Aug 19, 2024 Zoning Board of Adjustment

WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT.

ANTHONY'S WALKING.

ANTHONY IS IN THE DOOR.

AND ANTHONY LANGSTON HERE.

AH, HERE AND RECORDED.

SO WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE OUR MEMBERS PRESENT AND WE CAN PROCEED WITH OUR AGENDA.

COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE SO YOU CAN BE HEARD AND, AND GO ON.

WELL, NOW, UH, YOU'VE GOT UNDER THE BRIEFING, THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO? COUNSELOR? SO THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS WAS JUST PUT ON THE BRIEFING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE ELECTING OFFICERS AT THE NEXT ZBA MEETING AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT THAT WOULD BE COMING TO YOU NEXT TIME.

JUST A HEADS UP.

I WON'T BE HERE IN SEPTEMBER.

WELL, I WANNA GO TO CYPRUS OR HAWAII RATHER THAN HERE, BUT YEAH, AT THIS, UH, WELL, WE'LL HAVE IT, BUT WE CAN, WITHOUT QUORUM BEING PRESENT, DISCUSS IF YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OR, YEAH, Y ARE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DISCUSS IT, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION, ACTION ON IT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT AS AN ACTION ITEM TODAY.

GOT IT.

NO PROBLEM.

WE'LL, WE'LL ROLL THROUGH IT.

UH, WE'RE NOW GONNA MOVE TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION OF CASES.

SALVADOR, ARE YOU READY? YES, CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR ONCE AGAIN AND EVERYONE WHO'S ATTENDED.

UM, SO I AM WITH STAFF AND, UH, TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING THE CASES.

THERE ARE EIGHT CASES ON THIS AGENDA AND, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THOSE.

SO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON YOUR AGENDA IS A PREVIOUSLY, UH, PRESENTED ITEM.

THIS IS EBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 25.

IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION LOCATED AT 1113 CALIFORNIA TRAIL.

THE PROPERTY IS ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT 81.

AND OF COURSE, THE RULE IS THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR TWO OFF STREET, UH, PARKING SPACES.

SO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL BE, UH, THAT OF LESS THAN, UH, TWO GARAGE PARKING SPACES.

AND THIS IS A PICTURE SHOWING, UH, THE ALREADY DONE, UH, GARAGE CONVERSION.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING UNIT WAS REMOVED.

THIS IS A MORE UPDATED PICTURE.

AND SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

WAS THIS THE ONE WHERE THE SUN HAD DRIVEN THROUGH THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS? SO SINCE THEY WERE PUTTING IT BACK UP, THEY WENT AHEAD? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONCRETE THING RIGHT THERE.

I THINK SO.

I BELIEVE DON'T THAT'S THE CASE WE HEARD.

I THINK THEY, HE BUMPED INTO THE DOOR AND, BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAD, THEY HAD A WINDOW UNIT THAT EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE MADE SOME EFFORTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE, UH, 42 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT AND THREE WERE RETURNED, UH, IN OPPOSITION.

NOW I DO HAVE TO MENTION, SO BECAUSE THIS CASE WAS TABLED AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, THESE NUMBERS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OLD NOTICE THAT WE SENT OUT.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE THREE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION, THEY WERE FROM THE LAST NOTICE.

SO, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, IF ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THE AC UNIT, WELL, DO WE RESEND OUT NOTICES OR WE JUST BASING IT ON THE FIRST CASE? IF WE TABLED AT THE MEETING, THEN WE DO NOT RESEND OUT THE NOTICE BECAUSE THE MEETING IS THE NOTICE.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY FOLLOW UP LETTERS SINCE THE TABLING? WE HAVE NOT.

UH, THE POST ARE FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE MM-HMM .

THAT'S ALL I WANNA KNOW.

SO IN, OH, EXCUSE ME.

SO THIS,

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THAT'S CORRECT.

NEW NOTICE? YES.

YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY, AND IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE, UH, ZBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 25 STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT.

AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, REGARDING THIS CASE.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AM I RIGHT? QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? OKAY.

SO THERE'S NO NEWS SENT OUT, NO NEW NOTICE SET OUT? CORRECT.

AND SO THE THREE THAT WERE ON THE TABLE OR A REJECTION STILL ARE STILL ON THE TABLE AS REJECTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THEY'RE STILL LOGGING THE RECORD AS OPPOSITION? YES.

IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

IT LOOKS REALLY NICE TO ME WITHOUT THE WINDOW UNIT THERE.

I THINK THEY MADE A REAL EFFORT.

IT'S, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

BIG, BIG, BIG JOB.

JOB.

THEY HAVE REMOVED THE AC UNIT.

AND UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND SHE WAS REALLY OPEN ABOUT THAT.

SO SHE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT, WORKING WITH IT, OKAY.

GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EXCUSE ME ON THIS CASE.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.

MOVING ON TO MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS EBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 26.

THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION.

OH, I APOLOGIES.

THAT'S A, IT'S A WRONG TITLE ACTUALLY.

THIS IS A, UH, REQUEST FOR A PATIO SETBACK, UH, VARIANCE.

AND I'LL GET THAT CORRECTED FOR THE ACTUAL HERE.

SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR, UH, A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 69 15 SEASCAPE DRIVE.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 49.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE VARIANCE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS FOR THE REQUIRED REAR SETBACK FOR TWO PATIOS, UM, WHICH IS 20 FEET DUE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE TO BE REDUCED DOWN TO EIGHT FEET.

AND I WILL SHOW ON SCREEN NOW A SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, UH, THERE ARE TWO COVERED PATIOS.

ONE BEING ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY, UH, OR SORRY, THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND ONE BEING DETACHED.

UH, THIS STRUCTURE IS IN EXCESS OF 10 FEET AS A RESULT.

UM, THAT MEANS THAT IT MUST ABIDE BY THE, UH, GENERAL ZONING, UH, SETBACK OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOT MEETING THAT SETBACK.

SO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DO WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THIS, THESE STRUCTURES WERE, UH, CONSTRUCTED TO THIS POINT WITHOUT ANY PERMITS.

UM, THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AWARE OF THE PROCESS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET PERMITS AND WAS NOT AWARE OF REQUESTING OR NEEDING A VARIANCE TO MEET THE SETBACK.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE MAIN PATIO, THE LARGER PATIO THAT IS DETACHED.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, ATTACHED PATIO.

AND THE PURPOSE IS FOR AN OUTDOOR LOUNGE AREA AS WELL AS AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN SLASH GRILL AREA.

SO, SO THE STAFF'S OBJECTION IS THAT THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED OR EXPLAIN TO ME WHILE I'M LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES, YOU HAD AN EXISTING MM-HMM .

PATIO THERE ON THE LEFT.

THEY'RE BUILDING AN, A LARGE STRUCTURE OFF TO THE RIGHT.

NO, NO, NO.

IT'S TOO HIGH, TOO LOW TO NOT BE, NEITHER ONE OF THESE WERE EXISTING.

AND SO THIS PATIO HERE, THE LARGER ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS TOO CLOSE TO THIS, UH, REAR PROPERTY LINE.

UH, DUE TO THE HEIGHT.

ANY TIME THAT, UH, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS AN EXCEEDING OF 10 FEET, UH, THEN THEY MUST, THE STRUCTURE MUST ABIDE BY THE GENERAL ZONING SETBACKS.

ALRIGHT, CONTINUE.

SO IN, IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE, UM, CBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 26 51, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED, UH, OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS AN HOA, UH, I DO WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE DID NOTIFY THE HOA OF THE REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED, UH, HOA APPROVAL FOR THIS.

AND, UM, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT.

AND WHAT IS THE VARIANCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR FROM THAT REAR YARD SETBACK? SINCE, RIGHT, SO IT'S OVER 10 FEET WHEN YES, THE MINIMUM IS 20 AND THEY'RE REQUESTING EIGHT FEET.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN BILLED TO ALREADY.

SEE, I WOULD WONDER IF I NOTICED THEY HAVE AN APPROPRIATELY PITCHED ROOF ON THAT.

AND NOW IN MY PROPERTIES, THEY, WE'VE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD TO DO A CERTAIN THING.

I WONDER IF TEN'S KIND OF AN ANTIQUATED STANDARD AT THIS POINT.

'CAUSE I CAN'T FIT UNDER ANYTHING THAT'S , RIGHT? 10 THAT SHORT.

