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TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF MARCH.I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL BACK TO ORDER AT 6:30 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE ROUTINE ITEMS WHICH CAN ALL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.
HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA.
INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD.
THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA.
ITEM BEING CALLED, I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE, CHERYL SMITH.
HERE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS OF PRESENT WOO WOO.
AND NOW, UH, COMMISSIONER TAI CHAPMAN WILL GIVE THE INVOCATION.
AND AFTER THAT, COMMISSIONER MALCOLM CHARI WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE US AND TEXAS FLAG.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS, ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR PRESENCE AMONG US AS WE GATHER IN THIS PLACE.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, FATHER GOD, TO SERVE YOU IN PURPOSE AND IN PEACE.
WE INVITE YOUR SPIRIT TO GUIDE OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR ACTIONS.
LORD, WE ASK THAT LOVE WOULD RISE ABOVE HATE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD WHERE THERE IS DIVISION.
PLEASE SOW UNITY WHERE THERE IS ANGER, BRING UNDERSTANDING.
TEACH US TO SEE ONE ANOTHER THROUGH YOUR EYES.
VALUING LIFE, LORD GOD, AS PRECIOUS AND WORTHY, AND WITH DIGNITY.
FATHER GOD, WE PRAY FOR HUMILITY.
LORD GOD, REMIND US THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.
AND THAT WISDOM COMES FROM LISTENING.
FATHER GOD, GRIEVING OR BURDEN SURROUND YOUR PEOPLE WITH YOUR PROTECTION.
LORD, WE LIFT THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THIS LAND BRING HEALING WHERE THERE IS BROKENNESS AND RESTORE WHAT HAS BEEN LOST.
LORD GOD, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS MOMENT.
WE ASK THAT ALL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE, FATHER GOD, OUR GOVERNED FATHER GOD, UNDER YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY.
AND LET YOUR WISDOM PREVAIL WITH EACH COMMISSIONER IN THIS PLACE AND EACH LEADER, FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORD, FATHER GOD, AND LET IT BE HIDDEN IN OUR HEART THAT WE WOULD NOT SIN AGAINST YOU.
IT IS IN YOUR DARLING SON JESUS' NAME WE PRAY.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE US FLAG AND TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS.
THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT.
ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.
ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING.
SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT.
IF APPLICABLE, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM AT THIS TIME, CITIZENS MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS.
[PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA]
NEXT MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION IS APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA.THERE IS ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 10TH, 2026 PNZ MEETING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YOU CAN, SO ANYONE CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NOT FOR ITEM ONE, MA'AM.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER FEDCO.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO
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CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 10TH MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE MINUTES BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO.
IT IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[2. STP-26-02-0004 - Site Plan – Digital Billboard at 4330 S HWY 360 (City Council District 4). Site Plan for a Digital Billboard on 4.49 acres. Lodge Realty Addition, Block 1, Lot 2B, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned PD-140, within the SH 360 Corridor Overlay District, and addressed as 4330 S HWY 360]
NEXT CASE, PLEASE.UH, MA'AM, IF YOU CAN JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD, UH, MS. CHAPMAN, UH, I BELIEVE WISHES TO, UH, RECUSE HERSELF FOR PERSONAL REASONS ON THIS ONE.
SO DO I NEED TO STATE IT AGAIN ON THE, WITH THE, UH, IF IT CAN JUST BE NOTED IN THE MINUTES.
LET IT BE NOTED FOR THE RECORD THAT ITEM TWO STP 26 0 2 0 0 0 4 SITE PLAN FOR DIGITAL BILLBOARD.
OUR COMMISSIONER TY CHAPMAN, IS RECUSING HERSELF FOR THIS ITEM.
ALRIGHT, ITEM TWO IS A SITE PLAN REQUEST FOR A DIGITAL BILLBOARD LOCATED AT 43 30 SOUTH HIGHWAY 360.
AND THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN.
IT'S OWNED PD ONE 40, AND IT'S ABOUT 4.49 ACRES.
ON THE SCREEN IS THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE TRIANGULAR SHAPE IS THE LOCATION OF THE BILLBOARD.
UM, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW DIGITAL BILLBOARD IN FRONT IN THE AREA SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARD IS 80 FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT HAS 2 48 BY 14 DIG, UH, 14 FEET DIGITAL DISPLAY BOARDS.
AND EACH DISPLAY BOARD IS 672 SQUARE FEET.
AND THIS, UH, IMAGE ON THE SCREEN IS THE PROPOSED SIGN ELEVATION.
OUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS, NEW BILLBOARDS ARE EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED WITHIN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
NEW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ARE ONLY AUTHORIZED THROUGH THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING BILLBOARDS TO DIGITAL FORMAT.
UNDER LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE ARE NO EXISTING BILLBOARDS PRESENT AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, WHICH ARE PROPOSED AT LOCATIONS WHERE THOSE LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES ARE PRESENT MUST STILL MEET ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD DOES NOT MEET THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
UH, THE FIRST IS NO PORTION OF A DIGITAL BILLBOARD SHALL PROJECT INTO A DEDICATED UTILITY EASEMENT AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD PROJECTS INTO A DIGITAL OR INTO A DEED UTILITY EASEMENT.
A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED DIGITAL BILLBOARD SHALL NOT EXCEED 50 FEET IN HEIGHT ABOVE GRADE AT CENTER LINE OF THE MAIN TRAVELED WAY CLOSEST TO THE STRUCTURE.
AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD EXCEEDS 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT CANNOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING LINE.
THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD IS LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING LINE, CANNOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 1,500 FEET OF A PARK OR PLAYGROUND.
AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD IS LOCATED WITHIN 1,500 FEET OF A PARK OR PLAYGROUND.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE PROPOSED SIGN IS AN ELECTRIC SIGN AND AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN, WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN PD ONE 40.
THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD IS NOT AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
UH, THE 1983 COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, DEFINES THE ELECTRIC SIGN, UH, WHICH IS, UH, ON THE, THE SCREEN.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED SIGN DOES NOT MEET THAT DEFINITION.
UH, NEON SIGNS WOULD BE TYPICALLY CATEGORIES CATEGORIZED AS ELECTRIC SIGNS.
UM, THE 1983, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINITION OF OUT OR ADVERTISING SIGN IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THIS DEFINITION DOES NOT EXPLICITLY INCLUDE A DIGITAL BILLBOARD OR EVEN CONTEMPLATE THE USE OF A DIGITAL DISPLAY.
AND DIGITAL BILLBOARDS DID NOT EXIST IN 1983 AND WERE FIRST INSTALLED IN THE TWO THOUSANDS.
IN 2008, THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE AMENDED THE SIGN CODE ADDRESSING THE NEW TECHNOLOGY BY ADDING A DEFINITION OF A DIGITAL BILLBOARD AND ADOPTING REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF SIGN, THOUGH OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS UNDER PD ONE 40 MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, IN THE 1983, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD DOES NOT MEET THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, FIRST IS THERE SHALL BE A MAXIMUM HIGH TO 50 FEET.
THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD EXCEEDS THAT 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, THERE SHALL BE A MINIMUM 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD IS NOT AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES.
UM, SO BASED ON THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS DENIAL.
THIS CAN CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
YOU WENT INTO A LOT OF DETAIL DURING THE, UH, BOARD BRIEFING.
WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? UH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
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YEAH.YOU CAN USE ARROWS TO GO UP AND DOWN.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
WITH KEY ADS OUTDOOR ADVERTISING.
UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, HAVE ME IN THIS EVENING.
UM, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON, UH, OUR COMPANY.
THIS IS, UH, MY FAMILY COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1955.
IT WAS MY GRANDFATHER THAT STARTED US.
UH, WE'RE BASED IN DAYTON, OHIO.
UM, THIS IS OUR OFFICE IN DOWNTOWN.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE THIRD GENERATION.
WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING OPERATORS, UM, AND NOT JUST DEVELOPERS.
SO WE GO AND WE DEVELOP SITES, AND THEN WE OPERATE THEM.
AND, AND THEY REMAIN IN OUR OWNERSHIP.
UH, WE'RE DEDICATED EXCELLENCE IN OUR INDUSTRY, OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR CLIENTS, UH, THAT WE SERVE, AND THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH WE OPERATE.
UM, THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR ATTORNEY PUT TOGETHER JUST FROM LIKE THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
I'D LIKE TO KIND OF BUZZ THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO DISCUSS, UM, A BIGGER CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSION.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
UM, I WAS IN THE ROOM EARLIER AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND, UH, GOOD QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS I HEAR.
UM, ALL THROUGHOUT MY, UM, MY CAREER.
UM, SO I, I LEFT AND I JUST TRIED TO PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THIS PRESENTATION, SO IF IT'S SLOPPY, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT I DID WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, AS STAFF INDICATED, OUR ADDRESS IS 43 30 STATE, UH, HIGHWAY 360, UM, AMS, DELL STORAGE VENTURES IS, UM, OUR PARTNER ON THIS PROJECT WHO WE'RE LEASING FROM.
UM, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE FOLKS AND THEY SHOWED ME THEIR SITES AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME SITES.
WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO DEVELOP THEM, IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO TEXAS.
SO I LOOKED AT THE, UH, ZONING AND, UH, I WENT TO YOUR ZONING MAP ONLINE AND I SAW THE PD ONE 40.
SO I WENT THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD ONE 40 AND I'M LIKE, WOW, WE'RE GOOD TO GO HERE.
I CAME OUT, I DID A LOT OF INVESTIGATION, AND THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED THROUGH THIS, UM, PD ONE 40.
'CAUSE THE REGULATIONS ON THEM ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR ADVERTISING.
UM, A GENIUS IN THE WRONG JOB LOOKS BARELY AVERAGE.
OKAY? SO I DON'T REALLY GO OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE.
UM, I KNOW YOUR CITY STAFF HAS EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH, AND WE'RE LIKE A VERY, VERY SMALL PIECE OF THAT.
SO I CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO UNDERSTAND OUR INDUSTRY LIKE I DO.
UM, SO I'M HOPING TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION, SOME CLARITY THIS EVENING ON OUR APPLICATION AND WHY WE REALLY DO THINK IT HAS, UM, MERIT.
AND WE'RE ENTITLED TO THE PERMIT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
UM, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN, EXCUSE ME.
UM, IT IS A 14 BY 48, WHICH IS A STANDARD SIZE IN THE INDUSTRY.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT DIGITALS IN GRAND PRAIRIE, AND I'M LIKE, WELL, MAN, I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND.
I I SEE DIGITALS AROUND TOWN, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST CAME OUT HERE REAL QUICK AND I PULLED UP THESE MAPS AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT IF YOU CAN SEE ON 20, THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PD ONE 40 THERE THAT HAS TWO OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS WITHIN THE PD ONE 40.
UM, SO IF YOU ZOOM IN, THERE'S ONE OF THEM RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND OF THE CORNER OF THE, UM, THE PAGE.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE DIGITAL SIGN HERE, ANOTHER DIGITAL, UM, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
THIS IS HARD TO SEE, BUT TO THE EAST OF 360 IN THE GRASS, YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE AERIAL OF THE BILLBOARD THERE.
IF YOU ZOOM IN, THERE'S THE DIGITAL.
THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW, ON 360.
THIS ONE HAS THE STONE GOING UP THE, THE POLE.
I DUNNO IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT, BUT THE DIGITAL SCREEN, IT ROTATES EVERY EIGHT SECONDS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING MOTION ON OUR DIGITAL SCREEN.
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EIGHT SECONDS FLAT AND THEN GOES TO THE NEXT.UM, CAMERAS DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF TAKING THE ACTUAL PHOTO BECAUSE OF LIGHT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THE, THE DIGITALS WORK.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE NOT AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN MEMBERS IN OUR MEMBERS OF THE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA.
THAT IS THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY.
UM, SO THERE WAS A DEFINITION THAT WAS CITED EARLIER ABOUT OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN, BUT IT, THAT, THAT IS LIKE BY DEFINITION WHAT WE ARE.
UM, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING IS PUTTING A MESSAGE ON A SIGN THAT IS ADVERTISING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ON THAT PREMISE.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEFINITION IN THE 83 CODE SAYS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
UM, THIS SIDE NEVER GOT DONE WITH THIS SLIDE.
'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO RUSH IN HERE, BUT THIS IS THE O AAA LOGO.
UM, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MESS THERE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN, QUESTIONS ABOUT LIGHTING.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING COMES UP.
IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY, UM, DILIGENT ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG IMPACT ON A COMMUNITY POTENTIALLY.
WE DID NOT GET INTO THE ELECTRIC SIGN, DIGITAL BILLBOARD INDUSTRY RIGHT AWAY AS A FAMILY.
