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THE STAFF.[ Call to Order]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 28TH, 2025.I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS HEREBY CALL BACK TO ORDER AT 6:31 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.
ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE ROUTINE ITEMS WHICH CAN BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.
HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA.
INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD.
THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA.
ITEM BEING CALLED, I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE, CHERYL SMITH.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS OF PRESENT.
AND NOW WE WILL HAVE COMMISSIONER T CHAPMAN GIVE THE INVOCATION.
AND AFTER THAT, COMMISSIONER MICHELLE MADDEN WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO US AND TEXAS FLAT.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY WITH FULL HEARTS.
LORD GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR LEADERSHIP AND SERVICE.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE FATHER GOD, THAT YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF WISDOM AND STRENGTH.
AND WE ASK YOUR GUIDANCE IN ALL THAT WE DO.
LORD GOD, PROTECT THOSE THAT ARE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES EVERY DAY TO KEEP US SAFE.
STRENGTHEN THEM IN THE TIMES OF HARDSHIP.
WE THANK YOU LORD GOD, FOR YOUR GRACE AND MERCY WHICH SUSTAINS US IN TIMES OF JOY AND IN TIMES OF TRIAL, LORD, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF STORMS, GRANT US PEACE.
PEACE THAT SURPASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING.
LORD GOD, I I ASK A SPECIAL PRAYER FOR OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER IN THIS TIME OF GRIEVING FOR HER FAMILY.
GIVE HER YOUR STRENGTH AND YOUR MERCY TO MAKE IT THROUGH THIS TIME.
WELL GOD, WE THANK YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOUR WILL IS PERFECT AND ENTIRE IN EVERY WAY.
AND WE REJOICE FATHER GOD, KNOWING THAT YOU ARE A LIVING CHRIST, THAT WE SERVE IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.
IT IS IN YOUR DARLING SON JESUS' NAME WE PRAY.
PLEASE RISE AND JOIN US IN THE US AND TEXAS PLEDGES.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I HAVE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO AGAIN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ANGELA LUCKY HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT WHO DID LOSE HER FATHER.
AND WE ARE IN PRAYER FOR YOU, ANGELA.
AND UH, JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE FOR YOU IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS.
THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM FINGERS FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT.
ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING.
SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENTED.
APPLICABLE INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM AT THIS TIME, CITIZENS MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE DON'T HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSIDERATION IS APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA.THERE IS ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 14TH, 2025 PNZ MEETING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO ANYONE CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? NONE MA'AM.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND
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VOTE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE, THE MINUTES FROM OUR APRIL 14TH MEETING, PLEASE.WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC CONSENT AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER JOHN FCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MICHELLE MADDEN.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
[2. STP-25-04-0012 - Site Plan - Rise Up Retail at Midtown (City Council District 2). Site Plan for two multi-tenant buildings for retail and restaurant uses within Midtown Development on 2.60 acres. A portion of Lot 4, Block 1, Slink Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned PD-397, within the 161 Corridor Overlay District and tentatively addressed as 3731 S Hwy 161]
PLEASE.COMMISSIONER THE ITEM NUMBER TWO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY, THANK YOU.
THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A SIP PLAN STP 25 0 4 0 0 1 2.
THIS IS A SPECULATED MULTI-TENANT, UM, BUILDING AT, UH, MIDTOWN BY A RISE OF ENTERPRISES.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, TWO SPECULATED MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS ON THIS LOCATION.
WE HAVE SEEN THE RA MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE SEEN OTHER PROPOSAL FOR MORE RETAIL AND, UH, RESTAURANT TENANTS.
AGAIN, WE HAVE RECENTLY SEEN A SITE PLAN TO THE NORTH SIDE PLAN TO THE SOUTH.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THIS MIDDLE LOT.
THEY'RE A SEPARATE DEVELOPER FROM OTHER TWO LOTS.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FEATURES TWO BUILDINGS KIND OF SEPARATE BY AN A SHARED OPEN SPACE.
THEY'RE MEETING THE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT WITH AN EXCEPTION FOR A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT TO EXCEED BY ONE FEET.
THEY ARE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE PROVIDING, UM, SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPE ALONG THE 1 61 AND COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENT AS SHOWN.
I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING A NICE OPEN SPACE, WHICH I'LL FEATURE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TABLES WITH UMBRELLAS.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A PERGOLA WITH SITTING AREAS, BENCHES AND WATER FEATURE, WHICH WILL NICELY ENHANCE THIS AREA SO THAT IT CAN BE ACTUALLY USABLE OPEN SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, GOING TO BE VISITING THESE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.
YOU CAN NOTE THAT THEY'RE USING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GLAZING AT THE FRONT AND THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, INCLUDING SLOPED ROOF TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING.
THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE WINDOWS IN SOME OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AREA.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, MURALS, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE A VARIANCE, WHICH WILL COVER IN MORE DETAIL.
SO THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR APPENDIX F MENU ITEM LIST.
ONE, AS I MENTIONED, THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM M LEVEL HEIGHT OF 25 FEET BY ONE FOOT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE THAT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS, WHICH HAVE APPROVED SIMILAR VARIANCES ON OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
OVERALL WINDOWS, WE REQUIRE THE, UH, 50% OF THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING TO BE COVERED IN WINDOWS.
WHAT YOU COULD PROBABLY NOTICE IS THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE LENGTH.
HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GLAZING OVERALL, AND ALSO THEY'RE PROVIDING MURALS AS COMPENSATORY MEASURES ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS THAT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS VARIANCE REQUESTS.
WE HAVE ONE CONDITION IMPOSED BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES.
THEY JUST WANNA ENSURE THAT THE 40 FOOT CLEAR SPACE BEFORE THIS DUMPSTER CAN BE PROVIDED.
UM, THEY HAVE OPTION TO EITHER, UH, SHIFT THE DUMPSTER TO THE BACK IF THEY NEED MORE QUE, UH, MORE ROOM, OR THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO POSSIBLY STRAP THIS PARKING SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO CARS PARKED.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RESOLVED EASILY.
WE'LL JUST NOT HIGHLIGHT THAT.
JUST SO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER'S IN QUE COMMISSIONER.
UM, ON THE, ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS MM-HMM
THE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT FUTURE USE POTENTIAL? YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY HAD A DRIVE THROUGH WHICH WAS REMOVED DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS JUST ONE THING THAT THEY FORGOT TO CLEAN UP.
I'LL GET THAT CORRECTIVE, BUT THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE BRIEFING.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM TANNER LLOYD WHO WISHES TO, UM, NOTE HIS SUPPORT.
HE'S AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I'M A BIRCH CONSTRUCTION, UH, HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, WHICH I MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING, WAS ABOUT, I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, THAT BEING THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND RIGHT NEXT TO ANDRETTI'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY START HAVING A LOT OF EVENTS AND THEN YOU HAVE A APARTMENTS OVER THERE.
DID YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN, WHEN THINKING ABOUT THAT SITE? UM, YES, WE DID.
AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UH, NUMEROUS, UH, WAYS OF ACCESS FROM THE BACK AND THE FRONT, UH, WOULD, WOULD HELP THAT TOO.
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WE TRIED TO PUT AS MUCH PARKING AS PO AS POSSIBLE AS WELL THERE, UM, AT LEAST FOR THE REQUIREMENTS GIVEN.SO THE, THEIR, UH, PARKING IS F COMING IN AND OUT IN, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UH, IS THE AC THE ACCESS THE EXITS? UH, YES.
IT'S ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU FOR COMING.
UH, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
UH, ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NOT FOR THIS ITEM.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? I BELIEVE IT'S ON YOU.
SO I, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO STP 2 5 0 4 0 0 1 2 SITE PLAN FOR RISE UP RETAIL AT MIDTOWN.
AND I MOVE TO APPROVE IT WITH DRC RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM TWO BY COMMISSIONER MICHELLE MADDEN.
ANY SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANK GONZALEZ.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[3. STP-25-03-0009 - Site Plan - Warehouses at Arkansas (City Council District 2). Site Plan for two industrial warehouses on 10.0 acres. Tract 3A, William Thompson Survey, Abstract No. 1558, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned PD-459, and addressed as 2801 Arkansas Ln and 2800 S Great Southwest Pkwy]
NUMBER TWO IS, UH, ANOTHER SITE PLAN STP 25 0 3 0 0 0 9 8.THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR TWO WAREHOUSES.
SO THIS TWO SPECULATIVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES.
THESE WERE ALLOWED BY A RECENT ZONING, UH, ZONE CHANGE APPROVAL OF PD 4 59, WHERE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN SO THEY CAN PROCEED WITH OTHER FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
HERE'S AN AREA VIEW OF WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES HERE THAT WE WERE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION WHEN THE ZONING WAS APPROVED.