YEAH, HE GOES, OKAY, MR. BAKER, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, ON THE REAR PROPERTY SETBACK, BECAUSE IT'S 10 FOOT NOW, IF, IF IT'S EIGHT FOOT OR WHATEVER IS IT CAN BE LOWER.

TO BE, UH, UP TO THREE FEET AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT LIKE AN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING? WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING, SO IT COULD BE THREE FOOT ON THE EDGE? YES.

LIKE HOW MUCH LOWER CAN IT BE? OR DOES IT HAVE

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AND IT COULD GO UP TO EIGHT FOOT.

IT CAN GO UP TO 10 FEET.

AND IT'S ALSO, SO IF THEY LOWERED IT BY, BY PUTTING A ONE FOOT DROP ON THAT EDGE.

SO I DID, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

SO IF THEY LOWERED IT BY ONE FOOT ON THAT EDGE, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

I DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT INITIALLY ABOUT GETTING THIS HIGH, GENERALLY REDUCED, BUT THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO HIS CONTRACTOR ABOUT THAT, AND THE CONTRACTOR TOLD HIM THAT IT WOULD BE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH CONSTRUCTED.

SO THE APPLICANT WAS NOT INTERESTED IN REDUCING THE HEIGHT TO MEET, UH, WHERE HE COULD BEAT THE SETBACK.

THAT HOUSE LOOKS TO BE A TWO STORY HOUSE.

IS THAT OR AM I JUST LOOKING AT AN OPTICAL BIT? NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

NO, THAT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE, TWO STORY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE, YES.

YOU'RE ALL LOOKING OVER THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IT'S RUNNING BACK THERE.

I JUST, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT A 10 FOOT, 12 FOOT NO, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS IF JUST THAT ONE EDGE, IF HE DROPPED IT ONE INCH SOMEHOW ON THAT VERY EDGE, HE'D BE GOOD.

OR WE'LL GIVE HIM THE VARIANCE AND HE'S GOOD.

ANYWAY.

SO ANYWAY, WHATEVER.

WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

I GOT A QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

MS. LANGSTON, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT PATIO ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE OR IS IT, SO THERE IS A PORTION THAT IS ATTACHED.

IT.

IT IS.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS DETACHED.

IT'S JUST HARD TO SEE FROM THAT ANGLE.

BUT IT HAS LIKE A OVERHANG.

SO THE PIECE HERE THAT'S HANGING OUT ON THE, ON THE SETBACK, IS THAT DETACHED? SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? THE PIECE THAT'S HANGING OUT TOO FAR, IS THAT DETACHED? YES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS, SO RIGHT HERE, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN SEE ON MY SCREEN WHERE I'M HIGHLIGHTING WITH THE MOUSE, UH, THIS UHHUH LARGER PIECE IS THE ONE THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF THAT SETBACK.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S ATTACHED PART.

SO IF YOU HAD A ONE INCH SLOPE, SO IF HE ACTUALLY DROPPED ALL THAT BY ONE INCH ON, I MEAN, I MEAN ONE INCH ON THE EDGE, HALF INCH IN THE MIDDLE, LEFT, THE OTHER ONE, LIKE IT IS, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT THE PEAK.

THAT'S NOT THE ONE INCH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM THEY'RE NOT ASKING ABOUT.

IT'S THE OVERALL STRUCTURE HEIGHT.

OH, OKAY.

THE OVERALL STRUCTURE HEIGHT.

WELL, THAT, THAT'S AT, BUT THAT'S AT THE 20 FOOT POINT.

THAT'S AT THE 20 FOOT POINT, NOT AT THE EIGHT FOOT POINT.

SO THE RULE IS 10 FEET, ACTUALLY 10 FEET FROM MAXIMUM, OR SORRY, OVERALL HEIGHT, RIGHT AT 20 FOOT.

DOES, ARE YOU MENTIONING THE SETBACK OR YEAH.

SO WE CAN, IF WE CHOOSE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE, WE WAVE THE EIGHT FEET AND IT'S, IT'S THERE AND IT'S SET.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ONE INCHES TO IT.

DO WE HAVE MORE QUESTION? DEBBIE? YOU'RE OVER THERE VERY PATIENTLY.

UH, I CURTIS, WHY, WHY, UH, SOMEBODY TURNED IN? I'M, YES.

NO.

UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT DID ALSO CODE ENFORCE, INVOLVED, ENFORCE.

WE GOT A PHONE CALL OBVIOUSLY OR SOMETHING AND WASN'T GOT, YEAH.

SO SOMEBODY TURNED IN.

IS THERE A, YOU A, I GUESS IS A PERSON THAT'S OBJECTING TO IT GONNA BE HERE? I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WILL BE HERE, BUT, UM, THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS IS IN THE PACKET.

IN THE PACKET.

SO WHAT'S THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THIS THING? UM, GOOD QUESTION.

WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY STAFF REPORT, BUT, UH, 11.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

HOW BIG? 11 FEET AND SIX INCHES.

UH, AND JUST TO WRAP THIS ONE UP, MORE QUESTIONS.

AM I RIGHT ON THIS? ANYBODY? EVERYBODY.

UM, STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT THE VERY, THE STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE, TO THE REQUEST.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.

CATCH THE THIRD ONE.

UH, NOTIFY THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY EXISTING HOA, WHICH IS NO LONGER THERE, UH, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE REQUESTED WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

THIS IS ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 28.

THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 41 41 WINSLOW DRIVE.

AND THE PROPERTY IS ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT 50.

SO THIS IS A CASE WHERE, AGAIN, THE WORK WAS ALREADY DONE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE, UH, CURRENT GARAGE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, AGAIN, WAS INVOLVED.

UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

SO IN REGARDS, 46 TO THIS CASE, 46 NOTICES WERE SINCE HELD ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED OPPOSED.

AND THERE'S NOT A HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A PIT, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND WE DID,

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SO THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.

QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT ON THIS ONE.

MR. BAKER, WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH THIS ONE? UM, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS.

THEY PUT UP NICER DOORS, BUT WHAT'D THEY GET IN TROUBLE FOR? WELL, ANYTIME THAT YOU DO ANY WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT OR ANY SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THE BOARD.

OKAY, THEN YOU, THEY JUST DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE'S ALWAYS ONE NEIGHBOR THAT'S GONNA, OKAY, SO THERE'S NO OTHER GARAGE CONVERSION? SORRY.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE ARE NO OTHER GARAGE CONVERSIONS WITHIN THE 300, UH, FOOT BUFFER THAT WE HAVE FOR GARAGE CONVERSIONS.

BUT THEY DO MEET THE STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT.

AND STAFF AGAIN, DOESN'T THE AREA, JUST THE THREE, BUT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, IT'S WITHIN THE 300 FOOT BUFFER THAT WE LOOK FOR.

SAME.

GO AHEAD, PULL YOUR MIC TO YOU IF YOU WOULD.

YOU'RE MUCH QUIETER THAN I'M, NO, I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT Y'ALL ACTUALLY LOOKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

NOT JUST THE 300 FOOT BUFFER, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH.

WE DO LOOK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHAT IS MORE PRESSING OR THE, THE MORE PERTINENT ISSUE IS IF THERE'S NOT WITH ONE WITHIN 300 FEET, BECAUSE THAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, UH, IN ADDITION TO HAVING TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

IF YOU, IF WE CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THE CASE BECAUSE OF EITHER LACK OF REQUIREMENT, AND THAT'S WHEN THE CASE COMES TO THE BOARD, AND THIS CASE, THERE WAS NOT ONE WITHIN 300 FEET.

SO ESSENTIALLY, NOW, BARRY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S GONNA BE A PRECEDENT ON EVERY CASE THAT COMES UP HERE JUST ABOUT, WELL, THEORETICALLY, IN, IN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IS THE 300 FEET'S KIND OF NARROW YES.

I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S HAD, YOU DON'T HAVE TWO HOUSES WITHIN 300 FEET OF MY PROPERTY.

SO IF YOU'RE USING THAT AS A CRITERIA OF THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGING OR TRANSFORMING, I HONESTLY THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT, 'CAUSE IT'S MUCH CLEANER WHEN THEY CAN DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON THIS.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.

ALTHOUGH, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THAT'S WHY WE EXIST SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE THIS KIND OF STUFF.

IF STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT, IF IT LOOKS CLEAN AND NICE AS A WHOLE, AND I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE TO THIS CASE, BUT SOMETIMES THE CRITERIA OF, SO YEAH, WE SHOULDN'T PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THE 300 FEET OR TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THAT.

