA RUN THEM OUTTA BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WELL, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR INTENT. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR INTENT. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION IS GOOD AND WE WELCOME THAT AS WELL. UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. FOR SURE. I THINK WHAT ALSO WOULD BE HELPFUL, SOMETHING JUSTIN HAS SHARED WITH ME AGAIN, UM, WITH ALL THE SITES, HOW MANY TOTAL SITES? 264, THEY'VE NEVER HAD ONE GO OUT OF BUSINESS. MM. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU WANNA TELL US? AND THEN I CAN SEE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. MM-HMM . FOR THE OTHER, THAT WAS IT. GO LOCAL. YES. I DON'T HAVE, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CLUB CAR WASH? AND WE CAN COME BACK LATER. I DIDN'T. COMMISSIONER CHA. COMMISSIONER CHA. SO, UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. SO YOU SAID YOU'VE NEVER, ONE'S NEVER GONE OUT OF BUSINESS? NO. HAVE Y'ALL EVER SOLD ONE? UH, WE'VE SOLD TWO AT THE, AT THE VERY, THIS WAS PRIOR TO 2019. WE HAD 19 STORES AT THAT TIME. WE DID SELL TWO OF THOSE STORES THERE THAT WERE CLOSE TO OUR HOME OFFICE IN COLUMBIA, MISSOURI, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY IN SPRINGFIELD THAT WE SOLD THOSE TO. OKAY. THAT WAS NOT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE, ANOTHER COMPETITOR WAS COMING IN THERE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT MARKET BASIS IN THAT AREA. SO IT WAS BETTER FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND SELL THOSE TO WASHES THERE. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA BE THERE. WE TOOK THAT AND WENT TO OTHER MARKETS WITHIN MISSOURI AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN, UM, WHAT, UM, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU'RE GROWING FAST, RIGHT? SURE. IS THERE PRIVATE EQUITY INVOLVED OR IS THIS JUST A, A SMALL FAMILY RUN BUSINESS? SO WE'VE GROWN FROM THAT TIME. IT STARTED OUT OUR FOUNDER AND CEO IS STILL THE FOUNDER AND CEO TODAY, AS, AS IT STANDS, UH, THERE IS BACKING WITHIN THAT. OKAY. BUT OUR OWNER'S STILL THERE AND PLANS TO BE THERE AS WELL. SO IS THAT LIKE PRI IS THAT LIKE A EQUITY COMPANY? IS IT LIKE, WHERE IS THAT COMPANY BASED OUT OF? NO, IT'S CLUB CAR WASH IS BASED IN HEADQUARTERED OUT OF COLUMBIA, MISSOURI. OKAY. STILL RAN BY THE FOUNDER AND CEO THAT STARTED IT IN 2016, I BELIEVE. BUT NO EQUITY COMPANIES OR ANYTHING LIKE, LIKE THAT? THERE IS EQUITY PARTNERS IN THERE? YES. OKAY. YEAH. AND WHERE ARE THEY FROM? THEY'RE FROM NEW YORK. NEW YORK. OKAY. YEAH. AND, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LOCATION DOESN'T WORK? LIKE WHAT IF THIS LOCATION FAILED? LIKE WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD WE USE THAT PROPERTY FOR IF IT DIDN'T WORK AS A CAR WASH AND, AND WHAT, WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR? AND YOU CUT ME OFF HOW WE, WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S GONNA FAIL. OKAY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS HERE, THE, THE CAR COUNTS. YOU GOT 11,000 ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE WEST, 25,000 ON THE NORTH, 4,000 ON THE SOUTH. THAT TELLS US THIS IS 100% SUCCESSFUL. NOW IF IT DID SELL, [01:00:01] UH, OR IF IT DID GROW IT'S OWN COMMERCIAL AND THERE ARE A LOT OF USES ALLOWED BY WRIGHT ALREADY FOR THIS SITE. YES SIR. WE'VE NEVER SOLD ONE, SO WE DON'T READ. IT COULD BE REPURPOSED, BUT WE NEVER HAD ONE GO OUT. WE DON'T KNOW , BUT, BUT, BUT THIS IS NOT A PARTICULAR OPERATOR, UM, WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF CONCERN, UM, GIVEN THEIR TRACK RECORD. BUT TO BE COMPLETELY, I'M TRYING TO BE VERY RESPONSIVE TO YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. AND SO IF THERE WOULD BE A REASON TO NOT USE THE SITE ANYMORE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING AWAY FROM ALL OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE OUR LOCAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL TO COME SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET DONE, WHAT MAKES BUSINESS SENSE AT THIS SITE. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING THE CITY TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER ? DO YOU, SO YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPTION ON THE LAND OR YOU OWN IT ALREADY OR YOU HAVE A LEASE? WE'RE LEASING THE PROPERTY. SO YOU HAVE A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY. THE DEVELOPER COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. THAT'S A, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SEGUE. SO, UM, UH, AND, AND YES. ALFRED, PLEASE. WHAT IS THIS GENERAL? YES. SO HERE'S THE THING. I HAVE CARDS AND I HAVE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO FILL THAT CARDS. RIGHT. OUR NORMAL PRACTICE IS TO CALL OUT THE CARDS IN THE ORDER THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED. THEY'RE PART OF OUR, UM, PRESENTATION GROUP. OKAY. SO WHO, I'M SORRY THAT WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THAT WITH YOU BEFORE. OKAY. THIS IS TRIP AND THIS IS ALFRED. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. I'M SORRY MA'AM. THAT'S OKAY. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHO'S SPEAKING. SO WE KNOW WE HAVE CARD COMPLETELY. AND IT'S TRIP. RUSS AND, UM, ALFRED. OLA. THAT'S RIGHT. ALFRED'S THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER. SO HE'S THE LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S BEEN OPERATING THE PROPERTY. GO AHEAD. YOU CAN COME UP TOGETHER. OKAY. HI. HI. HOW ARE YOU? AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, SO WE DO. SO MA'AM, WE ALSO HAVE LIMITS ON HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN SPEAK, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S ALSO SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION HAS AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME. SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH SPEAKER THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP IS, IS SPEAKING ONE AT A TIME, THAT THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING AT THE BOAT AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF ONE OF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR RECORD. YEAH, I'LL SPEAK FIRST AND THEN ALFRED WILL FOLLOW ON. UH, TRIP RUSS. 2 9 7 5 BLACKBURN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. HOW ARE Y'ALL? I'M DOING PRETTY GOOD. GOOD. THANKS FOR HAVING US. UM, WE ARE THE GROUP BUYING THE SITE. SO WE ARE THE, THE DEVELOPER THAT'S, THAT'S BUYING THE ASSET. SO YOU'RE BUYING IT AND THEN LEASING IT TO THE CAR WASH PEOPLE. CORRECT. AND ALFRED IS WHO OWNS IT CURRENTLY. UM, SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE A LANDLORD, YOU'RE NOT AN INVESTOR IN THE CAR WASH. CORRECT FOLKS. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO EVEN IF THEY, IF THEY CHANGED, IF THE CAR WASH PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR MIND, YOU WERE STILL GONNA CLOSE WITH ALFRED TO TRANSFER THE, TO BUY THE PROPERTY. I, I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE THINK CLUB IS IS THE BEST USER FOR THE SITE. UM, AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY. UM, NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I JUST, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO WE'RE BUYING THE SITE, UM, OBVIOUSLY HERE TO ENSURE CLUBS, UH, APPROVALS. UM, OTHERWISE WE PROBABLY WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE. UM, AND ALFRED CURRENTLY OWNS IT. UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S SET VACANT FOR A LITTLE BIT. UM, SITE'S NOT ACTIVATED CURRENTLY MM-HMM . UM, SO BE CLEAR ON THAT. SO THE STUFF I, AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD NO PROBLEM. I DON'T GO TO THAT. BUT THE, THE TWO THINGS THAT SHOW ON GOOGLE MAP SATELLITE, THAT, THAT ALFRED, THAT BUILDING IS EMPTY. NOBODY'S PAYING YOU RENT TO THE EVENT CENTER'S NOT PAYING YOU RENT. THE APO, THE CHRIST APOSTOLIC CHURCH VOICE OF FIRES NOT PAYING YOU RENT. NO, NO. UH, AND IF I CAN REITERATE, WE REALLY NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NEED MAKE SURE THAT EACH SPEAKERS BE IS GIVEN THE LOGIC TIME. