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CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.THIS MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS HEREBY CALL BACK TO ORDER AT 6:06 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A CREDIT AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, PUBLIC HEARING, CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, OR ROUTINE ITEMS, WHICH CAN ALL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.
HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA.
INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD.
THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM BEING CALLED, I'LL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL WITH MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
IF I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE, CHERYL SMITH.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR VICTOR MEDDIN.
AND NOW WE WILL HAVE THE INDICATION BY COMMISSIONER TODD CHAPMAN.
AND WE WILL HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANK GONZALEZ LEAD US TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE US AND TEXAS FLIES.
MOST GRACIOUS AND EVERLASTING FATHER, WE COME IN YOUR DARLING SON JESUS' NAME.
THANK YOU LORD GOD FOR THIS ASSEMBLY.
THANK YOU LORD GOD, FOR OUR HEARTS AND MINDS THAT ARE CONSECRATED TO YOU, FATHER GOD, THAT WE WOULD DO THE WILL OF THE CITY, FATHER GOD AND ITS RESIDENTS.
WE THANK YOU LORD GOD, THAT YOU HAVE PROTECTED US FROM BOTH DANGEROUS SEEN AND UNSEEN.
LORD GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU THEN CONTINUE TO REIGN.
FATHER GOD IN OUR LIVES, FATHER GOD, TOUCH FATHER GOD.
THOSE THAT ARE BOTH FAR NEAR HERE, HEAL THOSE THAT ARE SICK.
FATHER GOD AND FATHER GOD, PROTECT THOSE THAT DEFEND THIS ME CITY AND OUR COUNTRY.
LORD GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MOMENT.
WE THANK YOU LORD GOD THAT WE COULD UNITE UNDER YOUR NAME IN PRAYER.
LORD GOD, WE JUST PRAISE YOU AND LIFT YOU UP IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
IT IS IN YOUR DAUGHTER, SON, JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS LIBERTY, JUSTICE FLAG, TEXAS, THE CITY SECRETARY, THE EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS, THE FOLLOWING DUTY GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TO, EXCUSE ME, IT'S COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN WITH EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD, WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM WE REPRESENT IF APPLICABLE.
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION AT ANY TIME AT THIS TIME.
CITIZENS MAY SPEAK UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NOT FOR THIS ITEM.
WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR OTHER ITEMS. OKAY, THANK YOU.
[PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSIDERATION IS APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA.THERE'S ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2025 B AND Z MEETING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO ANYONE CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NOT FOR THE ITEM, MA'AM.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 25.
I SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
ALL YOUR FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND MOTION NEXT PLEASE.
ALL GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
[2. TAM-25-09-0034 – Text Amendment – Appendix S: Development Standards for Multi-family and Mixed-Use Residential Developments. An Ordinance of the City of Grand Prairie, Texas, amending the Grand Prairie Unified Development Code (UDC) by adding Appendix S, Development Standards for Multi-family and Mixed-Use Residential Developments Subject to SB 840 passed by the 89th Texas Legislature, codified in Chapter 218 of the Texas Local Government Code; Repealing all Ordinances or Parts of Ordinances in Conflict Herewith; Containing a Savings Clause and a Severability Clause; Containing a Penalty Clause, and Establishing an Effective Date]
THIS NEXT ITEM IS A TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, APPENDIX S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.SO THIS REQUEST CREATES APPENDIX S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY
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AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS SUBJECT TO SB EIGHT 40.THE CHANGES ARE IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUATION OF HIGH QUALITY GROWTH WITH DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WILL HELP PRESERVE OR IMPROVE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND ENSURE THE CONTINUED HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT AND MOBILITY OF THE CITY.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, ITEMS ON THE TABLE, THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, THE SETBACK AND THE HEIGHT ARE STIPULATED BY SB EIGHT 40.
UH, WE ARE ADDING A LIMITATION OF A MAXIMUM OF FIVE BUILDINGS PER SITE INCLUDED THE LEASE OFFICE OR CLUBHOUSE.
UH, WE'RE SETTING A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ONE BEDROOM UNITS AT 1000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN WE ARE ESTABLISHING, UH, THE UNIT MIX REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONE BEDROOMS UNITS HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR 10% OF THE TOTAL UNITS IN THE PROJECT.
TWO BEDROOM UNITS MUST ACCOUNT FOR 30% AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS MUST ACCOUNT FOR 60% FOR THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
WALLS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A 10 FOOT MASONRY.
SCREENING WALL WALLS ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, ARE REQUIRED AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL.
AN EXCEPTION MAY BE GRANTED FOR WROUGHT IRON FENCING WITH COLUMNS, AND THAT EXCEPTION MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OR DESIGNEE.
UH, FOR THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING ON SITE, WE ARE ESTABLISHING A 30% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SITE MUST BE LANDSCAPED.
UH, FOR THE REQUIRED TREES, UH, WE'RE REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCH CPER TREES AT A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET AND HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING.
AND THAT ONE TREE MUST BE PLANTED FOR EVERY 500 SQUARE FEET OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING AREA.
UH, WE ARE ESTABLISHING ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S CONTAINED IN APPENDIX W OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THE FIRST IS FOR A POOL, WE'RE REQUIRING AN OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOL AT A MINIMUM SIZE OF 13,448 SQUARE FEET OF THE SURFACE AREA.
WE'RE REQUIRING A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE.
UM, THAT MUST BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT.
AND THEN THE LENGTH THAT TRAIL IS REQUIRED TO BE EQUAL TO OR EXCEEDING 25% OF THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THAT TRAIL, THAT INTERNAL TRAIL MUST CONNECT TO A BEDDING, SIDEWALKS OR TRAILS WITHIN THE GRAND PRAIRIE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND FOR THE PORTIONS OF THAT TRAIL THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL SHALL BE THE LARGER WIDTH NOTED IN UDC ARTICLE 12.
UH, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR THE BIKES MASTER PLAN, UH, FOR THE ON STREET PARKING STANDARDS, WE'RE REQUIRING A PARKING DIMENSION OF 20, UH, 10 FOOT BY 20 FEET.
UH, WE'RE NOT, UH, PERMITTING COMPACT PARKING FOR THE STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS.
IF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, IT SHALL BE PROVIDED AS A RETENTION BASIN.
UM, UTILITIES MUST BE ADEQUATELY SERVED PER CITY REQUIREMENTS, AND WE'RE ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT.
SO ONE PIECE OF ART IS REQUIRED IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA, CLUBHOUSE AREA, OR VISIBLE, VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THE VALUE OF THE ART REQUIRED IS EQUAL OR GREATER IN VALUE, UH, $4 PER SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURES THAT ARE INCLUDE THE HOUSING OR THAT INCLUDE THE DWELLING UNITS.
UH, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, A, THE DEVELOPER MAY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART FUND, AN AMOUNT OF $2 PER SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURES THAT CONTAIN DWELLING UNITS, UH, THE ART STANDARDS.
THEY MUST BE, UH, PERMANENTLY FIXED WEATHER RESISTANT.
AND THEN THE OWNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT ARTWORK.
AND THIS ITEM IS ALSO BEING PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AT LATER AT THEIR AGENDA, AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. COMMISSIONER DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER
IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR SENATE BILL EIGHT 40, WE BE DOING THESE CHANGES.
SO I WILL NOTE THAT THESE CHANGES ARE IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUATION OF HIGH QUALITY GROWTH WITH DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WILL HELP PRESERVE OR IMPROVE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND ENSURE THE CONTINUED HEALTH, SAFETY AND COMFORT AND MOBILITY OF THE CITY.
WE, WE PREVIOUSLY BRIEFED THE P AND Z ON SENATE BILL EIGHT 40.
SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL EIGHT 40, UH, ALLOW, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND, AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN CERTAIN COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND GENERAL RETAIL ZONES BY RIGHT.
UM, MOST OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, CAN GO IN
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WITH ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, REVIEW AND DON'T HAVE COUNCIL REVIEWS.SO, UH, THESE, UM, THESE REQUIREMENTS IN APPENDIX S ARE TO ENSURE THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE THAT CONTINUED, UM, HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE THAT WE PROVIDE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
IN, IN LIGHT OF SD MR. TIM, IT'S SO SAVANNAH OR JULIE, UM, HOW DO WE GRANDFATHER IN THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED? IS THERE, WHAT'S THE PROTOCOL FOR THAT? AND THEN, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, DOES IT STIPULATE FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU GOTTA MESH, RIGHT? OKAY.
AND IF WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED A SERIES OF APARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE THIS CRITERIA AND THEY'RE NOT YET CONSTRUCTED, DO WE GO BACK TO THEM NOW AND THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED? OR DOES IT JUST START WHENEVER? SO ONCE, IF THIS IS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD MUST DEVELOP TO THESE STANDARDS.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO ANY, UH, ANY CHANGE WE IMPLEMENT IN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WE DON'T GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, NOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD TO THIS STANDARD.
IF THEY HAVE GAINED THOSE APPROVALS, THEN THEY'RE CONSIDERING CONFORMING TO THE STANDARDS THAT WERE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS JUST THAT THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE STANDARDS ALREADY ADOPTED FOR FORMAL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S WORK PLAN AND ZONING HAS WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THE CITY UP TO A, TO SPEED INTO A BETTER PLACE, I THINK.
AND, UM, THIS IS A LOT TO SWALLOW BECAUSE THIS IS A STATEWIDE MAN MANDATE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE STILL NEED TO PROTECT OUR CITY, IN MY OPINION.
SO, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH'S COMMISSION? CHA? UM, CAN THIS BE MODIFIED AT ANY TIME WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL OR IS THIS IT LIKE, SO I, I WILL SAY THAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CONSIDERED A WORKING DOCUMENT AND THAT WE OFTEN BRING TEXT AMENDMENTS, UM, TO UPDATE OUR STANDARDS OR TO ACCOUNT FOR, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T FORESEE BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
UM, SO THIS IS DONE THROUGH A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT GOES, UH, BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND ULTIMATELY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON ACCIDENTALLY.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET ALL THOSE TOGETHER? DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS? NOT THIS SIDE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS A LOT AND THERE'S A LOT IN THE PACKET.
I TRIED MY BEST TO REVIEW IT BEST I COULD.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE STEP, YOU KNOW, FOR GRAND PRAIRIE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS IN PLACE WITH REGARD TO OUR FLOW THAT WE WORKED SO HARD WITH.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER FEDCO? SURE.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND VOTE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE TEXT AMENDMENT UHT AM DASH 25 DASH NINE DASH FOUR A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM TWO BY COMMISSIONER ERCO AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LUCKY.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AS PER DRC APPROVED RECOMMENDATIONS.
NEXT CASE PLEASE SHOULD NOT SURE.
I COULDN'T INCLUDE THE PICTURE IN THERE.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON YOUR AGENDA.
THIS IS CPA TWO FIVE DASH OH NINE DASH ZERO ZERO.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE? YES, MA'AM.
SHOULD I TALK ABOUT THE TABLE IN HERE? I DIDN'T ANNOUNCE THE TABLING OF YES, RIGHT.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, UM, ITEMS NUMBER THREE, FOUR AND FIVE, ITEM THREE CPA 25 0 8 0 0 1 9 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMEN FOR MAGUS TIRES AND BREAKS.
NUMBER FOUR, ZERON 25 0 8 2 2 0 0 2 9.
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ALSO FOR MAGUS AND SUP 25 0 8 0 0 2 7 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SITE ALSO FOR MAGUS ARE MAKE TABLE TO THE NEXT.ACTUALLY, THEY WERE ALL WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
[6. CPA-25-09-0021 - Comprehensive Plan Amendment – 402 & 406 NW 20th St. (City Council District 5). Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation from Commercial/Retail/Office to Low Density Residential on 0.34 acres. Lots 11 and 12, Block 169, Dalworth Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned General Retail (GR) District, within the SH 161 Corridor Overlay, and addressed as 402 & 406 NW 20th Street]
YOU.THIS IS ITEM SIX ON YOUR AGENDA, UH, CPA 2 5 0 9 DASH 0 2 1.
THIS IS AN ACCOMPANYING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON YOUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A ZONE CHANGE.
BOTH ARE FOR TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 4 0 2 AND 4 0 6 NORTHWEST 20TH STREET.
THESE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, WITH THE INTENT TO DEVELOP TWO NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN ORDER TO DO SO.
WE FIRST START OFF WITH THE, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
CURRENTLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, OR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS CALLING FOR THESE AREAS, THESE TWO PROPERTIES TO BE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE.
IN ORDER TO ALIGN THE ZONE CHANGE, UH, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO ON SCREEN YOU'LL SEE AN EXISTING FEATURE, LAND USE MAP WITH THE PROPOSED FEATURE LAND USE MAP.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE TWO PROPERTIES WITH THE REQUESTS ARE BEING, UH, CHANGED TO LOW DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL FROM COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE.
AND SO FOR THE, UH, ITEM OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, STAFF IS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOTE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS.
ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A BLOCK THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND TWO, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND WEST.
AND I WILL COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
[7. ZON-25-08-0031 - Zoning Change – 402 & 406 NW 20th St. (City Council District 5). Zoning Change from General Retail (GR) to Single Family Six (SF-6) on 0.34 acres. Lots 11 and 12, Block 169, Dalworth Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned General Retail (GR) District, within the SH 161 Corridor Overlay, and addressed as 402 and 406 NW 20th Street]
SO ITEM SEVEN, LIKE I MENTIONED, IS A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST FROM, UH, GENERAL RETAIL, UH, TO SINGLE FAMILY SIX RESIDENTIAL.AND AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO DEVELOP TWO NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON TWO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.
AND WITH THIS REQUEST, UH, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED.
ADDITIONALLY, 51 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME AS THE ACCOMPANYING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO EITHER ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER JACK? YEAH, UM, MY THOUGHT IS WOULD A, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE BE ABLE TO GO INTO THAT LOCATION OR EVEN YEAH, CONVENIENCE STORE OR LIQUOR STORE? WOULD THAT ACCOUNT IS RETAIL OR I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC USE, BUT GENERALLY GENERAL RETAIL, IF YOU CAN THINK OF RETAIL STORES.
COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I GUESS MAYBE, UH, COMMISSIONER, MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN NO REQUEST FOR THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW ANY, WHAT ANY MARKETING STUDIES DONE OR ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE MARKETING DONE.
I WILL SAY THAT THE, UH, DEVELOPER HAS RECENTLY ACQUIRED THESE NEW, UM, OR I'M SORRY, RECENTLY ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES AND IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THOSE INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND JUST IF I CAN, SO I DON'T, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT QUESTION WAS KIND OF LIKE JUST ONE WAY.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE US TURN DOWN SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL WHEN SOMETHING ELSE COULD COME IN AND IT COULD PRESENT POSSIBLY MORE TRAFFIC OR AN UNDESIRED SORT OF OUTCOME FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS COMING IN.
SO, AND IF I, IF I COULD ADD TO THIS, THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL REQUEST THAT WE SEE.
THERE ARE AREAS IN OLDER PARTS OF GRAND PRAIRIE WHERE THERE, UH, THE SUBJECT LOCATION IS ON A BLOCK OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, BUT THE ZONING IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, AND, AND AT ONE POINT THIS MAY HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED OR DESIRED TO BE A REALLY LARGE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE ALONG 1 61.
AND SO AS, UH, PEOPLE WANT TO DEVELOP HOUSING, THEY'RE COMING IN AND REZONING THESE LOTS, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT AS WE NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, TO THE RESIDENTIAL, TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH, AND TO THE WEST.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, SAVANNAH.
I, I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
AND EVEN, EVEN THOUGH FLU SAYS THAT IT IS NOT CONSISTENT BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
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IS THAT PRETTY MUCH? SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, IS THE, AS THE APPLICANT HERE, THE APPLICANT UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SAL? BECAUSE HE, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARD TO THIS CASE.
AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ARI.
SO THIS IS YOUR, GARY, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SALVO? NO.
AND I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT LAST MONTH, RIGHT? WE OKAY.
AND SHERIFF, I MAY SAY ONE LAST THING.
UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY TOWER WORTH, UM, AREA, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND LIKE SAVANNAH MENTIONED, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMONLY PRESENTED, UM, AMONG THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO OLD MM-HMM
UM, THE ZONING JUST DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE USE.
I THINK THERE'S A BREADTH OF FRESH AIR, ACTUALLY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND BUILD TWO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ON THERE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
AND IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE MORE FOLLOW UP POINT AS WE WORK THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND MOVE NORTH IN THE CITY, THESE TYPES OF AREAS WHERE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T MATCH, THE ZONING DISTRICT DOESN'T MATCH THE, THE FLU.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO, MS. GOOD, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS.
DID WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CHECK IF WE HAVE ANY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS RECORD.
UM, ANY PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ANY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS? UM, COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU NOT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? UH, YES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEMS SIX SEAT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CPA 2 5 0 9 0 0 2 1.
AND ITEM SEVEN ZERO N 2 5 0 8 0 0 3 1 TO, UH, APPROVE PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
I HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM SIX BY COMMISSIONER AL CONRIE AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[8. SUP-25-08-0030 - Specific Use Permit - Registered Group Home (City Council District 4). Specific Use Permit for a Registered Group Home on 0.15 acres. Lot 4, Block D, Kingswood Forest Addition Phase I, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, zoned Planned Development-169 (PD-169) district, and addressed as 2747 Sedgemoor Dr]
ON YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS SUP 2 5 0 8 0 0 3 OH.THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A REGISTERED GROUP HOME LOCATED AT 27 47 SMORE DRIVE THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED PD 1 69 AND DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
HERE IS A STREET VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING THAT ALL GROUP LIVING UNITS REGISTER WITH THE CITY ONCE THEY'VE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY STAFF DETERMINES IF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AN SUP IS REQUIRED IF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN 2,500 FEET OF ANOTHER GROUP LIVING, UM, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN 2,500 FEET OF TWO OTHER RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES SHOWN IN RED.
BOTH PROPERTIES ARE A LITTLE OVER 2200 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT IS A REGISTERED TYPE B ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY PROVIDER WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2019.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TYPE B ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WHICH IS FOR RESIDENTS WHO REQUIRE STAFF ASSISTANCE TO LEAVE THE FACILITY AND ARE NOT CAPABLE OF FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS IN EMERGENCY OR REQUIRE NIGHTTIME ATTENDANCE.
THE OPERATIONS AND CLIENTELE ARE REGULATED BY THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPO PROPOSING PROVIDING SERVICES TO INCLUDE MEALS, MEDICATION MANAGEMENT, HEALTH MONITORING, TRANSPORTATION, AND PERSONAL CARE.
OPERATIONALLY, THE FACILITY IS A 24 HOUR OPERATION THAT WILL BE STAFFED FOR 24 HOURS WITH BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX NON ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF MEMBERS.
SO CAREGIVERS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF SIX CLIENTS AND THE STAFF WILL UNDERGO CRIMINAL BACKGROUND AND SIX OFFENDER CHECKS, EMPLOYEE MISCONDUCT,
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REGISTRY CHECKS AND CREDENTIAL VERIFICATIONS.62 NOTICES WERE SENT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION FROM TWO UNIQUE ADDRESSES SHOWN IN RED.
AND THE DRC RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS NOT EXCEED SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES.
A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM APPROVED AND INSPECTED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL IS REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT MUST MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STATE REGULATIONS AND LOCAL ORDINANCES MUST BE AN APPROVED GROUP HOME FACILITY IN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
MAINTAIN ALL REQUIRED STATE LICENSES AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, MA'AM.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER FOR THAT ROOM? I DO.
SO, UH, AARON, THE CUT AND PASTE IN THE CONCLUSION THAT COMES FROM THE DEVELOPER AND AND THE PACKET? IT DOES, YES.
SO SHE, THEY, THEY USE THE WORD SENIOR.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY GONNA BE 59 AND A HALF PLUS IT'LL BE 60 AND UP.
IS THAT IN THE CODE OR IN OUR COMPLIANCE? IT'S NOT.
SO THERE'S NO AGE RESTRICTION? NO, IT'S JUST HER WORD THAT OUT.
AND, AND SHE'S, SHE ALSO HAS TO GET LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF, UM, REGULATION BY THE STATE.
IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE STATE ANYWHERE THAT STATES THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO BE 60 AND OVER? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ERY? I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY SORT OF VISITATION PERMITTED? THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
HOWEVER, I'M GONNA JUMP IN AND SAY YES, THAT FAMILIES ARE ALLOWED TO COME AND VISIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE APPLICANT, NISHA MOORE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK OR WISHES TO RECORD HER SUPPORT.
IS THAT THE ONLY PART YOU HAVE? NO, WE HAVE SEVERAL CARDS, BUT THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S CARD I THINK.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT.
I LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME UP IF, UH, YOU'RE WANTING US TO CONSIDER APPRO THIS? YES MA'AM.
IF YOU WANNA COACH THE PODIUM, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS TANISHA MOORE AND MY ADDRESS IS 2112 DE NIRO DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 1 3 4.
AND, UM, IF, IF WE'RE READING PAPERWORK CORRECTLY, YOU ALREADY HAVE A, A AND A, A GROUP HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE? YES, MA'AM.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THE OTHER GROUP HOME? UM, JU UM, JULY OF 2019.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATION FOR THIS OR DO YOU HAVE TO GET ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATION FOR THE SECOND LOCATION? YES.
SO EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE RE-CERTIFIED STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING WHERE I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PUT IN, GO OUT THROUGH THE CITY REGULATIONS AND THEN APPLY THROUGH THE, UM, HHSC WHERE THEY WILL SEND OUT A FIRST YOU HAVE TO DO A BUILDING SAFETY INSPECTION AND THEN A HEALTH INSPECTION.
AND THEN YEARLY, ANNUAL INSPECTIONS ARE REQUIRED.
ALSO, I, UH, DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR BROOK PHONES BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO GO TO THE, UH, CENTERS AND IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MY CONCERN IS CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND THE CAPACITY OF UP TO SIX, I I KNOW FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.
THAT HOUSE IS NOT THAT BIG, SO I DON'T, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET SIX, UH, RESIDENTS IN THAT HOUSE COMFORTABLY.
SO IT HAS SIX BEDROOMS. UM, MY CURRENT ONE HAS SIX BEDROOMS. IT DOESN'T HAVE SIX BEDROOMS. IT, IT IS, WELL IT MUST HAVE MADE 'EM TWO BEDROOM BECAUSE YES MA'AM.
THAT WAS A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE.
A THREE, IT WASN'T A SIX BEDROOM.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT TO ME.
SO YOU, WHEN WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT A, UM, A DA COMPLIANT, SO YOU CHANGE BEDROOMS AROUND, YOU HAVE TO WIDEN DOORWAYS, UH, PUT IN A WALK-IN SHOWER, INSTALL A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO MOST OF THE HOME HAS LIVING SECOND LIVING AND DINING ROOM SPACES, THOSE WERE MADE INTO BEDROOMS. THAT'S, I SAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE THAT SPACE IS
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NOT THAT BIG.AND I, I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH YOU PUTTING SO MANY PEOPLE CLOSE TOGETHER.
AND THE ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS CODE COMPLIANCE.
I HAVE KNOW OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER AREAS THAT I'VE HAD CONCERN WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS COMING IN, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS LEFT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR PICK UP HER TRASH AND THEN THERE'LL BE, UH, AMBULANCES COMING LATE AT NIGHT AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ITS PLUSES AND MINUSES.
SO I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOUR, UM, IF YOU HAD ANY CONCERNS AT ALL WITHIN YOUR OTHER LOCATION.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE AMBULANCE SERVICES, UM, SOMETIMES YOU'LL GO MONTHS AND NOBODY GETS SICK.
SO IT IS JUST BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING CARE OF SENIORS, THEY ARE DELICATE.
SO THEY DO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHANGES AND THINGS, UM, WHERE THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TO GO OUT OR THE DOCTOR COMES BY MONTHLY TO DO VISITS AND SOMETHING MAY CHANGE AND THEY MAY REQUEST THAT THEY BE SENT OUT OR SOME, OR THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WHERE, UM, THEY'RE NEEDING EMERGENCY SERVICES TO COME OUT ALSO.
UM, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE RESIDENTS AT THE TIME.
SO IT IS JUST MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY, YOU HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES COME IN, IT IS BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS GOTTEN SICK OR THEY HAVE A CHANGE IN CONDITION WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY NEED TO GO OUT FOR THOSE TYPE OF SERVICES.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY YOU HAD SIX RESIDENTS AND PARKING.
HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF YOU HAVE THAT MANY FOLKS COMING TO VISIT SIX AND THEN YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, UM, WITH MY CURRENT ONE, I HAVE EIGHT RESIDENTS.
SO THEY, UM, THE VISITATION IS OPEN DAILY FROM 10 TO SEVEN.
AND THEN IF YOU NEED TO, IF THEIR LOVED ONES NEED TO VISIT OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS, THEY USUALLY CALL.
SO DURING THE DAYTIME YOU MAY HAVE HOME HEALTH SERVICES COME IN OR YOU MAY HAVE, UM, WHERE THE, UH, DOCTOR'S OFFICE WILL COME IN.
MOST OF THE TIME THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS USUALLY VISIT THEM EITHER IN THE EVENING TIME OR MOSTLY ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS LONG SO THEY ABLE TO PARK INTO THE DRIVEWAY OR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES.
UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU TYPICALLY WON'T SEE WHERE A LOT OF FAMILY MEMBERS VISIT ALL AT ONE TIME.
UH, MOST OF THEM, THEY COME IN, UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG, THEY'LL DROP IN, CHECK ON THEM AND YOU KNOW, SIGN TO SIT WITH 'EM SOMETIME AND THEN THEY'LL LEAVE.
UM, SO IT'S JUST DIFFERENT TIMES YOU'RE DOING WELL AND THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT THAT LARGE AND THE PARKING, THE DRIVE IS NOT THAT LONG.
SO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HOME HAS, UH, TWO DRIVING SPOTS SO YOU CAN ABLE TO FIT FOUR VEHICLES INTO THE DRIVEWAY AT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, HOME.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CHAPLIN? YES MA'AM.
UH, FIRST I WANNA SAY WE, WE ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION IN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, SO WE WANT YOU HERE.
SO WE ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS.
WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND? I'M A REGISTERED NURSE.
AND YOU ARE THE OWNER APPLICANT, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
UM, ORIGINALLY I ASKED ABOUT, UM, THE RATIO, UH, AND I WAS GIVEN THE FOUR TO SIX RATIO.
SO FOUR PEOPLE ON STAFF, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ATTEND TO THE SIX RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN THERE.
WHAT ARE THE OCCUPATIONS OF THAT FOR? SO THEY ARE CAREGIVERS OF THEIR LICENSED AS, UH, CERTIFIED NURSING AIDES.
UM, THEY HAVE CPR UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ALSO, UM, ACCORDING TO THE STATE, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CNA LICENSE, THAT'S A, A REQUIREMENT OF MINE.
UM, SO THEY CAN BE JUST A LAY PERSON THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN TEACH HOW TO DO THINGS.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOUR, UM, IS THERE, UH, IS IT ACTUALLY STAFFED WITH AN RN? SO I'M A REGISTERED NURSE MYSELF.
UH, HHSC DOES REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE A MANAGER ON DUTY ALONG WITH, UH, THE CAREGIVERS ALSO.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGNATED PERSON THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WENT THROUGH TRAINING AS A MANAGER ALONG WITH OUTSIDE OF MYSELF AND THEN THEIR CAREGIVERS THAT ARE THERE ON STAFF.
SO USUALLY, TYPICALLY THEY WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT FROM SIX TO SIX.
SO DURING THE DAYTIME THERE'S A MANAGER THERE IN THE DAYTIME ALONG WITH A CAREGIVER.