IT WAS LIKE, AH, WE JUST WEREN'T SURE ABOUT IT.
WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND IT.
YOU PUT A DIGITAL OR ELECTRIC SIGN UP, IT WAS, IT LOOKED GOOD DURING THE DAY, YOU DRIVE BY.
IT WAS SO BRIGHT, IT WAS CRAZY.
THE INDUSTRY WENT A LONG WAY ON THIS.
SO ALL SIGNS THAT COME OUT NOW HAVE AUTOMATIC DIMMING PHOTO CELLS IN THERE.
SO AS THE NIGHTTIME STARTS TO GET THE DUSK, IT AUTOMATICALLY DIMS A SIGN.
UM, SO PRIOR TO, UM, COMING OUT HERE, I HAD REACHED OUT TO A DIGITAL MANUFACTURER THAT WE USE.
UM, AND I HAD THEM DO A LIGHT STUDY ON THIS GRAND PRAIRIE SITE JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE AT NIGHT.
UM, WELL, LET ME SCOOT BACK REAL QUICK.
INDUSTRY STANDARD, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 0.3 FOOT CANDLES WITH AN AMBIENT LIGHT.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF THE LIGHTING IS X OUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER NUMBER THAT IS, YOU NEED TO GET MEASURED AND MAKE SURE YOUR SIGN DOES NOT GO ABOVE 0.3 FOOT CANDLES AT 250 FEET FROM THE SIGN.
THAT'S A NATIONALLY ACCEPTED INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT DIGITAL SIGNS ARE MEASURED BY.
UM, THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF, 43 30 STATE ROUTE, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 360.
IT GOES ALONG WITH A, AN AERIAL VISUAL THAT I'LL SHOW YOU.
UM, ZERO DEGREES IS, IF THIS IS THE BOARD, ZERO DEGREES IS DIRECTLY OFF THE, THE FRONT OF THE BOARD AS YOU START TO GO AT AN ANGLE FROM THAT BOARD.
LEDS ARE DIRECTIONAL NATURE, SO IT DIMS AS YOU GO.
SO AS YOU GO FROM ZERO DEGREES TO 20 TO 40, THE BRIGHTNESS GOES DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN THE, IN THE DIAGRAM.
SO THIS IS, UM, SIMULATING WHAT THE DIGITAL, UH, BILLBOARD LIGHTING INTENSITY WOULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT, PER HUNDRED FEET PER 200, 300, 400, 500.
TO GIVE YOU THAT, UM, IDEA OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT RESIDENCES.
THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT IS RIGHT IN THE BETWEEN 200 AND 300 FEET.
THERE'S A TREE LINE IN BETWEEN THE, UM, THE HOUSE AND THE SELF STORAGE.
AND AT 200 FEET, IF WE GO BACK TO THE GRAPH, EVEN AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THE LIGHTING'S AT 0.17 FOOT CANDLES ABOVE, UH, LIGHT.
AND WE NEED TO BE WITHIN 0.3, WHICH WE ARE.
SO WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE LIGHTING STANDARDS.
UM, THIS WAS PERFORMED BY WASH FIRE SIGNS.
UM, I'M GONNA BACK UP REAL QUICK HERE.
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SIGNS.THEY'RE A DIGITAL BILLBOARD MANUFACTURER.
IF WE GO TO THEIR, THEIR FIRST PAGE WATCH FIRE SIGNS HAS BEEN MANUFACTURING OUTDOOR ELECTRIC SIGNS SINCE 1932.
SO THIS IS THE INDUSTRY, IT'S THEIR ELECTRIC SIGN.
IT'S LIKE, UH, UM, AN AUTOMOBILE AND SAYING, UH, AN ELECTRIC, UM, A, A TESLA IS IN AN AUTOMOBILE BECAUSE THAT, THAT TECHNOLOGY, WHAT DIDN'T EXIST YEARS AGO, I, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE.
SO AN ELECTRIC SIGN IS A DIGITAL BILLBOARD.
UM, ANOTHER SIGN OR ANOTHER SLIDE THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO PUT INFORMATION ON, THESE ARE OUR WET STAMP DRAWINGS THAT, UM, STAFF DID SHOW, UM, FOR OUR APPLICATION.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ORDINANCES.
I, YOU KNOW, IN OHIO, PDS ARE USED A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE USED A, A TON HERE.
SO IF THERE'S AN UNFAMILIARITY WITH PDS, MAYBE THAT'S SOME OF THE, UM, CONFUSION ON IT.
BUT WHEN A PD IS VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL, IT'S VOTING ON A PARCEL OR GROUP OF PARCELS OF LAND, AND IT CREATES A ZONING CODE FOR THOSE PARCELS OF LAND.
THE UDC NO LONGER HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE PD.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE GO TO THE PD ONE 40 AND WE SEE EXACTLY WHAT MY INDUSTRY IS, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS, ELECTRIC SIGNS, THAT TELLS ME THAT I CAN BE THERE, UM, BY RIGHT SECTION 2D OF THE PD ONE 40, THE PERMITTED USES FOR COMMERCIAL TRACKS WE'RE IN TRACK SIX, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL SI, UH, COMMERCIAL TRACK OF THE PD ONE 40.
UM, IN SECTION 2D, PERMITTED USES FOR COMMERCIAL TRACKS, SIGNS AND IDENTIFICATION USES TEMPORARY SIGNS, PORTABLE SIGNS, ELECTRIC SIGNS, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING, COMMERCIAL SIGNS.
OFFICIAL SIGNS ARE POLITICAL SIGNS.
HERE'S THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE ITSELF IN THE PD.
ON THE LEFT HAND OF THE SLIDE, IT TALKS ABOUT IN THE PD, SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, UM, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP, SHOWING THE LOCATION BOUNDARY AND USE OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES.
SO AS TO REZONE PART OF THE J MOODY SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1007, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 360 AND INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 20 FROM AGRICULTURE AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SAID ZONING MAP.
AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED ON JANUARY 27TH, 1971, AND RECORDED IN BOOK EIGHT PAGES 4 0 5 TO 5 0 9 OF THE ORDINANCE RECORDS OF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREIN.
THAT'S REALLY THE MEAT OF WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO TO SAY IS THAT THE PD ONE 40 IS WHAT WE ARE ADMINISTERED BY FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.
UM, TO THE RIGHT IS JUST A VISUAL, IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT IT SAYS PERMITTED USES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL TRACKS.
THIS IS TRACK SIX, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL SIGNS AND IDENTIFICATION USES.
AGAIN, TEMPORARY SIGNS, PORTABLE SIGNS, ELECTRIC SIGNS, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING, COMMERCIAL SCIENCE, OFFICIAL SCIENCE OR POLITICAL SIGNS.
UM, THIS IS THE UDC GRAND PRAIRIE'S, UDC SECTION 7 1 3 PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UPON APPROVAL OF THE PD ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT MAY SUBMIT DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH WE HAVE IN THIS CASE, WHICH SHALL BE RE REVIEWED AND APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURES AND PURSUANT TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THIS ARTICLE, EVERY PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC AS APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY INVOLVED.
AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY THE CRUX OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, WHETHER WE'RE ALLOWED, WHETHER WE'RE NOT ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WHAT REGULATES US, WHAT DOESN'T? THAT THAT'S WHAT IT GOES TO.
UM, GRAND PRAIRIE PERMIT PORTAL.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE APPROVALS WE'VE RECEIVED THROUGH THE PERMIT PORTAL, UM, FROM THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, OKAY, I HAD TO GET THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF.
THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
UM, MY FAMILY STARTED WITH THE OLD SCHOOL BILLBOARDS.
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WHAT MY GRANDDAD STARTED IN.AND WE CARRIED THAT BUSINESS UNTIL 2009 WHEN WE GOT INTO DIGITAL.
WE HAVE 70 DIGITALS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO.
I'M GONNA JUMP AROUND, SO I'M JUST NOT READING THIS.
WE'RE THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT DIGITAL OPERATOR IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
UM, WE HAVE GONE A DIFFERENT PATH IN DIGITAL, AND WE DO GATEWAY FEATURES.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS AN ARCHITECTURALLY ENHANCED STRUCTURE THAT IN A LOT OF CASES, UM, WE'VE DESIGNED TO BE A WELCOME SIGN INTO A COMMUNITY.
AND WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE TALK WITH STAFF, WE WORK WITH THE STAFF, AND WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY LOOKS COOL, THAT EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, UH, BEFORE WE GOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY RESISTANCE.
IT'S JUST, UM, A POSITION THAT STAFF TOOK THE RECOMMENDED DENIAL BASED ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE AT THE TIME IT, WHAT THEY BELIEVE AT THE TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WHAT'RE BEING, UM, PROPERLY BY WHAT I'VE ALREADY STATED THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
HAVING SAID THAT, THIS IS WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO.
AND I KNOW THAT THE ZONING, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY UNDER GRAND PRAIRIE TO, UH, APPROVE OUR ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, DENY IT OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS CONDITIONS IF THIS MEETS, UM, YOUR SATISFACTION.
PART OF WHAT WE DO WITH OUR GATEWAY FEATURES IS NOT ONLY DO WE DESIGN SOMETHING WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE PROVIDE 158 SECOND SPOTS EVERY DAY TO EACH COMMUNITY THAT WE WORK IN THAT'S FREE OF CHARGE.
IT'S JUST THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
UM, WHEN ALL, WHEN THE WATER AND THE HARBOR RISES, ALL THE SHIPS RISE WITH IT.
IT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE BELIEVE IN.
SO IF WE CAN MAKE THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE OPERATE STRONGER BY BEING THERE AND, AND, AND BEING A POSITIVE FORCE, IT, IT HELPS US AND IT HELPS THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE DO, UH, EMERGENCY MESSAGING, AMBER ALERTS.
UM, WE'VE DONE TOO MANY OF THEM, BUT WE'VE DONE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO.
UM, WE DO, UH, SEVERE WEATHER ALERTS.
WE HAD FIVE TORNADOES COME THROUGH, UM, DAYTON IN, IN 19.
IT WAS HORRIBLE AT SHUT POWER DOWN EVERYWHERE.
NOBODY KNEW WHERE TO GO FOR WATER.
I MEAN, SO WE HAD MESSAGES PUMPING THROUGH THERE FOR THE SHUTDOWNS.
IT'S OUTDOOR ADVERTISING IS THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING ADVERTISING BEHIND THE INTERNET.
WHY I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE COMMUNITIES JUST LIKE GRAND PRAIRIE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ARE FACING THE SAME CHALLENGES OUR ADVERTISERS FACE.
THEY CAN'T GET IN FRONT OF THEIR A THEIR, THEIR, UH, CUSTOMERS ANYMORE ADVERTISING ON, UM, THE NEWSPAPER, OUR NEWSPAPER.
THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET RID OF IT.
UM, TV'S FRAGMENTED RADIO'S JUST HOW DO YOU CONSUME YOUR MEDIA? NOT LIKE WE USED TO.
AND NEITHER DOES YOUR CITIZENRY.
SO THIS IS A WAY THAT COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT OUR STATE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PARTNER THROUGH US TO GET THE MESSAGES OUT ABOUT THEIR CITIES, THEIR VILLAGES, THEIR TOWNSHIPS TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO, AH, I JUST KIND OF BLEW MY LITTLE EXCITEMENT THERE.
THAT WAS THE LIST OF GATEWAY FEATURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
THIS WAS OUR FIRST ONE THAT WE DID.
THIS IS THE DAYTON GATEWAY FEATURE.
UM, NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE STATE OF OHIO ANYBODY HAD EVER SEEN.
WE, IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, WORKED WITH THE, UH, CITY PLAN BOARD OF DAYTON.
UM, WE GOT A HECK NO WHEN WE WANTED TO PUT A, A SIGN IN.
AND THEN WE TALKED AND WE, WE JUST KIND OF KEPT GOING THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT IDEAS AND VARIATIONS.
AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
AND TO DAYTON, THIS MEANS SOMETHING.
UM, THIS IS RIGHT PAST THE DAYTON BURLAP COMPANY.
THESE ARE HISTORIC COLORS TO THAT AREA.
THOSE ARE MINIATURE MODELS OF THE, THE CITY OF DAYTON SKYLINE.
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IT'S BEAUTIFUL.BY THE TIME WE WERE DONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THE PLAN BOARD.
THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THEIR SIGN WAS GOING UP.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLIMENTS I'VE EVER RECEIVED IN MY CAREER, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, JUST A, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, AND EVERYBODY HAD DIFFERENT VIEWS, AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT THIS IS WHAT CAME OUT OF IT.
