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[2. ZBA-25-10-0069 (Council District 5) – Variance to the front yard setback for an accessory structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 2926 E. Main Street, legally described as Lots 219 and 220, Burbank Gardens Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Commercial (C) District]
FROM THE REQUIRED 25 FEET TO THE PROPOSED FOUR FEET FOR YOUR INFORMATION.ARTICLE SIX OF THE UDC STATES THAT WHEN A PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO ONE OR MORE STREETS, ALL SETBACKS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
THE CARPORT IS CURRENTLY PLACED OVER EXISTING CONCRETE PAVING.
THERE IS A PERMIT APPLICATION IN FOR THE CARPORT STRUCTURE THAT DOES INCLUDE TYING IT DOWN.
HERE ARE PICTURES OF THE CARPORT IN QUESTION FROM THE FRONT VIEW THERE ON THE LEFT, SORT OF DRIVING UP THE STREET IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN FROM THE PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SUBJECT CARPORT TO SHOW THAT THE CARPORT IS NOT LIMITING VISIBILITY.
IT IS NOT IN A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT.
WE SENT 15 NOTICES, ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED, OPPOSED.
THERE'S NOT A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, AND IN THIS CASE, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE APPLICATION AS REQUESTED.
MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
SO IF WE WERE TO SAY, NOT GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND SAY NO.
WHAT HAPPENS? THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE CARPORT OR MOVE IT OUT OF THE SETBACK.
THIS IS A BUSINESS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE, UH, BUSINESS PLOT? OKAY.
SO THERE, THERE IS ROOM FOR THIS BACK OVER HERE ON THE LEFT HAND CORNER.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT A STREET OVER THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS AN INTERIOR LOT LINE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS AN EXISTING CARPORT AT THAT LOCATION, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLACE THE CARPORT THERE, BUT THEY COULD PUT IT ON THAT BACK WALL WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY NEXT TO THAT ONE.
IT COULD BE DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M, I I GUESS THEY'RE USING THIS FOR DETAILING OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE USING IT JUST TO PARK CARS.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CARS THERE.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE YOU WERE JUST AT PLEASE? OKAY.
WHERE IT SAYS ONE 20, UH, FOR THE, WHAT, WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE? HOMES? IT IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SPECIFICALLY BEHIND THIS PORTION OF THE LOT THERE IS VACANT PROPERTY.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THERE IN THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT.
UM, RIGHT HERE, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD VIEW, BUT IF YOU WERE VIEWING FROM MACARTHUR BACK TOWARDS THE WEST UHHUH
UH, WHY DOES THE CITY NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS? SO, UM, WE DID DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HARDSHIPS AT OUR LAST HEARING.
IN THIS CASE, THE CITY RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS SORT OF A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP BECAUSE THEY PLACED IT THERE IN THE SETBACKS.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO NOTE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A DOUBLE FRONT YARD, SO THEY HAVE 25 FEET ON THE, ON ALL FRONTAGES ESSENTIALLY THAT IT RESTRICTS THE PROPERTY IN A LESS DEVELOPABLE WAY.
SO WE DO NOT OBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.
WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE ROOM ON THE LOT TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT STILL AND STILL HAVE PARKING.
I MEAN THE SAME, THEY COULD STILL MOVE THAT TO ANOTHER PART OF IT AND NOT CHANGE THE USE OF IT AND STILL HAVE THAT PARKING AVAILABLE FOR PARKING.
I THINK THOSE ARE VALID POINTS, YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU START GOING DOWN THIS PATH, YOU CAN'T REVERT BACK FROM THIS PATH.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T STAND UP AND SAY, NAH, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHY THE CITY'S OKAY WITH IT.
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PROPOSING THAT WE'RE THIS IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING OKAY.SETTING A PRECEDENT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE IT IS, AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO JUST REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS IS THE BRIEFING AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK, ASK QUESTIONS.
I'M ASKING STAFF QUESTIONS AND, AND SO I BE, I WAS THE ONE WHO MESSED UP.
