* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. , [00:00:01] YOU READY? WELCOME [Planning & Zoning Briefing 04282025] TO THE STAFF BRIEFING OF THE CITY OF GRAND CURRY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE MEETING OF APRIL 28TH, 2025. I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE STAFF BRIEFING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL THE ORDER AT 6:00 PM THE PORTION OF THE MEETING IS THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS WHERE THE STAFF FREES THE COMMISSION AND PREVIEWS THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASES. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE BRIEFING. PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING TO BEGIN THE EARLIER THAN 6:30 PM I'LL NOT CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AND RECALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE. CHERYL SMITH. HERE. TY CHAPMAN. HERE. MICHELLE MADDEN? HERE. CHRISTOPHER OLE. FRANK GONZALEZ. HERE. JAMIE AND DAD? ARI? HERE. VICTOR MEDINA. HERE. JOHN KO. ANGELA. LUCKY MOM HERE. DID THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR JOHN ? ARE THERE ANY ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. UH, BEFORE WE GET READY, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL KNOW, BUT ANGELA LUCKY OUR CONDITIONING HER LOST HER FATHER. SO WE WOULD BE PRAYER FOR ANGELA. I'M SURPRISED SHE'S HERE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK SHE'LL BE COMING TONIGHT. BUT, UH, WE, UH, MY PRAYERS WILL COMMUNICATE YES. BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU LAY HEAD UP, JUST DO IT. YES. SO STAFF WITH ANYTHING WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT? YES. HELLO? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A SITE PLAN FOR, UM, MULTI-TENANT BUILDING THAT WILL BE AT THE MIDTOWN. IT WILL BE STP 25 0 4 0 0 1 2. SO THIS PROPOSAL IS LOCATED BETWEEN WHERE YOU HAVE CONSIDERED THE BARE, UH, THE BLACK BEAR DINER WITH THE MULTI-TENANT. WE HAVE RECENTLY SEEN FROM THE SAME DEVELOPER, A TWO MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. THIS IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER. THEIR NAME IS CALLED RISE UP VENTURES. THEY ARE PURCHASING THIS MIDDLE LOT AND PROPOSING TWO MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS. AGAIN, WE HAVE CONSIDERED THE PROPOSAL HERE IN THE SOUTH. HERE IN THE NORTH. THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, AS SHOWN THEY ARE MEETING THE, UH, DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT WITH EXCEPTION OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT BEING, UH, EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM 25 FEET BY ONE FEET AND BEING 26 FEET, THEY ARE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. THEY ARE PROVIDING THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT AND MEETING OUR MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT TO YOU THAT THEY DID PROVIDE AN OPEN SPACE HERE, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU THE ENLARGED VERSION. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING A PERGOLA WITH SOME SITTING AREAS. THEY'RE PROVIDING THE TABLES WITH MARKET UMBRELLAS. THEY'RE PROVIDING BENCHES AND SOME PLANTERS AND WATER FEATURES TO NICELY, UM, ENHANCE THE OPEN SPACE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SIT AND ENJOY. HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. AGAIN. THEY'RE, UH, REQUESTING A HEIGHT INCREASE BY ONE FOOT, BUT IN GENERAL YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY TRY TO PUT A LOT OF GATE GLAZING AT THE FRONT. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING MURAL ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WHEREVER THEY'RE POSSIBLE TO COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THE VARIANCES THEY'RE REQUESTING, WHICH I'LL COVER MORE IN DETAIL LATER. THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR APPENDIX F MENU ITEMS. CHECKLIST HERE ARE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTING. ONE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE MINIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHT OF 25 TO ALLOW 26 FEET AND TWO OVERALL WINDOW PERCENTAGES. THEY HAVE CALCULATED THE BY THE LENGTH AND REALIZED THAT THEY'RE SLIGHTLY SHORT OF THE 50% REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER, THEY DID PROVIDE A VERY ENHANCED ARCHITECTURAL OVERALL IN GENERAL, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR MURALS WHEREVER THEY HAVE BLANK WALLS. STEPH DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST. THIS CONCLUDES STEPH'S PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTION FOR STEPH AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONS ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO, UH, TRAFFIC. YES. THAT'S ALLOTMENT OVER THERE IN THAT AREA ALREADY IN THE, I GUESS THAT'S TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. YES, MA'AM. I, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE BRETT EXPLAIN EXPL ELABORATE MORE. BUT ONE THING THAT WE, UH, BRETT AND I TRY TO MAKE SURE WHEN THESE AREAS WERE COMING UP WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF DRIVE-THROUGHS, BUT WE ARE REALIZING THAT, UM, THIS TENANT AND THE PREVIOUS TENANT WE APPROVED, NEITHER OF HIM HAVE HAVE THRIVED THROUGH RESTAURANTS. SO I THINK IT'S STILL, UM, UNDER, UM, WHAT WE HAVE FORESEEN. SO, UM, BRAD, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? UM, WE DID A TIA BACK IN THOUSAND 19, UM, WHEN THIS SITE WAS FIRST BEING ENVISIONED, UM, THAT HAD A 10 YEAR HORIZON ON IT. SO ALL OF THE LAND USES THAT ARE IN THIS AND IN THAT STUDY ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT. UM, LIKE JUNE MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD DRIVE-THROUGHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MAY CHANGE AND GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT [00:05:01] TI AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT, UM, THIS IS ALL PRETTY IN LINE WITH IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WITH THE ALL WOULD KNOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS BUSY, WHEN CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR IT'S GONNA BE CONGESTED. AND THEN WHEN YOU START BRINGING IN MORE BUSINESS, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE MORE CONGESTED. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE TIME, WHAT THE, WHAT IT WAS WHEN YOU GET THE STUDY, BUT NOW I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S, UH, IT'S HIGHER NOW THE TRAFFIC. SO WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE SIGNALS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TIMED THE MOST EFFICIENTLY. THEY'RE TIMED FOR SAFETY, UH, PRIMARILY. SO, UM, WE'LL ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE TO SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE CONGESTION OUT THERE. UM, BUT THIS IS ALL WITHIN THE REALMS OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING. YEAH. BUT THAT BEING AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, EVERYTHING'S IS RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA, WHEN EVERYBODY STARTS COMING ALL AT ONCE, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING. YEAH. AND ONE THING I KIND OF FORGOT TO MENTION IS RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ANDRES AND THE, UH, BEST PRO. SO I FEEL LIKE THE RETAIL AND SIT DOWN AND ALL THESE ELEMENT WILL ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT ENTERTAINMENT ASPECTS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AREA. WE SHOULD SAY. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC, BUT I MEAN, IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE 'CAUSE OF ALL THE ENTERTAINMENT RELATED USES ALONG THIS AREA. SO WE PLAN FOR IT THE BEST WE CAN. UM, OF COURSE THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE NOW AND WE ADD PEOPLE TRAFFIC, SO, UM, BUT AS BRETT NOTED, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE DESIGNED TO BE EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE, KEEP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE ROADWAYS UP. SO HE'S THE EXPERT. WE, WE GO PROCESS, I GUESS. I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT MOVE IN THAT AREA, THE APARTMENTS AND WHATEVER THE NEW HOMEOWNER THEY ARE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO. SO I GUESS THAT'S IT IS WHAT IT'S, I DID FORGET TO MENTION THAT WE STAFF DOES HAVE ONE CONDITION, WHICH IS THAT THE, UH, 40 FOOT CLEAR SPACE IS PROVIDED BEFORE THE DUMPSTER. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING MINOR THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADJUST. UM, BUT THEY ARE SHOWING THIS, UM, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. OUR, UH, PHQ. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT DIMENSIONS WERE 40 FOOT CLEAR, WHICH WE'LL MAKE SURE TO CONFIRM THAT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION AND IF NECESSARY, WE WILL REFLECT THOSE CHANGES. YES, MA'AM. IS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN 1 61 OR THE BOTTOM? BOTTOM? THE BOTTOM OF MM-HMM. ONE 60. MM-HMM . YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OF COURSE. SORRY. THE NORTH ARROW. THAT'S THE NORTH ARROW. I MISSED IT. YEAH. SORRY. IT'S REALLY A LIGHT TO SEE. YEAH, I JUST MISSED, OF COURSE. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. MM-HMM . UH, ON THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, YES. 25, 26 FOOT MM-HMM . WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE SET SIZE RIGHT? YES. AND, UH, UH, ANOTHER THING IS WE USUALLY ALLOW SOME, UH, PROJECT PROJECTIONS. WE TRY TO TAKE WHAT IS THEIR BUILDING HEIGHT? AND THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE ONE FOOT OVER, I THINK WE RECENTLY APPROVED ANOTHER TWO FEET OVER AND OTHER YES. YEAH, 25 FEET, UM, IS THE MAXIMUM AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE KIND OF HAVE HARD TIME SQUEEZING IN THOSE BEAMS. , YEAH. MM-HMM . OF COURSE IT WAS CLOSER RESIDENTIAL, I THINK. SORRY. YES. IT'S NEXT APARTMENT. SO YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ANOTHER SITE PLAN FOR TWO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES, STP 25 0 3 0 0 0 9. SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THESE WERE APPROVED BY BACK IN OCTOBER, 2024 FOR TWO WAREHOUSES. WE APPROVE THE ZONING FOR PD 4 59. SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN JUST TO CLEA, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE CONCEPT ELEVATION WE APPROVED IN THE PD PROCESS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO WAREHOUSES. I DO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE FEW HOUSES OVER HERE, BUT THEY'RE PROVIDING EIGHT FOOT MAINTENANCE SCREENING WALL. AND THE TRUCK COURT IS LOCATED HERE, KIND OF FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE WERE OKAY WITH APPROVING THE PD. AND OF COURSE, THEY HAD SOME DRAINAGE CHALLENGES, WHICH MADE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROJECT REALLY DIFFICULT TO WORK OUT. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST MINIMUM 80 FEET AWAY FROM THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEIR TRUCK COURT IS NICELY SCREENED BY THE WING WALLS ON BOTH SIDES. THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT. THEY ARE MEETING OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT. THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR, UM, LANDSCAPING SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AS SHOWN HERE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS. THEY, UH, HAVE BEEN, UM, KIND OF UPDATED FOR THIS CASE TO PROVIDE MORE VIEWS. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE TRUCK COURT IS NICELY HIDDEN BY THESE, UH, WING WALLS OR PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL FUNCTION AS A SCREENING. THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES. SO WE DID HAVE SOME CONDITIONS. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION, FIRST, WE WANTED THE DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED DURING [00:10:01] THE CEP. THEY SUBMITTED SOMETHING IN MARCH, UM, 11TH. BUT, UM, ONE OF THOSE DRAINAGE STUDIES TAKES REALLY LONG TIME FOR THE ENGINEERING TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND ADDRESS. WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA DELAY THIS REVIEW ANY FURTHER. SO, CEP WILL, UM, CLARIFY THAT THE CP PROCESS ACTUALLY TAKES THREE, FOUR MONTHS, SO THEY CAN KNOCK THAT OUT. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME DRAINAGE AREAS, THOSE WERE IMPORTANT FACTORS. THE SECOND IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE APPROVED THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH CERTAIN DIMENSIONS OF THE RADI. I FOR SOME OF THESE, UM, DRIVEWAY OPENINGS, WE NOTICED THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE CHANGED. SO STAFF WORK WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT BACK AND FORTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONS PLAN APPROVED RADI. I WAS REFLECTED. WE REALIZED THAT THERE ARE STILL TWO. UM, SO THE RADIUS HERE SHOULD BE 50 FOOT. IT WAS REDUCED TO 35 FEET. WE WERE PLANNING ON WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S A, PEOPLE SHOW IT ON CONCEPT PLAN AND IT'S, THEY'RE DESIGNING OUT, THINGS GET CHANGED, BUT STAFF IS ALWAYS ON TOP OF IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER MADDEN . SO THAT'S A BIG AREA, AND OF COURSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE. THERE'S NO RETENTION IN THE POND THAT'S REQUIRED. SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, AND THEY BELIEVE THEIR STUDY SUBMITTED IN MARCH 11TH THAT SHOWS THAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM HAS NOT HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE, BUT, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU KIND OF REMEMBER, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DRAINAGE AREA IN THE MIDDLE MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE, I BELIEVE, STORM DRAIN GOING THROUGH THERE. SO DO, UM, SO DOES THIS DEVELOPER ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY? I BELIEVE SO. IT'S HAMILTON. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON OWNING IT OR WE'LL BE SELLING IT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER. SO WHEN THEY GET THEIR, UM, WHEN WILL THEY GET THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTICE PROCEED OR THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO START CONSTRUCTION? WILL IT BE BEFORE THE DRAINAGE IS LOOKED AT OR AFTER THE DRAINAGE IS LOOKED AT? TYPICALLY NOT UNTIL CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS ARE RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY, GOOD. A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY, WHAT WE CALL LIKE A RUBBING, JUST TO CLEAR SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, BUSHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ACTUAL, ANY PUBLIC IMPAIRMENT UNTIL THE CCPS BE RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I'M CONCERNED MM-HMM . I DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE ANY INVESTMENT. I REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE I DON'T, I DON'T, I MEAN, I KNOW ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S MM-HMM . IS THE DECISION HERE, BUT, UM, THE PLAN ISN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MENTIONED THE RADIUS IS THE WRONG THING. THE DRAINAGE HASN'T BEEN APPROVED OR REVIEWED, I SHOULD SAY. YEAH. UM, SO I THINK FOR THEM TO MAKE ANY MM-HMM . INVESTMENT IN LAND MM-HMM . MAJOR CHANGES TO THE DESIGN ARE REQUIRED. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT DURING THE P AND C PUBLIC HEARING. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN MM-HMM. WOULD GET REVIEWED PRIOR TO THEM. CORRECT. THEY, RIGHT. THEY WILL HAVE TO REVIEW, GET APPROVED WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CIVIL ENGINEERING HAS CONCERNS WITH. THAT'S KIND OF A PURPOSE OF SITE PLAN IS TO ADDRESS THEM A LITTLE BIT EARLY ON, JUST SO THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT MAJOR CHANGES COMING IN. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WISH TO PROCEED WITH THAT CONDITION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. MM-HMM . OKAY. IS IT UNUSUAL THAT WE WOULD SEE IT BEFORE IT FREQUENTLY? SO, NO, WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE THAT TO BE SUBMITTED WITH A SITE PLAN. AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED AND APPLICANT DIDN'T PROVIDE. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. VERY GOOD POINT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS, WAS READING THROUGH THE MATERIALS. WHAT THE CORNER CLIP? WHAT IS NEXT? OH, I HA, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. UM, I TALKED TO BRETT HUNTSMAN, DO YOU WANNA YEAH. YEAH. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BLATTING PROCESS, UM, WE REQUIRE A CORNER CLIP AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO ROADS. IT'S REALLY JUST THE PROPERTY BEING DEDICATED TO THE CITY. SO WE CAN PUT SIGNAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AT THAT CORNER THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE UDC. THE ONLY DRAWBACK OF THAT IS THEN WE BASE SETBACK LINES ON THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE APPLICANT AWARE THERE WEREN'T SHOWING IT ON THE SITE PLAN, JUST MAKING AWARE THAT WE WOULD NEED THAT DURING PLATTING AND THAT THEIR SITE PLAN MAY BE ADJUSTED, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT LINE CHANGE. UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT HERE. SO I THINK WE FELT COMFORTABLE GETTING RID OF THAT BECAUSE THAT A, OVER MY HEAD, I DIDN'T HAVE A IDEA WHAT IN THE WORLD THAT WAS. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ASKED THAT QUESTION. YES, THANK YOU. BUT, UM, I GUESS, UH, WE'RE JUST GETTING A LOT OF WAREHOUSES STILL. I, I, I'M JUST AMAZED THAT THERE'S, LIKE THE APARTMENTS, WE'RE GETTING SO MANY WAREHOUSES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE WE CAN BUILD BASED ON THE MARKET. UM, I REALLY CAN'T ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. UH, I [00:15:01] DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE, BUT THEY FIND THAT BASED ON THE WAY WE'RE THE RETAIL IS GOING NOWADAYS, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A DEMAND NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME PLACE TO, TO STORE ALL THIS AND DISTRIBUTE IT. WELL, I HOPE AND PRAY SO WITH THE TARIFF SITUATION, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND IF EVERYTHING SHUTS DOWN AND THERE'S NOTHING, I MEAN, THEN WHILE WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY BUILDINGS, MAYBE, SO YES, JULIE MENTIONED ALSO OUR LOCATION IS A PRIME LOCATION CENTRAL TO THE DFW. HMM. SO THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THAT AS WELL. WE'RE JUST GETTING READY FOR THIS. RIGHT. , ALL OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A FENCE EXCEPTION FOR HIDDEN CREEK, UH, SUBDIVISION. IT'S THEIR FIRST PHASE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING WALL IS SHOWN IN YELLOW, AND IT'S ALONG DUNCAN PERRY AND AVENUE H EAST. UH, SO THIS REQUEST IS A FENCE EXCEPTION TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT REQUIRES A MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG COLLECTORS ARE ARTERIALS. UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT EXCEPTION TO ALLOW A BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS. UM, SO OUR, UH, UDC DOES HAVE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW AN EXCEPTION FROM CITY COUNCIL UPON RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THERE IS, UM, THEY'VE GOTTA SHOW A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED FENCE, AND THEY'VE INCLUDED THAT IN THEIR SUBMITTAL. SO, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A RENDERING OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. IT'S A BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS. UH, THERE ARE MAINTENANCE PLANS OUTLINED, THINGS LIKE, UH, BIANNUAL INSPECTION, CLEANING, UH, PERIODIC CLEAR CEILING OR STAINING, AND THEN REPAIRS AS REQUIRED. AND ULTIMATELY, UH, WHEN, UH, IT CAN NO LONGER BE REPAIRED TO BE REPLACED. UM, SO I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THIS IS AGAIN, AN EXCEPTION TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND IF THIS IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, IT GIVES THEM THE OPTION, UM, TO PURSUE THIS TYPE OF FENCE. UM, SO THE, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THAT OPTION, THAT EXCEPTION. IT'S NOT, UM, TO, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT DECISION ON HOW THEY PROCEED WILL BE THE HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY. UM, SO I DID WANNA MENTION THAT WE DID RECEIVE SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WILL BE SHOWING UP TONIGHT. UM, AGAIN, THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO ALLOW THEM THAT EXCEPTION, GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO CONSTRUCT A WOODEN FENCE. I, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND SO, UH, THE MAP KIND OF SHOWS AGAIN, THE LOCATION. UH, THE YELLOW IS THE EXISTING FENCE. THIS IS JUST FOR THE FIRST PHASE. UH, WE DID RECEIVE 15 LETTERS, UH, OF SUPPORT. THOSE ARE SHOWN IN GREEN. AND THAT REPRESENTS 14 UNIQUE LOCATIONS. AND WE DID RECEIVE FOUR LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. AND THOSE REPRESENT FOUR UNIQUE LOCATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THAT ORANGE-ISH RED COLOR. UM, I DO HAVE TWO COPIES OF EACH SUBMITTAL, UH, PACKAGE THAT I CAN PASS OUT, UM, IN, IN THE CHAMBERS IN, IN CASE YOU'RE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE LETTERS SAID. YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM. SO, SAVANNAH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS. YES. UH, THE, THEY SENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY SENT LETTERS TO EVERYBODY IN THE HOA IN THAT, THAT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY PHASE ONE. YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND SOME IN PHASE TWO AS WELL. AND, AND, AND YES. SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME, BUT YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THE MEETING. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UH, MOST OF THE OPPOSITION IS ON PEOPLE THAT ARE CONTINUOUS TO THE NEWLY PROPOSED FENCE. THAT IS CORRECT. DID, DID THEY GIVE A REASON WHY THEY WANTED THIS OPTION? YES. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. UM, THE, THEY DID A, A SPECIAL AS ASSESSMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL $6,000 PER HOME, UM, TO REPLACE THAT MASONRY SCREENING WALL. UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND KIND OF, UH, CAN, CAN EXPLAIN IN GREATER DEPTH, UM, THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING THAT NUMBER AND HOW IMPACTFUL IT WOULD BE TO THE HOA. UM, SO WHAT IS IT CALLED? YOU GUYS KNOW THIS BETTER? IT'S, IT'S NOT A TRUE BRICK WALL. IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A FACTORY. IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE A PANELS. PANELS, YES. YEAH. WHAT IS THAT CALLED? UH, I AM BLANKING ON THE NAME. I CAN ONLY THINK OF A, UM, A CERTAIN COMPANY, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE BRIDGE BY BRICK ON SITE. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY JUST PUT A PANEL IN IT. THEY DID. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DID GET A QUOTE FOR THAT, THAT COST AND THAT WAS THE 6,000 PER HOME. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DEMO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TOO, I'M SURE. YES. YEAH. BUT I WAS THINKING THAT COULD THEY USE THE PREEXISTING POSTS THAT HAVE A, A SLOT ALREADY TO RECEIVE THOSE? [00:20:01] LIKE IN, IN MY SUPERVISION, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BIG LONG WALL BRICK WALL TOO. AND IT'S NOT THE POST NECESSARILY. IT HAS A GREAT BEAM. AND A GREAT BEAN IS EITHER LIFTING OR TURNING. AND SO IT'S ALL USELESS. SO MY ONLY CONCERN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE MEETING IS THEY, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ABOVE THE WALL, THEY BOUGHT THEIR ROOMS KIND OF IN RELIANCE THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A STONE FENCE THERE, NOT A WOODEN FENCE THERE. AND THAT WAS REALLY MY NEXT QUESTION IS, SO THIS MOSTLY THE, UM, OPPOSITION, IS IT, IS IT THE FACADE OR IS IT JUST THE SAFETY? WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE THE, THE, THE OPPOSITIONS MONEY? SO, SO THE REASONS SOME OF THE, UH, PEOPLE SUBMITTING OPPOSITION LETTERS INDICATED THAT WAS THAT THEY WANTED A MASONRY WALL. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A MASONRY WALL. IT HELPS KIND OF WITH THE NOISE OF BEING BACKED UP TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR. UM, SAFETY ISSUES LIKE THAT. YEAH. UM, ALSO, UH, KIND OF AESTHETICS PREFERRING THAT IT KIND OF, THE, UH, MASONRY WALL ENHANCES THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THINGS LIKE THAT. ONE LAST QUESTION. SAVANNA, YOU SAID PERIODIC CLEAR SEALING? YES. DOES THAT MEAN LIKE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME X NUMBER OF TIMES? OR IS IT JUST LOOSE TO BE PERIODIC AS NEEDED? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS BASED ON THEIR PLAN, THEY WOULD GO OUT A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, INSPECT A AREAS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED OR SEALED. UM, THE, THE OUTLINE IS, THE GOAL THERE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE REPLACEMENT FENCE IS MAINTAINED. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO, YEAH, PERIODIC IS LOOSE. I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD PUT MAKE, IF WE DID, IF WE DID APPROVE IT, PUT SOMETHING BINDING IN THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BINDING THAT COULD BE, BUT YOU COULD MAKE THAT CERTAINLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU CAN ADD IT AS A CONDITION, UM, REQUIRE THAT THEY DEFINE . YEAH. QUARTERLY BUYING. THAT'S GONNA GET INTERESTING. YEAH. THAT WAS A SHORT JACKET. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO GOING BACK TO THE ECONOMICS, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY HOMES THERE ARE IN THAT LINE THERE, BUT, UH, IF IT'S 6,000, I'M ASSUMING SIX TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOMES IT'S FOR THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION WOULD PAY INTO THAT. IT JUST SEEMS CRAZY TO ME. YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE 140 HOMES IN THERE. I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT PRICE BUFFED UP? THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR, I WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT. THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, WHEN YOU MENTIONED PRECAST, CONCRETE TILT WALL TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, THERE'S ONE BRAND CALLED FENCE CREEK A LOT OF PEOPLE USE. UM, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CERTAIN ON THE COST. I, IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN THERE, IT, THAT, THAT STONEWALL NOW IS IN BAD REPAIR. MM-HMM . BLOW BACK, WE DRIVE DOWN DUCK COMPARE. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THOSE HERE OF LATE LAST FEW YEARS. UM, BACK IN THE DAY, THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THE ACTUAL BRICK WALL. BRICK BY BRICK. THOSE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THAT WALL, DO YOU? NO, BUT, BUT I DID DRIVE BY TODAY AND THERE'S VISIBLE, UM, DISREPAIR. IT'S NOTICEABLE. IT'LL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. I GUESS THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S THE LAST CASE. UM, BEING ADJOURNED AT 6 23. WE'LL RECONVENE AT SIX 30. UNLESS EVERYBODY NEEDS A BREAK, I THINK WE CAN GO STRAIGHT THROUGH IF THAT'S OKAY FOR Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.