UM, I WANNA COVER, UM, MORE SUBSTANTIALLY SITE PLAN REVIEW, BUT THEIR TRUCK DOCK IS LOCATED ABOUT HERE, UH, WHICH THEY HAVE A BUFFER WITH THE, UH, DRAIN EASEMENT AND ALSO WITH THE BUILDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY ON THIS SITE PLAN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TO YOU THAT THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING EIGHT FOOT TALL MASON.
TYPICAL REQUIREMENT IS SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT TALL AND THEY ARE BUILDING IS AT LEAST 80 FEET AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEY WILL PROVIDE 80 FEET PLUS, UM, WHATEVER THE AREA THESE HOMES WILL HAVE.
AGAIN, THEIR TRUCK COURT IS INTERNALLY LOCATED AND SCREENED BY A BUILDING THAT'S PROJECTIONS, UM, WILL SUBSTANTIALLY HIDE IT.
THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR DENSITY AND THE MISSIONAL REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THEY ARE MEETING OUR, UM, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED TREE MITIGATION PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT WILL BE, UH, VISIBLE FROM THE UH, GREAT SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS KIND OF A VIEW OF THE INNER, UH, TRUCK YARD.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THE BUILDING CORNERS WILL HIDE IT AND THERE'LL BE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING PROVIDED.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE FEATURED ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES.
I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS CONDITION THREE WILL BE REMOVED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, THE TWO CONDITIONS, ONE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS IS PROVIDED AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY, UH, CITY CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
THEY DID PROVIDE ONE FOR, UH, REVIEW AROUND MARCH, EARLY MARCH.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS NOT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THAT APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS SITE PLAN.
UH, WE GAVE THE APPLICANT AN OPTION TO PROCEED WITH THAT BEING A CONDITION.
ANOTHER CONDITION IS THAT, UM, SOME OF THE DRIVEWAY RADIUS THAT WAS PROVIDED ON THIS SITE PLAN DID NOT MATCH WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT APPROVED DURING THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH PROPOSES 50 FOOT LIBERTY ALONG THIS 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT EITHER THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL OR THAT THE STATE, UH, CONDITION STAYS THERE FOR THE, UH, FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS.
THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
WELL, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER MADDEN HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
YES, COMMISSIONER? ACTUALLY I HAVE TWO.
YOU'D MENTIONED THAT THE, THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL MM-HMM
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS 80 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE HOMES BEHIND.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S 80 FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT.
SO IT WILL BE CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL ON THEIR PROPERTY, PROPERTY ON TYPICALLY THE, BASICALLY SCREENING WHAT WAS REQUIRED ALL ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S ABUTTING OBJECTION NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
UM, ON THIS, UM, PLAN MM-HMM
THAT ISLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE MM-HMM
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UM, IS THAT A DEPRESSION IN THE CONCRETE OR IS THAT LIKE TRULY YES.SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THIS AREA THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A DEPRESSED AREA.
'CAUSE THERE IS A CREEK THAT'S CUTTING THROUGH MM-HMM
SO IT WILL BE, UH, USED FOR THEIR STORM DRAINAGE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FULLY DESIGNED AND REVIEWED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOUR, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A BIG DIP IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE ONE DRAWING LOOKS ALMOST LIKE THERE'S A CURB.
LIKE THE RENDERING SHOWED WHAT LOOKED LIKE A CURB IF YOU GO TO THE RENDERING.
SO THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST SHOWING THE EDGE OF THAT POND BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO WALK INTO THAT DEEP WATER SOURCE.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME KIND OF A CURVE LINE AROUND THERE, POSSIBLY.
BUT MAINLY THAT AREA WILL BE, UH, RECESS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE ON PIONEER ON 360, YOU SEE HOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT DITCH RIGHT NEAR CARRIER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WATER GOING UNDER THERE.
THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO BACK UP AND DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO WITH IF EVEN IF THERE'S A CURB THERE WITH THE TRUCK.
THEY HAVE ENOUGH THAT FOR THE TRUCK COURT? YES.
AND ANOTHER THING TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THEY DO HAVE SOME TREES NEXT TO THAT SCREENING WALL.
SO I THINK IT WILL HAVE A WALL, TREES AND BUILDING KIND OF FAR OFF ALL THE WAY FROM THE BUIL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES.
I HAD A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE EAST.
UH, REMEMBER THIS, UH, SPECIFIC, THIS LANDS, YOU KNOW, A LOT THERE THAT THERE'S, UH, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE LANDLOCKED.
YOU KNOW, DID WE, WAS THAT AGREED AS TO WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THAT THERE JUNE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? THERE'S A, LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.
THE ARROW VIEW WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST.
I THINK IF I RECALL RIGHT THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, TO THE EAST OF THAT, THERE'S THAT LAND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF GOES TO THE DRAINAGE.
WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE? OH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY DEDICATED TO THE CITY FOR A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
SO THERE'S ACCESS TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP DURING OUR, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW, SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THE ENGINEERING AT THAT TIME ANSWERED THAT THERE IS AN ACTUALLY ACCESS DRIVE THROUGH THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION, BUT I'LL CONFIRM THAT.
I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU GUYS PUT THAT INTO THE, UH, CONCERNS.
THAT HAD TO BE MET BEFORE GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED WITHOUT PROVIDING SOME ACCESS TO THE CITY, BUT WILL CONFIRM THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT REMOVE THAT ACCESS.
SO ALL THOSE REPORTS AND ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS YOU HAD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO YOU FRONT AND CENTER BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON EVERYTHING.
ON THE CIVIL ENGINEER PART, YES.
THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THIS SITE PLAN APPROVAL CONDITIONS.
WE TRY TO NOT HAVE CONDITIONS AS IF POSSIBLE, BUT IN CASES WHERE, UH, STAFF HAVE SHARED OUR CONCERNS AND THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED, WE TRY TO AT LEAST MOVE, LET THEM MOVE FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME WORK WITH STAFF AND REMOVE THE CONDITIONS BEFORE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS AN OPTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU.
ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE ONE CARD FROM JONATHAN TOOLEY WHO WISHES TO, UH, NOTE HIS SUPPORT ON THE ITEM.
BUT WE'LL SPEAK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, TOOLEY? WE, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS.
WE HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, BOARD BRIEFING ON THIS CASE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MADDEN, I BELIEVE IT'S YOURS.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, TP TWO FIVE DASH ZERO THREE DASH 0 0 0 9 SITE PLAN WAREHOUSES AT ARKANSAS.
AND MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UM, WITH DRCS RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND THAT
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER MAD MICHELLE MADDEN, UH, TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANK GONZALEZ.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[4. VCC-25-04-0002 - Fence Exception - Hidden Creek Screening Fence (City Council District 1). Exception to Required Fences in the Unified Development Code (UDC) to allow a wooden fence with masonry columns instead of the required masonry screening wall along Duncan Perry Rd and Avenue H East. The west side of Duncan Perry Rd and the north side of Avenue H East along the Hidden Creek Subdivision, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas]
ALRIGHT, THIS NEXT ITEM IS OFFENSE EXCEPTION FOR HIDDEN CREEK SCREENING FENCE FOR PHASE ONE.UH, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING MASONRY SCREENING WALL, UH, SHOWN IN YELLOW ON THE AERIAL.
UH, THE UDC REQUIRES A MASONRY SCREENING WALL, UH, AT THIS LOCATION.
AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW A BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS.
UH, SECTION EIGHT POINT 10.6 IN ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE UDC STATES THAT AN EXCEPTION, UH, MAY BE GRANTED BY CITY COUNCIL IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS EXIST.
ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE HOA PROVIDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE REPLACEMENT FENCE.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THE DECISION
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ON WHAT FENCE THEY WILL BUILD IS NOT UP TONIGHT.THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE HOA APPROVAL PROCESS.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS JUST THAT EXCEPTION, TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO PROCEED WITH A WOODEN FENCE, SHOULD THE HOA DETERMINE THAT THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, TONIGHT IS JUST THE EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THEM THE OPTION TO PURSUE THAT WOODEN FENCE.
UM, ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE A PROPOSAL OF WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, A BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCE.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, THEY WOULD KEEP THE EXISTING COLUMNS AND THEN THEY DID PROVIDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT INCLUDES, UH, BIANNUAL INSPECTION, ANNUAL CLEANING, UH, PERIODIC CLEAR CEILING OR STAINING AS NECESSARY, AND THEN REPAIRS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY A REPLACEMENT WHEN REPAIRS WOULD NO LONGER, UH, MAINTAIN THAT FENCE.
WE DID RECEIVE LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE 15 LETTERS OF SUPPORT REPRESENTING 14 UNIQUE LOCATIONS.