AND THIS, THIS IS THE MAR RAIN GATEWAY.
UM, THIS WAS CONCRETE TILT UP CONSTRUCTION BY MILLER VALENTINE GROUP WHERE THIS WAS LOCATED.
THE CITY OF DAYTON ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT A PROJECT.
OUR, UH, OUR ARTS DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WE NEED SOME WAYPOINT SIGNAGE.
WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME, YOU KNOW, VISIBILITY AND CAN YOU DO SOMETHING? SO WE PARTNERED WITH THEM.
WE COMMISSIONED THE WALL BEHIND THERE, WHICH WAS AN OLD TRAIN TRACK.
UM, IT WAS A NASTY TRAIN TRACK TRESTLE.
BUT WE HAD A LOCAL ARTIST, UM, DO THE PAINTING ON THE WALL.
AND IT WAS THE, THE ENTRYWAY TO THE OREGON DISTRICT, UM, WE'RE, WE ARE THE HOME OF THE RIGHT FLYERS.
THE ORVILLE ORVILLE, UH, RIGHT INVENTED FLIGHT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE RIGHT FLYER ON TOP OF THE WELCOME TO DAYTON COMING INTO, UM, THE GREATER OLD NORTH GATEWAY.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.
UM, IT, IT HOSTS THE LARGEST RETAIL MALL IN THE REGION.
UM, THEY'RE BIG ON THEIR COPPER ARCHES AND THEIR STONE.
AND THEY'RE THE COMMUNITY OF PARTNERSHIPS.
SO WE PARTNER WITH THEM IN MAKING THAT SLOGAN COME TO LIFE OUT ON THE STREETS OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
UH, BEAVER CREEK IS THE SECOND HIGHEST INCOME PER CAPITA CITY IN OUR REGION.
AND THEY CALLED US AND THEY SAID, HEY, WHAT WOULD IT COST FOR YOU GUYS TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AROUND TOWN AND, AND PUT ONE IN IN OUR COMMUNITY? AND I SAID, WELL, NOTHING 'CAUSE OUR FAMILY FUNDS IT ALL.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY DIGITAL BILLBOARD AT THE TIME THAT WENT IN.
AND WE WERE SUPER PUMPED ABOUT THAT.
UM, CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS CALLED US.
THIS IS, UH, THE LARGEST BRICK HOME COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS BRICK ON THE BOTTOM.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BORE YOU.
THIS IS THE WEST CARROLLTON GATEWAY.
YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES LEFT.
THIS IS, UH, SITTING ON THE RIVER.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE RIVER ROCK COMES FROM.
UM, THIS IS OUR DOWNTOWN BUILDING, UM, WITH THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAY.
ON THE FLIP SIDE OF IT, IT'S THE FIRE BLOCKS, UM, DISTRICT, BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS DOWN AT THE AIRPORT, UM, AT THE SOUTH DAYTON AIRPORT.
EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT SIZE, DIFFERENT SCALE BECAUSE OF THE AREA THEY GO INTO.
UM, CHILLICOTHE, OHIO FIRST, CAPITAL TOLEDO HAD A UNIQUE BRIDGE, WHICH THE TOP OF THIS SIMULATES.
UM, THIS IS UP ON LAKE ERIE, UH, WEST OF THE CLEVELAND AREA.
UM, THE, THE, THE TOP SIMULATES THE WATER OF LAKE ERIE.
IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE NUMBER, UH, TOP TWO TOURIST AREAS IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO HAVE FAMILY VACATION DESTINATION ON THERE.
THIS SITS ON ROUTE SIX, WHICH IS RIGHT ON THE LAKE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A VERY NAUTICAL LOOK.
UM, THIS IS HERE IN TOWNSHIP LIGHTHOUSE FINLAY, OHIO IS HOME TO MARATHON OIL.
BEING IN TEXAS, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THIS IS.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, AN, AN OIL DIGGER HERE WITH THE MARATHON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S A BOATER IN HERE, BUT THIS IS, UH, FROM PORTAGE TOWNSHIP, ALSO UP ON LAKE ERIE RED, RIGHT? RETURN IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING UP A, A CHANNEL.
SO TO THE BOATERS UP THERE, THEY, THEY GET THIS.
AND THEN THE GREEN BUOYS ON THE, ON THE, UH, OTHER SIDE OF A CHANNEL.
UM, THIS IS A VILLAGE OF SHEFFIELD.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE EVERY TOWN'S DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THESE.
THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE.
UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO EMBRACE HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
RATHER THAN HAVE A POLL AND A DIGITAL SIGN, WE'D LIKE TO DO A GATEWAY IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
ONE OF MY FIRST VISITS HERE, I SAW YOUR, YOUR LOCAL GRAND PRAIRIE, UM, GATEWAY SIGNAGE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT'S PRETTY, AND I THOUGHT WE COULD EMULATE THAT ON 360.
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AND THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF CARS GOING BY THERE.WHY NOT TALK ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY.
THESE ARE, UM, COMMUNITY MESSAGES THAT MY ART DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD RUN ON THE DIGITAL MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES, SO YOU, UM, I'M DONE, MA'AM.
I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AMBER ALERT AND THAT, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE.
I TELL YOU WHAT, YOU HAVE PUT ON A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION, AND YOUR WORK IS SUPERB.
UM, I'M GONNA SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FIRST, THEN I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS.
LAST, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE QUESTION? YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
I, I FIRST JUST WANT TO JUST THANK YOUR FAMILY FOR EVEN BEING IN THE SIGN BUSINESS, BEING, HAVING A WAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLATFORM FOR INFORMATION.
AND WHEN YOU STARTED, NOW YOU UPDATED WITH DIGITAL.
UM, AND I'M SPEAKING FROM COMING FROM A MILITARY FAMILY BACKGROUND, WORKING 26 YEARS FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE 40 YEARS AGO.
ONE OF THE TOUGHEST THINGS, HOW DO WE GET INFORMATION OUT TO MILITARY FAMILIES, HAVE ALL THESE GREAT PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, BUT HOW DO WE GET IT OUT? FACEBOOK WASN'T AROUND INSTAGRAM.
THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS WAS NOT AROUND 40 YEARS AGO.
AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION, BECAUSE, UM, IN THE STAFF BRIEFING, I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T THEY FOLLOW THE, ALL THE RULES THAT WAS LISTED HERE AND LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STATED, YOU KNOW, WAS JUST WITH, WITHOUT JUST DENYING IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CONSIDERED WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, I LIKE THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD, UM, BECAUSE WHEN I GET ALERTS, AMBER ALERTS ON MY TELEPHONE IF I'M AT HOME OR IF I'M EVEN EVEN DRIVING, UM, SOMETIME YOU HAVE TO LIKE, TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHY YOUR PHONE IS GOING OFF.
BUT TO HAVE A BIG DIGITAL BILLBOARD, WHEN THERE'S REALLY AN EMERGENCY GOING ON, IT ALLOW PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE, THE MOTORISTS TO SEE, HEY, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY GOING ON THAT THEN THAT CAR COULD BE JUST LIKE, IN THE NEXT LANE OR SOMETHING.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOUR FAMILY AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY GOING STEP BY STEP, UM, WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, BECAUSE THIS IS THE NEW WAY, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY OF MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITY IS INFORMED WITH THE PROGRAMS AND THE EVENTS THAT THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE OFFERED.
AND I JUST WANT TO, TO SAY THANK YOU.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER, ERY, MADAM CHAIR? UM, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A DIGITAL RENDERING OF WHAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAD OUR ARCHITECT PUT TOGETHER.
AND I'D SAY THESE AREN'T POLISHED BECAUSE WE START WITH AN IDEA AND THEN WE WANT FEEDBACK AND WE GET TO A POLISHED FINISH.
SO THIS IS OUR SITE THAT OUR ARCHITECT HAD, UH, BEGUN TO LAY OUT THE SITE PLAN.
UM, I THINK MAYBE BACK IN OCTOBER.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE, THAT HAND SKETCH.
UM, I'VE GOT IT, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE IN MY FILE THERE.
AND SO BASICALLY THE WAY THIS WORKS IS, IS IF YOU WERE TO GET IT APPROVED, YOU WOULD SELL ADVERTISING ON IT.
AND ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS TO WHAT TYPE OF ADS WOULD BE FEATURED ON THE SCREEN? YES, SIR.
UM, WE ARE A PRIVATE, A HUNDRED PERCENT PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY.
UM, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY VALUES POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR LEASES, UM, THAT GOES WELL AND ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED, UM, BY JUST TYPICAL REGULATIONS.
UM, SO IN MY COMMUNITY, MY KIDS ARE GOING, THEY'RE IN MY CAR, AND THEY GO BY MY SIGNS AND THEY SEE THE MESSAGES ON THE SIGNS, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE MY COMMUNITY VALUES, UM, UH, EXCERPT FROM MY LEASE.
SO, I MEAN, I'M, IT'S NOT A, A MYSTERY.
SO YES, THERE'S CONDITIONS ON, ON WHAT WE DO.
COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I HAD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
I, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH, UM, THE FACT
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THAT THE WAY OUR, UH, ORDINANCES WORK IS THAT IF YOU HAD, IF A SIGN WAS ALREADY THERE MM-HMMTHEN YOU COULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN TO DIGITALLY, UH, MAKE THAT UPGRADE.
BUT SINCE THERE WAS NO SIGN THERE, AND THE FOCUS IS NOT TO HAVE THE DIGITAL SIGNS, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND THEN EVEN LOOKING AT, AT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, VARIANCES.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING ANY OF THAT.
YOU, YOU'RE NOT JUSTIFYING ANY OF THAT TO ME.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I DO.
BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU ARE NOT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE UDC OR WITH WHAT GRAND PRAIRIE IS ACCUSTOMED TO.
UM, MAY I RESPOND, MA'AM? MM-HMM
SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN SAID THAT WE DON'T MEET MM-HMM
ARE IN THE UDC THAT DOES NOT HAVE BEARING ON A PD ONE 40.
I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON FROM WHERE YOU, YOU'RE FROM A DIFFERENT STATE IN, IN THE, THE, THE RULES.
BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THAT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THE BEST.
AND IF THEY TELL US THAT THIS IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE TO WHAT WE, UH, WE HAVE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR CITY SURE.
THEN I, I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO, AND SO WHEN, IN HAVING THAT, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESISTANCE TO CONSIDERING, TO THINKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE MAYBE YOU WOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER LOCATION, AND THEN YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG CONCERNS I HAVE.
UH, I THINK THEY'RE VALID CONCERNS.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE I STARTED THE CONVERSATION.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT THIS INVOCATION.
WHOEVER'S DID THE INVOCATION, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
I'M SITTING THERE, I'M LIKE, WOW.
YOU KNOW, USUALLY YOU COME IN SOMEWHERE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M LIKE, WHY? THIS IS AWESOME.
SO I, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO CONVERSATION.
I CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PD ONE 40 AND WE ADHERE TO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET SETBACK FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, PLUS HALF OF THE HEIGHT ABOVE THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, THE OVER 36 FEET WE'RE 47 FEET.
I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE TECHNICALITIES OF THAT.
I WILL LET THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ADDRESS THAT.
BUT, BUT THAT, THAT IS MY CONCERN.
THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE PRESENTED WERE BEAUTIFUL.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND WHAT IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
AND THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THERE'S SO MANY VARIANCES THAT I, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I'M, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TALK ALONG 'CAUSE I WANT MY OTHER COMMISSION HERE.
COMMISSION FOR DURO, HE HAS SOME CONCERNS AS WELL.
WELL, I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I, I'D LOVE TO SIT WITH YOUR STAFF AND, AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PARTICULARS THAT WE MADE, PAINSTAKINGLY PURPOSEFUL, THAT WE PASS ALL OF THE REGULATIONS OF THE PD.
THEY'RE IN THERE AND WE FOLLOWED 'EM.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL THE MEASUREMENTS THAT WE DO ON OUR SITE PLAN.
IT WASN'T, UM, LET'S JUST PUT IT HERE.
WE'LL LET THEM RESPOND TO THAT, MA'AM.
SO, MR. KEYS, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND IT OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPRESSIVE THAT YOUR FAMILY HAS DONE THREE GENERATIONS OF SIGNS.
BUT I JUST WANNA LOOK AT THIS KIND OF FROM A LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE.
YOU, YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH PD ONE 40.
AND THEREFORE, BY RIGHT WITH NO DISCRETION ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL OR THE PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT THIS BILLBOARD IN AS PROPOSED.
THAT IS THAT THAT JUST A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION? YES, SIR.
SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIT INTO ONE OF THESE TWO SAFE HARBORS THAT YOU'RE EITHER AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
IS THAT ALSO CORRECT? IT'S ACTUALLY BOTH.
BUT IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE THOSE TWO.
'CAUSE IF IT'S A DIGITAL BILLBOARD, THEN YOUR WHOLE CASE GOES DOWN THE DRAIN.
UM, IT, IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU, I, I DIDN'T WRITE THE ELECTRIC SIGN CODE IN 1971, BUT I MEAN, BUT WE, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT WE DO AGREE THAT THE TWO SAFE HARBORS, THE ONLY TWO SAFE HARBORS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO IS EITHER AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR AN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
WE HAVE, UM, IN THE PAST MM-HMM
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APPLICANTS HAVE, UM, SORRY.WHEN THE STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT AN APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT TO DO A CERTAIN ACTIVITY MM-HMM
THE STAFF IS UNEQUIVOCAL IN TELLING US THAT IF YOU DENY THEM THIS RIGHT THERE, THE CITY COULD FACE LITIGATION AND LOSE IN THIS INSTANCE.
AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, OR I'LL, I'LL ASK YOU IF YOU DO AGREE WITH ME, YOU CARRY THE BURDEN OF CONVINCING THIS COMMISSION THAT THE WAY THAT ALL OF THEM SEE THIS, HOW YOUR SIGN FITS INTO ELECTRIC SIGN OR OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN IS ERRONEOUS.
AND YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE US AS TO WHY THE STAFF IS WRONG AND YOU ARE CORRECT.
IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR? UM, I, I THINK IT'S, UH, WHAT PART OF YOU ARE YOU ASKING IS FAIR? SO THE PART THAT YOU CARRY THE BURDEN OF CONVINCING ME THAT SAVANNAH MISREAD THE, UH, THE REGULATIONS, UM, THAT'S UP TO YOUR STATE LAW.
I, NO, I THINK, I DON'T WANT TO PUT SAVANNAH IN A, A POSITION.
I DON'T NEED TO CALL HER OUT BY NAME.
BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING THE STAFF IS READING THE REGULATIONS WRONG? I AM.
AND THEREFORE YOU CARRY THE BURDEN OF SHOWING US THAT THAT'S WRONG.
I'M SHOWING YOU YOUR, YOUR CODE THAT SAYS I'M RIGHT.
IN MY OPINION, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU CARRY THAT BURDEN, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? UM,
I LOVE, I LOVE YOUR PRESENTATION.
BUT MY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU PITCHED TO THE WRONG PEOPLE.
'CAUSE I FIND IT DIFFICULT NOT TO BELIEVE THE STAFF.
I KNOW THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE A GOOD HOMEWORK, AND I USE THEM AS MY GPA EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION.
SO I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO VOTE AGAINST THEM POSITION.
IF I WAS A COMMISSION, I'D FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AND I, AND I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ADVERSARIAL TO STAFF, AND I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
I, I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT SAYS PERMITTED USES, OKAY.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION.
THE COMMISSIONER PERMITTED USES COMMISSIONER COLEY, WHY DON'T YOU SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE STAFF AND SEE IF YOU GUYS CAN COME ON NEXT.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I WAS TOLD IN, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN ACCEPT OUR APPLICATION TO BEGIN WITH.
IN DECEMBER, I DID A, A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING AND WE WERE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT.
AND I HAD TO FORCE THE ISSUE TO SUBMIT.
I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT A DIGITAL BILLBOARD UP, WHICH OUR SITE PLAN IS, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I WANT TO DO.
UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I CAME HERE PERSONALLY AND NOT MY ATTORNEY.
BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE, WE UNDERSTAND, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THE MAIN THING WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE ALL LAY PEOPLE.
WE ARE JUST HEARING IT AS CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT FOR GRAND PRAIRIE.
'CAUSE WE WANT GRAND PRAIRIE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND CONTINUE TO GROW.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MEDINA? UM, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
MADAM CHAIR'S OPENING COMMENTS.
WERE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT WHEN THE STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
90 TO 95% OF THE TIME WE GO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND THIS INSTANCE, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION HAS MANAGED TO SWAY ME, AT LEAST ME.
UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I, I REALLY, I LIKE YOUR PRODUCT AND I LIKE YOUR PASSION.
UH, AND, UM, I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE CONSIDER IT.
LIKE I SAID, WE, WE DO GO WITH WHAT THEY SAY 90, 95% OF THE TIME, BUT NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IN THIS INSTANCE, I'LL BE VOTING FOR YOU.
MR. KINGS, AGAIN, THE CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR, UH, PASSION AND, UH, THE PRODUCT THAT YOU HAVE CERTAINLY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I GO BACK TO THE, UM, HOW COMPLIANCE OR THE VARIANCES SORT ARE LISTED THERE.
I WOULD'VE, UH, REFERRED TO THOSE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, DONE UPFRONT BEFORE I GOT TO THIS COMMISSION.
UM, BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T AGREE THAT BY RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT THAT, UH, THAT SIGN THERE.
ARE WE GETTING INTO TERMINOLOGY AND DEFINITIONS AS TO WHAT'S AN ELECTRIC SIGN VERSUS A DIGITAL SIGN? TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I MEAN, THE TECHNOLOGY WORLD, AND I KNOW WHAT DIGITAL, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU KNOW, IN ELECTRIC, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS IN THE, UH,
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WHEN IT WAS FIRST INSTITUTED, THE, THE ELECTRIC SIGN WAS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW TODAY.ALTHOUGH I, I LIKE THE PRODUCT.
I THINK THERE'S, UH, SOME MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN WORKING WITH THE STAFF.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION OR, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE BEING DENIED UNTIL MONDAY.
SO I'M THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED.
SO THAT'S WHERE, FOR ME, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'RE JUST THE LAY PEOPLE THAT GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN YOU GO, YOU GO GO BEFORE COUNCIL AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY MAY, A LOT OF TIMES THEY, THEY WON'T AGREE WITH WHAT OUR RENDERING IS.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE, SO THIS IS JUST A CONVERSATION.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, EVERY PERSON ON THIS, UH, IN THIS COMMISSION HAS A VOTE, INDIVIDUAL VOTE.
AND WE DON'T ALL THINK ALIKE, JUST KNOW THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS JUST A FIRST PHASE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO, TO BE COMPLETELY TROUBLED BECAUSE WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, IT'S, IT'LL STILL BE HAVE TO BE TAKEN TO COUNSEL.
YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST KNOW THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU'VE HAD A, AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT YOU WERE NOT, THERE WAS NO SIGN THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THEN IF THERE, IF THERE WAS A SIGN ON THAT PROPERTY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN FOR YOU TO DO DIGITAL.
BUT IT DID, THERE WAS NO SIGN THERE.
SO WITH THE WAY THAT THE WE ARE, IT'S SET UP.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT A SIGN THERE.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS TO ME BASED ON, ON WHAT I HAVE READ AND WHAT I SEE BASED ON OUR GUIDELINES.
AND THAT IT GETS, AND IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY VARIANCES.
IT'S, THAT'S, IT'S HARDER FOR ME BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE, SEE HOW YOU CAN COMPLETELY GO AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS TELLING YOU.
AND THEY DO THIS WORK EVERY DAY.
I, SO I, THAT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
I JUST WANNA SAY ON RECORD, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES IN OUR, IN OUR VIEW, BECAUSE WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD.
WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
WE GONNA, WE GONNA LEAVE AT THAT.
BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF, IF YOU WEREN'T GIVEN INFORMATION YOU THOUGHT YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD IN A, YOU KNOW, TIME TO MAYBE REVISIT WITH PLANNING BEFORE COMING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND CLOSE OUT THIS, UH, YES, MA'AM.
DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING RASH TO THAT? YOU OR SAVANNAH? JULIE, AFTER, UH, THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION, I HAVE SOME LEGAL.
I DID, DID YOU, WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID WITH REGARD TO, UH, PROCESSES AND GUIDELINES AND, AND LAW, CAN YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD.
I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS, UH, ADDRESSED THE ISSUE AT HAND.
UM, I'LL SAY THAT STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, QUITE SOME TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH, PROVIDING OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION IN ADVANCE, UH, THAT THIS DID NOT MEET THE STANDARDS BY WHICH, UH, WITHIN PD ONE 40 THAT HE BELIEVES IT DOES, HIS INTERPRETATION IS INCORRECT IN OUR EYES.
WE'VE TALKED TO OUR LEGAL TEAM AS WELL.
UM, SO IN ANY INSTANCE WHERE A PD DOES NOT APPLY TO WHATEVER USE, UH, A PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DO ON A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, THAT REGULATION FALLS TO THE UDC.
SO I BELIEVE YOU'RE INCORRECT IN WAY, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT PD ONE 40 COMPLIES AND, AND ABSOLVES THE UDC FROM EVERYTHING.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE BECAUSE THE INTERPRETATION THAT YOU FEEL, UH, YOUR SIGN FALLS UNDER ELECTRIC SIGN AND, UM, THE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN, IT DOES NOT MEET THAT DEFINITION.
SO WITH THAT, THE UDC APPLIES HERE, AND THE UC PROHIBITS DIGITAL BILLBOARD SIGNS.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF YOUR APPLICATION.
AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL, I MEAN, NOT COUNCIL, BUT COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION HAS FELT THE SAME WAY.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE WITH YOUR VOTE, BUT I THINK TRULY HAS SOME, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU DO VOTE, TRULY HAS SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL NEED TO BE STATED.
WITH REGARD TO YOUR, UH, VOTE, I DID WANNA ADD IN TERMS OF RASHAD, WHAT RASHAD SAID.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PD ONE 40, ALSO, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER THAT THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED UNDER PD ONE 40, YOU WOULD LOOK TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S REFERENCES TO THE
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1983 ZONING ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET AND THE DEFINITIONS OF ELECTRIC SIGN AND OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS.UM, BECAUSE THE PD DOES RELY STILL, THE PD DOESN'T SUPERSEDE THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
IT SUPERSEDES IT IN TERMS OF USAGE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, FOR THINGS LIKE DEFINITIONS, FOR THINGS LIKE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, IF THE PD IS SILENT TO THAT.
UM, I WANTED TO BRING UP LEGALLY, IN TERMS OF THIS ITEM, YOU HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS.
IF YOU CAN GIMME A MOMENT TO PULL UP THE REQUIREMENTS HERE.
UM, SINCE THIS IS A SITE PLAN, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS IN TERMS OF YOUR, UM, ACTION TONIGHT.
UM, AS, UH, THE APPLICANT STATED, YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PER AS REQUESTED.
YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ENUMERATED SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
UM, THE THIRD OPTION, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO DENY THE REQUEST, UH, PURSUANT TO STATE LAW, IF YOU WERE TO, UM, FOR A SITE PLAN OR PLAT APPROVAL, IF YOU ARE VOTING TO, OR MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC ENUMERATED REASONS FOR DENIAL.
SO YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY YOUR SPECIFIC REASONS WHY YOU'RE DENYING.
UM, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS FOR DIG, OR WE DON'T ALLOW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITIONS IN, IN PD ONE 40, UM, YOU HAVE TO GIVE SPECIFIC REASONS FOR DENIAL FOR THAT.
UM, ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT DOES MEET PLANNING'S, UM, VISION FOR THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UH, RUSH ANYTHING AND I'M DO SOMETHING AND I'M, I'M GONNA ALLOW SAVANNAH WARE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE'S THESE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS WITH THIS SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, UM, THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH CALLED THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK.
UM, SAVANNAH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? YES, I WOULD.
I JUST EXPLAINED THAT, UH, FOR SITE PLANS, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS AND WE REQUIRE AN APPLICANT TO SELECT ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
WE DON'T TELL THEM WHICH ONE, BUT WE DO REQUIRE THAT THEY SELECT AN OPTION, UH, FOR A PROCESS.
THE DRC CALENDAR FOLLOWS THE DRC CALENDAR ONLINE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN.
WE PROVIDE COMMENTS, THEY MAKE REVISIONS TO THEIR PLAN, AND IT FOLLOWS THAT CALENDAR.
UH, THE APPLICANT SELECTED THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK, WHICH MEANS THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THEIR COMPLETED APPLICATION, IT HAS TO BE BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
UH, THIS TIMELINE DOES NOT ALLOW ANY COMMENTS OR ANY REVISIONS.
UH, THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMIT WITH THEIR APPLICATION IN THE 30 DAY PROCESS IS THE PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MS. WARE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO WITHDRAW IN OUR APPLICATION? OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS IS WELL, SO WE, WE COULD PROBABLY, WE THANK YOU.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION IN JUST A MINUTE WITH THE, THE COMMISSION'S GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SO WE'LL JUST NEED TO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SIT DOWN? YES.