AND, AND SO, WELL, AND I GUESS TO HIS, HIS QUESTION, I GUESS HE'S, HE'S, HE SHOULD BE ASKING YOU THAT IS THIS SETTING A PRECEDENCE TO ALLOW THINGS THIS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN IN THAT 25 FOOT JOB? IT CERTAINLY COULD BE SETTING A PRECEDENCE.
AND THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? DO THEY OWN THE LOT THAT IS, HAS THE BLUE KENT ON IT, IS THAT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY? THEY DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY.
THEY, AND IT'S NOT FIXED DOWN, IT'S MOVABLE.
UM, IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO TIE IT DOWN WITH HURRICANE TIES? YES SIR.
AARON? UH, SO ERIC WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BLUE BUIL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE BUILDING, SMALL BLUE BUILDING THERE.
THIS, YOU SAID THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
RIGHT THERE IS THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY HERE.
IS THAT EXISTING CARPORT? THAT IS OVER ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
HERE IS THE CARPORT IN QUESTION.
UM, AND OF COURSE THEY'VE GOT DRY VILES AND PARKING AREAS MANEUVERING ON THE SITE.
CAN I ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
IF THIS WERE TO, AND TELL ME IF I'M ASKING AN OKAY QUESTION.
UM, BE DENIED, THEY CAN PUT IN A PERMIT TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER POSITION ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE LEGAL, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SPACE IS BETWEEN THE RED CARD AND DESTRUCTION NEXT TO IT? THE, THE YELLOW BUILDING? YES.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS LABELED IT AS FOUR FEET.
LET'S SEE, SEVEN FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
FOUR FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, FOUR FEET OFF OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THE 25 FOOT BASICALLY COMES ALMOST TO THE BUILDING.
IN FACT, THERE IS A CLOSE APPROXIMATION OF WHERE THE 25 FEET WOULD BE.
UM, IF THEY ATTACH IT TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD DO THAT.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE IN THE, IN THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VARIANCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE, BUT IF IT'S ATTACHED IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED ACCESSORY.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE IT STILL BE.
WHAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE HERE FOR? SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE CARPORT WAS CONSTRUCTED SINCE 2018 AND CODE COMPLIANCE DID GO OUT THERE AND FIND THAT IT WAS NOT SECURED TO THE CONCRETE PAVING AND REQUIRING THAT A, A BUILDING PERMIT BE ISSUED FOR THE TYING DOWN OF THIS STRUCTURE PLANNING AS A REVIEWER ON THE PERMIT.
AND WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE ENCROACHING INTO THE SETBACK.
I DO WANT TO CONDUCT A ROLL CALL, UH, EMPLOYEE THAT ACTUALLY, SO WE HAVE 10, 12.
YOU'RE DOING? YEAH, WE HAVE 12 HOUSE.
WE HAVE A VERY FULL HOUSE TONIGHT, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE HERE FOR THE TRAINING PORTION OF THE MEETING.
SO I THINK WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, FROM STAYING FOR THE TRAINING.
SO, AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE CASE, SO I THINK THE TRAINING IS LONGER THAN 17 MINUTES.
DO YOU, HOW LONG WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT TIFFANY BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING OR AFTER THEY WENT FIRST? SO I CAN MAKE MY TRAINING FIT WITHIN THE TIME WE HAVE LEFT FOR BRIEFING.
SO WE'LL JUST FORGET THE FORMALITY FOR THE STAFF ION.
SO TIFFANY BULL, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY AND I DO WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO, UH, ONE OF THE NEW ATTORNEYS JOINING OUR OFFICE.
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SHE, YOU WILL BE SEEING HER A LOT OVER TIME AND SHE WILL BE TRANSITIONING INTO A MORE ACTIVE ROLE AND EVENTUALLY ADVISING THE BOARD.UH, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL UM, MONTHS, WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING YOU WITH TRAINING.