THOSE ARE SHOWN AS GREEN ON THE SCREEN.
WE DID RECEIVE, UH, FOUR LETTERS OF OPPOSITION REPRESENTING FOUR UNIQUE LOCATIONS, AND THOSE ARE SHOWN AS THE REDDISH ORANGE COLOR.
I DID PLACE TWO COPIES OF EACH, UH, SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION PACKET ON THE DAIS FOR YOU TO REVIEW.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? SO THEY'VE PRESENTED THE BOARD ON BOARD STAINED OXFORD BROWN.
UM, IS THAT IN CEDAR? I THINK, IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD, IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE OPTION WOULD BE OR WOULD IT BE WOOD AS THEIR OPTION? THIS WOULD BE THEIR OPTION.
SO IF, UM, IF WE WERE TO GIVE AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT SET A PRECEDENCE AND DOES NOT OVERWRITE ANYTHING ELSE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, RIGHT? IF ANOTHER COMMUNITY WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
THIS DOESN'T SET A PRECEDENCE AND, UH, ALLOWS IT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO DO, DOES IT? THAT IS CORRECT.
IF ANOTHER SUBDIVISION ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WANTED AN EXCEPTION TO THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO APPLY AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND THEY CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE SOME, SOME AMMUNITION TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT IF THIS WERE TO PASS.
THAT'S JUST ME MAKING A STATEMENT.
YEAH, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING TO THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT OUT LOUD.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? I HAVE ONE.
SAVANNAH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ACTUAL AESTHETICS OF THE LOOK WILL BE BASED ON THE OHOA.
SO WHERE DOES THE GOVERNANCE BEGIN AND STOP THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A MASONRY THERE, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THE HOA IS NOT VOTING ON THAT BEFORE THEY BRING IT OR TO SEE WHERE THEY STAND THERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT REVERSED, BUT I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS.
SO THE UDC REQUIRES A MASONRY WALL.
UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN ALTERNATIVE.
MY UNDERSTAND IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS DUE TO THE COST OF REPLACING THE EXISTING WALL THAT IS, IS FALLING DOWN IN PLACES.
COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN? MM-HMM
UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN SAVANNAH, OVER THE YEARS WERE THEY SERVICING THIS FENCE? THE MASON MASONRY FENCE THAT WAS THERE? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, AND MAY HAVE SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? THANK, THANK YOU, SAVANNAH.
COULD WE GO AHEAD AND, AND SPEAK WITH TO THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND, AND WOULD WOULD BE THE NEXT, THEY'LL BE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
SPEAKER CARDS? YES, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, BRIAN CROW WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
MAY I STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? UH, MY NAME IS BRIAN CROW.
MY ADDRESS IS 24 32 KINGSLEY DRIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
AND I, UH, SIT ON THE HLA BOARD AND I HAVE, I GUESS, 20 YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS WALL.
UH, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW ON THE BOARD, UH, I REPRESENT WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OUR HOMEOWNERS THROUGH CONVERSATION AND FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.
UH, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THE HOA, UH, CANNOT AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A MASONRY WALL.
AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THE, UH, THE INTEREST TO CONTRIBUTE SUBSTANTIALLY TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
WE'VE COMMITTED ALMOST, UH, $250,000 ALREADY IN 20 YEARS TO MAINTAINING THE WALL.
IT'S AS NOT AS THOUGH WE SPENT $0 A QUARTER OF A MILLION
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DOLLARS.AND THE WALL IN PHASE ONE, WHICH WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT, WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WITH A MANUFACTURING DEFECT THAT SHORTENED ITS LIFE SUBSTANTIALLY.
UH, PULTE THE BUILDER REFUSED TO ACCOMMODATE ANY DEMANDS WE MADE AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS FRUSTRATING.
BUT IT LEFT US WITH A, WITH A WALL THAT WAS CONTINUOUSLY CRUMBLING AND WOULD ULTIMATELY BE REPLACED AT HALF OF ITS LIFETIME AT 15 OR 20 YEARS.
AND THAT'S THE POINT WE ARE TODAY.
SO THERE'S HISTORY HERE AND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF EXPENSE, AND THE COMMUNITY JUST WILL NOT TOLERATE MORE EXPENSE TO FURTHER THE WALL AS A WHOLE.
AND THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, OF COURSE.
YOU IMAGINE A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS ALONG THE WALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WALL.
A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE WALL HAVE TO SHOULDER AN EQUAL COST TO MAINTAIN THE WALL.
AND THEY FAR OUTNUMBER THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE, THAT ACTUALLY RESIDE ALONG THE WALL.
AND TO MAINTAIN THE WALL AND EVENTUALLY REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER MASONRY STRUCTURE WOULD COST US NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR 175 HOMES.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST INFEASIBLE.
AND THAT'S THE POSITION WE'RE IN TODAY.
WE HAVE AN URGENT NEED TO ACT ON THE WALL, AS SOME OF YOU NOTED.
AND EVERY TIME I DRIVE PAST THE WALL, I GET EMOTIONAL BECAUSE IT LOOKS AWFUL.
WANT TO REPLACE IT AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE.
SO SOMEBODY ASKS CEDAR, CEDAR IS WHAT WE WILL DO IF WE DO THE WOOD WALL.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE, THE HIGHEST QUALITY WOOD WE CAN BUY, THAT'S NOT CLEAR BECAUSE CLEAR WOULD COST US SIX TIMES
WE'VE LOOKED AT NUMEROUS OPTIONS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT CONCRETE PANELS, WE'VE LOOKED AT RHINO ROCK, WHICH IS A, A, A MASONRY LIGHT STRUCTURE THAT IS COMMON IN GRAND PRAIRIE AMONG CITY, UH, PROPERTY.
IN FACT, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT BRICK.
AND TO REPLACE A BRICK WALL, A SPAN OF WALL WILL COST US $3,000 PER SPAN PER 10 FEET ROUGHLY.
THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO IT.
AND, UH, WITH A FENCE COSTS US ROUGHLY ONE SIXTH OF THAT.
UH, THE, THE FINANCES ARE DAUNTING.
AND I FRANKLY DON'T SEE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CAN FACE IF WE CAN'T REPLACE THE WALL WITH WOOD.
UH, IT WILL RES, IT WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER AS THE HOA GOES BANKRUPT, MAINTAINING THE BRICK WALL.
WELL, SIR, WE COMMEND YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND I TRULY UNDERSTAND BEING A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, AND I'M JUST SURPRISED PULTE DIDN'T TRY TO, I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WHEN YOU BUY A HOME, YOU'RE THERE FOR A LIFETIME OR AT LEAST 30, 40 YEARS.
AND THEN THEY, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO HONOR THAT.
OR MAYBE STIPULATIONS IN THE CONTRACT OR THEY WOULDN'T WORK WITH YOU.
THEY WOULDN'T WORK WITH US AFTER TWO YEARS.
AND THEY SAID, YOU CAN SUE US.
AND, UH, THE CONVERSATION WAS FRANK.
AND, UH, THEY SAID, IF YOU SUE US, WE HAVE DEEPER POCKETS FOR OUR ATTORNEYS THAN YOU HAVE, AND YOU WILL ULTIMATELY EXHAUST ALL YOUR FUNDS WELL BEFORE WE DO.
WELL, THAT'S VERY TROUBLING TO HEAR.
WELL, WE THOUGHT IT WAS RIDICULOUS, BUT WE, UH, WE HAD NO RESOURCES MM-HMM
THAT WERE SUFFICIENT TO PURSUE IT.
SO OUR, OUR PATH FROM ABOUT THE SIXTH YEAR OF OWNERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY WAS TO MAINTAIN THE WALL AS IT CRUMBLED.
SO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR HOA, YOU HAVE A MANAGEMENT GROUP, A MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT MANAGES YOUR HOA OR ARE YOU JUST SELF-MANAGING IT? UH, WE HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
WE HAVE AN AGENT COMPANY WORKING WITH US, AND THEY DID WHAT THEY COULD TO, TO, TO RECTIFY THIS WITH NO AVAIL, WITH TO NO AVAIL.
COMMISSIONER MADDEN, SO THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON YOUR HOAI TOO HAVE SERVED ON FOR 20 YEARS.
WELL, AND I KNOW IT'S THANKLESS.
YOU GET THOSE, YOU COULD ALL BE WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY TONIGHT AND I KNOW HOW THAT IS TOO.
UM, SO QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UH, WHERE DO YOU LIVE ALONG THE WALL? NO, YOU DON'T.
SO ARE ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I, I THINK I SAW A SUPPORT LETTER TO, MAYBE ALONG THE WALL.
WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT LETTERS, I'M SURE FROM ALONG THE WALL, AND I'M SURE WE HAVE OPPOSITION LETTERS.