UM, THIS IS MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR.
AND, UM, THIS IS TROUBLING BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD PRODUCT, BUT IT DOESN'T FIT THE CRITERIA IN MY OPINION.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYBODY TO GIVE ME THEIR OPINION, I WOULD THINK, WELL, I WOULD EITHER DENY THIS OR, UM, TABLE IT.
IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, CAN WE TABLE POINT OF ORDER IT NEEDS TO HAVE A P AND Z ACTION, APPROVE, APPROVE OF CONDITIONS, OR DENY FOR ENUMERATED BREACH.
WELL, THAT TABLING IS OUT THE WINDOW.
UH, MY VOTE IS GONNA BE TO DENY BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH POLICY.
IT JUST DOES NOT, THERE WAS NO, UM, SIGN THERE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND IF THERE WAS A SIGN THERE, THEN THEY, THEN IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN, YOU KNOW, THE DIGITAL AND THAT, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO, AND I JUST, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE IT THEIR WHATEVER THEY, WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS RIGHT FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW, WHAT I STAND ON IS WHAT I STAND ON.
BUT EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION HAS A RIGHT TO VOTE WHICHEVER WAY YOU CHOOSE.
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OKAY WITH THAT.BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE, I'M GONNA PROBABLY, UM, DENY COMMISSIONER LUCKY VAUGHN.
I JUST WANTED ASK A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WITHDRAWING.
DO WE HAVE THAT OPTION AS NO, WE SAID, UH, SAVANNAH JUST SAID THAT THIS, BECAUSE HE CHOSE THE, UH, 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK, WE EITHER HAVE TO APPROVE IT OR DENY IT BECAUSE HE WENT ON A FAST TRACK.
AND THE FAST TRACK MEANS THAT HE, HE WAS BACK AND FORTH ON THE ONLINE PROCESSES.
SO WHATEVER INFORMATION WAS THERE, WAS WHAT HE HAD TO WORK WITH.
IS THAT CORRECT, SAVANNAH? THE BACK AND FORTH.
UM, IN CHAPTER TWO 12, IT ALLOWS MU BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT, THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT TO EXTEND THE 30 DAY APPROVAL PERIOD FOR ONE OR MORE ADDITIONAL PERIODS, NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS EACH.
IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS EXTENSION IN WRITING TO THE APPROVED AUTHORITY, UM, AND THE APPROVING AUTHORITY AGREES TO THE EXTENSION REQUEST.
UM, SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A WRITTEN REQUEST AT THIS TIME.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN REQUEST.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO, WE, IT IS A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK.
IT'S EITHER A YAY OR NAY, YOU KNOW.
AND YOU HAVE A, RIGHT NOW I'M THE OWNER, THE COMPANY, UM, WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THIS PROCESS.
UM, COMMISSIONER MEDINA, DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT? YOU, YOU ALREADY STATED YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER CASES TO GO, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THIS YET.
YEAH, NO, I, I, I, I, I LIKE THE PRODUCT AND I, OKAY.
I DON'T SEE, JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SIGN THERE PREVIOUSLY, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T PUT THERE.
NO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE, THE WAY IT'S SET UP, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GOING FORWARD.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT IF IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.
WELL, MADAM CHAIR, UM, MADAM CHAIR, CAN THE, CAN THE LAWYERS, CAN YOU ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT IF THE APPLICANT CAN, UM, DO A WRITTEN EXTENSION TODAY AS STATED BY THE LAW? THEY CAN, UM, REQUEST AN EXTENSION IN WRITING TO THE APPROVING AUTHORITY, AND THEN THE APPROVING AUTHORITY HAS TO AGREE TO THE EXTENSION.
UM, SO WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE IT ON OUR AGENDA TO CONSIDER AN EXTENSION TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF WHAT ACTION IS BEING TAKEN AS WELL.
WE, WE, WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE A DECISION ON THIS HEALTH.
THEY CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE THAT ACTION AFTER TONIGHT AND PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
'CAUSE IT, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PART, PART ONE.
I JUST HAVE, 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GOING, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A MOTION TO DENY, I THINK MS. DOSER SAID THERE HAS TO BE SPECIFIC ENUMERATED REASONS.
SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR, UH, YOU, JULIA, IF, IF YOU ASSUME WHAT HE'S SAYING IS TRUE, THAT IT'S PART OF THE PID IS THE PID SILENT ON ALL THESE THINGS THAT SAVANNAH SAID WERE VIOLATIVE OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS ABOUT SETBACK, HEIGHT, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHAT IS THE PID SAY ON THAT REGARD? AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE MEANING THE PD, CORRECT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
THE PD HAS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AS THEY APPLY TO BUILDINGS FOR SIGNAGE.
THE, THE 1983 ZONING ORDINANCE HAS SPECIFIC HEIGHT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE REASONS WHY FOR OUTDOOR, THE REASONS WHY NEED TO BE ADVERTISING SIGNS ON THE, AND SO THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO THE ACTUAL ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE IN 1983, UM, SAYS THAT THE, UM, AS STATED IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE BRIEF COMMUNICATION, SORRY,
UH, THE PROPOSED BILLBOARD EXCEEDS 50 FEET TO THIS.
UH, THERE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS THAT'S FINE.
I I SEE ALL THAT FIVE FORTIES.
SO JUST TO BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEN THE PD IS SILENT ON THAT.
AND THEN IF THE PD IS SILENT ON THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO THE LAW THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE WHEN THAT PD DOCUMENT.
THE, THE, THE TERMS THAT HE MENTIONED REGARDS TO THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, THOSE ARE FOR BUILDINGS, NOT FOR OKAY.
SO MADAM CHAIR, I, I, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY TO PURSUANT TO WHAT JULIE SAID, WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND ENUMERATE THIS TO WHY I'LL DO MY BEST AND THEN JULIE CAN CLEAN IT UP.
I DON'T, THIS IS ONE I CAN'T REALLY SUGGEST TO.
WELL, I WILL, I WILL RE VERBATIM FROM HERE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION CHAIR? MM-HMM
LET'S BE FINISHED GETTING THIS SESSION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? YOU'RE GOOD.
WHAT ABOUT YOU, JANE? UM, I, THE ONLY THING I WANNA SAY IS IT, IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
I DON'T LIKE THE ONE HE DID FOR GRAND PRAIRIE, THOUGH.
UM, I FELT LIKE IT WAS VERY UNSTABLE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, NOT ONLY
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WHAT I'M AGAINST IS THAT HE'S NOT MEETING ANY OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.AND THEN YOU PUT A DIGITAL SIGN THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENCE.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, DO WE WANT THIS BRIGHT THING BLINKING ALL NIGHT? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS HERE FOR A REASON.
AND I THINK WITH THE SHOCK CLOCK, IT'S NOT GIVEN THE RESIDENTS ALSO A FAIR CHANCE TO SAY.
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, JULIE, IT, I MEAN, EVEN IF, EVEN IF THIS WAS DENIED, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING HE COULD JUST REAPPLY LATER AND JUST NOT DO THAT ROUTE? I MEAN, NOT THAT IT'S, I WAS OUTTA CURIOSITY NOT DO WHAT ROUTE THE, THE SHOCK CLOCK AND JUST COME BACK AND DO IT AS A NORMAL IF THEY SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONER, COLEY, YOU, YOU FINISHED, YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID YOUR YEAH, YOU DID.
PRESENTATION WAS, WHAT ABOUT YOU, COMMISSIONER CHARE, WERE YOU GOOD? I OKAY.
COMMISSIONER, UH, FEDCO, YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE? I, I DON'T MIND.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON ITEM TWO AND VOTE TO DENY FOR, AMONG A VARIETY OF, UH, REASONS.
UM, MY BIGGEST ONES ARE THAT THE APPLICANT FAILED TO CARRY THE BURDEN AS TO WHY HIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE WAS EITHER AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR NOT OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN.
AND IN ADDITION, RELYING ON WHAT MS. DOSER SAID, THE PD, IF HE DID WANT TO GO DOWN THE PD PATH, A LOT OF THE PD IS SILENT AS TO A NUMBER OF THE ELEMENTS OF HIS STRUCTURE THAT HE'S PROPOSING.
AND THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO REACH BACK TO THE 1983, UH, LAW THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE THEN.
AND HE'S ASKING FOR A LOT OF VARIANCES WITH RESPECT TO THAT 1983 LAW.
SO ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING IN TERMS OF DENYING, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE SPECIFIC HEIGHT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT, SETBACK, AND THIS RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, THIS, WE CAN USE THIS THE HEIGHT AND THE, THE HEIGHT AND THE SETBACK, AND THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK HE ALSO, HE DIDN'T CONVINCE ME AS TO WHY HIS STRUCTURE WAS EVEN AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR NOT OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNED AND CONTRAVENTION TO WHAT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS, WHAT THE, UM, STAFF WAS SAYING.
THAT'S THE BEST WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT.
JULIE, SO JUST TO, IT WAS A LONG MOTION
AND THEN DENYING BASED ON, UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN, NOT MEETING THE HEIGHT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING.
BECAUSE EVEN IF, EVEN IF HE ENDS UP WINNING THE DAY ON THE, IT BEING PART OF AN ELECTRIC SIGN OR OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGN, THEN HE HAS TO LIVE BY THE RULES OF THE PD.
THE PD IS SILENT AS TO HEIGHT AND TO SETBACK.
AND SO THEREFORE, HE HAS TO LOOK BACK TO THE 1983 LAW AND HE'S IN CONTRAVENTION OF THOSE.
WILL THAT WORK FOR YOU, JULIE? WILL THAT WORK FOR YOU? I SEC, I, I I'M NOT GONNA RESTATE IT.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS CASE, STP 26 0 2 0 0 0 4.
AND WE DO NEED TO NOTE IN THE MOTION FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, THE MOTION IS SIX TO 2 1 1 STAINING SECOND.
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ALL RIGHT.ITEM THREE AND FOUR ARE RELATED TO THE SAME PROPERTY.
SO I'LL PRESENT THEM TOGETHER.
THE FIRST ITEM IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT LOCATED AT 1319 SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS TO ONE, CHANGE THE FUTURE LANE.
USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR A PORTION OF THE PARCEL FROM OPEN SPACE SLASH DRAINAGE TO COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE, AND THEN ESTABLISH A COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE AS THE FLUME DESIGNATION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, USED
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TO BE WITHIN THE CITY OF IRVING CITY LIMITS.UH, THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE AND CITY OF CITY OF IRVING, UH, WENT THROUGH A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THROUGH THAT AGREEMENT, THIS PROPERTY THEN CAME INTO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, SO WHEN PROPERTIES COME IN, WE HAVE TO, UH, DESIGNATE THE ZONING.
AND SO THE ACCOMPANYING ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE IT FROM AGRICULTURE TO COMMERCIAL.
AND THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER ONE ACRE, AND IT'S LOCATED AT BELTLINE AND SHADY GROVE ROAD.
UM, PRIOR TO THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, THE CITY OF IRVING DESIGNATED THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS REQUEST REZONES IT TO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS THE MOST COMPARABLE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT IN GRAND PRAIRIE THAT RELATES TO THAT COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT IN IRVING.
UH, SO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND WITH THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
YOU CAN'T DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
IT WAS, I KEEP THINKING AGAIN.
YOU WENT, YOU WENT REALLY FAST, BUT THAT WAS A GOOD, I CAN REPEAT IT.
YOU DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB IN THE, IN THE BOARD BRIEFING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? VERY WELL DONE.
WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? SORRY, I WAS MAKING NOTES.
IF YOU'LL GIMME ONE MOMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS.
THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER KO'S, UH, DISTRICT.
DO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SIR? I, I NO DISCUSSION.
THE, CAN THIS BE VOTED TO BE APPROVED TOGETHER? DO I, OR I GOTTA DO SEPARATE MOTIONS? YOU CAN DO IT TOGETHER AS LONG AS YOUR MOTION INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE, UH, A OR CASE NUMBER.
AND THEN YOU LIST THE CASE NUMBER FOR THE CPA AMENDMENT AND THEN ALSO THE CASE NUMBER FOR THE ZONING.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WITH, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY CON CONCERNS? NO.
BEFORE COMMISSIONER FEDCO MAKES THIS MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND VOTE TO APPROVE, UM, PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, CPA DASH 26 DASH ZERO THREE DASH TRIPLE ZERO THREE, AND, UM, UH, ZON DASH 26 DASH ZERO THREE DASH TRIPLE ZERO SIX.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AND ITEM FOUR BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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NEXT CASE PLEASE.THE NEXT ITEMS ARE ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND ITEM NUMBER SIX.