SO YOU'LL HAVE MOSTLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE DAYTIME AND THEN ONE CARE CAREGIVER AT NIGHT THAT'S AWAKE AND ALERT.
YOU GOT ME CONFUSED ON THE NUMBERS, SO LET ME BREAK IT DOWN.
SO THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE STAFFING IT, OKAY.
THEY'RE NOT ALL THERE AT ONE TIME.
YOU GOT ONE, YOU GOT TUTOR THAT ARE WORKING A 12 HOUR SHIFT PLUS ONE NURSE, THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO THAT COME IN ON ANOTHER 12 HOUR SHIFT PLUS A NURSE.
SO HHSC REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FOUR PEOPLE ON YOUR STAFF TO BE
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ABLE TO ROTATE OUT.AND THEN, UM, I JUST DID A LITTLE QUICK RESEARCH MYSELF.
UH, I KNOW THE STATE SAYS A ONE TO EIGHT AT ALL TIMES.
CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE DAY ACTIVITY AND HEALTH SERVICES, THE VARYING NEEDS THERE? SO, UH, MOST OF THEM REQUIRE, UH, SO YOU GO TO DO MEAL ASSISTANCE.
SO THEY ALL REQUIRE THAT YOU COOK THEIR MEALS FOR THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE KITCHEN AREA.
UM, SO YOU HELP THEM GET DRESSED.
SOME OF THEM CAN DRESS ON THEIR OWN.
SOME OF 'EM REQUIRE ASSISTANCE TO GET DRESSED.
THEY, UH, MAY NEED TRANSFER ASSISTANCE TO AND FROM A WHEELCHAIR.
UM, SOME OF THEM WALK AROUND INDEPENDENTLY.
UH, SOME OF THEM MAY NEED, UH, HELP WITH INCONTINENT CARE, SHOWERING, UM, DRESSING, BATHING, GROOMING, UM, MEDICATION MANAGEMENT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CAREGIVER IS THERE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.
UM, SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE SOMEONE THERE TO TEND TO THEM FOR ALL THEIR NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND JUST TO, UM, MADAM CHAIR'S POINT, I WAS CONCERNED TOO ABOUT THE SIZING.
I'M SEEING THAT THIS IS A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
AND AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN SPACES AND DONE RENOVATIONS ALREADY THAT DIRECTLY MAKE THIS ONE INDEPENDENT ROOM PER RESIDENT WITH THE SHOWER, STALL AND BATHROOM? CORRECT.
SO THERE ARE THREE BATHS IN THE HOUSE.
TWO, WELL, TWO FOUR BATHS AND ONE HALF BATH.
UM, SO, UH, WITH SIX RESIDENTS, EACH ONE OF THEM BASICALLY HAVE THEIR OWN BEDROOM.
SO AT MY HOUSE THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY, THERE ARE EIGHT RESIDENTS THERE.
SO THERE ARE FOUR PRIVATE ROOMS AND THEN TWO SHARED ROOMS. OKAY.
THAT, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION MA'AM, ABOUT, UM, RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND, AND HOW THEY GET OUTSIDE AND EXERCISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? SO A LOT OF THEM DO HAVE HOME HEALTH SERVICES WHERE THEY COME OVER AND THEY HAVE A THERAPIST THAT DO, UH, ROUTINE EXERCISES WITH THEM TO HELP WITH MOBILITY MANAGEMENT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DAILY ACTIVITIES, UH, AS FAR AS EXERCISING, THEY TAKE PLAY DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FOR GAME WISE.
UM, THEY TYPICALLY, UH, THEY CAN GO OUT AND WALK AND DO THINGS.
IF THEY WANNA GO OUTSIDE, THEY CAN DO THOSE, UH, SIT OUTSIDE IN THE BACKYARD ALSO.
UH, SO IT, THEY ARE MOSTLY VERY ALERT SO THEY CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT VERY MANY THERE THAT CAN'T EXPRESS THEIR NEEDS.
UM, SO GUESS I'M CONFUSED 'CAUSE I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE PEOPLE THAT, THAT NEEDED A LOT OF ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTING INDEPENDENTLY.
SO I HAVE RESIDENTS THAT, THAT NEED A LOT OF ASSISTANCE BUT ARE VERY ALERT.
SO, UM, THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM, I THINK MY YOUNGEST ONE RIGHT NOW IS 72 AND THE OLDEST ONE BEING 96.
SO IT, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ONE OF THEM TAKING CARE OF CURRENTLY THAT CANNOT SPEAK AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE.
BUT YOU'VE ALREADY TARGETED SIX FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, CORRECT? NO, SO IT, IT, IT, UM, SO I, THEY ARE LOCATOR SERVICES THAT HELP YOU BRING IN PEOPLE.
WE GO OUT AND DO ASSESSMENTS ON THEM, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MEET THEIR NEEDS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY COME INTO THE FACILITY.
AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT SOUND JUVENILE, BUT UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE BACKGROUND ON THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE BRINGING INTO THE COMMUNITY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROVIDERS YOU RUN BACKGROUND CHECKS ON, BUT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS, IS THERE A SCREENING PROCESS FOR THAT? SO THERE'S NOT A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO DO, UM, WHAT IS IT CALLED? A SEXUAL ASSAULT, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK ON THEM JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE A A, THAT TYPE OF BACKGROUND, SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND.
THANK YOU MA'AM FOR YOUR TIME.
COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, THAT WAS, UM, A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.
UM, SO SINCE YOU'VE HAD YOUR, UH, OTHER FACILITIES SINCE JULY OF 2019, HOW MANY, UM, IF YOU'VE HAD ANY, ANY INFRACTIONS OVER THAT DURATION? EITHER FROM THE CITY OR FROM THE STATE? I HAVEN'T HAD ANY.
I I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BASED ON COMMISSIONER CHAPEL'S QUESTION.
SINCE YOU GOTTA HAVE TWO FACILITIES, YOU GONNA HAVE AN RN IN, EACH OF YOU GONNA BE GOING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? SO I DON'T PARTICULARLY WORK AT THE FACILITIES.
SO THERE'S A MANAGER THAT KINDA MANAGES THE DAY TO DAY AND THEN I GET TOGETHER WITH THAT PERSON.
SO, SO YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONLY RN? YES, MA'AM.
SO FOR TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
SO YOU CAN'T BE AT TWO PLACES AT ONCE.
SO THERE IS A, A MANAGER ON STAFF, BUT THAT MANAGER'S NOT AN RN THOUGH.
BUT EACH RESIDENT THERE HAS A PHYSICIAN, UH,
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THAT ALSO HAS HOME HEALTH WITH A NURSE THAT THEY CAN CALL FOR BACKUP IF THEY NEED THAT TYPE OF ASSISTANCE ALSO.BUT IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN RN TO BE ON PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM.
I REALLY THINK THIS IS A, A DEFINITE NEED IN, IN THIS.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF GROUP HOMES AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, IT MAKES ME WONDER, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE COULD BE SOME MODIFICATIONS THERE.
UM, I I GUESS MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS A NEED IN THIS PARTICULAR HOME, IN THIS COMMUNITY? OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE YOU, UH, THERE'S A HOME AVAILABLE? HOW DID YOU, WAS THERE YOUR RESEARCH? UM, WELL, UH, I STARTED OFF IN, UH, SKILLED NURSING.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY, ONCE THEY GET THROUGH WITH SKILL CARE, THEY EITHER NEED TO, UH, BE PUT INTO LONG-TERM CARE OR THEY NEED ASSISTED LIVING, OR THERE'S A BIG GAP WHERE THEY EITHER CANNOT AFFORD IT OR THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR LONG-TERM CARE.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THOSE THAT, UM, I CAN, I CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXTRA SERVICES THAT A BIG ASSISTED LIVING WOULD REQUIRE ME FOR, AND I DON'T QUALIFY TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME.
SO THERE'S A, A PARTICULAR NEED FOR PEOPLE WHO FALL INTO THAT, UH, PARTICULAR CATEGORY OR WHERE THEY CAN'T, EVEN IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT, THEY, THEY REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF ASSISTANCE THAT A BIGGER ASSISTED LIVING COULD NOT PROVIDE FOR THEM.
SO THEY DON'T, THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE A FALL RISK OR THEY MAY, UM, NEED INSULIN OR THEY, IT IS JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULDN'T QUALIFY THEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PARTICULAR NEED COMES IN AT.
UM, AS FAR AS THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE, THERE'S TWO OTHER HOMES, GROUP HOMES WITHIN THE AREA.
HOW DID YOU DECIDE THERE WAS A NEED? SO THOSE PARTICULAR TWO HOMES ARE IDD HOMES.
SO THEY SERVICE, UH, MENTAL DISABILITIES VERSUS, UH, SENIORS ARE NEEDING MORE CARE AS FAR AS PERSONAL CARE, UH, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT I NEEDED.
SO THERE, THOSE TWO ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROUP HOMES FROM THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT I WOULD PROVIDE CARE FOR.
IN TERMS OF, I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THIS, THERE IS SOME COMMON AREAS THAT MEAN WHERE THEY CAN YES.
SO A LOT OF THEM, THEY, THERE'S A LIVING ROOM AREA WHERE THEY, UH, COME INTO AND THEY CAN WATCH TV IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, THEY EAT AT THE DINING ROOM TABLE TOGETHER SO THEY CAN, UH, CONVERSE TOGETHER.
THEY GO INTO EACH OTHER'S ROOM AND TALK TO EACH OTHER.
UM, THEY SIT OUTSIDE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TALK WITH EACH OTHER ALSO.
UM, SO THEY HAVE COMMON AREAS THAT THEY CAN, UH, MEET AND SOCIALIZE WITH EACH OTHER.
I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CAN PUT SIX PEOPLE TURNING A LIVING ROOM INTO BEDROOMS AND AT THAT POINT, NO, NO, NO, NOT THE LIVING ROOM.
SO MOST HOMES IN GRAND PERRY HAVE A LIVING AREA, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FORMAL DINING, FORMAL LIVING ROOM.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CONVERTED? YEAH.
SO THAT PARTICULAR HOME HAS A FORMAL DINING, IT HAS A FORMAL LIVING, AND THEN IT HAS A, UM, A, A DINING AREA AND A LIVING ROOM AREA.
SO BASICALLY THERE ARE TWO LIVING, TWO DINING ROOM AREAS IN THAT PARTICULAR HOME.
ALONG WITH THE OTHER BEDROOMS. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS AROUND THAT THE, YOU KNOW, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR THERE IN THE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, THAT'S ALWAYS TAKEN.
SO YOU, THE MOWING AND EVERYTHING ELSE? CORRECT.
CLEAN UP AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, TRASH SERVICES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE TRASH IS DISPOSED PROPERLY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
COMMISSIONER, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU STARTED IN 2019.
AND THAT YOUR, THE RESIDENTS ARE BETWEEN THE AGES OF SEVEN, TWO, AND 96.
WHAT IS YOUR TURNOVER AS, DO YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WAS WITH YOU IN 2019? OR IS THERE UM, SO SOME OF THEM HAVE PASSED AWAY? UH, I HAVE ONE RESIDENCE THAT'S BEEN THERE.
UH, HE'S BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
SOME OF, UM, THEM HAVE BEEN THERE, UM, THREE YEARS.
UM, AND THEN SOME, THE MOST RECENT, UM, SHE ACTUALLY LEFT, CAME BACK.
SO SHE JUST MOVED BACK IN THIS MONTH.
SO, AND THEN I HAVE A LOT OF, UH, REFERRALS FROM MY RESIDENTS WHERE THEIR LOVED ONE MAY HAVE PASSED AWAY AND THEN THEY REFER SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, SO THE TURNOVER USUALLY IN ASSISTED LIVING IS TWO TO THREE YEARS.
UM, BECAUSE YOU DO TAKE CARE OF SENIORS.
SO, AND MOST OF THE TIME, BY THE TIME THEY MAKE IT TO YOU, IT'S MORE SO GOING TOWARD END OF LIFE.
UM, YOU HAVE SOME THAT DO LIVE FOR A LONG TIME.
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VARIES WITH THE RESIDENTS.VERY GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
UH, YOU SAID YOU HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY.
WHERE IS THE OTHER PROPERTY LOCATED? UM, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, TRADERS VILLAGE, IT'S IN BETWEEN TRADER VILLAGE AND GRAND PRAIRIE OUTLET.
SO IN THE FORUM NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OFF OF, UH, GREATER SOUTHWEST AND MAYFIELD.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER OUR PROPERTY.
MS. FORM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
SO YOU'RE A REGISTERED NURSE? YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE ONE FACILITY ALREADY? YES, SIR.
BUT YOUR INTENTION IS TO NOT WORK AT EITHER OF THESE FACILITIES AT ANY POINT? CORRECT.
SO I, I TRY TO NOT PUT MYSELF ON SERVICES, BE, UH, JUST IN CASE THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.
SO I CAN GO IN BETWEEN, UH, TO BE PRESENT FOR THEM IN CASE THEY HAVE QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF I'M STAFFED THERE, I CAN'T, UM, I WON'T HAVE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY, ARE YOU ANYWHERE ELSE? NO.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN RN JOB, W2 OR NO SIR, JOB ANYWHERE ELSE? NOT SINCE 2020, NO, SIR.
YOU PUT, YOU GET TOGETHER ALL THE CAPITAL.
'CAUSE I PUT IT IN A PRIOR EXPRESSION SYSTEM.
SO ARE YOU AN RN OR ARE YOU A BUSINESS LADY BECAUSE YOU'RE SOUNDING MORE LIKE A BUSINESS? I MEAN, I'M, I'M IMPRESSED.
I'M, I'M, I'M A RN BECAUSE MY RESIDENCE, THEY CALL ME SAY, HEY, I DID THIS, I NEED THIS, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? SO I, I PUT MY NURSING HAT MORE ON THAN I DO MY BUSINESS HAT, BUT I HAVE TO WEAR BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD WAS ASK IS THAT LIKE COMMISSIONER ZA SAID, BEING GOOD NEIGHBOR BECAUSE IT'S, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE BRINGING A GROUP HOME THERE? UM, SO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT CLOSE TO ME, I SEE THAT.