IN CONVERSATION, THE HOMEOWNERS ALONG THE WALL.
UH, IF THEY WEREN'T AMBIVALENT, THEY WERE EAGER TO MAINTAIN THAT MASONRY STRUCTURE IN THEIR BACKYARD OR SIDE YARD.
AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION, UH, HOMEOWNERS WHO WERE ADAMANT, WHO DID NOT LIVE ALONG THE WALL WANTED THE CHEAPEST SOLUTION THEY COULD GET FOR THAT.
SOMETHING THAT WAS ATTRACTIVE.
SO WOOD WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
'CAUSE MY, MY SUBDIVISION ALSO FACES A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION.
UM, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO BUILD LIKE A, A, DOES YOUR GRADE BEAM, IS IT STILL INTACT ALONG THE WALL? I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, FROM COLUMN TO COLUMN, IS THERE A GRADE BEAM? SO ARE, UH, CONCRETE? IT'S A, IT'S A STRUCTURE
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THAT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.SO THE, THE COLUMNS SIT ON THEIR OWN FOUNDATION MM-HMM
AND THEY AREN'T PHYSICALLY TIED, SECURELY TIED TO THE WALL, TO THE BEAM.
SO THE CONCRETE BEAM IS ONE THING TO MAINTAIN YEAH.
WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR COLUMNS STANDING STRAIGHT UP AFTER 20 YEARS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AROUND, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES WHERE THE COLUMNS TEND TO WAVE AND, AND WANDER.
AND SOONER OR LATER, I'M SURE OURS WILL TOO.
WELL, AND I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST, AND THIS IS A THING THAT I MIGHT USE FROM MY SUBDIVISION TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER GRADE BEAM, MAYBE YOU CONTINUE, MAYBE YOU ADD A GRADE BEAM ALONG ALL THAT PERIMETER, AND THEN THEY CAN ADD, YOU CAN ADD A MASONRY WALL IN THEIR BACKYARD WHILE HAVING THE WOOD FENCE TO THE EXTERIOR.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
SO WE, WE ACTUALLY, IN THE, IN THE, THE PLAN, THE QUOTE FROM THE CONTRACTOR HAS SOMETHING CALLED A MO STRIP.
AND THE MO STRIP IS A HORIZONTAL CONCRETE, UH, STRIP THAT YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING ON TOP OF.
BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE, IT COULDN'T BE MASSIVE.
YOU COULDN'T BUILD A BRICK WALL ON TOP OF IT.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FORO, YOU'RE MR. CROW? YES, SIR.
I I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INSIDE THAT I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR NAME, SO I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO I GOTTA I GOTTA ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS YOU MAY NOT LIKE, OF COURSE.
UM, AND I, I WON'T TAKE OFFENSE.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU'VE SAID LIKE, THIS HAS TO BE DONE.
UM, BUT YOU GUYS KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE SAYING THE UDC DOESN'T MATTER.
WE WANT AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO TELL YOU.
BUT, AND I'M, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT COMES ACROSS, WELL HOW, HOW ELSE I'M HERE TO TELL YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS FEASIBLE.
BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER MADDEN SAID TO SAVANNAH, WHICH IS, IF WE GRANT THIS EXCEPTION THIS TIME, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOAS ALL OVER GRAND PRAIRIE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING UP ASKING FOR SIMILAR EXCEPTIONS.
AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THEM? I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH AND WHAT THEY'VE WEATHERED AND HOW PREPARED THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE TO SHOULDER THE EXPENSE OF A MASONRY STRUCTURE.
AND EVERY COMMUNITY WILL BE UNIQUE.
WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ACROSS DUNCAN PERRY FROM US AT KINGSLEY, WHICH HAS THIS, HAS HAD THE SAME PREDICAMENT, AND THEY HAVE A WOOD FENCE.
AND WE LOOKED AT, AT THEIR WOOD FENCE FOR QUITE A WHILE TO DECIDE, DO WE LIKE IT? IS THIS GONNA BE SATISFACTORY AS A COMMUNITY? AND, UH, MY PREFERENCE IS RHINO ROCK.
THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
WE DID A QUOTE, UH, FOR RHINO ROCK.
IT WAS ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE YEARS INSTALLED.
THAT'S, UH, ROUGHLY $5,500 A HOME.
IT REQUIRES A RESERVE FUND, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED, A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOME.
IT REQUIRES MORE HOA ASSESSMENT A YEAR, $150 MORE ROUGHLY A YEAR AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT OUR HOMEOWNERS WON'T APPROVE $150 INCREASE IN OUR ASSESSMENT.
SO TO GET THERE, WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH A RESERVE FUND.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT THAT MONEY WOULD PAY.
IN THE INTERIM TIME, WE HAVE TO FINANCE THE RESERVE FUND PROPERLY AND PLAN FOR IT PROPERLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO.
BUT OUR HOMEOWNERS AS A GROUP, I'M CERTAIN, WILL NOT APPROVE A $5,500 SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND A $1,000 ADDITION TO FUND THE RESERVE.
WELL THEN LET ME ASK YOU AT THEORETICAL QUESTION, GO BACK TO MY FIRST POINT.
IF THE, IF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE DID NOT HAVE A MECHANISM BY WHICH YOU COULD PETITION FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE UDC, THAT THERE WAS NO EXCEPTION PATH, WHAT WOULD YOU BE DOING? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO IT'S, IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND YOU WANT AN EXCEPTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE STOP OTHER HOAS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AND DO DUE DILIGENCE, DO THEIR BOOKS AND SEE WHETHER IT WAS DILIGENTLY MANAGED.
IT'S GONNA BE, I IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT YOU RAISED MICHELLE ABOUT WE GRANT ONE, WE GRANT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE NOT GRANTED FOR EVERYBODY.
WELL, WE AREN'T THE FIRST TO COME TO YOU.
IT'S THE FIRST I VOTED ON TO MY MEMORY, BUT MY MEMORY IS NOT PERFECT.
BUT YEAH, YOU MUST HAVE VOTED ON THE COMMUNITY FAIRWAY BEND ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, FROM DUNCAN PERRY.
AND THEY WERE JUST AS BOUND BY THE A DC, I BELIEVE.
SAVANNAH, DON'T YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORD? MAKE SURE THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SUBDIVISION WAS DEVELOPED YEARS BEFORE THIS SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE UDC KIND OF DRAWS A LINE IN 1998, SUBDIVISIONS, PLATTED AFTER 1998 HAVE TO HAVE A MASONRY WALL.
MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT SINCE THAT SUBDIVISION
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TO THE EAST WAS PLATTED PRIOR TO 1998, THAT REQUIREMENT WAS NOT IN PLACE AT THE TIME.I THINK THEY WERE 1994, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, DO YOU, HAVE YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO TO, TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION, LET ME, LET ME JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WHAT WE WOULD DO TO BE LAWFUL IS EXHAUST OUR PHONES AND MAINTAIN THE BRICK WALL UNTIL WE COULD NO LONGER DO THAT.
AND THEN THE HOA WOULD BE BANKRUPT.
AND BY, BY THE, BY THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, I ASSUME THE CITY PASSES EVENTUALLY TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER.
EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE IN SOME WAY TO MAINTAIN THAT WALL.
AND SOME WOULD BE LAWFUL AND SOME WOULDN'T.
YOU HAVE, YOU'D HAVE VISUAL VARIANCE, WHICH WOULD BE DISTRACTING.
AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING COULD BE UNIFORM.
AND, AND YOU ASKED A QUESTION.
I BELIEVE SOMEBODY DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, MAINTENANCE, PERIODIC STAIN STAINING AND CEILING.
BEST PRACTICE IS EVERY, EVERY TWO TO FIVE YEARS YOU STAIN OR SEAL.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO DO BOTH.
IN FACT, RARELY DO YOU DO BOTH.
SO, UH, BUT, UH, PERIODIC CLEAR CEILING OR STAINING, ADHERES TO THAT BEST PRACTICE OF DOING SOMETHING, ONE OF THE OTHER EVERY TWO TO FIVE YEARS.
JUST TO CLARIFY, IN YOUR MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT YOU SUBMITTED YES.
YOU SAID PERIODIC CLEAR SEALING OR STAINING, AND I AGREE IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER AS REQUIRED AS REQUIRED APPROXIMATELY EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS.
THERE'S A LOT OF LOOSEY GOOSEY IN THERE.
I WE CAN MAKE IT LESS LOOSEY GOOSEY
WELL, IF, IF IT, IF I'M NOT SURE I'M GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE IT, BUT IF I DID VOTE TO APPROVE IT, THAT WOULD BE IRONCLAD AS TO A PERIODIC, IT WOULD BE EITHER RESTRAINED OR SEALED.
SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THIS EXCEPTION AND THEN DO IT WHENEVER YOU GUYS DEEM APPROPRIATE.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO OUR CONTRACTOR TO DO THIS, AND WE'VE JUST STARTED THAT CONVERSATION, THEIR ADVICE IS THAT WE DO SOMETHING EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT THEIR ADVICE IS YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THE FIRST TWO YEARS, MAYBE NOT EVEN THE FIRST THREE YEARS.
SO TO HAVE A SCHEDULE OF AN EXPENSE THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY OR EVEN ADVISE BY THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK, WHO WE ARE PAYING, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO STATE IT, BUT WHAT WE CAN STATE IS THAT WE, AFTER, AFTER THREE YEARS, WE ADHERE TO A TWO YEAR SCHEDULE TO DO SOMETHING, WE CAN STATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO THIS POINT, THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS THAT.
COMMISSIONER MADDEN, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INS AND OUTS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE ROOM.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS EXPLORED CREATING OR APPLYING FOR A PIT? YES, WE HAVE.
THE DILEMMA WE HAVE, WE ARE TWO PHASES.
UHHUH,
AND THE LAST TIME WE LOCKED, LOOKED AT A PIT, WE COULDN'T PIT SEPARATELY.
AND ONE OF THE DILEMMAS WE HAVE IS THE TWO PHASES ARE IN, ARE ENCUMBERED BY DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AND RULES.
UH, EVEN WITH THE REGARD TO THE CITY CODE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THE DEVELOPMENT, THOSE CODES ARE DIFFERENT AND FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT IN SOME WAYS.
AND THESE TWO PHASES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS.
IN PHASE ONE, WE HAVE EIGHT ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.
SO, UH, AMENITIES SHARING, WE HAVE NO AMENITIES.
BUT EVEN SHARING THAT CLEAR SPACE, OUR PHASE TWO HOMEOWNERS CAN'T WALK THERE AND THEY WOULD JUST ASSUME NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH US.
SO THERE ARE STILL ISSUES WITH FORMING A PIT.
THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, WHEN I LAST SAID ASKED, THEY SAID, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 175 OR MORE HOMES AND WE HAVE 175 HOMES.
AND I WONDERED IF THAT WAS A CONVENIENT ANSWER,
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE TWO PHASES, AND THE SMALLEST PHASE WAS 65 HOMES.
AND THAT WAS TOO SMALL FOR A SEPARATE PIT WITH A CITY.
AND SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO BE A PIT MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT'S MY VISION FOR THE FUTURE PATH.
UH, EVEN IF WE WERE TO BE A PIT, THE TWO PHASES STILL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND NEEDS AND HOW YOU CONTINUE TO BE EQUITABLE WITH BOTH PHASES AS A PUZZLE.
AND SO, ARE THERE TWO HOAS OR? ONE.
SEEMS LIKE YOUR COVENANTS, YOU KNOW, YOUR BYLAWS, THAT IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE I, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M ON MY BOARD AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE ONE SET OF ONE COVENANT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD BEEN UPDATED, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE SET.
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COVENANT.AND THE, THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE COVENANT WAS TO ADD THE SECOND PHASE.
WELL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
YOU'RE IN A, CERTAINLY IN A TOUGH SITUATION.
I'VE BEEN A BOARD, YOU KNOW, PART OF A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND, AND, UM, CERTAINLY A DILEMMA TO PUT BACK THE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, UH, FUNDS BACK INTO THE RESIDENTS.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID THE HOA DO A SURVEY TO SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD SUPPORT? WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL SURVEYS.
WE'VE DONE SURVEYS OVER THE YEARS, UH, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF ASSESSMENT SUPPORT THERE IS FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DID THREE POLLS.
WE SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? THE SECOND POLL WAS, HERE'S THE MOST OPTIMISTIC CASE THAT HAS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
NOW WHAT DO YOU LIKE? AND IN NONE OF THOSE POLLS, AND WE ASKED THAT QUESTION TWICE BECAUSE WE WANTED MORE PARTICIPATION IN NONE OF THOSE POLLS, DID WE GET ANY, ANY SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY, UH, PREFERENCE.
AND LET ME ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
THERE, YOU SAID A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CONCRETE OF THE MASONRY WOULD BE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
A SIX OF THAT IS LESS ROUGHLY.
A SIX OF THAT IS LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, LESS THAN 200,000.
IS THERE, UM, ENOUGH FUNDS IN THE HOA TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT EITHER WAY? SO FOR A WOOD WALL, I HAVE BEEN DELIBERATE ON THE BOARD TO ACQUIRE AND ACCUMULATE CASH AS BEST WE CAN.
AND WE HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO DO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WOOD.
AND THE SECOND PHASE OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS THE WALL BUILT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT STILL HAS SOME LIFETIME IN FRONT OF IT, BUT TODAY WE HAVE CASH TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE WALL, THE WHOLE KID AND CABOODLE IF WE NEED TO.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT TONIGHT, BUT IF WE, IF WE WERE TO, WE HAVE THAT CASH.
VERY GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER MEDINA? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE WHAT'S THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS? RIGHT? I SENSE, YES.
EITHER WE GO WITH THE, THE, THE WOOD TO MAKE IT NICE AND UNIFORM.
UH, OR EVENTUALLY YOU LET, LET US FAIL.
YOU'LL JUST RUN OUT OF MONEY AND FILE BANKRUPTCY AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LEFT ON THEIR OWN.
NOW TO THAT, I, I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS THIS ONE COMMENT FROM AN OPPOSITION, UH, LETTER.
THIS, UH, GENTLEMAN, THIS HOMEOWNER'S NAME IS JOHNNY BARRON, LIVES AT 1604 BABBLING BROOK.
AND IN HERE HE WRITES THE DECISION BY THE HOA TO REPLACE THE BRICK WALL WITH A WOODEN FENCE CONCERNING, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THAT OUR HOA FEES WERE RECENTLY INCREASED SPECIFICALLY TO FUND BRICK AND WALL REPAIRS.
UH, REPLACING IT NOW WITH THE LESS DURABLE AND LESS EFFECTIVE STRUCTURE SIMPLY TO CUT COSTS, UNDERMINES THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THOSE INCREASED FEES.
UH, AND THE TRUST OF HOMEOWNERS.
SO I KNOW JOHNNY, UM, BUT I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR 20 YEARS,
UH, WE HAVE ROUGHLY SIX YEARS AGO, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, WE INCREASED OUR ASSESSMENT 30% AND THAT WAS DONE BY A VOTE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT EXCEPTION THOUGH, WE'VE INCREASED OUR ASSESSMENT ROUGHLY 10% EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THAT WAS SOLELY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE BRICK WALL AS WE WERE.
AND WE BARELY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT SOME YEARS.
AND WE HAVE LET THE BRICK WALL FALTER OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS JUST SO THAT WE COULD ACCUMULATE THE CASH SO THAT WE HAVE THE CASH FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO PROCEED AND PROCEED EXPEDITIOUSLY.
AND ANYBODY WHO'S SEEN THE WALL KNOWS THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING PRETTY QUICKLY, PRETTY EXPEDITIOUSLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAPMAN? YEAH, MR. CROW.
UM, THE PART THAT IS A LITTLE UNNERVING TO ME THAT MAKES ME SAD IS THAT YOU ARE ALMOST WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN AND GET WORSE, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK BY HOLDING CASH, INCREASING YOUR ASSESSMENTS FOR CLARITY, AND YOU HELP ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
SO YOU WOULD BUILD UP ENOUGH RESERVES SO YOU COULD GO TO AN AL ALTERNATIVE, CORRECT? WELL, YES.
IN A, IN A, IN A BROAD SENSE, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS SO THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY TO, TO DO ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL MM-HMM
BUT AT SOME POINT, I WOULD THINK, ESPECIALLY IN THE WORLD THAT WE'RE
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LIVING NOW, YOU KNOW, WAS IT CHEAPER SIX YEARS AGO? OH YES.SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT'S LIKE THERE WAS A CALAMITY THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER PIECE THAT I JUST WANNA MAKE PART OF THE RECORD IS, AS YOU'VE SAID, UM, TWO, THREE TO FIVE YEARS, MAINTENANCE ON A WOOD FENCE IS IMPORTANT TOO.
AND THERE STILL WILL THERE STILL BE RESERVES TO MAINTAIN THE WOOD FENCE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ELECT TO DO? YES.
BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WERE PAYING IN FULL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A WASH.
WELL, SO WE HAVE THE CASH TO PAY IN FULL FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT IS TO LET US PREPARE TO REPLACE ONLY ROUGHLY 40% OF THAT WALL QUICKLY SO WE HAVE CASH TO DO THE OTHER 60%.