BECAUSE THEY'RE JOINT ITEM, I'LL PRESENT THEM TOGETHER.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THE ITEM NUMBER FIVE CPA 26 0 1 0 0 0 1.
THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR GOODLAND RIVER BAND PROJECT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE TO, UH, MATCH THE REQUESTED ZONING.
THE STAFF IS BRINGING FORTH A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE MEDIUM DENSITY ON AN OPEN SPACE AND DRAINAGE.
WE ARE PROPOSING MIXED USE, MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACE AND DRAINAGE OVER 128.2 ACRE TRACT.
SO JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU THE LOCATION, THIS IS 2 87 67 INCH TO THE SOUTH.
THERE ARE EXISTING PRAIRIE RIDGE, UM, SUBDIVISIONS AND THERE ARE OTHER GOODLAND, UH, ZONE CHAINS THAT HAS OCCURRED.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE AND IN GENERAL, THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS PART OF THEIR ENTIRE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY MORE TARGETED FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL WITH A POTENTIAL FOR MIXED USE AT THE CORNER.
I'LL SHOW YOU THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THE LAND SHOWN IN GREEN GENERALLY ARE IN A, UH, FLOOD PLAIN.
SO THEY WANNA KEEP THE LAND USE FOR THAT AREA AS OPEN SPACE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A, UH, MIXED USE CHARACTER AREA AND A MIXED RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AREA TO MATCH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UH, STAFF IS SAYING THAT THIS AREA SHOULD BE A MIXED USE AND THIS AREA SHOULD BE A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.
SO THE, UH, COMPANY ITEM IS THE ITEM NUMBER
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SIX, A ZONE CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN CON 25.I'M SORRY, THAT SHOULD BE 20, UH, SIX.
LET ME READ THAT CASE NUMBER FOR YOU.
IT SHOULD BE, UH, ZON 26 0 1 0 0 0 1.
THIS IS A ACCOMPANYING PD ITEM FOR RIVER BEND.
SO, UH, THE RIVER AREA, THEY ARE PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW MIXED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND THE CONCEPT THAT IS, UM, WILL BE ADOPTED TO THE PD.
SO THE FIRST CHARACTER AREA IS CALLED MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, IT WILL ALLOW VARIOUS, UM, HOUSING TYPE SINGLE FAMILY POTENTIAL FOR TOWN HOMES AND OTHER TYPE OF, UH, DIVERSE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, LAYOUT THAT WERE PROVI, UH, THAT WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED AS PART OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE GENERAL GOODLAND AREA.
THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE VARIOUS OPTION OF LAYING OUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN A DIFFERENT LAYOUT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED WITH THE OTHER PDS.
UM, THEY WILL INCLUDE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE, UM, NOT EXCEEDING ACRES.
ANOTHER AREA THEY WANNA HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR 25 ACRES TO HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE OR HORIZONTAL MIXED USE THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME COMMERCIAL USES, SUCH AS RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND CIVIC USES AND OFFICES TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE WITH A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEY DO HAVE A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AREA THAT COULD OPEN UP SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, UH, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THIS PD.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SAMPLE, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE PRO PROPOSED PRODUCT.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ACTUALLY SOME THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED ALL IN THE OVERALL GALAND AREA WHERE THEY HAVE SINGLE FAMILIES.
THEY WANNA CARRY OVER THE CHARACTERISTICS INTO THIS AREA AS WELL.
SO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH A FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT AS PART OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, LAKEVIEW DRIVE AND NECESSARY INTERNAL THOROUGHFARE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TECH DOT AND OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT STANDARDS.
THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUNE? GREAT PRESENTATION.
SPEAKER CARDS, UH, THE APPLICANT, DANIEL TWIG, UH, IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, THIS IS A, GONNA BE A BIG PROJECT.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED A LOT IN THE BOARD BRIEFING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS? WE NEED TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME UP.
THIS IS, UM, DISTRICT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MORE CARDS.
UM, I HAVE A CARD FROM MELINDA VELA MORA WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
MELINDA RA, I HAVE SOME PAPERS.
CAN WE PASS THEM OUT TO YES, IF YOU CAN JUST BE SURE TO GIVE ONE TO STAFF PLEASE.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
MORA, I LIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, 45 32 HARPERS FERRY D DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, YOU WILL ALSO BE SEEING MY ADDRESS ON THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED.
UM, I WAS GLAD I WAS ABLE TO COME IN A LITTLE EARLIER TO AT LEAST LISTEN WHEN YOU GUYS WERE IN THE OTHER ROOM AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO JUNE, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE OVERALL PLAN FOR GOODLAND.
UM, SO SHE WAS ABLE TO GIMME SOME INSIGHTS IN REGARDS TO THESE TWO ITEMS, SPECIFIC TO THESE TWO ITEMS THAT I'M NOT, UM, I AM CONCERNED IF YOU GUYS MAKE CHANGES TO THE REZONING FOR THIS LITTLE PIECE.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH HER THAT IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY OWNED BY THEM YET.
IT'S GONNA BE DETERMINED BASED ON YOUR REZONING RESULTS.
UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME HERE, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED THE OVERALL, UH, AND YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH PRIOR, UH, PRESENTATION.
SO I, I THINK I CAUGHT A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE YOU CAN, UM, RE-CLARIFY FOR ME AT THE VERY BEGINNING, UM, WHETHER IT WAS THE PAST MINUTES OR THE MINUTES BEFORE THAT,
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UH, THAT HAVE PRIORLY WRITTEN APPROVED BY THIS BOARD BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOODLAND AND GRAND PRAIRIE'S NOT GONNA BE THE LAST, UM, AS THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SO MY MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT MY CONCERNS ARE NOT REALLY TOO SPECIFIC OTHER THAN THAT I'M OPPOSED AT THIS POINT MM-HMM
BASED ON CLARIFICATION AND COMING IN EARLIER AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT FEEL ON IT RIGHT NOW.
IT STILL SORT OF
WE ARE JUST THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS LAY PEOPLE, AS HOMEOWNERS.
WE ARE HERE TO GIVE OUR OPINION OF WHAT WE THINK THIS CASE, IF THIS CASE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD OR NOT FOR GRAND PRAIRIE, IF IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, BUT THE, THE FINAL, THE DECISION TO BE MADE WOULD BE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE, WE, WE ARE JUST GIVING OUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, FROM EVERY DISTRICT IN THE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, BUT WE DON'T MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
SO WHEN WE LISTEN, WE ARE LISTENING TO TRY AND SEE, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE RULES AND GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWED AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HINDRANCE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, BUT OUR, WHATEVER WE CONSIDER TONIGHT WILL NOT BE THE FINAL THING.
SO WHEN SHE WENT THROUGH HER PRESENTATION, DID YOU SHOW THOSE PURPLE SECTION THERE? THE MAP? IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH.
AND SO MY BIGGER CONCERN HERE, AND IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND NOT THESE TWO ITEMS AFTER ALL.
AS I MENTIONED, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HER PRIOR.
UH, SO THIS IS NOT IN REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF THE YELLOW.
I'M MORE CONCERNED OF LOCATION IN THE GREEN.
UH, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, PURPLE WAS THAT, THAT'S, WE'RE, THIS IS WE, THE REASON WE ARE HERE IS FOR THE YELLOW TONIGHT.
THAT'S IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND STILL STATE FOR RECORD.
ON THE, ON THE EXISTING REZONING, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT MIGHT HAVE IN THE REZONING OF THESE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
AND WE, SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THESE TWO ITEMS, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT FOR RECORD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THANK YOU.
AND YOUR OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AND YOU'VE DONE A, A GOOD JOB IN OUTLINING YOUR CONCERNS.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT THAT IN JUNE.
WE'LL, WE'LL WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU IN MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, SHE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT SHE DOES.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CARDS ON THIS.
SO THIS, THIS IS DISTRICT SIX, UH, COMMISSIONER LUCK.
V UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MADAM, MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE, UM, I, UM, READ, UM, THIS, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK THE, UM, RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SIX FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT, UM, STATING HER OPINION.
I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, SHE'S TAKING OUT THE TIME AND, UM, DID SOME HOMEWORK AND SO FORTH.
JUST WANT HER TO KNOW THAT WE READ WHAT SHE PROVIDED MM-HMM
AND THAT WE APPRECIATE HER COMMENTS ON THE PAPER.
'CAUSE WHAT SHE WAS, WHAT SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS NOT FOR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.
SO, AND I THINK JUNE EXPLAINED THAT TO HER.
JUST ONE STILL ACKNOWLEDGES COMING OUT.
DOES, DO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE, UM, ABOUT THIS CASE? I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR AS TO WHERE WE ARE.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THIS? COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UM, DISCUSSION.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE AN APPROVAL, UM, FOR WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, RECOMMENDED BY DRC FOR APPROVAL FOR CPA DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 DASH 0 0 0 1, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN ALSO ZERO N DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 0 1.
THE ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONDITION MENTIONED BY DRRC, UM, ON APPROVAL.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEMS FIVE AND SIX.
FIVE BEING CPA 26 0 1, 0 0 0 1 AND ZON 26 0 1 0 0 0 1 OF APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER LUCKY VAUGHN, AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OF COLEY AS PER DRC.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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NEXT CASE PLEASE.[7. SUP-25-12-0048 - Specific Use Permit - Other Residential Care Facility (City Council District 4). Specific Use Permit for a Residential Care Facility on 0.14 acres. Lot 31, Block T, Oak Hollow Phase Four B & C Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, zoned Planned Development-50, and addressed as 2642 Steppington St]
LAST ITEM.ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR OTHER RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY LOCATED AT 26 42 STEPTON STREET.
SHOWN THERE ON THE RIGHT IN YELLOW, THE ZONING FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 50.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW TO ORIENT YOU TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHICH IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AS WELL AS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 50.
SONY HERE IS A STREET VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AS YOU KNOW, IN 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING ALL GROUP LIVING UNITS TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY UPON REGISTRATION.
STAFF DETERMINES THE USE AND IF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AN SUP IS REQUIRED IF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN 2,500 FEET OF ANOTHER GROUP LIVES LIVING RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
UM, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED WHEN WITHIN 2,500 FEET OR LESS FROM ANOTHER REGISTERED GROUP HOME IN THIS CASE.
THE OTHER REGISTERED GROUP HOME SHOWN ON, ON YOUR SCREEN IN RED IS ABOUT 2200 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN IN BLUE.
THE COVENTRY DRIVE, UH, GROUP HOME WAS REGISTERED IN 2024.
THEY HAVE A LICENSE FOR AN I-C-F-I-I-D FACILITY, WHICH PROVIDES INTERMEDIATE CARE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH INTELLECTUAL OR RELATED CONDITIONS.
THE CAPACITY OF THE, UM, CLOSE IN PROXIMITY GROUP HOME IS SIX.
THE APPLICANT IS CONTRACTED AS A HOME AND COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICE PROVIDER WITH STATE OF TEXAS.
HCS IS A MEDICAID WAIVER PROGRAM THAT SUPPLIES ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND SUPPORT TO TEXANS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES OR RELATED CONDITIONS SO THAT THEY MAY CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
TO QUALIFY AS A RESIDENT FOR HCS SERVICES, INDIVIDUALS MUST HAVE AN IQ OF 69 OR BELOW, OR HAVE AN APPROVED RELATED CONDITION WITH AN IQ OF 75 OR BELOW.
HAVE MILD TO SEVERE DEFICITS IN ADAPTIVE BEHAVIOR, BE ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID BENEFITS, AND NOT BE ENROLLED IN ANY OTHER MEDICAID WAIVER PROGRAMS. THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION OVERSEES THE STATE'S CONTRACTS WITH HOME AND COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICE PROVIDERS AND CERTIFIES THEM UNDER THAT PROGRAM.
H-H-H-H-S-C HAS CONFIRMED WITH THE CITY THAT HCS PROVIDERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO OBTAIN SEPARATE LICENSES FROM THE STATE.
AND BECAUSE THE FOUR PERSON RESIDENCE IS OPERATED BY A CERTIFIED HCS PROVIDER AND NOT REQUIRED TO BE LICENSED WITH THE STATE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED USE IS CATEGORIZED AS A OTHER RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.
UNDER ARTICLE FOUR OF THE UDC, THE APPLICANT IS NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED OR OPERATING AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION'S LONG-TERM CARE REGULATION HAS APPROVED THIS LOCATION AS A FOUR-PERSON RESIDENCE.