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, IS THE, THE BUILDING IS EMPTY THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW THAT I SEE ON GOOGLE. GOOGLE, THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. AN EVENT CENTER, UH, THAT'S NOT BEING ACTIVATED. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . UM, I'LL, I'LL SAY MY 2 CENTS. I KNOW WE GOTTA BE QUICK, SO I'LL MOVE ON QUICKLY AND I'LL PASS IT TO ALFRED. THEY GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION. UM, WE'RE BUYING THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE DO. WE LOOK TO BUY PARCELS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE ACROSS TEXAS. UM, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE TENANTS THAT ARE ON THE PAGE THERE. CHICK-FIL-A, WHATABURGER, STARBUCKS, YOU NAME IT. MM-HMM . UH, WE'VE GOT RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THOSE GUYS. MM-HMM . THE, THE SPACE TODAY IS IN NOT GREAT CONDITION. UH, IT'S A LARGE BUILDING MM-HMM . IN REALLY POOR SHAPE. MM-HMM . UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH A LOT OF USERS, RESTAURANTS, RETAILERS. MM-HMM . UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BACKFILL THIS SPACE IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION. MM-HMM . IT'S JUST NOT LEASEABLE. UM, YEAH. I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO OTHER CAR WASHES THERE ON SITE. YEAH. THAT'S TAKEN A CHANCE. YEAH. I MEAN, LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A MAJOR INVESTMENT, UH, HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND, AND AT THE INTERSECTION, ULTIMATELY WE THINK CLUB IS, IS THE BEST USER, UH, TO TAKE A CHANCE ON. MM-HMM . UH, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE MAKING A BIG INVESTMENT HERE. MM-HMM . UM, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE PEERS OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE ON THE, THE PAGE. [01:05:01] UH, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT ANY QSR, ANY FAST CASUAL, FULL, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, WE'VE SPOKEN TO 'EM, THE, THE SITE'S NOT LEASEABLE TODAY, UM, AS IS. UM, AND SO ULTIMATELY FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND, UM, CLUB IS NOT ONLY BEST IN CLASS IN TERMS OF THEIR PRODUCT. THEY PARTNER WITH THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE A GREAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOCAL TENANT MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL HERE. AND ULTIMATELY THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK, UM, TO KNOW THAT THEY WILL ULTIMATELY BE HERE LONG TERM. SO THANK YOU VERY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. VERY GOOD INFORMATION. YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, ALFRED'S LOOKING TO RETIRE. MM-HMM . UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BUY THE SITE AND, UH, I KNOW HE'S HOPEFUL TO, UH, TO GET THIS APPROVED AND, AND MOVED ON, BUT I'LL, I'LL LET ALFRED, UH, YES SIR. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UH, GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. LADIES. IS AND GENTLEMEN. UH, MY NAME IS A ALFRED. MY LAST NAME IS, UH, QUINLAN, A-K-I-N-A. AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE I, WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS, SIR? YOUR ADDRESS? UH, 10 25 WEST PIONEER PARKWAY. IN GRAND PARK. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UM, BEFORE I START SPEAKING, I NEED TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS . THEN WE CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL LIKE THIS FOR AN APPROVAL FOR EVENT CENTER. SO IT'S BEEN A GREAT TIME AND I REALLY, REALLY THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY MM-HMM . FOR WHAT WE'VE ACHIEVED THERE, THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS. AND WE DO A GREAT THING THERE. SO I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER A WHILE, 15 YEARS, IT'S TIME FOR ME TO MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS. SO THAT'S WHY I DECIDED TO SELL THE PROPERTIES. MM-HMM . AND, UH, I'M SURE THESE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED TO THEM EXCESSIVELY. THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB. I MEAN, SUPPORT OF BUYING FOR THEM TO BUY IT, INNOVATE IT, UM, MAKE IT AS A CAR WASH AREA. PEOPLE ARE SEEN THERE. SOME COW, UH, WAS AROUND THE AREA, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AMERICA. IF YOU DO A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB, COMPETITION IS WHAT MATTER MOST. IF YOU DO A VERY, I'M SURE THEY, FROM THE PICTURE THEY'VE SHOWN TODAY, THEY GOOD, A GOOD JOB AT THE COMMUNITY. WE LOVE THEM, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, QUICK TRIP CLO, WALMART. SO IT'S A LOT OF CAR AROUND THAT AREA THAT WE MAKE USE OF THE, UH, SERVICES. SO IN FINANCE, I WILL BEG THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND APPROVE THIS PROPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR HAVING YOUR BUSINESS HERE FOR 15 YEARS AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR COMMISSION. QUESTION FOR ALFRED. HOW LONG HAS THAT BUILDING BEEN VACANT? UM, IT'S BEEN MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I DO. MR. RUSS, WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES DO YOU OWN IN, UH, GRAND PRAIRIE? DON'T OWN ANY OTHER PROPERTIES IN GRAND PRAIRIE. WE'VE INVESTED A LOT ACROSS TFW THOUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . BASED HERE IN DALLAS AS WELL. VERY GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION. APPRECIATE IT. VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE CARDS. OKAY. UM, CAN I TAKE DOWN THE ? I'M SORRY, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU THAT BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE THAT'S ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, SARAH SMITH WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. UH, THEN MAYBE, SORRY, OUR CAR WENT BACK. DO YOU WANNA GO BACK? UM, NO, IT'S OKAY. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. YES, I'M SARAH SMITH AND I AM BASED AT 1591 EAST P HILL ROAD IN COLUMBIA, MISSOURI. UM, I'M THE CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER FOR CLUB. AND REALLY JUST, I'M HERE TO SHARE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. I KNOW ONE OF THE OPPOSITION LETTERS MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND SUPPORTING IN, UM, IN THAT CAPACITY. AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M HERE TO SHARE TODAY IS JUST ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND DONATIONS AND CHARITIES. I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT ONLY ONE PERSON SHOWED UP. AND I WONDERED, IS THAT THE NORM ONE WEEK OUT? I MEAN, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE HAVE THE SCHEDULES AND NORMALLY I'M AT LEAST TWO WEEKS. TWO TO THREE WEEKS WOULD BE BETTER. 