THAT IN A SENSE, IS THE RESERVE TO HOLD FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND IN THE INTERIM TIME UNTIL WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT BRICK WALL IN PHASE TWO WITH SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM TIME, WE'RE STILL COLLECTING AND DEPOSITING TO OUR RESERVE ACCOUNT TO FUND, TO FUND THE FUTURE CASH NEED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
IT REALLY IS A DILEMMA, REALLY IS BECAUSE ALL THE HOMEOWNERS DESERVE A RIGHT TO, UH, LIVE IN PEACE.
AND THEY BOUGHT THAT HOME THERE ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO LIVE THERE.
AND EVEN THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST THE WALL THERE, THE, THE NEWER WALL, I MEAN, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S A HARD DECISION.
BUT OVERALL APPRAISAL VALUE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IF NOTHING GETS DONE, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE THE, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS, COME TO A HAPPY MEDIUM AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO FOR, FOR EVERYONE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, AND I THINK THE WOOD, A WOOD FENCE, A WOOD WALL TAKES US TO THAT POINT BECAUSE CERTAINLY THE ALTERNATIVE TODAY IS PITIFUL.
AND AS I SAID, I GET EMOTIONAL BECAUSE MM-HMM
I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO THIS WALL FOR 20 YEARS,
AND EVERY YEAR IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE MM-HMM
AND OUR HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH ME MM-HMM
UH, SOME AREN'T AS WILLING AS OTHERS, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY, WHEN WHEN I REALLY SAID, WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF MAINTENANCE TO DO, WE NEED TO RAISE OUR ASSESSMENTS 30% TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME TOGETHER AND SAID, OKAY.
BUT WE HAD TO DO FAR MORE THAN THAT.
FAR MORE THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PREPARED TO FACE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN'T GO FROM A $590 ASSESSMENT TO ADD $150 TO IT A YEAR.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD INDIVIDUALLY, HOME BY HOME ISN'T PREPARED TO COUGH UP 6,500 BUCKS.
AND WE HAVE TO, WE PROBABLY HAVE FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE WHOLE THING IS, IS IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT.
WHERE TODAY IT'S, IT'S SERVICEABLE.
UH, SO THIS PROCESS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
IN ONE FAIL SWOOP, IT'S GONNA HAVE, WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU COMING BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU AND WE KNOW HOW THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS FEEL.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S OPPOSITION AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S SUPPORT.
YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT HARD FOR US.
'CAUSE WE'RE LAY PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU WE'RE HOMEOWNERS TOO, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I TALK TO A HOMEOWNER WHO'S ON THE WALL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WALL HAS BEEN WITH THEM FOR 20 YEARS.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE ANOTHER WALL.
AND I, FOR A GOOD REASON AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ENTIRELY MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE BACKING UP AGAINST THE UNDEVELOPED LAND.
ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES IN FRONT OF US WAS TO DEVELOP WHAT WE COULD OF THAT UNDEVELOPED LAND TO SELL IT, TO HAVE IT DEVELOPED.
THOSE HOMEOWNERS BOUGHT THEIR HOMES SO THAT THEY COULD LOOK OVER THE TOP OF THE FENCE AND SEE TREES AND WILDLIFE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND IT'S A DILEMMA WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO THE PATH THAT GETS THE MOST BENEFIT FOR THE MOST MM-HMM
THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT I'M PROPOSING AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO DO TONIGHT.
WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMING AND GIVING US THE DETAILS BECAUSE THE DETAILS MATTER.
AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT AND BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE TIME.
SO YOU HAVE THE HISTORY, YOU KNOW.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A QUICK, UH, COMMENT.
I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS JUST TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THEIR FINAL DECISION.
THE HOMEOWNERS STILL HAVE TO CORRECT THE HOA PROCESS FOR WHATEVER THEY, THEY DO IS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, TO GRANT IT AN EXCEPTION THAT PUTS THOSE TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
AND WE DON'T GET TO SPEAK TO ANY OF
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THE ONES OPPOSING.UM, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE.
THE LETTERS ON THIS SIDE WE HAVE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE YEAH, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL THE LETTERS ON THIS SIDE.
WE HAVE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE.
I THINK WE HAVE MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
SO I'M HERE FOR A FOLLOW ON QUESTION IF NECESSARY.
I APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMISSION'S TIME HERE.
SPEAKER CARDS, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, JUANITA MARTINEZ, UH, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
I'M JUANITA MARTINEZ AT 1771 HIDDEN BROOK DRIVE.
I HAVE, I LIVE IN THE PHASE TWO.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS THEY NEVER DID MAINTAIN THE WALL.
THEY WERE WATERING AND THEY STOP.
SO IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN SOMETHING, IT'S GONNA COLLAPSE.
DID MY HUSBAND SPEAK? YES, SIR.
THEY, UM, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR ME? MY NAME IS JOHN REE AND I'M AT 1771.
IN PHASE TWO, WHICH THE WALL WAS BUILT A LOT BETTER THAN THEY, WHAT HE'S SAYING.
THEY LEFT THE STEEL OUT OF HIS SIDE, BUT OUR SIDE WAS GOOD.
BUT WHILE THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HOLD THE MONEY TO DO THE WOODEN FENCES, THEY QUIT WATERING.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOUR HOUSE, YOU DON'T WATER WITH YOUR FOUNDATION.
YOUR HOUSE IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO CRACK.
WE WENT TO THE MEETING AND WE ASKED THEM WHY AND THEY NEVER GOT ANSWERED.
AND UH, I FORGET THE MAN'S NAME, BUT HIS FIRST IS MIKE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO START WATERING AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, OUR WALLET IS, IS REALLY 75% GOOD.
BUT IF THEY DON'T START WATERING AND STUFF AND MAINTAINING IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SHAPE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE ON PHASE ONE.
WHEN YOU TURN OFF EGYPTIAN WAY ON THERE, IT, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT JUST, UH, I HATE TO SAY I LIVE OVER THERE, BUT, UH, I JUST THINKING FOR HER BECAUSE
THE SECOND TIME A CAR WENT THROUGH MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FLYING LIKE VO AND HE WENT INSIDE THE HOUSE IN THE KITCHEN.
AND THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS, AND THE OTHER THING IS THEY DO MEETINGS ONLINE.
WE'RE OLD FOLKS SOMETIMES WE CANNOT GET THROUGH.
WE TRY AND TRY AND, AND MY HUSBAND SAYS, THIS IS NOT FOR ME.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SCAPE OR SCOPE OR WHATEVER YOU USE RYAN, WHAT YOU, WHEN YOU DO IT ONLINE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU TAKE IT, WE KNOW IT.
THEY DO THIS AND WE DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.
UH, COMMISSIONER MADDEN I THINK HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO IF, IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'VE MAINTAINED, THEY HAVEN'T MAINTAINED, YOUR DUES ARE NOT ENOUGH TO COVER IT, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THE, THAT THE WALL CRUMBLE? OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THERE BE AN OPTION FOR AT LEAST A NICE LOOKING WOOD WALL? I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT IS JUST TO GIVE THE CHANCE.
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TWICE THAT SOMEBODY'S GONE THROUGH THE WALL.
WELL, AND I WONDER IF THAT'S NOT A TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT MAYBE IS YOU APPROACHED THE CITY, BUT I IMAGINE IT'S VERY IT'S MORE SCARY, I'M SURE.
UH, THE STREET COMES TO A DEAD END HERE AND THEN HERE AND THIS IS WHERE THE GENERAL MOTORS IS PARKING ALL THERE SUVS INSIDE.
AND THIS CAR COME THROUGH AND WENT THROUGH THE WALL, ENDED UP DOWN IN THE KITCHEN 'CAUSE IT DROPPED ABOUT 12 FOOT.
BUT, BUT WAS THERE, EXCUSE ME, I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT WAS THERE, SINCE THERE WAS HAPPENED TWICE, DID THE, UH, DID THEY COME UP WITH ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF BARRIERS TO PUT UP A SIGN UP OR ANYTHING THERE TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? ANYTHING? YES MA'AM.
IT SAYS 20 MILES PER HOUR AND THEY GOT ASSIGNED WITH THE AIR, THIS WIND THERE.
NO ANYTHING KNOWING ANYTHING THERE A BIG A ROCK.
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IT'S NOTI WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T, YOU NEED COME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THAT, RASHAD OR SAVANNAH ON THAT I CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND NOTE THAT CONCERN, THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE HAVING THE PROBLEM.
ONE 13 SEEMS, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE, UH, ONE 13 COMES AROUND AND IT'S AVENUE H SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS A BIT ON, BUT IT HAPPENED TWICE.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE INVOLVED AT SOME 0.3 TIMES.
AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S A CAUSE FOR CONCERN GOING FORWARD.
WHAT CAN WE DO PROACTIVELY TO ENSURE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN? THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE, THEY CAN BUILD THEIR FANS HOWEVER THEY WANNA BUILD IT.