I'VE BEEN SEEING THEM QUITE OFTEN.
SOME OF 'EM HAVE QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, I HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND THE WHOLE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD NO MA'AM.
BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A GOOD THING FOR THEM TO KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS STILL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE OTHER FOLKS THERE IS IN A RESIDENCE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, TRASH AND DEBRIS IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, FOR GARBAGE DAY AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, OLD MATTRESSES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IS A DISTRACTION.
IT IS NOT FAIR TO GET A RESIDENTS TO HAVE, HAVE ALL THAT.
SO JUST BE COGNIZANT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, BEING CAREFUL TO BE A GOOD NAME.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, TRASH SERVICES GO, IT DOESN'T, UM, GENERATE PARTICULARLY MUCH MORE TRASH BECAUSE YOU DON'T, UM, I MEAN, YOU JUST HAVE YOUR MEALS THAT YOU BASICALLY, UM, JUST DISCARDING OF.
UM, THAT'S THE MOST, THAT'S THE BULK OF THE TRASH.
IT'S GONNA BE FOOD PART OF IT BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE TO SERVE THREE MEALS A DAY AND YOU GIVE SNACKS IN BETWEEN THOSE MEALS.
SO THAT'S THE BULK OF YOUR TRASH THAT YOU, UH, PRETTY MUCH HAVE.
SO YOU TYPICALLY CAN, DON'T HAVE A BIG, UM, LARGE AREA OF TRASH THAT YOU NEED TO THROW OUT, UM, ON TRASH DAY TRASH, LIKE IT OCCUR TWICE A WEEK? YES, MA'AM.
SO THAT'S, IT ENDS UP BEING A LOT.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST ME AND MY HUSBAND AND WE HAVE A LOT
SO TYPICALLY WE, WE AVERAGE IN THOSE TWO DAYS, WE AVERAGE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN BAGS OF TRASH.
THAT'S A LOT OF TRASH THAT PUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE QUESTION.
AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, UH, YOU HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY ON POINT ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS, SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
LAST THING THAT I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT IS, OVERALL FOR YOUR BUSINESS, IS THERE A GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO COVER THE BUSINESS? SO THERE'S NOT A, A REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES? I DO HAVE.
AND WHAT IS THAT AMOUNT? SO YOU, UH, THAT ONE IS, UH, I THINK IT'S 1.2 MILLION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE BECAUSE THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WITH US? WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE CARDS.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS WILLIAM S VAN RIPER.
UM, HE WISHES TO NOTE HIS OPPOSITION.
HE NOTED THAT HE WANTED TO SPEAK AND HE DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
MY NAME, WILLIAM, GET UNDER THE MIC.
I CAN PROJECT MY VOICE THOUGH, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, THE MICROPHONE IS HELPFUL.
MY NAME IS WILLIAM S VAN RIPER.
I RESIDE AT 2 7 5 9 SMORE DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED PROPERTY FOR THE GROUP HOUSING USE.
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WITH MY WIFE AND MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, HILDA WALKER, WHO LIVES TWO HOUSES AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED GROUP HOUSING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, WE HAVE EXPRESSED, WE WERE PROB WE WERE THE ONES WHO RESPONDED, UM, VIA THE LINK THAT WE OPPOSE THIS GROUP HOUSING.
NOW, THERE WERE THREE RESPONSES TO THE, THROUGH THE LINK.
HILDA'S HUSBAND KENNY, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, WAS ALSO ONE WHO, WHO EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION.
MY WIFE DID NOT REPLY TO THE LINK, BUT SHE'S HERE AND FIRMLY OPPOSES THE GROUP HOUSING.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT OUT A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT I PERSONALLY AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, IN, IN YOUR QUESTIONING.
SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND YOUR CONCERN IN DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN, UM, THIS HOME AT, IN KINGSWOOD FOREST SINCE MARCH OF 2021 OR 2001.
SO I WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS.
IT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY MAJOR OPPOSITION IS THAT THIS IS MORE OF A BUSINESS THAT IS INTENDED FOR THIS HOME.
WE ARE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
RIGHT? SO WHEN I HEAR THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MANAGER ON DUTY AND VISITORS AND STAFF AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BUSINESS.
WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS UP HERE BEFORE ME STATED HER, UH, RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS, IT WAS NOT THE HOME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT.
GROUP HOUSING HAS A LOT OF POSITIVE BENEFITS TO IT.
IT HAS A VALUE, BUT IT ALSO HAS A TIME AND A PLACE WHERE THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS SHOULD BE RUN.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE TYPE OF AREA THAT A BUSINESS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE RUN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PERMITTED TO, TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT ONE QUESTION I WASN'T QUITE CERTAIN OF AS I'M LISTENING, UH, TO THE PRESENTATION BEFORE ME, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH TOO MUCH TRASH IN THE FRONT AND, AND OTHER THINGS.
AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE, WE'RE FILLED WITH A LOT OF KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PLAY, ESPECIALLY ON THE STREETS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND BASKETBALLS GO OUT INTO THE ROAD OFTENTIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, BUT, UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS FACILITY, IS THIS HOME ALREADY BEING USED TO SOME EXTENT AS A GROUP HOME CURRENTLY? YES.
SO THAT CAUSES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BRIEFING IS, IS, IS THIS, SHOULD THIS BE PERMITTED? WELL, IF WE'RE CIRCUMVENTING AND USING IT AS THAT PURPOSE NOW, IT JUST SETS A BAD PRECEDENT.
SO OUR, UM, SORRY, DEPUTY AND THE DIRECTOR SAVANNAH, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? I THINK, UM, OTHER SPEAKERS MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO WE CAN, UM, ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS AFTER WE GIVE EVERYBODY, WE'LL LET HER ANSWER.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE.
WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD TALK A LOT ABOUT SPECULATIONS OF, OF THINGS.
FACT IS WE'RE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT'S TRYING TO BE ESTABLISHED.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S TIME OR PLACE.
MY WIFE IS AGAINST IT, MY NEIGHBOR'S AGAINST IT.
I THINK IF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS WE'RE MORE AWARE, WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE OPPOSITION.
BUT THANK YOU FOR, UM, PROVIDING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED AND SHOWING A SINCERE INTEREST IN MAKING SURE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD OF THE, THE HOUSE I LIVE IN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN.
AND IN PART THAT'S BECAUSE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE ENFORCE THE, THE REGULATIONS AND THINGS.
AND I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT CARD IS LISA, JODY VAN REER WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
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THANK YOU MA'AM.FOR COMMENT, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 2 7 5 9 S MOORE DRIVE.
WE'VE BEEN THERE, AS MY HUSBAND SAID, SINCE MARCH OF 2001.
WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST DOZEN RESIDENCES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE IT WAS STILL BEING BUILT.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SMALL WITH ONE WAY IN.
NOW THEY BUILT TWO WHEN THEY ADDED THE SUBDIVISION BEHIND IT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOT MULTIPLE CARS ON STREET PARKING.
THE DRIVEWAY WILL NOT HOLD FOUR CARS.
SO YOU MIGHT, IF IT'S NOT FULL OF STUFF, WILL HOLD TWO VEHICLES.
THE DRIVEWAY WILL ONLY HOLD TWO VEHICLES.
I'VE LIVED DOWN IT FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS.
MY MAIN CONCERN, BESIDES WHEN MY HUSBAND MENTIONED THAT HE DID NOT MENTION IS I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES OF EVERY OTHER HOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE LIVED THERE ALL THIS TIME BUILDING UP EQUITY IN OUR HOME SO THAT WHEN WE RETIRE WE CAN SELL THAT HOME AND HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A LITTLE NEST EGG TO ADD TO OUR OTHER.
YOU PUT IN A GROUP HOME, OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA TANK.
AND YOU MAY BE DOING A SERVICE TO ONE HOUSE, BUT LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER HOMES YOU'RE GONNA DO A DISSERVICE TO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY CAUSING THE PROPERTY VALUES TO COME DOWN.
I KNOW, I, THAT WAS A QUESTION I SUSPECTED THAT WAS ALREADY BEING OPERATED AS A GROUP HOME BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CLUTTER.
I WON'T SAY IT'S TRASH, IT MIGHT BE CLUTTER THAT'S ON THE STREET SIDE.
PLUS THE NUMBER OF, UM, FIRST RESPONDER ALARMS THAT COME AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T COME QUIETLY AND WE'RE ON THE CORNER.
SO EVERY ONE OF THOSE COMES RIGHT BY
AND THE NOISE AND THE REFLECTION IS IN OUR WINDOWS.
AND YES, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DO HAVE EMERGENCIES AND SOMETHING COMES UP AND YOU HAVE AN ELDER PERSON OR SOMEONE IS SICK.
BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT NUMBER IN THAT HOME WITH MEDICAL ISSUES, THAT NUMBER'S GONNA ESCALATE.
AND SO IT'S OUR, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF YOUNG CHILDREN, YOUNG CHILDREN OUT PLAYING YOUNG FAMILIES OUT WALKING.
UM, AND WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAPACITY FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, VISITOR PARKING, UM, NURSES COMING AND PARKING DOCTORS, YOU KNOW, HOME HEALTHCARE, PHYSICAL THERAPY, WHATEVER.
WE JUST CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT ON THAT.
THEY CAN'T ADD ANY MORE PARKING.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER CARD? YES.
HILDA WALKER DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WISHES TO RECORD HER OPPOSITION.
UM, RANDY CAPOTE WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 2 7 5 5 X CALIBER DRIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M OPPOSED TO IT OR NOT.
LET ME SAY, I CAME HERE TO GRAND PRAIRIE 25 YEARS AGO.
I'M PASTOR AT SOUTH PARK BAPTIST CHURCH.
I HAVE NOTHING BUT COMPASSION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A NEED.
I'VE ALSO LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 25 YEARS AND IT'S BEEN A SAFE AND A STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GUESS I, I REALLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND ONE IS H HOW'S IT GONNA BE FUNDED AND WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTAINED PROPERLY? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS IN DISREPAIR TO ME.
IT LOOKS IN, UH, PRETTY SAD CONDITION.
SO WHO, HOW'S IT FUNDED AND DO YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND RAISE FUNDS? HOW DO YOU NO, I, I FUND IT.
UM, AND, AND I THINK, UM, SO BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IF YOU WANNA STATE YOUR QUESTION, GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLICATION.
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ALRIGHT.THE OTHER THING IS, UM, THE NATURE OF THE CLIENTELE, IS IT MOSTLY AGE NEEDS? IS IT PHYSICAL, MENTAL, NO DRUG REHABILITATION, I HOPE AND INCLUDED IN THAT OR ANYTHING.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CLIENTELE THAT YOU WOULD SERVE.
AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS, DOES THIS ONE CHANGE OPEN THE DOOR FOR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS LIKE AIR AIRBNBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOW MOVED AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTIONS.
UH, SAVANNAH, WHO IS OUR, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, IT IS THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.
WE NEED YOUR EXPERTISE ON THIS AND MOST CONCERNS.
SO I THINK ONE, ONE QUESTION WAS ABOUT IT ALREADY BEING OPERATED.
AS ERIN MENTIONED IN HER PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE IN 2023 SPEAK COUNCIL ADOPTED A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY GROUP LIVING RESIDENTIAL REGISTER WITH THE CITY.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
SO WE NECESSARILY DID NOT KNOW HOW MANY, UH, LOCATIONS WE'RE OPERATING.
SO AS INDIVIDUALS COME IN AND REGISTER THESE HOMES, WE DO LOOK AT, UM, SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, IF THERE ARE OTHER LEGALLY OPERATING LOCATIONS WITHIN 2,500 FEET, UH, THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER A AN SUP REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF IT OPENING THE DOOR TO OTHER THINGS.
UH, WE HAD A SLIDE ON THE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT SHOWED THAT THIS IS A, A PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THE ONLY TRIGGER FOR REQUIRING IT TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR AN SUP APPROVAL IS THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO, UM, IT IS AN ALLOWED USE, UH, UNLESS IT, IT HAS THAT 2,500 FEET.
IN THAT CASE, IT GOES THROUGH THE SUP APPROVAL PROCESS TO, TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, NON NONS SINGLE FAMILY, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THIS SUP IS GRANTED.
UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS SHORT TERM RENTAL, THAT IS A, AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, UH, LAND USING CONVERSATION.
SO SAVANNAH, IF I MAY JUST ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, IF THEY HAD NOT TRIGGERED THAT 2,500 FOOT HALO YES.
SHE WOULDN'T EVEN NEED A SPECIALTY USE PERMIT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SHE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO DIRECTLY TOWARDS GETTING THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND COMPLETING HER REGISTRATION ONLINE.
THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH REGARD TO THE, THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY IN USE AS SUCH AND CHANGING THE DYNAMICS OF THE PROPERTY AND CHANGING THE ROAD, WOULD THAT BE BUILDING PERMIT PERMITTING? I MEAN, BE REMODELING OR SOMETHING? WOULD THAT BE CAUSE SOME KIND OF CODE COMPLIANCE THERE? SO I, I DON'T HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT HISTORY PULLED UP FOR THIS LOCATION, BUT ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT REQUIRE PERMIT, SHE WILL HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR HER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, BE THAT, WOULDN'T THAT BE A RED FLAG IF SOMEONE HAS ALREADY CHANGED THE DYNAMICS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TO MAKE IT FIVE, SIX BEDROOMS, WHATEVER I'M SAYING, I'M, I'M ASKING THAT RED FLAG OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, A REGISTERED GROUP HOME OR A SINGLE FAMILY OCCUPYING A PROPERTY THEY OWN PEOPLE DO THINGS WITHOUT A PERMIT.
I CAN'T VERIFY THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THIS LOCATION.
BUT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD LOOK IN INTO.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS THAT, THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.