'CAUSE [01:10:01] PEOPLE HAVE TO FIT YOU INTO THEIR SCHEDULE. THEY ALREADY HAVE A LIFE, YOU KNOW. SO I WONDER, WAS THAT JUST ENOUGH TIMEWISE FOR THE, TO ACTUALLY GET THE GIST OF THE COMMUNITY THERE TO, TO KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, THE, UH, AND I'M PROBABLY A BETTER ONE TO ASK THAT. OKAY. WE DO BELIEVE A WEEK'S TIME WE DO THESE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE DO BELIEVE, BELIEVE A WEEK'S TIME IS ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT. WELL, NOT REALLY FOR ME, SIR. YOU 'CAUSE I, IT WOULDN'T BE FOR ME. YEP. BECAUSE I, I AM BUSY AND IF I'M JUST GETTING SOMETHING A WEEK OUT, I MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY, I MAY WANT TO GO, BUT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO. SURE, SURE. BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY MADE ANOTHER COMMITMENT. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE TIMELINE. SURE. GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE GRACE. BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO PARTICIPATE, THEY HAVE TO REALLY FIT IT IN BECAUSE LIFE GOES ON UNDER. AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND DULY NOTED. AND, AND THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS, IS THE ONE JESSE WE DID TALK TO SAID MOST OF 'EM ARE RENTALS. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE. BUT ALSO ANY OF THE OPPOSITION LETTERS DID NOT COME FROM WITHIN THAT 300 FOOT, WHICH WOULD'VE, UH, ENCOMPASSED, ENCOMPASSED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. BUT IT'S STILL IMPORTANT WHAT THE PEOPLE SURE EVERYBODY THINK. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS AS WELL. SURE, SURE. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT WAS, UM, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED WE HAVE THAT. SO MAYBE NEXT TIME WE'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE LONGER TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, KURT, MAY I ASK, HOW DID YOU DE DELIVER? HOW DID YOU DELIVER WHATEVER YOU WERE SENDING TO, TO RESIDENTS? HOW DID YOU DO THE ANNOUNCEMENT? WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, CONTACT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL. HE'S KIND OF THEIR, UH, REPRESENTATIVE. AND SO WE SHOT HIM AN EMAIL BEFORE AND THEN THAT WAS DISSEMINATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU, YOU EMAILED ONE PERSON AND DEPENDED ON THAT ONE PERSON TO SEND EMAILS TO EVERYONE ELSE. HE'S THEIR MAIN POINT OF CONTACT ON THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE'S WEBSITE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, FOR THE GROUP. AND SO WE REACHED OUT TO HIM AND THEN HE DISSEMINATES THAT THROUGH THE HOA SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THE OTHER INFORMATION FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT'S TYPICALLY SET UP FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SINCE THEY ARE IN AN HOA, THAT'S THE MAIN POINT OF CONTACT RASHAD, IS THAT THE PROTOCOL? CAN YOU EXPLAIN, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THE HOA, BUT CERTAINLY TO YOUR POINT, THEY COULD GO DOOR TO DOOR OR SOME GO DOOR TO DOOR OR SPEAK TO THOSE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OR YOU CAN PULL IT FROM THE, THE, THE TAX BASE, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. YES MA'AM. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T GET A BETTER RESPONSE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT EVEN ASSURED THAT SOMEONE RECEIVED IT. RIGHT? SURE, THAT'S TRUE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD I FORGOT TO ASK YOU. WE, WES HOIT 7 7 7 MAIN STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 1 0 2. VERY GOOD. UH, QUESTION COMMISSIONER. HAVE ONE MORE. OH, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. UH, MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME BACK TO THE PODIUM. I WANNA KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS THE SCHOOLS, I LOVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS. I LOVE THEM. LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT. SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ALREADY? LIKE TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE BECAUSE WE NEED AS MUCH SUPPORT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN GET AND KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF STUDENTS AND SUMMER IS COMING. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOUR CONSTRUCTION TIME IS. YEAH. BUT BY ALL MEANS, IF WE CAN GET SUMMER JOBS AND GET STUDENTS INVOLVED, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. YEAH, FOR SURE. I THINK I WANNA REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT OUR COMMUNITY FOCUS IS TRULY A VERY DEEP ROOTED PRIORITY FOR US. SO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION, TYPICALLY WE DON'T START THE OUTREACH UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY WHAT'S CALLED UNDER CONTRACT. MM. UM, I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD AND TELL ANYBODY TO GET EXCITED ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP AND THEN GO, NOPE, JUST KIDDING. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO WE TYPICALLY WAIT UNTIL WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT AND THAT'S WHEN WE DO START THE OUTREACH. UM, I HAVE TWO PART-TIME COLLEGE STUDENTS ON MY TEAM WHERE THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR FULL-TIME FOCUS IS JUST REACHING OUT, FINDING, UM, CHARITIES FOR US TO PARTNER WITH, FINDING THE SCHOOLS THAT WE CAN GET CONTACTS WITH, UM, AND THEN HELPING TO DO ANY DONATIONS AND FUNDRAISERS. UM, SO RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU JUST IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, WE'VE DONE MORE THAN A HUNDRED DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIPS WITH LARGE PORTION OF THAT BEING FOR SCHOOLS WITH 264 LOCATIONS. IT'S A PRETTY PROMINENT FOCUS FOR US. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE SCHOOL INVOLVEMENT OUTSIDE OF THOSE JOBS THAT WE CAN HELP CREATE, UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE'LL DO AN OCCASIONAL, WHAT WE CALL LIKE A $5 WASH WEEKEND. SO LET'S SAY WE HAVE A SCHOOL REACH OUT AND THEY SAY WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE TO, UM, RAISE SOME INCREMENTAL FUNDS. WE'LL DO OUR BEST WASHER MVP, WHICH IS TYPICALLY $26. WE'LL DO THAT FOR $5 INSTEAD OF 26, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE $1 OF THAT FIVE BACK TO THE SCHOOL. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPONSORSHIPS THAT WE DO, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE SENSE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. MM-HMM . THAT'S GREAT. UM, UNLESS THE COMMISSION HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I THINK THIS SPEAKER'S TIME AS TIME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT CARD WE HAVE IS FROM ALLIE SANDOVAL, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE. WELCOME. STATE YOUR NAME AND [01:15:01] ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. HI, MY NAME IS ALI SANDOVAL. MY ADDRESS IS 34 25 STONE HOLLOW IN ULUS, TEXAS. SO GOOD EVENING PLANNING AND ZONING AND OTHER HONORABLE CITY OFFICIALS. MY NAME'S ALLIE. WE REACH, WE RECENTLY PURCHASED THE CAR WASH AT NINE 50 WEST PIONEER, JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED CAR WASH SITE AT 10 25 WEST PIONEER. I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING WE UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE DEVELOPERS IN THIS AREA. WE BELIEVE IN THOUGHTFUL GROWTH, AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF IT TRULY BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, IT SHOULD BE HERE. WHILE OTHERS MAY SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, UM, TO THE BUSINESS. I WANNA SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, WHICH IS COMMUNITY IMPACT. UH, THE MAIN REASON I WAS HIRED ON TO FEEL GREAT CAR WASH WAS TO REACH OUT TO LOCAL NONPROFITS AND DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE A PART OF. UH, WE ARE NOT OUT OF TOWN OPERATORS. WE'RE LOCAL OWNER OPERATORS. OUR TEAMS