IT'S GONNA BE IN SMALL LITTLE TIDBITS SO THAT WE CAN FIT IT INTO BRIEFING AND NOT MAKE YOUR MEETINGS RUN LONG.
SO THIS ONE IS GOING TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON JUST THE OPEN MEETING ACT HIGHLIGHTS AND PROCEDURES.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES SINCE SOME OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THE OPEN MEETING TRAINING, BUT PROBABLY NOT SINCE ALL OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH IT.
AND SO WE WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
UM, FIRST, VERY BRIEFLY, THERE'S, I ALWAYS WANT TO, IN THE TRAINING REMIND EVERYONE OF WHY THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT EXIST AND IT AROSE OUT OF THE SHARP TOWN SCANDAL.
IF ANY OF YOU WERE AROUND IN THE SEVENTIES, YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS SCANDAL THAT RESULTED IN THE END OF CERTAIN LEGISLATIVE CAREERS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED SOME PEOPLE INTO OUR JAIL SYSTEM.
UM, IT, IT WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE THERE WAS SOME BACK DOOR DEALING AND SOME FRAUD.
AND OUT OF THAT CAME THE NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME BOTH WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT AND THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND THE PURPOSE OF BOTH IS REALLY TO PROMOTE TRANSPARENCY AND TO ALLOW ENGAGEMENT OF CITIZENS.
SO ANYTIME YOU'RE ASKED A QUESTION UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, REMEMBERING THOSE PURPOSE, THE THE PURPOSE OF IT HELPS US COME TO THE ANSWER.
SO THERE IS AN AGENDA THAT HAS TO BE POSTED FOR EVERY MEETING.
THE AGENDA SHOWS WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IN THE MEETING.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE YOUR OPINIONS ON THINGS WHICH ARE NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE WE WANT CITIZENS TO KNOW, IF I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA, THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSED.
AND SO WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
THAT IS A DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY.
THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU THINK.
YOU DON'T GET TO TELL THEM WHAT YOU THINK ON CITIZEN COMMENTS.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD HAVE LOVED TO COMMENT ON THAT ISSUE AND THEY WOULD HAVE COME HAD THEY KNOWN IT WAS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED.
SO OUR DISCUSSION IS REALLY LIMITED TO THINGS WHICH ARE ON THE AGENDA.
THE AGENDA NOW HAS TO BE POSTED THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, IT IS NOW THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE.
IF THERE ARE HOLIDAYS ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY OR SOMETHING, THAT'S GONNA PUSH OUR AGENDA POSTING BACK EVEN MORE.
SO TYPICALLY YOU ARE GOING TO NOW SEE THEM, UM, ALMOST A FULL WEEK IN ADVANCE.
YOU'RE GONNA NOTICE THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THEM AT THE END OF THE DAY TUESDAY TYPICALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM POSTED BEFORE 8:00 AM ON WEDNESDAY TO MEET OUR NEW POSTING REQUIREMENTS FROM EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE.
THERE WILL BE MINUTES, THE MINUTES YOU APPROVE THEM AT EVERY MEETING FROM THE PRIOR ONE THAT IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT IS SUPPOSED TO RECORD THE ACTIONS.
WHO MADE THE MOTIONS? WHAT WAS THE VOTE? DID IT PASS? DID IT FAIL? THAT IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD KEEPER TO THE POINT THAT IF THERE IS ACTUALLY A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN AN ORDER AND THE MINUTES UNDER CASE LAW, THE MINUTES DO CONTROL.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE MINUTES ARE ACCURATE, WHICH IS WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE YOU REVIEW THEM AND APPROVE THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACCURATE.
UM, GENERALLY WHENEVER WE MEET, IT MUST BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING ZVA BUSINESS UNLESS IT IS IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
NOW THERE IS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER BOARDS WHERE IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO JUST ONE OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS BOARD BUSINESS THAT IS NOT VIOLATING THE QUORUM, BUT WE DO LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WITH ZBA IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
YOU ARE A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY.