COMMERS, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JACK, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT REDUNDANT HERE, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE SOMEBODY ASKED, DOES SHE HAVE TO GO GET APPROVAL FROM THE STATE OR GO THROUGH ANY SPECIAL CERTIFICATIONS? AND SHE SAID IF THIS PASSES, SHE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET APPROVAL.
DOES SHE ALREADY HAVE IT OR WOULD WE UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE PROCESS WITH THE STATE IS YOU'VE GOTTA GET APPROVAL FROM A CITY TO, TO GO INTO THAT LOCATION.
THEN YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER CERTIFICATION PROCESS THE STATE HAS.
AND SO PART OF THAT IS GETTING THE SUP APPROVED BY, BY CITY COUNCIL.
PART OF IT IS IF THERE'S, UH, A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED AND HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED, PULLING PERMITS TO DO THAT WORK.
IF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS REQUIRED, IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO THERE I, AGAIN, THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE MET FOR HER TO GET HER CERTIFICATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THAT AND EXACTLY WHAT ORDER THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
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BE A BETTER QUESTION TO DIRECT TOWARDS HER.AND THEN I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL MADE SOME CHANGES FROM 2023 FORWARD, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW LONG SHE HAS ALREADY BEEN OPERATING? RIGHT.
BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THAT IS RELEVANT TO LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE SHE STARTED IN 24, RIGHT.
AND THAT WAS AFTER THE FACT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, UNDER THOSE PARTICULAR GUIDELINES AT THAT POINT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OR NOT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GROUP HOMES ARE ALREADY OPERATING IN THE CITY OF BRANFORD? I I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION PULLED UP AT THIS POINT.
AND THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, HAVE THE VALUE OF THE PEOPLE HOMES IN THOSE AREAS, HAVE THEY GONE DOWN? THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS THE INFORMATION.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
THIS IS A VERY, UH, CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT.
CAN MS. MOORE NOT COME BACK UP WITH THE PODIUM? YES, MA'AM.
COULD YOU COME ON UP TO BACK THE PODIUM PLEASE? THANK YOU.
YES, YOU GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
SO THIS IS A CURRENTLY OPERATING HOUSE FOR SENIORS? YES.
SO IT IS THREE, IT'S ONLY THREE THERE NOW.
SO TO GO ABOVE THREE, YOU NEED TO START THE GROUP HOME PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO BELOW THREE YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS ABOVE THREE.
SO THEN WHEN DID THE PERHAPS THREE REQUIREMENT TO COME INTO THE CITY? I BELIEVE IT WAS 2023.
AND WAS THERE, SO THERE WAS NO OBLIGATION FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY PRE-EXISTENT TO IT? IT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD.
IF YOU'RE OPERATING, YOU NEED TO REGISTER.
SO IT WAS A NEW REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT.
HAD YOU REGISTERED THIS HOUSE BEFORE? NO, I HAVE NOT.
SO, AND BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THREE PEOPLE MM-HMM
THERE WAS NO FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM REQUIREMENT? NO, SIR.
AND THE NEED, NOT THE NEED TO DO ALL THE EXPANSION INTO SIX BEDROOMS. NO.
SO NOW TO GO ABOVE THREE, YOU NEED TO, UH, REGISTER WITH THE CITY AND OBTAIN ALL THE PERMITS.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET THE, SO IN ORDER TO EVEN APPLY TO THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A TEMPORARY, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
'CAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE REQUIRED.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN APPLY WITH THE STATE FOR THEM TO START THEIR PART.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET YOUR, ONCE YOU GO THROUGH AND THEY DO THEIR INSPECTION, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF THREE PEOPLE, UM, THERE FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND DO A HEALTH INSPECTION.
AND THEN YOU CAN GET YOUR, ONCE YOU PASS THE HEALTH INSPECTION, YOU CAN GET YOUR LICENSE, THEN YOU TURN IT INTO THE CITY TO GET A FULL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE KIND OF AT A THREE RESIDENT SITUATION, MAX.
YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THREE WITHOUT PERMITTING.
WHAT KIND OF STAFFING DOES THAT HAVE RIGHT NOW? ONE TO ONE, ONE STAFF FOR EACH SHIFT.
ONE PERSON THERE FOR EACH SHIFT.
SO I MEAN, IT BEEN SINCE 2020, I MEAN, NOTHING AS FAR AS, UH, WITH CHANGE.
SO AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, WE WERE GONNA START DOING LANDSCAPING.
'CAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A DA COMPLIANT RAMP TO GET UP TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A SLIGHT SLOPE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE LANDSCAPING, WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT IT LOOKED, BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING READY TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS 2,500 FEET.
'CAUSE BACK WHEN I APPLIED FOR THE LAST ONE, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT HAD TO BE.
UM, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS HOW CLOSE IN PROXIMITY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, THAT'S YOU.
SO IT IS TAKING MORE TIME TO, TO GET EVERYTHING DONE BECAUSE I CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL I GET YOU GUYS' APPROVAL.
AND YOU, YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID, UH, THIS IS A BUSINESS, ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY YOU, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE IN THIS FOR A PROFIT OR OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING IT.
AND THESE ELDERLY CITIZENS WOULDN'T BE GETTING CARE.
BUT TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC FINANCING, TH THIS IS ALL YOU.
AND THEN, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2020.
I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING DIFFERENT IN THEIR PROPERTY VALUES, THEN NOTHING WILL CHANGE
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BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S CHANGING THE ACTUAL OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND YOU STATED EARLIER, UM, THAT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE STAND THERE THAT YOU LOOKING TO HAVE BAIL OUT THAT THESE ARE NOT CRIMINALS AND MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THEY GO THROUGH A SEXUAL, UM, MISCONDUCT.
THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE? CORRECT.
THE SEX OFFENDER THAT THE SEX OFFENDER.
SO THEY, THEY, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO CHECK THEIR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, BUT SEX, UH, SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY, UM, IT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE THAT WE HAVE TO CHECK THAT BEFORE THEY MOVE IN.
AND SINCE YOU'VE BEEN OPERATING AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, HAVE GRAND FOR POLICE BEEN CALLED OUT FOR ANY TYPE OF VIOLENCE, UH, FIGHTS OR ANYTHING WITH THE THREE PEOPLE YOU GOT SEEN THERE? CURRENTLY? NOT CURRENTLY.
I ONLY HAD ONE GENTLEMAN THAT HE PARTICULARLY MOVED IN, UH, AGAINST.
THEY, HIS FAMILY MOVED HIM IN, IN AGAINST HIS WISHES.
SO HE WA WE DID CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE HE WAS THREATENING TO HARM HIMSELF AND WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THOSE PARTICULAR TYPE OF RESIDENTS.
SO I DON'T DO ANY TYPE OF, UH, MENTAL ILLNESS, UM, AS FAR AS IF THEY ARE PSYCHOTIC AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS COMES IN.
PRIOR TO, UM, ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY, AND ACCORDING TO HIM, HE WAS IN AGREEANCE, BUT THEN ONCE HE GOT THERE, HIS WHOLE DEMEANOR CHANGED.
SO, UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY UNFORTUNATE EVENT THAT I HAD WHERE THE POLICE WERE CALLED OUT FOR HIM.
MS. MOORE, IS THIS A HOA, UH, UH, COMMUNITY? NO, MA'AM.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? UM, IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY? I'M RENTING IT.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION FOR MR. CHAPMAN.
UM, I JUST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A GROUP HOME, TWO DOORS DOWN FROM MY OWN PERSONAL HOME, SO I UNDERSTAND FROM THE RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT I ALSO, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULD KNOW IT WAS A GROUP HOME TWO DOORS DOWN FROM ME.
UM, UNLESS I, I ACTUALLY WATCHED THE TRAFFIC AND THE FLOW OF IT.
BUT I, I WANT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK TO THE LEGAL CAPACITY OF HOW GROUP HOMES EXIST IN OUR CITY.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL I GOT HERE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST.
SO I THINK THAT'S A, A PARAMOUNT, UH, PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR THE RESIDENTS, UH, TO KNOW THAT SHE IS THERE.
BUT WE HAVE WORKED, UH, TO MAKE IT A COMPLIANT ISSUE WHERE ONLY SO MANY CAN EXIST WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF YOUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE LICENSED BY THE STATE, THEY'RE INSPECTED BY THE STATE.
THE STATUTES GIVE THE CITY THE ABILITY TO ASK THEM TO REGISTER AND TO KEEP UP WITH REGISTRATION.
AND THAT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF, SO THAT WE KNOW WHO IS OWNING THE GROUP HOME, WHO, UM, WHO'S MAINTAINING THE HOME IF THERE ARE ISSUES.
UM, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROUP HOMES.
UH, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS TYPE B ASSISTED LIVING.
THERE'S TYPE A, UM, AS SHE MENTIONED, THERE ARE MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES, UM, DEPENDING ON LICENSURE.
IF THEY'RE LICENSED, THEY'RE PERMITTED IN THESE SEGAL FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THE CITY HAS THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, KEEP UP WITH WHO IS RUNNING THE HOMES AND KEEP UP WITH, UM, IF THERE ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, UM, WE KNOW WHO TO ADDRESS THAT.
THAT'S A WRAP MY QUESTION, JULIE, JUST ONE QUESTION SINCE SHE'S RENTING, LET ME, OKAY.
I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK AND HOW PERSON RENTING AND HE GETS CERTIFIED FOR A
UH, WITH OUR REGISTRATION, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS.
THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT, KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO, IT'S A MATTER BETWEEN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HER AS A LESSEE.
SO WITH THAT, WITH WHAT WE JUST SAID, IF I RENTED A PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEWHERE, I COULD GO SIGN UP AND REQUEST ZONING CHANGES OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF CHANGE IN LIKE THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE USE SUP, WELL, IF I RENTED A PLACE, I COULD REQUEST IT SUP TO OPERATE AS WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
I HAD TO GET HIS PERMISSION AND I HAD TO SIGN A, UM, WE HAD TO GET A, A NOTICE AUTHOR, UM, A AGENT AUTHORIZATION, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? LIKE A,
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A NOTARY PUBLIC FOR IT? YEAH.HE HAS TO GO ON THERE AND APPROVE IT AT, AT THE BEGINNING AND EVERYTHING.
THAT WAS MY CONCERN, RIGHT? THE OWNERS OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR WRITTEN CONSENT, UM, AND DOCUMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. I'M SO SORRY.
THIS IS, WE HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS.
THIS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THIS IS WHY THIS IS, SIR, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP, SIR.
I DIDN'T HAVE MY QUESTION ANSWERED.
YEAH, WHAT WAS YOUR QUE I APOLOGIZE.
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, SIR? MY CONCERN, AND IT IS THE SLIPPERY SLOPE.
AND THIS IS TO YOU, MAYBE THIS IS KIND AND GOOD, BUT ONCE WE GET ON THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE AND WE DEVIATE FROM A ONE FAMILY DWELLING, UM, SCENARIO, IS IT GONNA LEAD TO OTHER THINGS?
SO I CAN ALSO ADDRESS THAT, THAT OUR, UM, OUR, UM, ORDINANCES REGARDING AIRBNBS IS TOTALLY SEPARATE.
UM, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE REGARDING GROUP LIVING HOMES AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES HAS THAT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE WITHIN 2,500 FEET OF EACH OTHER.
IF THERE'S AN EXISTING ONE AND YOU WANNA MOVE IN WITHIN THAT 2,500 FEET, YOU HAVE TO GET AN SUP.
UM, AS SHE STATED IN HER PREVIOUS ONE, SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS 'CAUSE THERE WASN'T ONE IN THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
BUT NOW, BECAUSE THERE IS ONE WITHIN THAT 2,500 FEET THAT REQUIRES AN SUP THAT REQUIRES YOU TO COME TO THE CITY, APPLY FOR THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO OPERATE THAT WAY.
FOR WHAT CONDITIONS? IT, IT, IT IS WHAT THIS APPLICATION'S FOR.
IT'S A PERMISSION TO HAVE THE SPECIFIC USE OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, WITH CONDITIONS SHOULD THE HAVE, SHOULD THE COUNSEL AND SHOULD THE COMMISSION WISH.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST AN EXTRA STEP OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AN EXTRA STEP OF APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.
WELL, I SAID AIRBNBS 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE OVER IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN ARLINGTON RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO, BUT, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS BESIDES THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR THIS.
SUP IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY ONLY AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE, UH, THE PERMITTED USES ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN WHAT IS A PERMITTED BY THE UDC.
I GUESS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SINCE THAT, THAT, THAT, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN HE DOESN'T WANNA OPEN THE DOOR TO HAVE MANY MORE, BUT HE CAN'T HAVE ANY, THIS IS THE GROUP HOME.
IT CAN'T BE ANY WITHIN 2,500 FEET.
SO IF THERE WAS ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WANTED TO GO IN WITHIN 200, 2,500 FEET OF THIS, IF, IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS.
WHICH INVOLVES THE FORMAL APPLICATION, THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO WHO'D BE NOTIFIED IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO COME FORWARD WITH, WITH SOMETHING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE 2,500 PEOPLE
RIGHT? WHAT IF THE NEXT PERSON WANTS TO OPERATE A BUSINESS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S NOT A GROUP HOME, BUT IT'S STILL A BUSINESS, RIGHT? WELL, THEY GOT THE EXCEPTION.
THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS HERE AT THE GROUP HOME.
WHY CAN'T I RUN MY BUSINESS HERE? YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THERE THEIR POTENTIAL OF A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO PEOPLE.
CAN YOU PLEASE? SO AS JULIE MENTIONED, APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DOES NOT CHANGE THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO WE HAVE OUR LAND USE CHARTS.
A SNIPPET IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THESE ARE THE AUTHORIZED LAND USES AND A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO APPROVAL OF THIS SUP DOES NOT ALTER THAT.
SO AT, AT THIS POINT, SIR, ANY ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH ANYTHING? THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY AND GET PERMISSIONS.
THEY JUST CAN'T JUST COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
THERE'S, THERE'S CODING ENFORCEMENT, THEY, AND GOING THROUGH PLENTY.
THERE HAS TO BE PROCESSES IN PLACE.