LIVE WITHIN THIS GENERAL AREA. WE DO BUSINESS ONLY IN DFW. EVERY CAR WASH IS THAT IS BUILT IS IMPORTANT TO US. IN TRUE TEXAN SPIRIT, WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO BUILD UP OUR STRONG BUT MIGHTY BRAND. THIS AREA IS PERSONAL TO US. BECAUSE OF THAT, WE TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DOING BUSINESS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE ENTER. I PERSONALLY ACTIVELY SEEK OUT LOCAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT. I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE HERE, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE BACK LOCALLY. EACH YEAR WE REACH OUT AND SUPPORT LOCAL NONPROFITS, LIKE YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAMS, SENIOR CENTERS, LOCAL EVENTS, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT DIRECTLY SERVICE THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. I HEARD YOUR, UH, COMMENT TO THEM A WHILE AGO. WE ALREADY OPERATE IN GRAND PRAIRIE. ISD TO TH THURGOOD MARSHALL LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. WE HELP MENTOR THROUGH THE HELP OF ACADEMY FOUR. WE HELP MENTOR FOURTH GRADERS IN THE AREA. THEY HAVE SHOWN THROUGH STUDIES THAT FOURTH GRADERS ARE VERY, UM, AGE, LIKE A REALLY GOOD AGE, IMPRESSIONABLE AGE. SO WE ONCE A MONTH, EVERY FRIDAY WE VOLUNTEER AT DIFFERENT DFW SCHOOL SYSTEMS. UH, ONE HOUR EVERY, UH, ONE FRIDAY EVERY MONTH. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE. WE ACTIVELY, UM, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITIES IN EVERY E SORRY ABOUT THAT . SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SITE, WE HAVE TO ASK, IS THIS THE BEST POSSIBLE POSSIBLE USE OF THE LAST REMAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT? A CAR WASH WILL PAY $0 IN SALES TAX. THERE ARE ALREADY FOUR IN THE SA OF THE SAME BUSINESS MODEL IN A MILE AND A HALF. ANOTHER CAR WASH DOESN'T EXPAND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IT DIVIDES IT, IT DOESN'T INCREASE OPPORTUNITY, IT DILUTES IT. WE BELIEVE THIS LAND COULD BE USED IN ANOTHER WAY THAT BRINGS NEW VALUE AND NEW SERVICES AND A NEW REVENUE TO GRAND PRAIRIE. WE'RE PROUD TO ALREADY BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THE RIGHT WAYS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE LETTERS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THAT THE APPLICANT GAVE TO YOU. SINCE THOSE COULDN'T BE VERIFIED BY STAFF, WE FOLLOWED THE CITY'S DIRECTION AND SYSTEMS AND HAD ALL SUPPORT SUBMITTED THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL. WE RESPECT THE CITY'S PROCEDURES AND WE BELIEVE ALL INPUT SHOULD HAVE BE MET BY THE SAME STANDARDS. WE'RE ALREADY HERE INVESTED AND ALREADY GIVING BACK. WE JUST ASK THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THIS COMMUNITY, NOT MORE OF THE SAME, ESPECIALLY ON ONE OF THE LAST VALUABLE PIECES OF LAND IN THIS AREA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROJECT IS BACKED BY LARGE NEW YORK BASED INVESTMENT GROUP THAT'S CALLED WILDCAT CAPITAL AND SCULPTURE REAL ESTATE. THESE ARE INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS MANAGING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND THEIR STRATEGY IS TO RAPIDLY SCALE CAR WASH DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS THE MARKETS. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD 19 IN TEXAS IN ONE YEAR. THIS ISN'T LOCAL. THIS ISN'T ORGANIC GROWTH. IT'S PART OF A NATIONAL EXPANSION MODEL DRIVEN BY INVESTORS RETURNS. THE OWNERS OF THE TWO EXISTING CAR WASHES THAT THE ONE IN WALMART PARKING LOT AND OUR OWN. THE OWNERS ARE SITTING HERE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT AS A SMALL LOCAL BRAND. EVERY LOCATION MATTERS TO US. IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER SITE. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S OUR LIVELIHOOD. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. YOU DIDN'T, I DIDN'T STATE THE NAME OF YOUR CAR WASH FEEL GREAT. CAR WASH. WE BOUGHT SPEED CLEAN ACROSS THE STREET. IT'LL BE OUR SEVENTH CAR WASH IN DFW. AND YOU'VE HAD IT FOR HOW LONG? TWO MONTHS. NO, MA'AM. WE BOUGHT SPEED CLEAN A YEAR AGO. ABOUT A YEAR AGO. SO YOU'VE [01:20:01] BEEN THERE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE A YEAR. YES, ALREADY. OKAY. UM, CAN THE COMMISSIONERS ASK ANY QUESTIONS? DID THEY HAVE ANY? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, TYPICALLY IN PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH OKAY. WITH SPEAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, VERIN NANA WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. HELLO. HI, MY NAME IS VEEN NANA. I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR ADDRESS CIRCLE. OH, MM-HMM . UH, UH, 1712 SMORE PEAK TRAIL. ARLINGTON, TEXAS. MM-HMM . UM, I'M A LOCAL DALLAS, UH, RED DALLAS GUY. I GREW UP HERE IN ARLINGTON ALL MY LIFE. MM-HMM . AND, UH, WE RECENTLY BOUGHT THE NINE 50 CAR WASH AT, I'M SORRY, THE CAR WASH AT NINE 50 WEST PIONEER PARKWAY. UH, AND CURRENTLY WE JUST CLOSED IT DOWN. WE ARE DOING A $1.4 MILLION RENOVATION ON THE, ON THE CAR WASH. UH, REPLACING ALL THE EQUIPMENT, ALL THE VACUUMS, ALMOST EVERYTHING IS IS GONNA BE BRAND NEW. AND WE'RE HOPING TO OPEN IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS. AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY ACCIDENTALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS CAR WASH ON ON FRIDAY. AND WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED. NOBODY TOLD US ABOUT THIS, UH, SITUATION. THE PROPERTY WAS NOT UP FOR SALE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO. THERE, THERE WAS NO NO MENTION OF A CAR WASH COMING HERE. THERE'S ALREADY TWO CAR WASHES UNDER CONSTRUCTION, JUST 1.3 TO 1.4 MILES TO THE WEST OF HERE ON PIONEER PARKWAY AND GREAT SOUTHWEST PARKWAY. AND THERE'S ALREADY TWO. WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ANOTHER CAR WASH TO BE COMING IN THIS MARKET. AND, UH, THE MODEL THAT, UH, CLUB CAR WASH IS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY A GREAT COMPANY, BUT, UH, THEIR MO ABOUT COMING INTO MARKETS IS THEY'LL COME IN AND THEY'LL SELL CAR WASHES FOR $1 FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, AND THEN THEY'LL SELL FOR $10. SO, BELOW THE MARKET PRICE, THEY HAVE TONS OF MONEY TO, TO, UH, UH, SELL, SELL CAR WASHES SO CHEAP ALMOST TO DRIVE EVERYBODY ELSE OUT OF BUSINESS. AND FOR US, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CAPITAL TO SUSTAIN OURSELVES AGAINST, UH, BIG, UH, COMPANIES. WE DON'T MIND COMPETITION. YES, COMPETITION IS HEALTHY, BUT THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL CAR WASHES IN THIS MARKETPLACE. ANOTHER THING IS THIS IS A TWO ACRE SITE, A CAR WASH. EVEN THEIR CAR WASHES NORMALLY ONLY REQUIRE ONE ACRE. SO THE, THE BEST USE OF THAT LAND IS PROBABLY SOME KIND OF A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING. AND LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, A RESTAURANT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE $370,000 WORTH OF, UH, UH, UH, SALES TAX ON A, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'D BE LIKE $3.7 MILLION THAT THE CITY AND THE STATE WOULD MAKE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY AND THE STATE WOULD ONLY MAKE THE PROPERTY TAX, WHICH EVEN THE RETAIL IS GONNA PAY. SO WE, UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST. MM-HMM. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, OSCAR SALINAS WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MR. SALINAS. UH, YOU NOTED IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION, SO I WASN'T SURE WHICH ONE. OH, YOU NOTED BOTH. I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE. OH, YEAH, NO, I'M SPEAKING OF THE OPPOSITION IN OPPOSITION. YEAH. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OKAY. GOOD EVENING. HI. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. OFFICER SALINAS, UH, 1150 EAST, UM, INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 20. UH, AND, AND YOU NEED TO FINISH YOUR, THE CITY AND STATE. GO AHEAD AND FINISH. UH, GRAND PRAIRIE. YEAH. YEAH. 7 50 52. THANK YOU. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK. I'M A REGULAR, UH, RESIDENT FOR GRAND PRAIRIE. I CAME TO GRAND PRAIRIE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO FOR CALIFORNIA. HERE. I COULD HAVE CHOSE ANY OTHER CITY, FRISCO, EVERY, ANY OTHER CITY I COULD HAVE CHOSE. BUT I CAME TO GRAND PRAIRIE, I WAS HERE FOR A YEAR AND I MOVED TO DALLAS, CAME RIGHT BACK. MM-HMM . WHY? 'CAUSE GRAND PRAIRIE IS ABOUT FAMILY EVENTS. UM, IT HAS BUILT A LOT OF THINGS AROUND FAMILY EVENTS, UM, HOW DO I SAY THIS? UM, SAFE FOR FAMILIES, KIDS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THE LAST THING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS TO SEE ME MOVE TO ANOTHER CITY. ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING CAR WASH WARS OR WHO'S BETTER, WHO'S BETTER IN THE BUSINESS. SO THAT BEING SAID, LIKE HAVING THREE IN THE, WITHIN A COUPLE OF FEET FROM EACH OTHER'S, LIKE IT'S JUST A, A HEADACHE PRETTY MUCH. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE, LIKE, MOVE OUT OF MY CITY BECAUSE I AM COMFORTABLE WHERE I'M AT. I LOVE GRAND PERRY. I'M HERE, I'M HAPPY. AND THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO DO IS TO MOVE. I'M JUST A REGULAR RESIDENT. I DO WORK. AND THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO HAVE STREETS BEING FULFILLED FULL OF TRAFFIC AND HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ARGUING ON WHO [01:25:01] HAS A BIGGER GOAL. SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, I DON'T WANNA MOVE BACK, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M COMFORTABLE WHERE I'M AT, SO YEAH. UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET, UH, CUSTOM, I MEAN EMPLOY AND NOT EMPLOYEE RESIDENTIAL INPUT BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE AND YOU LOVE IT HERE. AND WE'RE GLAD YOU LOVE IT HERE. YES. YOU KNOW, SO WE THINK IT'S, WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO COME AND, UH, SHOW YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS PROBLEM. ABSOLUTELY. YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WES HOBLIT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. HI. GOOD EVENING. DO I NEED TO STATE MY ADDRESS AGAIN? I KNOW I ALREADY STATED THAT FOUR. UH, I DON'T THINK YOU STATED IT WHEN YOU WENT UP EARLIER TO ANSWER A QUESTION. THAT'S WHY I'M GIVING YOU YES, YES. YEAH. WES HOBLIT 7 7 7 MAY, UH, MAIN STREET, UH, SUITE 1900 FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 1 0 2. SO I KIND OF, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ON THIS IMAGE HERE. JUST KIND OF WANT TO TALK. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M THE CONSULTANT WITH MASTER POINT CONSULTANTS, SO I SEE A LOT OF ZONING CASES AND, YOU KNOW, MY JOB IS REALLY TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT CITIES AND SITES TO KIND OF DETERMINE IF THIS IS A, A VIABLE SITE FOR USES. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CAR WASHES AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A RETAIL SITE. IT'S NOT AN IDEAL RETAIL SITE AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE AERIAL. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ACCESS AND THE FRONTAGE THAT MOST COMMERCIAL TENANTS REALLY WANT. THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SEE KIND OF THE BROAD, BROAD SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING. THEY NEED TO SEE THE SIGNAGE. UH, WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF EVEN SEE WITH THE OTHER TWO CAR WASHES, THEY'RE ON SIMILAR SITES THAT ARE NARROW. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES, 2.1 ACRES, BUT 40% OF THAT SITE, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED BY MY COLLEAGUE KURT, IS, IS LANDSCAPED. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY COULDN'T BE DONE IF THIS WAS TO BE A NEW SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH BY THE WAY, THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE DEVELOPER THAT'S SUPPORTING, UH, ISSUED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO THERE ARE SOME SITES THAT ARE VACANT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE BEEN UNFILLED FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. SO REALLY ADDING MORE RETAIL OR EVEN COMMERCIAL SITES, YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T GONNA BE FILLED. THAT'S NOT GOOD. I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROPERTY, WHEN WE DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WE ACTUALLY HELD IT AT THE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE GATES BLOCKING THE ACCESS BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, DO DONUTS OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USE IT AT THE, AT NIGHTTIME. THAT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF IT SINCE IT'S BEEN VACANT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CAR WASH USE, IT FITS ON THIS SITE AND IT GIVES 'EM THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE ACCESS POINTS WHERE TRAFFIC'S NOT GONNA BE A CONCERN. IT'S LANDSCAPED APPROPRIATELY, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE SO, I THINK IT EXCEEDS ALMOST ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR TWO OF THE STIPULATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT REALLY CAN BE DONE. IF THIS WAS GONNA BE A SHOPPING CENTER OR A RESTAURANT, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED THE PARKING, THE PARKING RATIOS, YOU KNOW, ONE TO 100 TYPICALLY FOR A RESTAURANT. AND IF YOU HAVE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S GONNA REMAIN PARKING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK IS REALLY POSITIVE OF ADDING MORE TREES, AS MANY AS WE CAN TO THE SITE AND WE'RE KEEPING THE EXISTING TREES. AND, UM, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW I'VE JUST REFER, YOU KNOW. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LOLITA. LILY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MS. LILY, ARE YOU SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? YOU, YOU MARKED BOTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. LITA LILLY 7 0 1 HAWTHORNE LANE, UH, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS. I LITERALLY LIVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES FROM WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THIS. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO STATE, I NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING STATING A MEETING OR ANYTHING, SO I HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THAT CAME IN AT. BUT, UM, ANYWAYS, I DID WRITE SOME THINGS DOWN. SOME POINTS I WANT TO TOUCH ON. GOOD EVENING. I AM A RESIDENT. I DO SUPPORT GROWTH. UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SMART GROWTH, UM, WITH MULTIPLE CAR WASHES ALREADY OPERATING AND MORE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NEARBY WHAT DATA SHOWS THERE'S ENOUGH DEMAND TO SUPPORT ANOTHER WITHOUT CREATING A SATURATION AND EVENTUALLY CLOSURES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT'S CLOSURES FOR THEM OR THE OTHERS. I MEAN, YOU'RE LOSING JOBS AND YOU KNOW, REVENUE FOR YOUR CITY. AND WOULDN'T THAT BE, UM, A BETTER AREA IF WE DID LIKE A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CREATE MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY TO PUT BACK INTO IT. BECAUSE WHO'S TO SAY THAT EVEN IF THEY COME IN, THEY'RE FROM OUTTA STATE, THAT'S NOT GONNA STAY WITH US. IT'S ALSO, UM, BRINGS UP, UM, TOPICS OF SEWER WATER. I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO FOR US AND HOW MUCH USAGE IS THAT? AND DO, CAN WE SUPPORT THAT? SO I, ANYWAYS, UM, , IF SITE FAILS, WHAT PLANS FOR REPURPOSING A HIGHLY SPECIALIZED BUILDING SO IT DOESN'T BECOME LONG-TERM VACANT PROPERTY. UM, I'D ALSO ASK HOW TO PROJECT, UH, HOW THIS PROJECT COMPARES TO OTHER USES THAT COULD BRING STRONG TAX REVENUE AND MORE DIVERSITY TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER [01:30:01] WHETHER THIS IS TRULY THE BEST LONG-TERM USE FOR THIS SITE, FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THIS DECISION ISN'T JUST ABOUT ADDING A BUSINESS, IT'S ABOUT AVOIDING A FUTURE PROBLEM. ALSO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. UM, BLAIR BUTLER DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WANTS TO NOTE SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. UH, PRASHANT PATEL WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM. HELLO. HELLO. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, MY NAME'S RASHAN PATEL. I'M 58 11 WAGNER, DALLAS, TEXAS. ALSO 1 1 1 0 ARKANSAS LANE IN GRAND PRAIRIE. I'M THE OWNER OF THE BAY WASH CAR WASH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WALMART. AS YOU CAN SEE THE STAR UP THERE. UM, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, LOCAL TO DALLAS. UH, I HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT ARE GOING AROUND TOWN, UM, TO HAVE THREE CAR WASHES. AND I MEASURED IT TODAY. I DROVE OUT TODAY. AND THE MEASUREMENTS ARE PRETTY RIGHT THAT YOU CAME UP WITH. UM, WITHIN 200 YARDS IS MIND BLOWING TO ME. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TWO OIL CHANGES IN THE SAME PLACE. SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE COMMENT ABOUT THE QSRS. WELL, A BURGER AND A CHICKEN SANDWICH AND A COFFEE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. WE ALL DO THE SAME THING. WE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. I HAVE A DOG WASH, I WASH FREE DOGS FOR EVERYBODY. SO, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM. IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF TUNNEL WASH, IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF VACUUMS. I MEAN, IT IS LITERALLY THE SAME DEAL. SO CLUB COULD COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE PRIVATE EQUITY BACKED MONEY. THEY CAN SQUEEZE OUT EVERYBODY ELSE. AND I, I MADE THE SAME INVESTMENT THEY DID. UM, I PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THE TIME, THE MONEY, THE EFFORT TO BUILD, GET INTO THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. I DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN HERE. UM, I RAISE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS, THE, ALL THE DRAMA DEPARTMENTS. WE DO OUR HALLOWEEN DEAL. I HAVE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND I'LL SAY THIS, I WASH PROBABLY EVERY POLICE CAR IN GRAND PRAIRIE FOR FREE. I DO NOT HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. OKAY? I KNOW IT GOES TO SOME OTHER CAR WASH, BUT I GENERALLY, OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF MY HEART AND MY COMPANY, UM, WE WASH EVERY PD CAR. UH, AND ANY FIREFIGHTER. I WASH 365 CARS FREE EVERY MONTH. AND I'M GLAD TO DO IT. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. OKAY? BECAUSE I WANNA SUPPORT OUR POLICE. I WANNA SUPPORT OUR FIRE. WE'RE CLOSE TO THE NEW, UH, NEW POLICE AND FIRE STATION. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. UM, THE OTHER ONE, THE, WHEN THEY MENTIONED TWO OTHER CAR WASHES ARE COMING, I REALLY REALIZE ONE'S IN ARLINGTON AND ONE'S IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A PRIVATE EQUITY BACKED JUST COMING. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, SOME WORK, SOME DON'T. THEY LEAVE THE COMMUNITY DEVASTATED. I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IF YOU GUYS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, TWO OUT OF THE THREE ARE NOT GONNA BE THERE ANYMORE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPURPOSE TWO SITES. COULD BE MINE, UH, COULD BE FEEL GOOD. I WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA SURVIVE THIS. BUT DIGGING TRENCHES, THE WAY THESE CAR WASHES ARE BUILT, IT'S NOT REPURPOSABLE, I'M JUST TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SAND OIL SEPARATOR. LIKE A, LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A PIT AT A RESTAURANT, OKAY? IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF EYESORE SITTING IN THE AREA. THE, THIS WAS SHOCKING TO ME. 'CAUSE THIS IS BASICALLY IN THE PARKING LOT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE MY PARKING LOT TO GO TO ANOTHER, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A PLACE WITH TWO OIL CHANGES IN THE SAME PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, OR TWO AUTOMOTIVE EXACT EXACTLY WHAT WE DO IN, OF THE SAME THING IN THE SAME PARKING LOT. SO THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT THAT THEY CAN OFFER THAT I DON'T OFFER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COMP COMPETITORS DON'T OFFER. I JUST WANT TO EDUCATE YOU ON THAT. IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S THE SAME THING. SO IN SAYING THIS, I'M VERY OPPOSED TO THIS OBVIOUSLY. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA DEVASTATE TWO OUT OF THE THREE. AND, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID, THEY COME IN DOLLAR CAR WASHES, DOLLAR WHATEVER. COMMUNITY LIKES IT FOR A WHILE. IT DEVASTATES EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY JUST SUFFOCATE AND THEN THEY JUST MOVE ON AND NONE OF THE MONEY STAYS HERE. SO, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS, UH, THEY'RE EXTENSIVE, UH, COMMENTARY THERE. I BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, ANY COMMENTS? UH, JUNE, HOW DOES REBUTTAL MALCOLM COMMISSIONER CHAA AREA, DO WE WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS? YES. YES. UH, DO YOU WANNA START THE DISCUSSION OR YOU WANT TO YOU, I'M SORRY, MS. MS. CHAIR. I, I THINK THE APPLICANT. YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE INFORMATION TALKED ABOUT HAVING TIME FOR REBUTTAL. DID YOU WANNA COME UP FOR REBUTTAL? YES. OKAY. SO THE APPLICANT WISHES TO COME UP FOR REBUTTAL, WHICH TYPICALLY WE PROVIDE. YES, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE FINE. UH, , I WANNA SAY I'M APPALLED. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 35 YEARS OF MY CAREER [01:35:01] IS, UH, PROPOSING DIFFERENT SITES, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL SITE, WHETHER IT'S CAR WASH, WHETHER IT'S MCDONALD'S, HARDEE'S, WALMART, YOU NAME IT. I'VE DONE IT, UH, FOR OTHER OPERATORS TO COME AND FALSELY STATE WHAT CLUB CAR WASH DOES. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT IN MY CAREER, EVER. HOME BUILDER TO HOME BUILDER, UH, QSR TO QSR, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS. I'M APPALLED. IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL AND IT'S UNETHICAL. HOWEVER, LET ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. CLUB CAR WASH DOES NOT COME IN AND DROP THEIR PRICES TRYING TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE OUT. THEY DO A DOLLAR CAR WASH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SARAH, FOR TWO WEEKS. AND ALL THAT MONEY GOES TO CHARITY TO BASICALLY SAY, WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT. THEY ALSO RUN A $10 THREE MONTH SPECIAL TO GET PEOPLE IN AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S OUR CAR WASH, HERE'S THE MEMBERSHIP. IT'S MARKETING. IT'S THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS. WE DO NOT COME IN AND RUN THE VALUES DOWN. MR. PATEL SAID, THIS IS UNRE UN REPURPOSABLE PROJECTS. I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. THAT IS, IF A CAR WASH DIDN'T WORK, YOU CAN REPURPOSE 'EM. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE SITE. WE'RE REPURPOSING THE CONV, UH, THE EVENT CENTER AND DO A CAR WASH. THERE IS NOTHING ON A CAR WASH THAT IS NOT REPURPOSABLE. THEY'RE UP HERE TRYING TO THROW STUFF THAT I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE I'M, AND I APOLOGIZE. I'M A LITTLE DISGUSTED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IN MY CAREER. UH, TO SEE PEOPLE, BASICALLY, WE DON'T WANT THE COMPETITION. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. WE KNOW FEEL GOOD WAS AFTER US TONIGHT IF THEY WOULD'VE STAYED ON THE AGENDA. AND THE LAST THING WE WOULD'VE EVER DONE IS CLUB CALL WASH IS COME AND SPEAK AGAINST FEEL GOOD. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. WE ARE PROFESSIONALS. WE COME INTO A MARKET. WE WANT TO BE WITH THE, WE WANT TO BE WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF CHARITIES. I THINK SARAH, IF THERE WAS TIME ALLOCATED, SHE COULD SPEAK TO YOU FOR THE NEXT 30 MINUTES ON THE CHARITABLE STUFF. THEY DO. 5 MILLION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN'S, UH, MIRACLE NETWORK ALONE. THAT IS JUST THE CHAIR CHILDREN'S MIRACLE NETWORK. I CAN'T TELL YOU, I DO TAKE IT A LITTLE PERSONAL WHEN I HEAR STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED FOR CLUB CAR WASH. I KNOW THE OWNER, UH, YES, THERE'S EQUITY MONEY BEHIND IT. THIS IS A PHENOMENAL COMPANY. HE'S A PHENOMENAL OWNER. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU TONIGHT IT WILL BE A PHENOMENAL SITE THAT WE'RE TAKING A PARKING LOT OF IMPERVIOUS. AND I HEAR THAT IN MY CAREER ALL THE TIME. IT'S JUST CONCRETE. JUST CONCRETE. JUST CON WE'RE ALMOST TAKING THAT SITE AND PUTTING CLOSE TO ONE ACRE OF GREEN SPACE BACK IN THE SITE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, BEAUTY, TO ENCOURAGE OUR PATRONS TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, YOU GOT A GREAT SITE. WE LIKE IT. SO, TRISH, DID I MISS ANYTHING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS WE WOULD APPRECIATE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL BE A GOOD, UH, CLIENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE WILL BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND WE WILL HIRE, UM, THE, MOST OF THE JOBS ARE GONNA BE GRAND PRAIRIE JOBS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM. UM, MOUTH. HOW COMMISSIONER CHA, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HANDLE THIS? YOU WANT US TO COME DOWN THE ROAD AND, OR DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST AND THEN WE COME AFTER YOU? SURE. I'LL GO FIRST. MM-HMM . UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR, ARE YOU TALKING TO THE MIC? YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. MM-HMM . UH, THIS IS VERY HARD BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, UM, WHAT LOOK WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WHAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TOO MUCH THERE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GO FOR SOMETHING ELSE THERE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S THE BEST USE OF THAT SPOT, YOU KNOW, UM, CONSIDERING THAT THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE CAR WASHES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY MM-HMM . VANTAGE POINT. MM-HMM . FROM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SEEING. I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT'S HIGH QUALITY. RIGHT. IT LOOKS GREAT. UM, I JUST STRUGGLE WITH HAVING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLES OF THE SAME THING IN THAT SAME SPACE. MM. YES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ARI. UM, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, UM, TO MAKE MIND SHORT AND SWEET, I AGREE WITH MALCOLM THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF THE LAND AND LITERALLY HAVING THIS MANY CAR WASHES. AND I WOULD HATE TO THINK ABOUT THE ONES THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF IT DID END UP PUTTING ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS. AND THEN HERE WE ARE WITH ANOTHER VACANT SPOT OR TWO, I MEAN, FULL AGREEMENT WITH MALCOLM ON THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE BOTH WITH MALCOLM AND, AND JANIE THERE. THIS, UH, I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT, [01:40:01] ALTHOUGH FROM STAFF AND THE PRODUCT ITSELF, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY MEETS ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AT THE, AT THE SAME TIME, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN THE BROADER CONTEXT IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CORRIDOR THERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BETTER SUITED TO HAVE A, A BALANCE MIX OF DEVELOPMENT THERE, UH, FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY CAN, CAN PROSPER AND CONTINUE TO GROW. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS PRODUCT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, UH, FKO, CAN I GO AFTER VICTOR? OKAY. , VICTOR, COMMISSIONER MEDINA. I MEAN, WE'LL START FROM THE END. I, I, YOU WELL, I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEANCE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. UM, I DO FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION IS GOOD, RIGHT? IN, IN, IN COMPETITION. ULTIMATELY THE WINNER IS THE CONSUMER, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THAT. AND, AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS, THIS IS SUCH A DOUBLE-EDGED, UH, SWORD, RIGHT? UM, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A WAY WE KNEW THAT ALL THREE CAR WASHES IN THAT PROXIMITY COULD SURVIVE, COULD THRIVE, NOT JUST SURVIVE. AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN EASY VOTE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW. THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFICULT. YES. GREAT, GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. YEAH, I, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, ADVERSITY IS THE MOTHER OF PROGRESS, RIGHT? BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK THE PERSON THAT COMES OUT WITH THE SHORT END OF THE STICK IS MR. ALFRED. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE HE'S GOT A PROPERTY THAT HE WANTS TO SELL AND THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BUY IT. BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO BUY IT IS GONNA BE IN COMPETITION WITH TWO OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN BUSINESS ALREADY IN THE AREA. I PERSONALLY, IF I WAS THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE WITH CAR WASHES, I WOULDN'T WANT YOU GUYS THERE EITHER, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S OVERSATURATION. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT TO COME IN AND PURCHASE AND BUILD, I THINK I WOULD DEFEND AS WELL. SO IT'S, IT'S VERY CONFLICTING, UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW I FEEL TO BE HONEST. UH, BUT I THINK THE PERSON THAT'S LOSING THE MOST IN THIS INSTANCE IS MR. ALFRED. AND FOR THAT, SIR, I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER FARGO, I WON'T BE SHORT, BUT I WILL BE CONTRARY TO WHAT EV ALMOST EVERYBODY SET UP UP HERE. UM, IN ADDITION TO ALFRED LOSING, I HAVE A FEELING THE CAR WASHING CONSUMER MARKET IS GOING TO LOSE. 'CAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, VICTOR, THAT I MEAN PERSONALLY, I MEAN, I, THESE GUYS THAT RUN THE BUSINESS, IT'S, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO, I WOULDN'T WANT A COMPETITOR THAT'S THAT. NOBODY WANTS THAT. BUT I'D ALSO DON'T WANT THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO BE USED AS A CUDGEL TO PREVENT COMPETITION. I HAVE. AND FOR THE THREE PEOPLE TO MY LEFT, WHEN YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF PIECE OF LAND, DOESN'T THE MARKET DETERMINE THAT? OR DO WE DETERMINE THAT? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE MARKET IS SAYING WE'D LIKE TO PUT A CAR WASH THERE, OR DO WE WANNA HAVE SOME SORT OF CENTRALLY CONTROLLED, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK GOES THERE. AND I'M TOTALLY NOT DOWN WITH THAT. BUT IF THESE GUYS FROM NEW YORK WANT TO COME AND PUT $5 MILLION AND IT ALL GOES UP IN A THING OF FLAMES, THAT'S ON THEM. THEY ARE BIG BOYS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO SPEND MONEY. I, I'D SAY LET THE MARKET FORCES WORK. I DO SAY, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON SOME FEW OTHER POINTS THAT I HAVE, I FOUND IT. DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT 0.7 OF TONIGHT'S WAS? RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHO THE PROPONENT WAS? ATHENA GOT TABLED. WE, WE THAT'S, THAT'S A ANOTHER WHOLE STORY. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. OH YEAH. WE NO, IT IT'S RELEVANT HERE, MADAM CHAIR, BECAUSE IT WAS THE LADY THAT SPOKE THAT WANTED TO BRING ANOTHER CAR WASH TO GRAND PRAIRIE. WELL, I'M NOT SURE WE COULD DO THAT, BUT IT'S IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA. I KNOW, BUT I WOULD PREFER JUST TO, WE'RE WE'RE ON THIS CASE. WELL, I KNOW, BUT I JUST, OKAY, I HAVE A FE I'M ALSO SENSING WHAT JUNE GOT. WE CAN'T PAY PEOPLE TO GIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND SHE WAS GETTING PUBLIC INPUT FROM FIVE MILES AWAY IN OTHER TOWNS. DOESN'T THAT BE A LITTLE BIT SUSPICIOUS TO YOU GUYS? MM-HMM . IT WAS IN. BUT EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ALL OF US HERE HAS AN OPINION. I UNDERST AND SO UNDERSTAND. BUT, BUT, AND THEN, SO WHATEVER YOUR OPINION IS, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR, YOUR OPINION. BUT HAS THERE EVER BEEN AN INSTANCE THAT YOU KNOW OF WHEN WE SOLICITED PUBLIC COMMENT WHERE JUNE IS SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE COMING FROM FIVE MILES AWAY. WE, WE HAVE HAD CASES LIKE THAT WHERE IT CAME FROM A DIFFERENT CITY, BUT IT YEAH, BUT IT'S PRETTY RARE. WELL, THE THING OF IT IS THE PRO THE PROXIMITY, IT'S NOT, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROXIMITY OF WHERE THE CASE IS COMING. OKAY. THE PROXIMITY, THE, THE THING IS, I JUST THINK THAT IT, IT IS GONNA BE TOUGH. THERE MIGHT EVEN BE ONE MAN [01:45:01] STANDING OR TWO MAN STANDING, BUT I, I HONESTLY THINK THE, THE MARKET SPEAKS BEST TO THIS. AND RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE, THE PERSON WHO LOSES DIRECTLY IS THE SELL THE OWNER OF THE LAND. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M GONNA SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL LET, UH, COMMISSIONER CHARI MAKE HIS, UH, MOTION. I AM TORN WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A DILEMMA. UH, WE ARE, UH, LAYPEOPLE HERE. WE ARE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS, AS TAXPAYERS, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINAL VOTE ON ANYTHING IS THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. AND IN MY PARTICULAR, WHEN IN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY SPEAKING, I LEAN TOWARD NOT APPROVING THIS BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO, UH, CAR WASHES THERE. AND THEN THE WHAT ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL CAR WASH? WHERE ALL, WHERE'S ALL THIS WATER GONNA COME FROM? IS SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE NOT HAVING WATER? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK, THE DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, UH, THIS, THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPERATION, THIS CLUB CAR WASH. AND THERE THE, IT LOOKS LIKE AN EXCELLENT BUSINESS AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE HERE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO COME WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY TWO CAR, OTHER CAR WASHES AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR BUSINESSES. I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THAT'S JUST ME, MY PERSONAL OPINION. AND THAT'S WHY EACH ONE OF US HERE HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR VOTE, THEIR CONCERNS HEARD. YOU GET TO VOTE, YOU NEED TO SAY YAY OR NAY. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE ARE TAXPAYERS. WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. WE, WE HAVE A VOICE TOO. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT COME TO TOWN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO, IT HAVE TO BE A BALANCING ACT. WE HAVE TO, UH, BALANCE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TO BALANCE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, TO ME IT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE MORE THAN IT IS A MONEY ISSUE. AND, AND THAT, THAT IS A HUGE AREA, A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ALL OF THE OPPOSITION LETTERS THAT WE NOTED SAYING, LET'S PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT, THAT WILL PAY TAXES. THESE, UH, UH, CAR WASHES WON'T PAY TAXES. IF WE GET A RESTAURANT, ANOTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PAY TAXES AND BRING SOME MONEY BACK TO THE CITY. WE ARE NOT GONNA GET MUCH OUT OF THIS ANYWAY. AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I WOULD JUST IN, IN SUMMARY HERE, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, I FEEL FOR MR. ALFRED AS WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, UH, MAKING THIS MOTION. AND, UH, I FEEL THAT, LIKE HE MENTIONED, IT WAS ONLY UNOCCUPIED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. AND I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE STILL GROWING. THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINGS TO COME IN THERE THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT. I HOPE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, VOTE TO, UM, DENY, TO DENY. MM-HMM . UH, CASE NUMBER ZON DASH 26 DASH OH TWO OH, SORRY. IT'S THE SUP OH, SORRY. I NUMBER SIX SUP. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SUP DASH 26 DASH ZERO THREE DASH 0 0 3. IT'S ACTUALLY THREE ZEROS. SU 2 6 0 3 0 0 0 3. THANK YOU. OKAY, I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO FLOOR TO DENY ITEM SIX SUP 2 6 3 0 3 BY COMMISSIONER CHA AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS REQUEST. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, ALL, UM, IN FAVOR OF, HOW DO I SAY THAT? ALL OPPOSED? ALL OPPOSED. THANK YOU. ALL OPPOSED? 1, 2, 2 OPPOSED. SO FOUR IN FAVOR. TWO OPPOSED? AND, AND ONE OF STAYING FOUR APPROVED. TWO OPPOSED? SO THE MOTION PASSES FOR THE DENIAL. YES, CORRECT. THIS ITEM WILL GO FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION FOR DENIAL, UM, BY MAJORITY, CORRECT? YES. [7. ZON-25-09-0034 - Zoning Change - Feel Great Car Wash (City Council District 5). Amendment to PD-217 to modify permitted uses within the PD-217 to allow a Car Wash (Self Service) with City Council approval of a Specific Use Permit on 7.296 acres. Tract 21, Charles Campbell Survey, Abstract No. 376, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned PD 217 and addressed as 1190 N Belt Line Rd] AND ALSO, ITEM SEVEN ZON 2 5 0 9 0 0 3 4 HAS BEEN TABLED. DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON THE TABLING? NO. INDEFINITE. INDEFINITE. CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT IN? YES. HAS BEEN PULLED. OH, IT JUST HAS BEEN PULLED. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE NO MORE BUSINESS. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 8:21 PM THANK YOU. PROBABLY THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.