AND SO REALLY THE INTENT IS THAT YOU DON'T GO OUT AND DO YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION.
THE INTENT IS THAT YOU TAKE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE TIME OF THE HEARING AND YOU FORM A DECISION BASED ON ONLY ON THAT INFORMATION.
WE DO ASK THAT YOU TRY TO AVOID SIDE CONVERSATIONS.
AND THIS COULD EVEN BE DURING THE MEETING.
YOU MAY BE WHISPERING TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, MAN, I HOPE THIS, HURRY UP, THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN END QUICKLY 'CAUSE I NEED TO GO TO THE RESTROOM.
OR, HEY HAVE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE MAPS TONIGHT? BUT AS FAR AS THE CITIZEN KNOWS, YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CASE AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS OR THEY MAY JUST THINK THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND SO YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING.
AND SO IT'S ALWAYS BEST PRACTICE TO AVOID THE SIDE CONVERSATIONS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE, UM, ATTENTIVE AND LISTENING TO THE INFORMATION THAT IS PRESENTED.
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UH, AS WE MENTIONED, A QUORUM IS REQUIRED TO HOLD THE MEETING FOR Y'ALL.FOR MOST BOARDS IT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LESS, BUT YOU ARE SPECIAL.
IT TAKES SEVEN MEMBERS AS YOU KNOW, TO UM, APPROVE A VARIANCE OR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
IT TAKES SEVEN MEMBERS, SEVEN VOTES TO OVERTURN AN APPEAL OF AN OFFICIAL AND IT TAKES SEVEN MEMBERS TO HOLD A MEETING.
THANKFULLY LATELY WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
UM, ONE THING TO BE AWARE OF IS A WALK-IN QUORUM.
THIS DOES NOT REALLY, I THINK IMPACT ZBA QUITE AS MUCH BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND WE ASK THAT YOU REALLY NOT DISCUSS THE CASES OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO JUST BE AWARE OF THIS UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.
SO A WALKING QUORUM IS WHERE YOU GO AND YOU SPEAK TO ONE MEMBER.
SO I GO AND I SPEAK TO MS. MORRIS AND THEN MS. MORRIS SPEAKS TO MS. JOHNSTON.
MS. JOHNSTON SPEAKS TO MS. HACKETT AND SO ON DOWN THE LINE.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE ONLY SPOKEN TO ONE OTHER PERSON COLLECTIVELY, WE MAY HAVE A QUORUM AND THERE IS A VIOLATION OF THE ACT BECAUSE THROUGH THE DAISY CHAIN.
AND SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE RISK OF A WALKING QUORUM.
IF YOU ARE TALKING WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND THEY GO AND TALK TO ANOTHER PERSON, THEY ARE PUTTING YOU AT RISK OF VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND SO IT'S ALWAYS SAFER FOR YOU TO JUST NOT TALK ABOUT THAT TYPE OF UM, ZBA CASES TO AVOID ANY RISK FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE THEM AT ZBA, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE A CITIZEN THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND THEY WISH TO SPEAK, TYPICALLY YOUR RESPONSE, UH, IS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION.
THERE IS A HOWEVER, UM, THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC AT TIMES BECAUSE IT CAN LEAD INTO A DEBATE.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS TO JUST REFER THEM TO STAFF OR LET THEM KNOW THAT SOMEBODY WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH THEM AFTER THE MEETING IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
UH, SOCIAL FUNCTIONS, CONFERENCES, CEREMONIAL EVENTS, THEY DO NOT NECESSARILY BE POSTED.
WE DO HAVE SOME BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS WHERE THEY ARE FRIENDS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A THANKSGIVING LUNCH TOGETHER OR A CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION AND THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.
YOU CAN GO AND ENJOY A SOCIAL FUNCTION AND YOU CAN HAVE A QUORUM THERE.
JUST DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE CITY BUSINESS.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WOULD COME IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD AS LONG AS YOU ARE LIMITING YOUR CONVERSATION, THEN THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM.