I DON'T THINK IT BE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE BE BYPASS THAT.
HOPEFULLY NOT THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO ALL OF THAT SAVANNAH WITHOUT ANY PERMISSIONS.
AT THIS POINT I THINK WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS TO THE END, UH, THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR.
MY DISTRICT, THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THIS DAY AND TIME TIMES ARE HARD.
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE, I DO KNOW PEOPLE THAT, UH, DON'T QUALIFY FOR SUPPORT, UH, GOVERNMENT SUPPORT.
BUT THEY, THEY, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY NEED THE NEED, THE HELP AND THEY CAN'T GET ANYWHERE.
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GROUP HOMES.MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, UH, TO RESPECT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST THING.
I, I, YOU KNOW, WOULD PREFER NOT HAVING A GROUP HOME IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT IF IT HAS TO BE THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STRICTLY FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES AND GUIDELINES AND BEING, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE AND NOT TO BE INCONVENIENCE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE IT'S STILL A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND UNLIKE YOU, I'VE BEEN IN MY HOUSE FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND I, I'M AT MY HOUSE WHEN I GOT MY HOUSE BUILT AND THE TWO HOUSES ON MY STREET.
YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BUY A HOME AND YOU WANT, YOU PLAN ON STAYING THERE, YOU WANT IT TO STILL BE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU BOUGHT INTO, THEN I KNOW TIMES CHANGE AND IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE LEGISLATION, ALL THESE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE AS PLANNING AND ZONING LEGISLATIVELY, ACCORDING TO SAVANNAH AND JULIA, THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS.
SO I WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO GET ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? 'CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHICH WAY TO GO WITH THIS.
UM, MY DISCUSSION THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT HER NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, OF THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE COMPLAINING.
AND SHE MENTIONED THAT SHE'S BEEN OPERATING SINCE I THINK WHAT, 2020? 2020.
THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF, UM, CONCERN.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE HOUSES WOULD BE HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS? IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I HAD THE SAME, UH, WITH ANGELA AND TY BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS THAT, UM, SAME THING.
SHE'S ALREADY BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2020.
I MEAN, GRANTED, SHE'S EXPANDING AND IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS, SHE COULD TECHNICALLY STILL CONTINUE TO FUNCTION.
SO IT'S STILL A GROUP HOME AND THERE'S TWO OTHERS IN THE AREA AS WELL THAT NO ONE PROBABLY EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT EXCEPT FOR THE CITY.
SO, AND, AND I, AND I GET IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE ABUNDANCE OF TRASH IS BECAUSE OF THE CLEANUP THAT SHE'S TRYING EVERYTHING SHE'S TRYING TO PREPARE FOR.
BUT, AND, AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE I ALSO HAD A RELATIVE THAT WAS IN A GROUP HOME LIKE THIS, BUT IN SUGAR SUGARLAND.
AND IT WAS VERY WELL MAINTAINED.
THE LIVING AREA WAS VERY OPEN.
THEY HAD A SIGN IN SHEET FOR YOU TO COME.
YOU CAN ASK THE STAFF THERE ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS AND SHE'D ANSWER YOU, SHE'D TELL YOU WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO KNOW.
AND IT WAS A NICE WELL KEPT FACILITY AND HE WAS THERE UNTIL HE PASSED.
AND SO IT, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED.
I MEAN, SHE JUST, LIKE SHE SAID, SHE'S THAT IN BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T QUALIFY INTO A NURSING HOME HOME AND THOSE WHO JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE BY THEMSELVES.
I WILL SAY ADAM CHAIR, UM, I FEEL THE SAME AS MY COLLEAGUES.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO RECKON WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO LIKE, BUT IF THE LAW PERMITS THEM, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE LAW.
I THINK THE FACT THAT WE, 62 NOTICES, AM I CORRECT? WERE SENT OUT AND WE GOT REPRESENTATION FROM THREE FAMILIES.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF VERY TELLING WITHIN ITSELF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, I THANK MS. MOORE FOR BEING KIND ENOUGH TO STAND AT THE PODIUM, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT THREE TIMES AND, AND JUST TAKE OUR FIRING SQUAD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S HER BUSINESS OR NOT, I THINK THE, THE IMPORTANT PIECE IS THAT IT EXISTS FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO GO.
AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE IS, I WOULD ADMONISH HER TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TOO, YOU KNOW, AND EXIST THERE WITH A MANICURED YARD WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONSENSUS.
IF YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD A RAMP, MAKE SURE IT'S NICE.
AND I, THE PART THAT THAT PAUSES ME IS YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK YOU SHOULD MANDATE THAT FROM YOUR LANDLORD DIRECTLY, THAT IT BE UP TO PAR.
AND, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND THE NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS THERE SHOULD HAVE OFFLINE WITHOUT US THERE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR YOU GUYS TO COEXIST.
BUT IT'S GOT TO START WITH SOME, SOME DIALOGUE AND SOME CONCESSIONS.
COMMISSIONER CHUBB AND I, THOSE, UH, THOSE WORDS SPEAKS VOLUMES.
I HAVE ONE MORE, UM, QUESTION.
UM, IN RELATIONS TO DO THE CITY OF GRAND
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PRAIRIE LIKE TRACK, UM, THE ACTUALLY OWNERS THAT LIKE INVESTMENT COMPANIES THAT COME INTO GRAND PRAIRIE THAT MAY BUY HOUSES AND THEN TURN AROUND OUR PEOPLE TO RENT 'EM FOR GROUP HOMES? NO.WE HAVE AN HOA AND OUR H OA PATH.
THAT'S THE WAY WE KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN H HOA.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN H HOA, NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO TRACK THEM.
AM I RIGHT SMITH? WHEN YOU SAY TRACK, WE DO HAVE A REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT.
SO PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED, UH, TO BE GIVEN, UM, BY A GROUP HOME THAT'S COMING, UM, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REGISTER.
SO THAT TAKES THE ACTION OF THE PERSON RUNNING THE HOME TO ACTUALLY COME AND REGISTER FIRST.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE OR, OR NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE COULD BE HOMES THAT ARE OPERATING THAT AREN'T REGISTERED, OF COURSE.
UM, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TRACKING, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REGISTER.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT IS ASKED IS THE OWNER'S NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS.
AND THAT IS, SO THOSE ISSUES, UM, IF THERE ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, WE KNOW WHO TO ADDRESS THOSE WITH.
UM, IF THE OWNER'S NOT A PERSON, IF IT'S A CORPORATION, WHO'S THAT CORPORATION WHO RUNS THAT CORPORATION? WHO'S THE OPERATOR? IF THAT'S NOT THE OWNER? UM, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED.
UM, THE NAME, ADDRESS, EMAIL, PHONE NUMBER OF THE PERSON WHO'S THERE 24 HOURS OR SOMEONE WE CAN CALL 24 HOURS A DAY.
UH, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO RESIDE AT THE LOCATION, THE TYPE OF SERVICES THAT ARE BEING OFFERED, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF, UM, THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT WE REQUIRE WHEN WE REGISTER.
SO WE ARE TRACKING THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED.
THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS YOU SAID IT'S ANNUALLY, I THINK YOU WOULD SAY WAS ANNUALLY THAT THEY GAVE THE CODE COMPLIANCE.
SO ONLY SOMEBODY CALLS WITH A CONCERN WOULD CODE COMPLIANCE COME OUT.
CORRECT? THEY, THEY RESPOND TO CITIZEN CALLS THAT THEY GET.
SO THAT, SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND THERE WAS A CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBOR SAID THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CALL CODE COMPLIANCE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S ONLY AN ANNUAL, UH, FOR THE ESTATE.
BUT THE RENTER DOESN'T PAY THAT THOUGH, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THE RENTER DOESN'T, THE RENTER'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OWNER.
I STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA THAT THE, UH, RENTERS HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WELL, NO, THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER GAVE ME THE RENT.
BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY OR WHAT.
THEY COULD BE AN INVESTOR FOR ALL WE KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO INVEST THAT LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, AND THEY'RE JUST BUYING UP PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, WHO'S TO SAY? SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE DILIGENT THAN OTHERS WILL.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS GROUP HOME WITH THE HOPES THAT, UH, MS. MOORE IS GONNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND SHE'S GONNA BE COMPLIANT AND SHE'S GOTTA GET TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORS.
AND IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF SHE'S NOT ADDRESSING THEM, THAT HE GO TO CODE COMPLIANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO WITH THIS BECAUSE LEGALLY IT'S ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, SO I, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS PER, I MEAN, MAKE THE MOTION WITH, UM, THE PRC RECOMMENDATIONS.
I, UM, LIKE TO MAKE A MO I MADE A MOTION CHERYL SMITH TO APPROVE THE GROUP HOME, WHICH IS, UM, ITEM EIGHT SUP 25 0 8 0 0 3 0 AS PER DARREN SEE RECOMMENDATION.
AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARI.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[9. SUP-25-08-0032 - Specific Use Permit - KCE Champions at ILTX Heritage (City Council District 6). Specific Use Permit for a Child Day Care use for a Before & Afterschool Child Care Program for Pre-Kindergarten (Pre-K) aged children on 25.597 acres. Lot 1, Block 1, IL Texas Heritage K-8 Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Ellis County, Texas, zoned PD-322A, and addressed as 10701 Heritage Pkwy]
ITEM NINE IS SUP 2 5 0 8 0 0 3 2.IT IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR KCE CHAMPIONS AT ILX TEXAS HERITAGE.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL CHILD DAYCARE USE AT 1 0 7 0 1 HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS ZONED THREE, UH, PD 3 2 2 A.
UM, THIS IS AN EXISTING, UM, SCHOOL AND THEY DO ALREADY RUN A BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL CHILD, UH, DAYCARE PROGRAM.
UM, THESE WOULD BE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, NUMBERS OF STUDENTS AND STAFF FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, WHICH IS A BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PRE-K FOUR PROGRAM.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING, UH, DAYCARE PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PRE-K FOUR AGED STUDENTS.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE FOR ONE HOUR BEFORE
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SCHOOL, SIX 30, UM, AM TO 7:30 AM AND THREE HOURS AFTER SCHOOL, 3:30 PM TO 6:30 PM THEY ARE EXPECTING ABOUT 10 PRE-K FOUR STUDENTS WITH A, UH, STAFF OF FOUR, ONE SITE DIRECTOR AND THREE TEACHERS.THERE WERE, UM, 34 NOTICES SENT OUT.
WE DID GET ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION, WHICH STATED THERE WAS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.
THERE WERE NO LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON THIS? AND COMMISSIONER ERY, IS THIS INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP TEXAS, IS IT THE CHARTER SCHOOL? DO YOU HAVE IT IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE, THE, UH, OPPOSITION LETTER THAT JUST SAYS THAT THEY DID TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EASTERN.
I DID GO MAKE A VISIT OVER THERE.
THEY DO NEED, SO MAYBE IT, IT, IT'S A LOT OF OPEN LAND SPACE THERE.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UH, SCHOOLS AND STUFF OVER THERE.
SO I THINK THERE'S BE MUCH NEEDED FOR THAT AREA.
THAT'S A TOTALLY GOOD BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER AS WELL.
OH, SPEAKER PAR AND I DO HAVE A CARD FROM THE APPLICANT, RACHEL CROCKER WITH KCE CHAMPIONS, LLC.
SHE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WISHES TO RECORD HER SUPPORT.
WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SPEAK, COME UP FOR A MINUTE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
UH, ADDRESS 5 8 0 1 GOLDEN TRIANGLE BOULEVARD, SUITE 1 0 3 PMB, 3 1 7 FORT WORTH, TEXAS
WE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, INQUIRIES FROM FAMILIES.
UH, THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY OFFERS A PRE-K PROGRAM THERE ALREADY.
UM, THE FAMILIES WERE INTERESTED IN US DOING OUR BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM FOR THEM TOO.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY DO SCHOOL AGE.
UM, SO THERE WAS SOME KIDDOS THAT HAD SIBLINGS THAT ARE IN PRE-K THAT ARE ALREADY ENROLLED IN OUR PROGRAM AND THEY WANTED TO THEIR LITTLES TO COME TOO.
I BELIEVE THE SCHOOLS STARTED OPERATING PRE-K AND JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND AS WELL.
AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE PRE-K WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN PRE-APPROVED BY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES FOR GRAND PRAIRIE TO HAVE PRE-K AS WELL AS, UM, CHILDCARE REGULATION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY LICENSED FOR PRE-K, BUT WE'RE JUST WAITING ON CITY APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
NOW HOW MANY OTHER, UH, UH, AFTER, AFTER SCHOOL AND BEFORE SCHOOL PROGRAMS ARE THERE IN THE AREA? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY, ARE THERE COLUMBUS? I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ARE IN THE AREA.
I'M IN THAT FACILITY AND IN THAT VICINITY, BUT I'M DROVE AROUND.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT.
IT DIDN'T REALLY A LOT OF, YEAH.
'CAUSE IT'S A NEW AREA, A NEW BUILD.
UM, WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS FIRST BUILT, MOST THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NEW.
THEY WERE JUST BUILDING APARTMENT COMPLEXES RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A TON.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT CLOSE BY.
I'M NOT AS SURE ABOUT OF OUR COMPETITORS LIKE CLAYTON OR YMCA OR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS IS, 'CAUSE THIS IS A SEPARATE PIECE THAT'S A CHARTER SCHOOL VERSUS, UM, LIKE GRAND PRAIRIE, ISD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANY THE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, MS. TURNER, HOW I, I'M SORRY MADAM CHAIR MY MIND.
IT'S LATE
THAT'S THE CURRENT PROGRAM WE HAVE.
UM, THEY DO, IT'S COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE SCHOOL'S ADMINISTRATION, WHETHER THEY WANT US THERE DURING BREAK TIMES, LIKE THANKSGIVING BREAK, CHRISTMAS BREAK, SPRING BREAK, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, SOMETIMES IF THE NEED IS THERE, THEY REQUEST US TO RUN FULL DAY.