SERVICES PROPOSED TO BE PROVIDED, INCLUDE MEAL PREPARATION, MEDICATION ADMINISTRATION, BATHING, GROOMING AND HYGIENE ASSISTANCE, LAUNDRY ASSISTANCE, AND TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
THE OPERATIONAL PLAN SUGGESTS THAT THE UM, FACILITY WILL OPERATE 24 HOURS WITH A STAFF MEMBER PRESENT AT ALL TIMES WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR CLIENTS.
ALL STAFF WILL RECEIVE TRAINING, INCLUDE SPECIAL NEEDS TRAINING, MEDICATION ADMINISTRATION TRAINING, UNDERSTANDING BEHAVIORS, RESTRAINT AND DEESCALATION TRAINING, INFECTION CONTROL AND ABUSE, NEGLECT AND EXPLOITATION TRAINING.
ALL EMPLOYEES WILL BE SUBJECT TO DISBARRED.
VENDOR CHECKS, BACKGROUND CHECKS, EMPLOYEE MISCONDUCT REGISTRY CHECKS, AND NURSE REGISTRY CHECK CHECKS.
THIS PARTICULAR HOME FEATURES A SHARED LIVING SPACE.
SHARED RESTROOMS, FOUR PRIVATE BEDROOMS, LIFE SAFETY TOOLS SUCH AS FIRE, EX EXTINGUISHERS AND SMOKE DETECTORS, SECURITY CAMERAS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
LOCKED MEDICATION STORAGE AS WELL AS AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN.
STAFF DOES NOTE THAT THIS RESIDENCE HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE PORTIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE GRAND PRAIRIE PD CONFIRMED FIVE POLICE CALLS AT THIS RESIDENCE SINCE MAY OF 2023.
THESE CALLS ARE NOT RELATED TO THE APPLICANT OR REQUESTED GROUP LIVING RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT HAS NO RECORDS OF CODE VIOLATIONS OR CODE RELATED COMPLAINTS FOR THIS ADDRESS.
STAFF SENT 59 NOTICES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE RECEIVED ZERO LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
WE RECEIVED EIGHT LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, REPRESENTING FOUR UNIQUE ADDRESSES SHOWN IN BLUE.
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THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.ONE, THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED FOUR.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES.
NUMBER THREE, THEY MUST MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE REGULATIONS AND LOCAL ORDINANCES.
NUMBER FOUR, BE AN APPROVED REGISTERED GROUP LIVING RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE TO OPERATE.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN ALL REQUIRED STATE LICENSES AND OR CERTIFICATIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ERIN? THAT'S A GREAT JOB YOU DID WITH THAT.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONERS, FIRST COMMISSIONERS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR ERIN? MM-HMM.
SO, AND THIS COULD BE FOR ERIN OR IT CAN BE FOR RASHAD, OR IT CAN BE FOR JULIE.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE HAD NOT BEEN A SIMILAR FACILITY WITHIN 2,500 LINEAR FEET, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION? THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THE OTHER, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ERIN.
I THINK YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
SPEAKER CARDS, UH, THE APPLICANT, ESI LIGGINS WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, MA'AM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS TANYA LIGGINS, UM, 5 0 9 M STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 2.
I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I KNEW YOU GUYS HAD CONCERNS, SO I THOUGHT I COULD COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR RESERVATIONS OR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT, UM, ERIN DID A GREAT JOB, BUT MM-HMM
IF YOU, IF I COULD LEND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR DETAILS, I WANTED TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.
WELL, THE, FOR ME, UM, THE GROUP HOMES ARE NEW IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
HAVE YOU, SO YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK FOR SOME TIME.
UM, AT ONE POINT, MY MOM WHO ORIGINALLY GOT IN THE BUSINESS, SHE HAD PAIRED WITH ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL AND SHE DECIDED TO BRANCH OUT ON HER OWN.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST, UM, THE FIRST HOMES ON OUR OWN.
PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS IN, IT WASN'T IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
SO I GUESS THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THERE, THE HOME ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS CONSIDERED A, A GROUP HOME AS WELL, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, RESOLVED AND THERE'S GONNA BE A, EVERYBODY'S MOVING ACROSS THE STREET? OR HOW DOES THAT WORKING? WELL, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PUT THE HOME IN GRAND PRAIRIE, UH, WE WERE UNAWARE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ONCE WE GOT THE SECOND HOME, THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING CAME TO LIGHT.
SO WITH ALL THE DIFFICULTIES WE WERE HAVING WITH THE NEW HOME, WE JUST DECIDED TO, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE REALTOR THAT SPECIALIZE IN FINDING HOMES FOR PEOPLE MM-HMM
AND SHE'S, SHE'S SOLD OTHER HOMES TO OTHER PEOPLES IN OTHER COUNTIES.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH HER TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER HOME TO PURCHASE FOR THE OTHER HOME.
UM, SO WE CAN MOVE THOSE CLIENTS TOO.
AND, UM, SO WE CONTINUE WITH THIS NEW ONE IN HOPES THAT EVENTUALLY IF WE DO GET APPROVED, THEN WE CAN PLACE OTHER THERE.
SO YOU GONNA, YOU GONNA HAVE TWO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER? WELL, NO, WE DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH THE FIRST ONE.
SO WHEN WAS THAT, WHEN IS THAT ONE GONNA BE CLOSED AS WELL? TWO OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY LIVING WITH FAMILY.
ONE DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.
SO WE'RE JUST BASICALLY, UM, LOOKING FOR ANOTHER HOME.
'CAUSE ONCE WE GET SOMEBODY, WE CAN'T GET RID OF THEM UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO GO, GO HOME.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WEREN'T GONNA BE TOO GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THE, THE, THE PLAN IS TO, TO HAVE THE, THE HOME, THE, IN THE, THE NEW FACILITY, THE NEW HOME, NOT NEW HOME, BUT THE HOME VACANT.
ONE THAT'S VACANT, BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES.
BUT, BUT MY CONCERN IS HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS? BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT THIS IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GUYS UNDER AN HOA I'M NOT AWARE IF WE ARE OR NOT.
THE ONLY CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WAS THE, UM, YOU SPEAKING OF THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE AREA THAT YOU IN.
IS IT, UH, IS IT MANAGED BY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR IS IT JUST INDIVIDUAL? UH, THAT I'M UNAWARE OF.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU RENTING OR LEASING? BECAUSE YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IN YOUR COVENANTS AND YOUR TITLE POLICY WOULD STATE WE'RE RENTING.
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UM, I, I JUST, UM, THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE, BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN WE'RE BRINGING BUSINESSES IN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE AND THAT THEY'RE AWARE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HARDSHIP.'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CARS ON THE STREETS AND THEN HAVING A BUSINESS THERE IS GONNA FURTHER CREATE MORE, UH, TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
AND, AND IN FACT, UH, I DO HAVE SOME, UH, NOTICES, THE OPPOSITION NOTICES, WHICH I WILL READ.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED.
THERE'S A GREAT NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE HOUSED THAT THAT CANNOT BE HOUSED IN OTHER MEANS.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE DO IT.
AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO ACCOUNT, THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE IS MY MAIN CONCERN.
AND THE ONLY EXCESS TRAFFIC WOULD BE, IT'S ONLY ONE EMPLOYEE PER SHIFT.
SO THERE WOULD NOT BE A BUNCH OF EXTRA.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOCTORS AND THE NURSES AND, UM, WELL, I'M A NURSE BY TRADE, SO IF I WAS TO GO, IT WOULD BE DURING THE DAY.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN THERE AT THE HOME.
THEY'RE AT WORK OR AT, AT THE ADULT DAYCARE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO SOMEBODY IS THERE WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SPECIAL NEEDS.
SOMEBODY'S THERE WITH, WITH ALL OF THE, YOUR CLIENTS 24 HOURS A DAY.
WELL, NOT 24 HOURS A DAY, 16 HOURS A DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE.
'CAUSE DURING THE DAY THEY'RE NOT THERE.
THEY, THEY CAN'T JUST SIT AT HOME ALL DAY DOING NOTHING.
SO YOU HAVE DAY, UH, ADULT DAYCARE IN THE DAY AND THEN AT NIGHT THEY'RE YES.
SOMEONE IS THERE WITH THEM AT NIGHT, BASICALLY.
OR EITHER THOSE THAT CAN WORK, THEY HAVE JOBS MM-HMM
OR THEY JUST CAN'T BE AT THE HOUSE ALL DAY DOING NOTHING.
SO JUST WHEN THEY'RE THERE, SOMEONE HAS TO BE THERE.
COMMISSIONERS, Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FKO, MS. LIGGINS, UM, IN THINKING ABOUT YOUR CASE, 'CAUSE THESE CASES COME UP OCCASIONALLY AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT I HAVE TO RECONCILE IT WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS WHAT MADAM CHAIR REFERRED TO, WHICH IS THE THOUGHTS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AMAZING, UH, REVELATORY TO YOU, BUT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE GROUP HOMES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOWEVER, AND I I WAS INTRIGUED TO HEAR THAT YOU WERE WORKING WITH A REALTOR.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU FOUND A HOUSE THAT WASN'T WITHIN 2,500 FEET OF ANOTHER ONE OF THESE KIND OF HOUSES, NOBODY COULD STOP YOU.
THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE A SAY.
IF YOU'RE REALLY WORKING WITH A REALTOR LIKE THAT, THEY NEED TO GET ON THE GIS GET A DATA LAYER FROM THE CITY WHERE ALL THESE HOUSES ARE AND THEN YOU CAN FIND YOUR LITTLE PRIVATE PIECE OF DIRT WHERE NOBODY CAN OBJECT TO THIS.
WELL, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING IN GRAND PRAIRIE AT THE CURRENT MOMENT.
UM, WELL, BUT THIS, THIS EXISTING ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION IS BECAUSE YOU'RE WITHIN 2,500 FOOT OF UNDERSTAND ANOTHER GROUP HOME.
NOW I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT FUNNY THAT THAT PRIOR GROUP HOME PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SQUAWKING ABOUT IT.
SO IT HASN'T BEEN CAUSING TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM.
AND ICF AND HCF, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT REMEMBER BY THE FACT THAT YOU'RE COMING INSIDE THAT HALO.
THE PUBLIC GETS TO HAVE A SAY AND WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOMETIMES WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT 'CAUSE THE, THE, THE PRODUCT AND THE SERVICE THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDE IS CERTAINLY NEEDED.
BUT I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL OF GRAND PRAIRIE HAS SAID, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THESE MM-HMM
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT AN OUTRIGHT BAN BY ANY STRETCH, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE A CERTAIN, UM, BY RIGHT DENSITY REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA GO ABOVE THAT, THEN YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, YOU'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING ON THAT STREET, CORRECT? JUST NOT AT THIS BUILDING.
YEAH, WE HAVE, THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD THREE PEOPLE.
WE HAD TWO THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITH FAMILY.
SO THERE IS ONE THERE THAT, UM, THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE, WELL HE HAS FAMILY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTIVE IN HIS LIFE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND PLACEMENT FOR.
UM, I'M NOT, I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
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A QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD.I JUST WANNA KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATES, UH, OTHER RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY AND, UH, GROUP HOME.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? I, I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND.
YOU MAYBE TALK TO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YOUR OWN RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES AND OTHER GROUP HOMES? 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE SOME TIME AGO ABOUT GROUP HOMES.
WELL, AND EDISON, IM NOT SURE WHAT OTHER GROUP HOMES.
WE CALL IT GROUP HOMES, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S A RESIDENTIAL.
IT JUST GIVES PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE WE WOULD THAT WOULDN'T OP NECESSARILY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
UM, BUT LIKE THE ICF, IT'S MORE OF A MORE, MORE OF A GROUP HOME.
THEY CAN HAVE THEIR LARGER SCALES WHERE THEY PUT BUNK BEDS OR IN THE ROOMS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE UP TO, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, UM, THOSE ARE MORE STRUCTURED.
THEY HAVE MORE, IT'S MORE SECURITY.
IT'S MORE PEOPLE AROUND THE CLOCK.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IS IT PRIVATE OR PUBLIC? WELL, IT'S PRIVATE BECAUSE EVEN IT, EVEN TO BE ON THE PROGRAM, THERE'S WAITING LIST IS YEARS.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN IQ TESTING FOR ONE.
YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE IQ OF, OF THE 69 OR 75 WITH THE RELATED CONDITION.
SO IT'S, ANYBODY CAN'T JUST, UH, IT'S A MEDICAID FUNDED PROGRAM.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE STATE.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? MELINDA VELA, MOURA WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, PLEASE.
MELINDA BELLAMO 45 32 HARPERS FERRY DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND I'M GLAD SHE WAS HERE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
UM, I THINK MY BIGGER CONCERN HERE, PRESENTATION WAS REALLY WELL, AND I THINK I ASKED, I ASKED, UH, ERIN A QUESTION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO UNTIL I EMAILED HER, WHICH I'LL GET.