IF THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF CITY EVENTS WHERE WE EXPECT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DO A BIG CITYWIDE TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WILL AT THAT TIME POST A NOTICE OF POSSIBLE QUORUM TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT.
RIGHT? SO ALL OF OUR BOARDS FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
HOWEVER, YOU ARE A SMALL BOARD AND IF YOU READ THE VERY BIG BOOK THAT IS ROBERT'S RULES, THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAYS WHEN YOU'RE A SMALL BOARD, YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION.
AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING TO A T, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE EXACTLY RIGHT.
UM, FOR ROBERT'S RULES, THE MAIN THING THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT HERE IS JUST HOW THE CASE PROCEEDS AND THE CASE TYPICALLY PROCEEDS WITH STAFF PROVIDING A PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN GENERAL DISCUSSION.
NOW YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE.
YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER A MOTION IS MADE.
YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER A MOTION IS MADE.
THAT IS GONNA BE UP TO YOU AS A BOARD.
AND THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE UP TO YOUR CHAIR AS THEY ASK THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS WHEN THEY CALL SOMETHING FOR A VOTE VERSUS WHEN THEY ASK FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING WILL START WITH THE STAFF PARTICIPATION AND THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.
AND THEN ONCE THAT DISCUSSION AND PARTICIPATION HAS TAKEN PLACE, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IF A SECOND IS NOT MADE, THE MOTION WILL THEN FAIL FOR A LACK OF SECOND.
NOW, IF A MOTION IS, DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF VOTES AND THE MOTION FAILS, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
SO IF A MOTION IS MADE TO APPROVE AN ITEM, A MOTION IS MADE TO APPROVE A VARIANCE AND ONLY
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SIX MEMBERS VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION FOR ZBA, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE MOTION TO PASS.THE MOTION WOULD FAIL IN THAT INSTANCE.
THAT SERVES AS A DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.
HOWEVER, IF YOU MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST AND THAT MOTION FAILS BY ANY VOTE, WHATEVER THE VOTE IS, THAT DOES NOT SERVE AS AN APPROVAL, THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE MOTION TO DENY IS DENIED.
YOU WOULD THEN, IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT, HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IN ZBA THE PRACTICE IS OFTEN TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT.
HOWEVER, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT IS WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION AS TO WHAT YOUR MOTION IS AND HOW YOU VOTE ON IT.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, STAND HOW THAT WORKS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF HAD THAT COME UP BEFORE.
THERE'S ALSO A MOTION TO DENY AND THAT MOTION TO DENY IS APPROVED.
'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO A SECOND PART OF THAT.
IF A MOTION TO DENY IS APPROVED, THEN IT IS DENIED AND THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF IT.
JUST SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT SIX VOTES, WOULD IT DENY NO, 7, 7, 7.
AFTER YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN FOR ANY, ANY APPROVAL OR OR DENIAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CARRY IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN FOR A QUORUM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN TO APPROVE.
AND I WILL NEED TO CHECK YOUR BYLAWS TO SEE WHAT YOUR BYLAWS SAY ABOUT DENIAL BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE.
SO I'LL HAVE TO CHECK BACK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOUR BYLAWS WOULD ALLOW A MAJORITY, UM, OF A DENIAL TO WORK.
STATE LAW SAYS THAT IN ORDER FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SEVEN VOTES.
UM, THE REVERSE IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRUE FOR THE PURPOSES OF A DENIAL.
AND SO I NEED TO CHECK YOUR BYLAWS TO SEE WHAT YOUR BYLAWS HAVE SET IT AT.
AND I WILL DO THAT AT THE BREAK.
SO, UM, AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION AND YOUR SECOND, THEN TYPICALLY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSION IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS WARRANTED.
AND TYPICALLY BEFORE, UM, THE ITEM IS CALLED FOR VOTE, THE CHAIRPERSON WOULD RESTATE THE MOTION.