BUT I'M IN PHASE TWO, SO THAT'S MY ONLY OPPOSITION.
AND AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THEY NEED TO WATER RIGHT YOUR POINTS ARE VERY, YOUR POINTS ARE VERY WELL TAKEN WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT WATERING.
AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE KEPT A LOG ON THAT WHEN THEY DID NOT WATER, TO MAKE THE CONSISTENCY AS TO WHEN THEY COME AND WHEN THEY DON'T COME.
BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER MADDEN SAID, AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE THE THE WALL IS SO DAMAGED, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO, TO BE, COME TO SOME HAPPY MEDIUM.
EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN, A COALITION BUILDING FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING.
SO ALL WE'RE DOING, ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS ADD AN OPTION JUST, JUST FOR FEASIBILITY.
NOT THAT IT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE WALL BEING BUILT, IT'S JUST FOR THE, ADDING THAT EXCEPTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UNLIKE, UH, BRIAN, THIS IS A GOOD LOOKING FENCE.
AND WE ORIGINALLY, WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US, THEY DIDN'T SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE CONCRETE COLUMN.
WE JUST THINKING WE GOING TO GET A, EXCUSE ME, A WOODEN FENCE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF METAL POLES THAT'S GONNA LEAN THERE, WHICH AWAY, BUT THIS LOOKS GOOD.
AND IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT, WE WOULD BE HAPPY.
THE MAIN THING IS, IS JUST, ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? ARE THEY JUST TALKING, WELL, TWO TO THREE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO PUT A LITTLE THIS OR THAT, OR IF THE BOARD'S GOING TO WRITE MM-HMM
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, LIKE YOU SAID, YEAH, YOU'VE HAD THREE SURVEYS BEING DONE, BUT AT, AT, AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND EVERYBODY GET TOGETHER AND, AND, AND REVISIT THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND WE THANK YOU.
DOES HE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR YOU.
OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? UH, NEXT WE HAVE WILLIAM ANDERSON, WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK, BUT WANTS TO RECORD HIS OPPOSITION.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE JENNIFER ANDERSON, WHO DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WISHES TO RECORD HER OPPOSITION.
UH, LASTLY, WE HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S PURCELL ANTONIO, UM, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
UH, IT ALSO SAYS, WISHES TO SPEAK IF NEEDED.
SO, SO WE HAVE NO SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ONE, WE HAVE THE ONE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? TIME OF DISCUSSION,
SO, I MEAN, DISCUSSION WISE, I MEAN, I, I'LL START THE DISCUSSION.
AND I, UM, I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, BECAUSE AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, IT'S IMPORTANT.
I'VE BEEN IN MY HOME FOR OVER 25 YEARS, AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT PLANNING ON MOVING.
SO I WOULD LIKE MY, MY PROPERTY MAINTAINED BEST AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH AN HOA.
SO, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER HOMERS ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.
THEY WANT TO, THEIRS IS IN GOOD SHAPE OR THEY WANNA MAINTAIN THAT.
SO, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE GROUP IS GONNA HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST, AT LEAST GIVE THEM THAT EXCEPTION OPTION JUST SO THEY CAN COME TO, I MEAN, SOME HAPPY MEDIUM THAT, THAT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING LIKE IT IS TODAY, YOU KNOW, MONEY IS TIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
SO I'M, I'M ON THE HOA OF, UH, AN ASSOCIATION THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD NOW, AND WE ARE USING OUR FUNDS WISELY.
WE ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY PROBABLY ABOUT $500 A YEAR TOTAL, MAYBE.
BUT WE ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO.
WATERING FOUNDATIONS, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK TOO, IF THERE ARE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, OUR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS ARE FALLING
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APART NOW AFTER 20 YEARS.AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE'RE USING OUR MONEY WISELY, YET THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO GO AROUND.
SO I'M KIND OF, I'M WITH YOU IN THE, LET'S GIVE THEM AN OPTION FOR THIS.
UM, AND OTHERWISE, I THINK THAT THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHIN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE ON OUR DEVELOPERS TO CREATE A POT THAT IT STAYS, UM, AND PLANS FOR FUTURE THINGS LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE IF YOU EVEN PLANNED, IF YOU FIGURED OUT HOW MANY HOMES WERE GONNA EVENTUALLY BE IN A SUBDIVISION AND THEN FIGURED OUT HOW MUCH, EVEN IF THEY INCREASED OVER THE YEARS, THE DUES THERE STILL PROBABLY WOULD NEVER BE ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN OVER THE YEARS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY REPLACE ALL THE THINGS IN A HOA THAT WILL FAIL.
SO EVERYONE IS SET UP FOR FAILURE UNLESS THEY'RE PART OF A PIT OR SOME MAGIC HAPPENS.
SO, COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
UM, LIKE MICHELLE MENTIONED, I ALSO CANNOT SEE, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS COMING UP WITH A 6,500 SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
UH, CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THIS WILL BE AN OPTION.
YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THEY STILL HAVE TO VOTE AND AGREE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CERTAINLY WOULD PREFER THE MASON, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF MY HOME WAS ACTUALLY MY BACKYARD FACING THAT, I WOULD PREFER THAT.
BUT, UH, CONSIDERING THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO HAVE A HOTSPOT OF FOLKS JUST DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT, THEN HAVE THE HOA GOING TO BACKGROUNDS.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT, UH, THIS EXCEPTION AS WELL.
JAMES, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? DO YOU, COMMISSIONER COLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? NO, I'M FINE.
I, COMMISSIONER LUCKY MADAM CHAIR.
DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY, UM, EIGHT ACRES OF ADDITIONAL LAND THAT THEY'RE, UM, PROPOSING TO SELL AT A FUTURE DATE? NO, THEY JUST SAID THAT IT'S THERE.
UH, THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAD CONSIDERED IT AT ONE TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO DECIDE.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AN EXCEPTION, UH, FROM THE UDC TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WOOD FENCES.
IT'S MORE FEASIBLE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, TO AFFORD IT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO THE MASONRY WALL, WHICH THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO DO FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM THIS EXCEPTION OR NOT.
COMMISSIONER MEDINA, I, I, EVIL.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU SHOULD, YOU TOP IN THE MIC,
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT A GREAT, UH, E EITHER WAY.
IT'S, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS IN, IN THIS CASE.
I, I THINK GIVING THE, THE FACTS THAT WE'VE, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US TODAY, I, I THINK WE, IN THE CONSCIENCE, WE HAVE GOOD CONSCIENCE.
I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS AS WELL.
I WILL TELL YOU, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE EIGHT ACRES, UM, THAT COMMISSIONER LUCKY VO MENTIONED, IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF ALLOCATION OR IF THAT IS A RESOURCE FINANCIALLY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT SOME KIND OF LUCRATIVE, UM, ATTRACTION FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND FIX ALL OF THIS FESSING WITH THAT AC EIGHT ACRES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PLAN, THAT'S NOT MY DECISION.
UM, I, I WANT SOMETHING I THINK THAT YOU GUYS CAN LIVE WITH OVERALL, BUT I GUESS THE OPPOSITION FEELING AS IF THEY'RE BEING, UM, HOODWINK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T PURCHASE IS A LITTLE DISTURBING.
THE ONLY CONCERN YOU BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER LUCKY AND CHAPMAN HAD IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THE, THE EIGHT ACRES.
THEY COULD USE THAT AS COLLATERAL TO, YOU KNOW, AS A, ON A LOAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WHO WANNA PUT I ASK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, PLEASE POINT OF ORDER THAT THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS JUST AN EXCEPTION TO THE UDC.
WELL, SIX AND A HALF ACRES IS UNDEVELOPED UNDEVELOPABLE.
UH, COMMISSIONER FEDCO, THIS IS YOUR AREA AND, UM, YOU, YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL OF OUR OPINIONS AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU SPEAK? WELL, FIRST THING I WANNA SAY, WHICH IS A REALLY BAD JOKE, IS I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS
UM, THE, THE SECOND THING IS, UM, JULIE, ON A SERIOUS QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE HOA GOES BANKRUPT? DOES IT, DOES THE HOA DISAPPEAR AND THEN COMMON AREAS GET MAINTAINED WILLY-NILLY OR WHAT HAPPENS?
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IT IT DEPENDS IN TERMS OF THEIR BANKRUPTCY AND HOW THEIR, THE HOA, UM, CERTIFICATE IS, HOW THEY WERE FORMED, WHAT IT SAYS, WHAT HAPPENS UPON DISSOLUTION, WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES GO.UM, MY, UH, WITHOUT KNOWING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS HHOA, WHAT THEIR, UM, CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION SAYS UPON DISSOLUTION, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE, UM, EXTERNAL FENCING AREAS OR WALLS, WHETHER THEY'RE FENCE OR WALLS, GOES BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I, I WISH I HAD NOT COME TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOOD SOLUTION HERE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER MADDEN MADE A GREAT POINT.