BUT I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH JUST TO MAKE SURE.
UH, AND MY QUESTION TO HER WAS THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 63 RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
NOW I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT JOHN MENTIONED, AND APPARENTLY THERE'S A LOOPHOLE AND, UM, DEPENDING ON THE DISTANCE, UM, THE REASON WHY I'M OPPOSED IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED PRIOR.
UH, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO INVEST MONEY IN MY HOME TO KNOW THAT SOMEONE ACROSS THE STREET IS RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF, OUT OF THEIR HOME.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IT IS.
MOST, THIS IS MORE CONCERNING BECAUSE THERE'S SAFETY CONCERNS HERE.
THERE'S EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO COME IN THERE.
AND I THINK THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE IS THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND YOU, AND YOU GOT THAT CORRECTLY.
UH, IT MENTIONED 59, UH, ITEM LETTERS ARE SIX LETTERS WENT OUT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT 59 IS WITHIN A, IF THE CITY'S REQUIRED TO DO A CERTAIN RADIUS FROM THE LOCATION OR THERE, THERE IS A RADIUS, WHAT IS THAT RADIUS, AARON? IT'S 200 FEET, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE TWO, AND THAT ALLOCATES THE NUMBER 59.
IS THAT WHERE YOU GOT 59 FROM? WE ACTUALLY GO A STEP BEYOND AND NOTIFY WITHIN 300 FEET.
SO 300 FEET PICKS UP THOSE 59 PROPERTIES.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS, AND, AND THIS IS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE FIRST TIME, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE I, I SAW ONE PREVIOUS MINUTES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED AS WELL, UM, IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS ARE BEING INFORMED, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT RADIUS.
THE PRESIDENTS, THE BOARD MEMBERS, CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE HAS ON THEIR WEBSITE A LIST OF ALL THE HOAS THAT ARE PART OF THE PID AND THOSE THAT ARE SELF-FUNDED.
WE NEED TO GET THOSE PEOPLE INVOLVED AND LET THEM KNOW, DID THEY, ARE THEY AWARE OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES GOING INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA OPPOSE MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS.
UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GUYS HAD BACK IN, UM, FEBRUARY 10TH, YOU DENIED ONE SUP
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25 DASH 12 DASH 0 4 6 AND THE VILLAGE EDITION PHASE ONE.YOU GUYS CAN LOOK THIS UP WHENEVER YOU WANT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS DENIED DUE TO PROXIMITY.
SO AM I CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE PROXIMITY OF THE ONE IN QUESTION TODAY IS WITHIN THE ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN OUR PRIOR PRESENTATION AT 43 33, UH, COVENTRY DRIVE? WERE THEY WITHIN THE 25, UH, UH, LIMIT FROM THE LAST, FROM THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, WAS THAT WITHIN THE 25, THE, THE PREVIOUS CASE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ADDRESS THAT DID NOT INVOLVE THE COVENTRY ADDRESS AT ALL.
BUT, BUT THIS ONE DID HAVE PROXIMITY WITH THE, IT DID ONE, THE HOUSE THAT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING OCCUPIED AND THE VACANT HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS THE ONE IN QUESTION THEY WERE TRYING TO GET APPROVAL ON.
SO, WHICH I THINK WAS, WHICH IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS MM-HMM
BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE ORIGINALLY DENIED.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CONCERNING IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS IS HAPPENING.
I'M JUST SHOCKED THAT THAT'S THAT MANY FACILITY, YOU KNOW, HOMES MM-HMM
AND I DON'T WANNA SEE OUR GRAND PRAIRIE AREA TURN INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT WE SEE IN THE MEDIA AND OTHER STATES MM-HMM
YOU, YOU BRING UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND WITH THE HOAS BECAUSE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, ALL THE HOAS ARE ON A MAP AND THAT'S RIGHT.
AND IT, IT'S, BUT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE MORE COMMUNICATION WITH CODE COMPLIANCE.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS A LOT, LOT OF THESE ARE IN HIDING THESE GROUP HOMES.
NOBODY KNOWS THAT THEY'RE THERE UNTIL ANOTHER ONE COMES UP IN PROXIMITY.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THAT BECAUSE LEAVE THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS, HAS, YOU KNOW, CREATED AND APPROVED LEGISLATION WHERE THESE THINGS, THIS IS POSSIBLE.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW WE, WE WE WALK WITH THAT BECAUSE LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY'VE OPENED THAT DOOR.
AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THAT OPEN DOOR.
BUT WE, WE GOTTA, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE FAIR AND DONE RIGHT.
AND LIKE I SAID, YOU AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW? RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PUT STIPULATIONS TO SAY, OKAY, WELL YOU'RE NOT REGULATED BY SO AND SO, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF MEDICAID.
IT'S, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY LOOPHOLES THERE.
100 AND THE CITY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS OUR FIFTH ONE, OR HOWEVER MANY MM-HMM
SORRY GUYS, I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO ALL YOUR MINUTES.
BUT I, I'VE SEEN ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING QUITE FREQUENTLY MM-HMM
AND WE NEED TO PUT SOME KIND, SOME KIND OF POLICY IN PLACE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CITY LAWYERS TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO EXCEPTIONS.
IT'S THERE SHOULD ALL BE REPORTING TO THE CITY.
UM, AND IF THEY, IF THEY'RE FOUND TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE, THEN WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER'S REQUIRED IN, IN OUR CODES TO PREVENT THAT FROM CONTINUING.
LET ME CHECK TO SEE, MAKE SURE MY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU, YOU MADE A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION AND YOU BROUGHT A LOT OF THINGS TO LIGHT THAT, THAT NEED TO BE CHECKED INTO.
THAT WE WANT OUR CITIZENS TO COME OUT AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND, AND WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED.
BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN AND CHANGE AND IMPROVE THINGS.
WE HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.
FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO READ IN, I, THERE WERE NO, UM, SUPPORT LETTERS AND THERE WERE THE EIGHT OPPOSITION LETTERS.
FIVE OF THOSE LETTERS WERE JUST OPPOSITION.
BUT I WANNA READ INTO THE RECORD THERE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN.
I'M NOT GONNA READ THE PERSON'S THEIR NAMES.
I'M JUST GONNA READ THE COMMENTS.
I'M JUST CONCERNED STEPPING TO THE STREET.
MA'AM, IF, IF YOU'RE READING IT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO.
I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO.
UH, THIS, UH, IS FROM JERRY HODGES AT 26 34.
DO I HAVE TO READ THE STREET? NO, JUST THE NAME.
IF YOU CAN READ THE NAME AND ADDRESS.
JERRY HODGES, 26 34 STEPTON STREET, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.
I'M NOT REALLY COMPLAINING, I'M JUST CONCERNED.
STEPPING STREET IS TOTALLY BLOCKED MANY DAYS AND YOU CAN BARELY GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
MY CONCERN IS THAT MORE CARS WILL ADD EVEN MORE PROBLEM TO OUR STREET AND AREA.
MANY DAYS YOU CAN HARDLY GET THROUGH.
SO, SO CAN I BE GUARANTEED THAT THERE WON'T BE ADDITIONAL CARS PARKED ON THE STREET? THIS IS A NOTICE FROM DEBORAH LACKEY, 26 34 HAMILTON DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.
I DIDN'T MAKE MY MORTGAGE PAYMENTS ALL THESE YEARS SO
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THAT A GROUP HOME COULD BE PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.LAST, UH, OPPOSITION LETTER, UH, DEBRA LACKEY AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME PERSON, LET'S SEE, I GUESS SHE DID TWO OPPOSITION LETTERS.
THE SECOND, THE SAME ADDRESS, 26 34 HAMILTON DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.
UH, I DO NOT WANT A GROUP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DEADLINE OF MARCH 10TH IS TOO SOON.
WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN MORE NOTICE AND THE TYPE OF GROUP HOME SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER.
I AM CURIOUS WHY IT WAS NOT, THESE TO ME ARE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS FROM HOMEOWNERS AND WE CANNOT OVERLOOK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY CONCERN ME BY BEING ON THE COMMISSION, IS THAT YOU WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF THERE IS A CONVERSATION HAD, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BE MORE INCLINED TO ACCEPT IT.
BUT IF THERE'S NO CONVERSATION AND IT'S ALL KIND OF IN HIDING, THEN IT, IT GIVES ANOTHER LOOK.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE THIS IS MY DISTRICT AND I, UM, NOT REALLY, I'M NOT REALLY LEANING TOWARD APPROVING THIS, BUT, UH, I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOUR OPINIONS ARE.
AND OF COURSE, WHEN I MAKE A, WHEN I MAKE A MOTION, THAT'S MY MOTION, HOW I FEEL INDIVIDUALLY.
YOU GUYS HAVE A RIGHT TO APPROVE OR DENY AND FOR YOUR OWN REASONS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME DISCUSSION.
ON THAT LAST NAME THAT YOU PRONOUNCED, WERE YOU SAYING LACKY OR LUCKY? UM, LACKY.
I JUST WANTED TO GO, I, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSON'S NAME, JUST IN CASE SHE WAS SAYING.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION ON, ON THE COMMISSION? DO OKAY? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
THE THING I'LL SAY THERE IS AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING LIKE THIS IN THE PAST AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE, I THINK, UH, GROUP HOMES IN GRAND PRAIRIE THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, ON ONE END PROACTIVELY BEING REGISTERED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, MANAGED THERE.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME IT'S, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO, UM, I WASN'T CLEAR THOUGH, ON IF THERE'S GONNA BE TWO OR JUST ONE.
WELL, THE, THE PROBLEM IS THE FACT THAT THE ONE THAT IS ALREADY IN OPERATION, THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE THERE.
TWO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION WITH THEIR FAMILY, BUT THERE'S ONE STILL THERE.
SO TECHNICALLY IT'S STILL IN OPERATION.
AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, AND IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, THEN THEY WILL CLOSE THE HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE STILL RUNNING A GROUP HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S STILL A GROUP HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESENTLY, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET APPROVAL ON THE OTHER ONE.
AND I THINK I JUST, I THINK THIS JUST AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE THIS BETTER.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE.
I KNOW THE, THE, THE CITY AND THE THE STATE HAS, HAS GIVEN PERMISSIONS ON ALL THIS, BUT AT LEAST COME FORTH AND LET PEOPLE KNOW.
LIKE THE UH, HOMEOWNER SAID IF THEY WERE AWARE THEY HAD DISCUSSIONS, MAYBE THEY COULD WORK THROUGH IT TOGETHER, BUT NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.
AND YOU JUST, BY THE WAY, FIND OUT THAT YOU HAVE A GROUP HOME NEXT DOOR TO YOU.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIT MUCH.
WELL, AGAIN, THE THING THAT I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IS HAVING TWO LOCATIONS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE WON'T BE TWO, IT'LL JUST BE ONE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW YOU ARE CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WHAT AGAIN, CONCERNS ME.
'CAUSE IT, WE COULD GO INTO HAVING TWO IN THE SAME STREET, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE COULD SAY, WELL, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA MOVE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
WE DON'T KNOW FOR THOSE REASONS TO FEEL VERY, VERY UNEASY ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES, COMMISSIONER, POLLING MADAM CHAIR.
TECHNICALLY I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER IT.
EVERYTHING BOILS DOWN TO THE, UH, STATE.
'CAUSE ONCE THE LICENSE, THESE PEOPLE, THEY CAN PUT, UH, GROUP THEM THE WAY THEY WANT.
WELL, WITHIN ONCE IT'S NOT WITHIN AND THAT'S WHY DRC PROBABLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PUT A PIN IN IT AND WE CONTINUE TO APPROVE EVERYONE THAT COMES THROUGH BASED ON THE FACT THAT, OH, NOBODY KNOWS IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2024.
I HAVE A REAL CONCERN WITH THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION AND YOU GUYS CAN CHOOSE TO ACCEPT OR
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DENY YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL OPINION, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO, UH, MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE, ARE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THE, THE RIGHT WAY IN COMPLIANCE AND LETTING THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO HAVE A BUSINESS COME IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT AND CLOG UP THE STREETS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
THAT IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION FROM ME, ONE PERSON.
BUT I DO RESPECT EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD AND I RESPECT HOWEVER YOU VOTE IS HOW YOU VOTE.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM SUP 25 12 48 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY TO DENY.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR TO DENY I ITEM UP 25 12 4 8 BY MYSELF, CHERYL SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MALCOLM CHA CHAARI.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND TO DENY.
MOTION PASSES TO DENY THAT BEING THE LAST CASE AT 8 26.