THAT WAY EVERYONE HAS CLARITY ON WHAT IS BEING VOTED ON.
AND THEN THE VOTE WOULD BE TAKEN.
IF YOU DO, TYPICALLY IT'S VOTING FOR VOTING IN OPPOSITION.
IF YOU DO NOT VOTE AND YOU HAVE NOT FILLED OUT THE PAPERWORK AND YOU DO NOT QUALIFY TO ABSTAIN FROM IT, THEN YOUR NON VOTE IS COUNTED AS A VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? OKAY.
ESSENTIALLY, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING UNLESS YOU HAVE A CONFLICT.
IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT THE CONFLICT FORM IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE ROOM AT THE TIME THE ITEM IS DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED.
SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT, THEN YOU DO HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE VOTE.
A NON VOTE IS CONSIDERED A VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE OR IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SO IF I REMAIN SILENT WHEN THE CHAIR ASKS FOR A VOTE, AUTOMATICALLY SHOOTS, IT BASICALLY SAYS I APPROVE WHEN THE MOTION, IF A MOTION IS TO APPROVE AND PEOPLE START VOTING AND THEN IF YOU DON'T VOTE, WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING AGAINST, YOUR VOTE IS COUNTED AS APPROVED.
THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THEN AFTER IT'S OVER, THE VOTE IS ANNOUNCED AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT WILL ALL BE DOCUMENTED DOWN IN AN ORDER WHICH IS SIGNED BY THE CHAIR.
AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
OKAY, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, THE REASON WHY WE TELL YOU THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND SO WHENEVER YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU JUST ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE TYPICALLY KEEPING ALL THINGS ZBA TO THE PUBLIC MEETING.
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JUST, I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER, EARLY SEPTEMBER, ALL THIS WENT TO A BANQUET OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAD ENOUGH OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS THERE.
SO BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WOULD THAT HAVE HAVE TO BE ANNOUNCED TO SAY, OH, WELL WE HAVE UH, CBA SENT TO THIS THING AND THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME PUBLIC NOTICE OF THAT? UH, NOT NEC IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING? SO, SO TYPICALLY IF THE CITY IS PUTTING ON A BANQUET LIKE THAT, WE WILL PUT A NOTICE OF A POSSIBLE QUORUM JUST TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THERE'S THIS FUNCTION WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE A QUARREL MAT.
UM, THAT IS JUST KIND OF A SAFETY.
BUT IF YOU ARE AT A SOCIAL FUNCTION, AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT ENGAGING IN ZBA BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU ALL GO TO CHURCH TOGETHER, THAT'S OKAY.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO CHURCH TOGETHER.
YOU'RE NOT ENGAGING IN ZBA BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
YOU GOT ONE MINUTE? YOU BETTER HURRY IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK.
WHAT'D YOU DO? JUST WIGGLE, WIGGLE IT OUT AND HOLD ON.
IT'S, IT'S ON STRESS LOGO RIGHT NOW.
DO WE HAVE, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 10.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO? OKAY.
BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE IMPLICATION? IF NOT, I WOULD DO.
YOU WOULD I'LL BE FINE OF THAT.
DEARLY FATHER WE COME TO GET OH, NOT JUST YOU.
WE'LL DO IT WHENEVER YOU WANT IT.
READY? ANYBODY? EVERYBODY'S GOOD? YEP.
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF GREEN PRIX ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS MEETING NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025.
I'M KIMBERLY AKIM DOYE CHAIRWOMAN OF THIS, OF THE ZONING BOARD ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS.
THIS MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS USUALLY MEETS THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.
ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VARIANCES, EXCEPTIONS AND APPEALS AS PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO 11.09 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THE CONCURRING VOTE OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS NECESSARY TO DECIDE ANY FAVOR OF AN APPLICANT ON ANY MATTER ON WHICH THE THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA UNDER A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL NOW PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL TO CONDUCT A A COM.
UH, TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM AFTER, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE KIMBERLY A. KIM DOYE.