AND I JUST WANT, I'M, I'M READING THE ROOM THAT PEOPLE WANNA SUPPORT THIS.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY ON BOARD WITH IT.
AND IF WE ARE GONNA GO ON BOARD WITH IT, I THINK WE SHOULD TIGHTEN UP THE RESTRICTIONS.
BUT THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF MANY EXCEPTIONS THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU GRANT THIS ONE, YOU'RE GONNA BE GRANTING EVERYBODY ONE, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S THE WALL OR WHAT'S THE LIMITING FACTOR.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? ASK ONE QUESTION TO, UH, SAVANNAH AND RASHAD, HAVE WE EVER HAD THIS BEFORE? I, I CAN'T IMAGINE US NOT HAVING CONTEMPLATED THIS BEFORE.
THERE HAS BEEN ONE INSTANCE, UM, THAT I CAN THINK OF FOR A MUCH SMALLER SUBDIVISION NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, THEY CAME THROUGH, THEIR ZONING ACTUALLY REQUIRED THE MASONRY WALL.
THEY HAD TO AMEND THEIR ZONING, UH, TO ALLOW THEM TO DO A FENCE ALTERNATIVE.
AND, AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THIS, THESE ARE TICKING TIME BOMBS.
THESE DEVELOPERS PUT UP WALLS THAT ARE HA ARE MEANT TO HAVE A 50 YEAR LIFE.
AND LO AND BEHOLD, THEY HAVE A 24 YEAR, 25 YEAR REAL LIFE IN THE FIELD.
SO IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE KNOWING THAT THAT'S, THAT IS A REAL POSSIBILITY.
THE OTHER THING, WHICH COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN ALLUDED TO IS SOMEWHAT OF THE, THE MORAL HAZARD INCENTIVE THAT I, I DON'T WANNA SAY A A 'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THAT I, IF THE HOA PEOPLE IN GRAND PRAIRIE HAD PEOPLE LIKE MR. CROW, THEY WOULD BE VERY, HE, HE, HE'S DOING HIS, HIS ORGANIZATION A VERY GOOD SERVICE AND HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
BUT I I GOT THE SENSE THAT BY DELIBERATELY NOT DOING MAINTENANCE, YOU'RE ALMOST MAKING IT A FA OF COMP PLEA THAT WHEN YOU COME HERE, YOU'RE GONNA GRANT ME THE EXCEPTION.
BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, I ASKED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY FOR EXCEPTION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND THERE'S NO ANSWER.
YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THE UUD C MAY HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT, BUT UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN ARTICULATE WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE REASON BY WHICH WE DON'T GRANT A FUTURE HOA, AN EXCEPTION, THIS IS GONNA BE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING FOR EVERY H-O-A-D-C.
WELL, I HAVE A, I HAVE A, I HAVE A, A SOMETHING TO PUT ON THE TABLE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US ALL TO CONSIDER.
AND CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER PROPERTIES IN GRAND PRAIRIE, AND MOST OF US ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF COMMITTEE OR SOME KIND OF CONVERSATION OR SOMETHING COMMITTEE, OR A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE GO ABOUT WORKING WITH THESE, UH, THESE, UH, HOAS THESE OLDER COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR.
WE PAY TAXES JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY AND WE, UH, WE ARE AND INVITE NEW DEVELOPERS IN.
BUT MATT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE STILL, TO ME, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I ERR ON THE SIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXCEPTION.
THIS IS AN EXCEPTION, AND THIS IS THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
THE, THE MASONRY WALL IS, IS NOT EVEN, UH, IS ACHIEVABLE MADAM CHAIR.
WHAT IS THE LIMITING FACTOR FOR THE NEXT TIME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES TO THE, THE, THE WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT CASE BY CASE IN MY OPINION.
BECAUSE, SO THERE'S NO LIMITING FACTOR.
I I, I JUST, I THINK THAT WE WE'RE GOING UP THE WRONG WALL IF WE, IF WE, IF WE GO OTHERWISE, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING HERE, LIVING HERE 20, 30 YEARS, THEY DESERVE, UH, TO BE HEARD.
AND, UH, THE FOLKS, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER FOLKS THAT ON THE, THE, THE NEWER SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS.
SO IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING AND MAYBE WE NEED LEGISLATION, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I KNOW, BUT RIGHT NOW, MY, MY VOTE IS TO, TO, TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION COMMISSIONER MADDEN.
JOHN, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF FOR FUTURE REFERENCE WOULD BE FOR US TO ASK THEM TO BRING RECORDS BEFORE THEY'VE DONE THE MAINTENANCE FOR FUTURE, FOR FOR FUTURE CASES.
BUT YEAH, SO YOU'RE ASKING WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LINE, WHAT'S THE LIMITING PER, AND I, I STILL THINK I, I'M NOT GOOD AT LOOKING AT BOOKS, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET THE, THE COMMISSION'S GONNA BE IN THE THING OF LIKE, DID YOU DO THE RIGHT THING IN TERMS OF YOUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS AND ALL THAT STUFF? SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WAY ABOVE OUR HEAD.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE, WE, THAT'S WE'RE LAY PEOPLE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERTISE ON THAT STILL.
EVEN YOU BROUGHT THAT TO THE TABLE, RIGHT?
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NO, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THAT AND THE BOOKS.SO WE DON'T EVEN DO THAT FOR PIT ASSESSMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE GET THEIR DECISION AND COUNSEL MAKES THAT CHOICE WITH REGARD TO, THEY LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND MOVE ON.
I THINK YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND I THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO BE LOOKED AT AS SIMILAR TO A, HOW WE LOOK AT SUVS.
THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR EACH LOCATION, SPECIAL STIPULATIONS.
SO WE LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE AND THAT THAT'S, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER STIPULATING FACTORS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAINTAINED OR IF THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE FUNDS.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN WITH THE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THIS DECISION TO BE MADE CASE BY CASE.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER, AND MY MEMORY'S NOT PERFECT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER VOTING ON ANOTHER ONE OF THESE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
THERE WAS ONE AND, BUT I, MAYBE I MISSED THAT MEETING OR MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING IT.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH SAVANNAH THAT THERE WAS ONE.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T PERSONALLY REMEMBER IT.
AND THAT CASE WAS A SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE DUES WEREN'T GOING TO COVER THE RE RE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE, THAT LOCATION.
IT WAS A SMALL TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, IT WAS LOOKED AT, AT A CASE BY CASE STANCE AND UH, UH, BE HONEST, AESTHETICS, YOU HAVING A LAW ON THE ROADWAY.
SO, UM, I MEAN, WHAT WE NEED TO WRAP IT UP AND, AND VOTE ON THIS, BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST SAY, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PRIVATE CORPORATION.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA GET HOSED ON THIS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WHO HAD A STONE WALL AND NOW ARE GONNA GET A WOOD WALL.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE BECAUSE IN A PRIVATE CORPORATION, THE SHAREHOLDERS VOTE AND MAJORITY RULES MM-HMM
AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THIS COMMISSION'S, UH, THING TO EVALUATE YEAH.
THE, THE LADY THAT CAME AND SPOKE THAT HAS A STONEWALL NOW, BUT IT WILL BE A WOODEN WALL LATER AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON DUNCAN PERRY.
IF WE ARE GONNA GO WITH GRANTING THE MOTION, I WOULD SAY THAT WE GET RID OF THE SQUIGGLY LANGUAGE ABOUT THE CEILING OR STAINING, AND THAT AFTER THE THIRD YEAR, IT HAPPENS AT A TWO YEAR CADENCE REGARDLESS.
I AGREE BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T LIKE THE I AGREE.
THE, THE SLIPPERY LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAD ABOUT APPROXIMATELY AND AS REQUIRED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER ERKO, YOUR, YOUR MOTION.
AGAIN, I SHOULD HAVE MISSED THIS MEETING.
AND WE ASK THAT, UM, THE MAINTENANCE PLAN ON THE CONDITION, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE MAINTENANCE PLAN BE REVISED SUCH THAT DURING THE FIRST THREE YEARS, NO MANDATORY, UH, SEALING, RESEALING, OR STAINING OF THE FENCES ARE REQUIRED.
BUT AFTER THE THIRD YEAR, THEN IT BECOMES EVERY TWO YEARS IT'S REQUIRED.
CAN I GET A SECOND? I, I SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER FEDORKO TO, TO APPROVE THE EXCEPTION FOR ITEM FOUR AS ALL THAT HE SAID.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS EXCEPTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THAT BEING SAID, THAT BEING THE LAST CASE, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 7:44 PM THANK YOU.