NORMALLY IT'S SEVEN 30 TO FIVE 30 UNLESS THERE IS A BIG NEED TO RUN SIX 30 TO SIX 30.
UM, BUT IT'S FULLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SCHOOL AND THE JUST NEED IN THE AREA.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE RUN A BREAK PROGRAM HERE, UM, EXCEPT MAYBE SPRING BREAK LAST YEAR, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A TON OF ENROLLMENT IN THE SCHOOL.
BUT AS THE AREA'S GROWING, MORE KIDS ARE ENROLLING.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF BASED ON THEIR NEEDS.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST BEFORE AND AFTER, UNLESS THEY ASK US OTHERWISE.
UM, THE TYPE OF PERMIT THAT WE HAVE, UM, A BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM DOES ALLOW FOR US TO BE THERE DURING THAT BREAK TIMES WITHOUT ADJUSTING OUR PROGRAM.
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YOU.COMMISSIONER
UM, WITH THE PROGRAM, UM, DO Y'ALL PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION? AND THEN ALSO, UM, IS THERE A CURRICULUM THAT WOULD ADDRESS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, UH, FOR CHILDREN? YES.
SO FOR TRANSPORTATION, WE ARE ONLY OPERATING LIKE ON SCHOOL PROPERTY FOR THE KIDS THAT ATTEND THAT SCHOOL.
ADDITIONALLY, FOR BREAKS AS WELL, THEY HAVE TO ATTEND THAT SCHOOL DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
UM, WE DON'T BUS FROM ANY LOCATION SHOULD THERE BE AN EMERGENCY.
9 1 1 IS CALLED, UM, FOR AMBULANCES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON WOOD
BUT, UM, WE DON'T DO ANY TRANSPORTATION AS FAR AS OUR CURRICULUM.
IT HAS, UM, SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT WE FOLLOW FOR OUR COMPANY ITSELF.
WE HAVE AN INCLUSION SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UM, WHERE THEY HELP ADDRESS ANY INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIORAL CONCERNS OR ANY SPECIFIC, UM, HEALTH CONDITIONS WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE DIABETES OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES, UM, ANY SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS TO BE MADE.
WE MAKE WHATEVER EFFORT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE TO ACCOMMODATE THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF EVERY CHILD IN OUR PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, VACCINATIONS REQUIRED HMM.
A VACCINATIONS REQUIRED OF THE CHILDREN TO ATTEND THERE? UM, NO, NOT, UM, REQUIRED FOR, FROM HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, BECAUSE EVEN WITH PRE-K, PRE-K IS CONSIDERED A SCHOOL AGE PROGRAM AS WELL WITH, UM, CHILDCARE REGULATION.
AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE ENROLLED IN THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL IS REQUIRED TO GET THEIR IMMUNIZATIONS.
SO WE MARK IN THEIR FILE, LIKE THE PARENT HAS TO IDENTIFY THAT THEIR IMMUNIZATIONS ARE ON FILE WITH THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN, UM, CHILDCARE REGULATION TAKES THAT AND SAYS, OKAY, GREAT.
LIKE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU CAN FIND, MOVE FORWARD.
UNLESS WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITY REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRES US TO HAVE THEM ON SITE.
UM, THAT THEN IT'S JUST, IT JUST DEFAULTS TO THE, THAT THE SCHOOL HAS A COPY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION GOES ON? YES.
THANK, UH, DID YOU SEE THIS, THE FIRST ONE IN
UM, WE DO ALSO HAVE ONE AT INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF TEXAS GRAND PRAIRIE AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH I THINK IS OFF GREAT SOUTHWEST? I THINK.
SO WE ARE IN THAT PROGRAM AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE, I BELIEVE SINCE THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT, 2017 POSSIBLY, BUT THEY ONLY DO KINDER THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE OUTSIDE OF
WE ARE, I'M, I'M ALREADY TIRED THINKING ABOUT IT.
UM, JANUARY 7TH IN TEXAS? YES, MA'AM.
I'M, AND I'M THE ONE THAT APPLIES, SO I'M ALREADY LIKE YOU
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER LUCKY V'S.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, NO FURTHER CARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE GOOD? OKAY.
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UM, DISCUSSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE APPROVAL, UM, FOR SUP DASH 25 DASH EIGHT DASH 0 3 2.
SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR FOR ITEM NINE TO BE APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER LUCKY HAHN, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANK GONZALEZ.
[10. SUP-25-09-0037 - Specific Use Permit - Back Nine Golf Simulator (City Council District 4). Specific Use Permit for an Amusement Services (Indoor) facility on 0.917 acre. Lot 2R-1, Block 1, JAI Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned PD-465, and addressed as 2800 W Camp Wisdom Rd]
NUMBER 10 SUP 2 509 3 7 IS ANOTHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.THIS ONE IS FOR BACK NINE GOLF SIMULATOR.
UM, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AM AMUSEMENT SERVICES USE.
UM, LOCATED AT 2,800 WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD.
UH, SUITE NUMBER ONE 20 ZONE PD 4 6 5.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW, UM, OF THE LOCATION.
INDOOR GOLF SIMULATOR FRANCHISE.
THEIR OPERATION AND ACCESS WILL BE THREE SIMULATOR BASE.
THEY HAVE A MONTHLY AND YEARLY MEMBERSHIP.
UM, THEY DO PROVIDE 24 7 MEMBER ACCESS.
UM, THEIR PUBLIC ACCESS IS BY APPOINTMENT ONLY, AND IT DOES NOT GO BEYOND 9:00 PM THEIR CAPACITY AND STAFFING.
UH, EACH BACON HAVE MAXIMUM OF FIVE GUESTS.
PRIVATE EVENTS CAN HOST 30 TO 40 PEOPLE AND STAFF WILL BE ON SITE FOR TOURNAMENTS AND EVENTS.
UM, AND LASTLY, FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
NO SALE OF FOOD, DRINKS OR ALCOHOL.
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GOLF SIMULATOR MEMBERS, HOWEVER, CAN BRING THEIR OWN.WE DID SEND OUT 23, UM, NOTICES AND WE GOT ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION, WHICH SAID BASICALLY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS IN THIS BLOCK.
UH, WE DID NOT GET ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER AND HE DOES HAVE, UH, A LITTLE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, RICK? OKAY.
DO WE KNOW, DOES THIS BUILDING MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR HAVING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HE COULD HAVE THERE WITH MEMBERS? SO THE, THE, THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY IS CALCULATED WITH THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, UH, THAT THAT IS PENDING.
AND SO THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
UM, SO ANY BUSINESS HAS TO HAVE THAT SIGNED, POSTED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN THAT, THAT BUSINESS CANNOT EXCEED WITH THAT.
IT'S SO THE NUMBER, IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET.
IT, IT, I I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER.
IF IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED, IF IT HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED, IT WILL BE AS PART OF THE COO PROCESS.
IS THAT ALREADY AN OPERATING BUSINESS? NO.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF TO CATCH UP.
PLEASE SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT TONIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE SPRINGER CARD FROM THE APPLICANT.
RICARDO, IS IT DILLA OR, UH, RICARDO.
D DLA, UH, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE TITLE.
CAN YOU COME ON NOW PLEASE? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
SORRY, YOU CAN HERE ALL EVENING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE QUICK
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, RICARDO DAVILA, UM, 45 33 MARBLE ARTS DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS.
SO I'M A DISTRICT FOUR RESIDENT AND A DISTRICT FOUR BUSINESS PERSON, HOPEFULLY HERE.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, I FEEL AS WHAT? I FEEL AS IF WHAT I PREPARED REALLY ISN'T ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU GUYS.
IT'S MORE OF A, I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW I'M ACTUALLY BEING, UM, ZONED.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA ANSWER WHAT QUESTION YOU GUYS HAVE AND GO ON WITH THIS PERMIT PROCESS.
AND IF THIS IS THE WAY THAT I HAVE TO GET THERE, THEN THIS IS THE WAY THAT I HAVE TO GET THERE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER FED HAVE A QUESTION OR ARE YOU DOING I WAS, YOU KIND OF OPENED THE DOOR.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HOUSE BEING ZONED? WELL, BASICALLY THE, UM, WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, AMUSEMENT FOR THE, FOR THE INDOOR, UM, UH, THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE TERMING IT AND THE WAY THAT I'VE BEEN PROPOSING OR THE LETTER THAT I HAVE AND, AND THE WAY THAT MY FRANCHISE IS APPRO, UH, IS APPROACHING IT, IS, IS MORE OF A GYM.
BECAUSE WE'RE A, A FACILITY THAT TRAINS, WE'RE NOT TOPGOLF, WE'RE NOT A, A TOKEN ARCADE CENTER.
WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY A MEMBER'S HEAVY GYM.
THE ONLY REASON WE DO, UM, PUBLIC TEE TIMES IS SO THAT WAY I CAN OFFER THEM THEIR MONEY BACK.
SO THEY COME IN, THEY PAY $55 TO COME IN AND HAVE A PUBLIC TEE TIME.
I SAY YOU CAN HAVE YOUR 55 BACK IF YOU BECOME A MEMBER, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A, IN A BETTER BUSINESS SENSE, OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST, UH, EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE MARKETING STRATEGIES THAT BRING US THROUGH TO GET MEMBERS IN THERE.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO SELL IT AT IS A MEMBERS FOCUSED, DRIVEN GYM WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN, IF YOU GO TO, INTO A GYM, YOU LIFT A 10 POUND WEIGHT, YOU PROGRESS TO THE 20 POUND WEIGHT, YOU PROGRESS TO THE 30 POUND WEIGHT, YOU GET STRONGER, YOU GET BETTER, YOU GET BIGGER.
YOU HIT, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN SHOT, YOU WANNA SHOOT A NINE IRON.
WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER TRAINING WITH THAT, YOU, YOU GO DOWN TO A WEDGE, YOU GO DOWN TO A SMALLER CLUB BECAUSE YOU CAN HIT IT FURTHER.
YOU CAN DIAL YOUR, YOUR THING IN.
YOU'RE NOT SLICING, HOOKING THE BALL.
SO WE LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A GYM, AS A, AS A, AND, AND THAT'S THE WHAT I APOLOGIZE.
IT IS PART OF THAT, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR ANALOGY, BUT MOST CHANNELS DON'T ALLOW YOU TO BRING FOUR OR FIVE GUESTS IN.
THAT, THAT MAKES IT MORE LIKE INDOOR MUSIC.
WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THEM IN TO SELL THEM ON THE MEMBERSHIP.
THAT THAT'S, THAT IS THE MEMBERSHIP DRIVEN APPROACH THAT WE HAVE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN AMUSEMENT THING.
WE WANT IT TO BE TO BRING THEM IN TO PLAY, BECAUSE WHO WANTS TO TRAIN THE ENTIRE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE GYM? I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN I GO TO THE GYM, I HAVE A PARTNER I GO TO THE GYM WITH BECAUSE THAT PARTNER PUSHES ME, HELPS ME TO LIFT SPOTS ME.
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THIS DONE? THERE'S, THERE'S COMRADERY TO IT.THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL A SOCIAL ASPECT OF GOLF.
WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE SO SOCIAL THAT WE ARE TOP GOLF MAIN EVENT, YOU KNOW, TOKEN, ARCADE FREE PLAY, ANY OF THESE SPOTS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE PLAYING AND YOU'RE DRINKING AND YOU'RE DOING ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
WE WANT 'EM TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE WANT 'EM TO TRAIN.
I DID DRIVE BY AND I SAW YOU, YOU, YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
THIS IS MY, MY FIRST CONCERN IS, UM, YOU, YOU YOU'S ONLY ONE ONE STAFF RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOU GOTTA DO A PORTAL, HOW ARE YOU GONNA KEEP UP WITH THAT? AND WHO'S TO SAY SOMEBODY MIGHT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE AND YOU'RE OVERBOOKED AND THE OCCUPANCY IS INVOLVED.
THERE'S ZERO WAY TO BE OVERBOOKED.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD BE IS IF ONE OF OUR MEMBERS OVER BRINGS SOMEONE IN.
AND IF THAT HAPPENED, WE HAVE, I HAVE SIX SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.
EVERY ANGLE, ALL MY EQUIPMENT, ALL THESE SIMULATORS ARE $54,000 A PIECE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GONNA DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THESE PEOPLE? YOU SAID IT'S MEMBERSHIP.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA VET AND THERE'S GONNA BE CRITERIA.
WELL, NO, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THAT BECAUSE THEIR CREDIT CARD'S ON FILE, THIS, THE, THE CLOSEST THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU TO IT IS LIKE UBER.
THINK OF UBER AND THINK OF THE, THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WITH UBER ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO ZONE THINGS LIKE THIS AND UNDERSTAND THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEW TO US.
THEY'RE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM.
I'M NEW TECHNOLOGY AND BRINGING SOMEONE IN LIKE THAT.
UH, SO SAY WITH AN UBER, YOU'RE IN A CAR AND YOU, YOU SHATTER THEIR WINDOW, YOUR CREDIT CARD IS CHARGED, YOU THROW UP IN THEIR CAR.
THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ACCIDENTAL OR A, A, A CLEANING FEE OR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
THOSE ARE ALL WRITTEN INTO OUR CONTRACT.
AND WHY WE DO EVERYTHING AS NON-CASH.
NOBODY CAN KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND GET IN.
THERE'S A QR CODE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THAT QR CODE ON THE OUTSIDE ESSENTIALLY TELLS THEM, GO TO THE WEBSITE AND BOOK.
NOW WHEN THEY BOOK, IF I HAVE THREE PARTIES THAT BOOK AND THOSE THREE BAYS ARE FILLED, NOBODY ELSE CAN BOOK FOR THAT HOUR.
NOW THEY CAN COME IN 15 MINUTES BEFORE THEIR NEXT BOOKING.
SO IF THEY'VE ALL BOOKED AN HOUR, THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN AT 8 45 FOR THEIR NINE O'CLOCK BOOKING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A, A WAITING AREA FOR, OR A HOLDING AREA.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, BREAK, YOU BRING FOOD IN.
HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING IN ALCOHOL AND YOU'RE NOT THERE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY ONE STAFF SITTING THERE.
AND I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT, THAT THEY WON'T.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A PRO, IT'S A PROG A PROGRESS OF GOING THROUGH ALCOHOL.
WILL YOU HAVE A LICENSE OR NO, NO, NO.
'CAUSE HOW LONG DO THEY BRING IN ALCOHOL THEN IF, IF, IF THEY BRING IT IN? IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF ME, UH, POLICING IT, NOT, NOT SO MUCH IN A, IN A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT, RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING AS IF THEY STAY FOR THREE HOURS WHEN THEY ONLY RENTED ONE.
I HAVE TO HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE APPROACH TO COME BACK TO THEM AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, I SAW THAT YOU, YOU USED THE SIMULATORS FOR A COUPLE OF EXTRA HOURS, OR I SAW YOU, YOU WERE THERE AND YOU HAD A BOTTLE OF JIM BERMAN SITTING JIM BEAM SITTING OUT DIRECTLY IN SIGHT AND WHATNOT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE MEMBER FOCUSED APPROACH, BECAUSE I NEED TO BE, I NEED TO KNOW THAT EVERY PERSON THAT I SIGN UP FOR THIS SPOT HAS SOME KIND OF BELONGING TO IT.
WHEN YOU GO TO A COUNTRY CLUB, THOSE MEMBERS WANNA WEAR THE SHIRT.
THEY WANNA BE PART OF THAT, AND THEY WANNA SELL THAT TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON.
AND, AND I, I FEEL AS IF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE, AND THE REASON THAT I CAME FORWARD IN WITH THIS IN THE, IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS BECAUSE I HAD A, A, A, A NETWORK AND A GROUP LARGE ENOUGH THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GOLF.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE GOLF, UH, COURSES AND I'VE ALREADY PARTNERED WITH THOSE GOLF COURSES, OBVIOUSLY, HONESTLY, UH, GRAND OAKS AND UH, PRAIRIE LAKES TO BE ABLE TO SWAP SERVICES AND DO THOSE THINGS AND BRING SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS IN.
AND I, I THINK IT'S JUST, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A NIGHTCLUB.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, THE ONLY DAY ACTUALLY IS YOU GOT THE DAYCARE RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW.
AND HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN OVER TO THAT DAYCARE AND I'VE GIVEN 'EM TOKENS AND I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY INQUIRED ABOUT IT.
SO I'M ON VERY GOOD TERMS WITH EVERYBODY THERE AT THE BARBERSHOP NEXT TO ME, THE SMOKE SHOP, THE FR THE SMOOTHIE SHOP ON THE END.
UH, I HAVEN'T MET THE OWNER OF THE PIZZERIA ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, YET, BUT I'M BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE, WITH THE MANAGER THAT WORKS THERE.
YOU'RE HIT THE GAME BECAUSE MY BIG DEAL IS KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR.
I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE WELL.
AND ALSO I LIVE THREE BLOCKS AWAY, SO IT'S, IT'S MY HOME TOO.
I, I'M THE GUY THAT GOES OUT IN THE BACK AND SHOVELS THE GARBAGE FROM AROUND THE, UH, THE TRASH RECEPTACLE BECAUSE NEEDS CALLS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE CALLS FROM THERE.
COMMISSIONER, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? I THOUGHT YOU DID.
ANY, DID COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER NITA, WE GONNA HAVE A GOLF FOR SECOND.
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AND THE WAY THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME, AGAIN, WITH THE MEMBERS DRIVEN FOCUS AND WHATNOT, IS TO BRING THEM IN TO ADVERTISE FOR ME AND THEN TO EXCUSE ME, AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND SELL THE MEMBERSHIPS TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY BRING IN.UM, AGAIN, I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS LACKING DOWN HERE.
UH, A COUPLE OF THE MEMBER, I MEAN A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO AT THE, THE DIFFERENT, UH, COURSES AND RANGES ARE, ARE TELLING ME THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE A, WITH THE ACCESS THAT WE HAVE, THEY CAN COME AFTER DARK, DURING RAIN OUTS.
I CAN GIVE A GIVE AWAY HOURS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO COME IN AND, AND TRAIN AND DO STUFF THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BAD WEEKS OF, OF RAIN.
YOU KNOW, GRAND OAKS IS A A A, A COURSE THAT FLOODS OUT VERY OFTEN, AND WHEN THEY FLOOD OUT, THEY CAN, THEY CAN TURN TO THEIR MEMBERS AND, AND, AND BUY TIME TO COME OVER HERE TO KEEP THEM GOLFING AND TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESS GOING AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF BARTERING AND, AND, AND HANDSHAKES BETWEEN GRAND PRAIRIE AND TRYING TO STAY IN GRAND PRAIRIE
UH,
PUBLIC TEE TIMES ARE AVAILABLE, SO THAT'S $55 AN HOUR.
BUT WITH THAT $55 AN HOUR, OR IF THEY DO 110, SAY THEY, THEY COME FOR TWO HOURS, I OFFER THEM BACK THAT MONEY IMMEDIATELY OFF OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
AND THAT INCLUDES FIVE POINTS PER PERSON? NO, NO, FOR THE PUBLIC TEE TIME, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BRING IN THEMSELVES IN ONE GUEST.
SO THERE'S LEVELS, THERE'S LEVELS TO ALL OF IT.
I GUESS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE READING IS, IS MY EAGLE PACKAGE, WHICH MY EAGLE PACKAGE IS THE HIGHEST OF THE PACKAGES THAT I HAVE.
AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BRING IN THE, THE FOUR PEOPLE TOTAL.
AND WITH THOSE FOUR PEOPLE COMING IN, UH, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THAT INITIAL GUYS CREDIT CARD THOUGH.
SO THEY ALL TAKE THE LIABILITY FOR IT.
SO THEY COME IN, THEY SMASH SCREENS, THEY DO THIS, THEY DO THAT.
AND COULD YOU SHARE YOUR MEMBERSHIP PRICES? UH, YEAH, I DEFINITELY, AND I, I HAVE SOME, UH, SOME FLYERS AND STUFF TO GIVE AWAY FOR YOU AS WELL.
BUT, UH, SO, UH, PUBLIC TEE TIME BEING THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, $55 AN HOUR.
SO FOR THE PRICE RIGHT NOW, I'M RUNNING A SPECIAL BEFORE WE OPEN, WHEN WE OPEN
SO 165 BUCKS IS, UH, OUR BIRDIE, UH, MEMBERSHIP.
THAT'S, UH, ONE PERSON, TWO GUESTS, ONE TEE TIME FOR TWO HOURS A PIECE.
I CAN SAY THAT AGAIN IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR IT.
BUT, UM, AND THAT GETS YOU 24 7 ACCESS ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
BUT WITH ONLY HAVING ONE TEE TIME, YOU'RE ABLE TO BOOK YOUR TEE TIME FOR YOUR TWO HOURS.
SAY YOU PLAY NINE TO 11, RIGHT? WHEN 11 O'CLOCK HITS, YOU'VE GOTTA VACATE THE PREMISES.
BUT YOU CAN BOOK 12 O'CLOCK TO TWO O'CLOCK IF YOU WANT, TWO O'CLOCK TO FOUR O'CLOCK IF YOU WANT.
THE, THE WHOLE POINT IS EVENTUALLY I'LL HAVE ENOUGH MEMBERS WHERE THERE WON'T BE ACCESS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY THE BIGGER PACKAGE, THE EAGLE IS 2 65 A MONTH.
AND ACTUALLY THOSE ARE DISCOUNTED RATES FROM THE 20% RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT HAS TWO ACCOUNT MANAGERS AND YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING THE, THE THREE GUESTS, TWO TEE TIMES AT A TIME.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU COULD BOOK ONE NOW AND THEN BOOK ONE FOR YOUR SISTER'S BIRTHDAY A MONTH FROM NOW, AND YOU CAN JUST KEEP THAT ONE ON THE BOOKS, THEN YOU ALWAYS HAVE ONE REVOLVING, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND IT'S THE SAME THING, 24 7 ACCESS.
SO YOU SAY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STOP TIME IS 9:00 PM YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
STOP TIME IS 9:00 PM FOR NON-MEMBERS.
SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A MEMBERSHIP, THEY CAN'T BOOK A TEE TIME.
WELL NO, THEY ACTUALLY CAN'T BOOK IF TEE TIME PAST 8:00 PM BECAUSE THEY CAN PLAY TILL 9:00 PM 9:00 PM THEY HAVE TO BE VACATED FROM THE, FROM THE FACILITY.
9:00 PM IS CUT OFF FOR EVERYONE.
NO, 9:00 PM WELL THERE'S 24 HOURS.
THAT MEANS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING GOING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA LATE AT NIGHT.
AND, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE INTO THE WINDOWS I MADE SURE OF, OF VETTING IT ALL OFF.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE ON IS MY SIGN AND THE LIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY PROTRUDING DOWN.
SO THE, THE, THE PARKING LOT'S LIT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIT.
THE LIGHTS ON THE ON THE AWNINGS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON, AND THE LIGHTS STAY ON ALL NIGHT, UH, FOR, FOR OUR FACILITY ALREADY.
SO I HAD LOOKED INTO ALL THAT BEFORE, BEFORE EVEN PICKING THIS, UH, THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM THAT I HAD BECAUSE WHEN I WENT IN FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS, I, I PUT EVERYTHING THAT I WAS DOING AND WHAT I PLANNED AND STILL HAD TO KIND OF COME THROUGH THE, IS THIS YOUR PROS, UH, OPPORTUNITY? THIS IS, THIS IS OKAY.
AND I'M TAKING IT VERY SERIOUS.
I HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON THIS.
IF, IF YOU COULD JUST INTERPRET THIS SENTENCE FOR ME, 'CAUSE I'M HAVING HAD TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING PART OF IT.
DEMONSTRATIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE PAST 9:00 PM I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THEY SAY THE MEMBERS AND THEIR GUESTS ARE ONLY ALLOWED WITH FACILITY DURING NIGHT HOURS LEADING INTO THE DAY.
MEANING, MEANING THAT, THAT NINE 9:00 PM TO 8:00 AM THE ONLY TIME
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SOMEBODY COULD COME IN THERE IS A MEMBER.SO A MEMBER WOULD HAVE TO BOOK THAT.
SO THIS PROPRIETARY PORTAL THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST LIKE UBER CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS ARE TAKEN THROUGH IT, BOOKING PAYMENTS ARE TAKEN THROUGH IT.
THERE IS NOT AN ABILITY TO DOUBLE BOOK.
I HAVE A, A CALENDAR THAT GOES DOWN THAT SAYS LITERALLY THEY'RE IN THIS TIME SLOT AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
THE ONLY THING IS THAT, UH, SAFETY WISE, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'VE ALREADY THE PEOPLE, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE A FEW PEOPLE COMING AT ONE THAT'S GONNA STILL COME OF VEGAS, YOU LATE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE A CONCERN WITH ACTIVITY GOING ON THAT LATE IN THE EVENING.
I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN, I'M FACING THE ROAD AND I'M PRETTY FAR UP ONTO THE ROAD.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE, UH, SUBDIVISION RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THEY'RE BEHIND ME BECAUSE I'M, I'M FACING CAMP WISDOM.
AND THERE'S SUBDIVISION BEHIND YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE 24 HOURS OFF THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S JUST AN AMENITY YOU TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE, TO ME, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR ARE THE HOAS AWARE, ARE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF.
'CAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GO GOING TO THE STORE LATE AT NIGHT AND THEY SEE ALL THAT GOING ON OVER THERE.
THEY MIGHT WONDER, WELL, WHY? AND IT'S JUST ALLOWED.
NOBODY ELSE IS OPERATING IN THAT ZONE.
UH, AFTER I WANNA SAY NO, I, I THINK THE SMOKE SHOP IS OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT, BUT, UM, NOBODY ELSE IS REALLY OPERATING THERE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING TOOTH AND NAIL ON THIS SINCE I GOT MY BUILDING PERMITS ON JULY 22ND.
AND I'M THERE UNTIL ONE IN THE MORNING, HALF OF THE TIME MYSELF.
AND I AM ONE OF TWO CARS IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO, UH, I DON'T FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M A LITTLE BIASED TO THAT AND WHATNOT, BUT, UH, AT THE SAME POINT, I, I HAVE NOT GONE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE ONLY REASON I HAVEN'T IS BECAUSE I'M READY TO OPEN.
I WAS PLANNING ON OPEN A WEEK AND A HALF AGO AND THIS KIND OF DERAILED ME, WHICH IT HAPPENS, BUT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GO IN AND OVER PROMISE AND UNDER DELIVER SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, COME SEE ME.
I, I WANT TO, I WANT TO GO WHEN I HAVE A DAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BUSINESS ITSELF.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE ALL SAFE, SAFE AND, AND, AND SECURE AND, AND NOT ANY INTEREST FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DID NOT WANNA DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF SERVING DRINKS OR FOOD OR ALCOHOL OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, BECAUSE IT, IT IS, IT'S IN MY BACKYARD TOO, AND IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT I WANT MY KIDS TO BE ABLE TO, 'CAUSE I, MY, MY SON'S 18, MY SON'S GONNA BE A MEMBER AND MY SON'S GONNA BE IN AND OUT OF THERE HITTING GOLF BALLS JUST AS MUCH AS, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I, I WANT IT TO BE MEMBER DRIVEN.
AND I, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE A SPOT TO DO THIS SINCE PLACES LIKE THE LAKE RIDGE GOLF CENTER ARE CLOSED DOWN RIGHT NOW FOR RENOVATION.
COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND NO PROBLEM.
UM, WE HAVE NO FURTHER THE CARDS, NO MORE SECRET CARDS.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 10 SUP 2 5 0 9 0 0 3 7 AND APPROVE AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CHERYL SMITH, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER 10 AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARI.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THAT BEING THE LAST CASE? IT'S 8 0 4 AND WE ARE DISMISSED.