JONATHAN HEAD, ERIC KADE AND VIVIAN MORRIS.
HERE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STACEY WHITE.
AND MR. BAKER IS HERE TECHNICALLY
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE INVOCATION GIVEN BY MR. BAKER OUS, PLEASE DEARLY.
FATHER, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE IN THE GREAT CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
LORD, WE, WE APPRECIATE THIS WEATHER WE'RE HAVING AND IT, IT IS THIS INTERESTING.
BUT WE APPRECIATE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HELP US PREPARE FOR US.
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FAIR AND EVEN WITH THE CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE, PROTECT US THROUGHOUT THE CITY.LORD, PROTECT OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND UH, THE POLICE OFFICERS LORD, AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THE DUTIES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, PROTECT ALL THE CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
OKAY, SO WE WILL COVER THE MEETING GUIDELINES IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS.
THE FOLLOWING MID MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.
APPLICANTS WILL HAVE 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN.
EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK WITH ADDITIONAL TIME ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.
SPEAKERS SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG FROM WHOM YOU REPRESENT.
STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM.
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SO OUR FIRST ACTION FOR THE NIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOT ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 MEETING.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE OF THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 ZBA MEETING MINUTES.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES ON OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 BY MR. BAKER.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY, THE MOTION PASSES BY A VOTE OF NINE ZERO.
WE ARE NOW AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CASES LISTED IN THE AGENDA.
THE ONLY ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS ZBA 25 DASH 10 DASH 0 0 6 9 AND WE WOULD JUST ASK STAFF TO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PRESENT.
ITEM TWO ZBA 25 10 0 0 6 9 IS A VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REQUEST.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 29 26 EAST MAIN STREET AND SHOWN HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE MAP TO YOUR FAR RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT MAP IN RED, THE PROPERTY ZONING IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE PROJECT IS AN EXISTING CARPORT.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CARPORT IS EXISTING.
THE CARPORT MEETS ARTICLE SIX DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT FOR THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR A VARIANCE TO DECREASE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM THE REQUIRED 25 TO THE PROPOSED FOUR.
ARTICLE SIX OF THE UDC DOES STATE WHEN A PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO ONE OR MORE STREETS, ALL SETBACKS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE A FRONT YARD.
THE CARPORT IS PLACED OVER EXISTING CONCRETE PAVING AND THERE IS A PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE STRUCTURE.
HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SUBJECT CARPORT FACING IT ALONG MACARTHUR DRIVING BY IT.
AND THEN A PERSPECTIVE FROM BEHIND THE FENCE FROM THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY.
ZONED PROPERTY STAFF SENT 15 NOTICES.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED.
THERE'S NOT A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND FOR THIS, UM, REQUEST STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT AS SUBMITTED.
MADAM CHAIR, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UH, AARON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, IN PAST THINGS WE'VE SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF NOTICES GO OUT.
THIS ONLY SHOWED 15 MM-HMM
AND WHEN WE DO THAT, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET.
SOMETHING AROUND THAT, UNLESS THEY'RE SMALLER LOTS.
SO WE TAKE IT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OFFSET AT 200 FEET.
WE ALSO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED FEET.
SO WHILE WE'RE REQUIRED TO ONLY DO A 200 FOOT NOTICE, WE ACTUALLY NOTIFY 300 FEET.
SO THEN THAT PICTURE YOU JUST HAD UP THERE OF THE, THIS, THIS HERE, THERE'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
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LOOKING DOWN MACARTHUR THERE, THAT THERE'S UH, ANYTHING WITHIN IT'S CONCEIVABLE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO IT.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
SO, SO FROM THIS TOP PROPERTY LINE, OFFSET THAT ABOUT 300 FEET.
LEGALLY WE HAVE TO DO TWO, WE DO THREE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE PICKING UP SOME PROPERTIES KIND OF BACK UP IN HERE AND KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, THERE'S JUST NOT A HUGE AMOUNT THAT WILL BE NOTIFIED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COOL.
I'D ASK MR. CHASE TO COME ON DOWN.
I WOULD JUST HERE REPRESENT MY CLIENT IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
CHASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
I'M CHASE NZI YARD AND I LIVE AT 10 32 ROCK SPRINGS BURLESON.
I WORK IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND UH, I HELP PEOPLE GET PERMITS AND APPLY FOR STUFF OR WHATEVER COS AND WHATNOT.
AND, UH, MY CLIENT AT THAT CAR LOT AND HE'S HAD THAT CARPORT THERE FOREVER AND WE WERE TOLD TO ATTACH IT AND I APPLIED AND THEN THEY SAID WE WERE IN THE SETBACK.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER 'EM.
NOW YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A, YOU DIDN'T CHECK BEFORE YOU BUILT IT AND UH, IT IS NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE SO IT CAME AND MOVED.
UM, SO, UH, AND IT'S BASICALLY ALL PARKING LOT EXCEPT FOR THE PERMANENT BUILDING, CORRECT? IT'S CAR SALES, RIGHT? IT'S CAR SALES.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY ALL JUST A PARKING LOT.
WELL, WELL EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING PARKING, UH, PLAN GOES IN TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR DISPLAY IS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED WHERE YOU CAN MOVE THAT.
THAT'S FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, WHICH IS DESIGNATED.
WHICH COULD BE, YOU COULD MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE, FROM PARCEL PLACES.
BUT IT, BUT IT'S, BUT EVEN AND YOU PUT IT IN THE BACK PART HALF OF THE VERY BACK OF YOUR LOT AND STILL HAVE THE SAME THING.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SELF-IMPOSED AND SO YOU COULD MOVE IT BACK THERE IN THE BACK.
IS IT PROBABLY NOT THAT HARD TO MOVE? IT'S NOT THAT BIG.
PROBABLY TAKE FOUR OR FIVE GUYS OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER MANY YES SIR.
AND YOU CAN AND PUT IT ON WHEELS DOLLIES AND ROLL IT AROUND AND THEN ANCHOR IT SO IT DOESN'T GET BLOWN AWAY.
IT WOULD BE THE SAFEST THING TO DO.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS SELF-IMPOSED AND, AND, AND THEN YOU'D BE OUT OF THE SEA'S HAIR AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH SELF-SATISFIED AT THAT POINT.
WE, WE WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM OUR CAR OURSELVES BECAUSE THE TRASH CANS UP AGAINST THAT BACK AREA WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WHERE THE TRASH CAN GOES.
BUT YOU MOVE TRASH CANS WHEREVER, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S, I'M SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S ALL DOABLE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT IS DOABLE.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT COULDN'T NOT BE ALL THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
DO YOU HAVE THE TRASH? CAN THAT YOU JUST IN THAT OPEN AREA ON THE LEFT SIDE OVER THERE WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING CAR REPORT.
IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, IN FRONT OF THOSE PARKING PLACES ON THE LEFT SIDE.
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR MOTIONS.
WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 5 1 0 0 0 6 9.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND TO, OH, LET ME FINISH THE MOTION SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ENCLOS ZBA 25 DASH 10 DASH 0 0 6 9.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND.
SO I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
WE WILL NOW CONDUCT A VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION PASSES BY VOTE OF SEVEN TWO.
WELL I DIDN'T, EVERYBODY EVERY, I DIDN'T STATE IT CORRECTLY, BUT I DID COUNT SO THE MOTION FAILS.
UH, BY A VOTE OF SEVEN, TWO, UH, WAS IT THREE TO SIX? EVERYBODY THAT SAYS IT WAS MYSELF AND CJ THAT APPROVED.
EVERYONE ELSE OPPOSED? YOU HAVE ONE OVER HERE? OH, SHERA.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION FAILS SIX THREE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
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MOVE TO THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UH, ANY CITIZEN MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM? NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING FOR TONIGHT.