'CAUSE WHEN YOU REALLY GET A, GET A TAPE MEASURE AND SEE HOW CLOSE, HOW FAR YOU RUN OUTTA THAT PRETTY QUICK AT THE END OF THE OH, I AGREE.

I AGREE.

BUT THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT THAT MAKES US SETTING A LOT OF PRECEDENTS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY BE NEEDING TO SET, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY'S NOT TAKING OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, BUILDING PERMITS, BUILDING AND THEN OH, WELL, SO 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA TELL HIS NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET, OH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

JUST TAKE OUT A PERMIT.

YOU KNOW, OR DON'T TAKE OUT A PERMIT BUILD AND THEN GO ON BECAUSE, AND THEY'LL APPROVE THAT.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE YEAH.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DOING IT OUTSIDE OF THE, THE RULES.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE CITY COUNCIL OF GRAND PRAIRIE DECIDES TO AMEND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT'S THAT BODY THAT HAS TO DO IT, THEN YEAH, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE BACKING CLEANUP ON THIS.

AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HANDLING THINGS.

MR. CHAIR, I, OH, SORRY.

THE OTHER PRECEDENTS HERE.

APART FROM THE FACT THAT HE'S DONE WITHOUT PERMISSION, UHHUH AND THEN DURING THIS CONVERSION, IS THE, UH, OPPOSITION RELATED TO ANY OF THESE TWO FACTORS? SORRY, I MISSED THOSE TWO FACTORS.

WHAT WERE THEY AGAIN? DID IT, DID IT WITHOUT THE PERMITS? AND THEN YOU GOT AN OPPOSITION LETTER? IS THE OPPOSITION LETTER IN THE PACKET? YES, IT IS.

SO WE CAN EACH READ THE OPPOSITION LETTER AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT NEIGHBOR'S GOING FOR.

'CAUSE YEAH, I, I, THE PACKET, PAGE 41 PACKET, SHE'S LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET.

GO LOOK IT UP ON YOUR PHONES.

IF ANY OF YOU NEED A COPY, I'M SURE WE CAN ASK SOMEBODY TO GIVE US A COPY OF THAT.

WE CAN PASS DOWN THE LINE WHEN WE GET TO THIS CASE DURING AN ACTUAL OPEN BOARD MEETING.

I CAN PROVIDE BOTH.

UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU CAN READ AND IT'S A, I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER A CASE WHERE SOMEBODY UP, YOU HAD A NEIGHBOR OPPOSED AND THEY WERE GONNA OPPOSE ANYTHING THIS GUY DID.

JUST NEIGHBORS NOT GETTING ALONG.

AND I DON'T, FOR ME, I DON'T LET THAT ALWAYS WEIGH.

I DO LISTEN WHEN STAFF HAS AN OBJECTION OR I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE EVERYTHING AND WE CAN TAKE THE SUMMER OFF.

BUT MR. CHAIR, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

I THINK JUNE AND, YES, GO AHEAD.

I, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AFTER THE BRIEFING TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY NEARBY GARAGE CONVERSIONS THAT SHOW UP ON OUR DATA.

SO WE WILL TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, LOOK INTO THAT DURING THE RECESS AND TRY TO GET THAT ADDED ON OUR, OKAY.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD YES.

MS. ROGERS, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS UNREASONABLE TO ASK.

I KNOW IT'S EXTRA WORK ON Y'ALL'S PART MM-HMM .

BUT

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AND LET'S SAY YOU'RE IN A VERY, UH, MANICURED VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MM-HMM.

AND WE ONLY SEE THAT ONE LITTLE SNAPSHOT AREA.

AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE P****D BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED A GARAGE CONVERSION.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

SURE.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STAFF TURNOVER OVER THE YEARS MM-HMM .

WELL, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN ALL OF THIS MM-HMM .

BUT, UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE, SO IT GAVE US A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

AND YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANYONE CLOSE BY THAT SHOWS UP.

OBVIOUSLY WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE ILLEGALLY, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

GOTCHA.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY, THEY QUIT WORKING ON, I GUESS 'CAUSE THEY GOT, BUT IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE DOORS TOO.

I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T GO UP AND DOWN, BUT IT, THERE'S NO WINDOWS OR ANYTHING UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA FINISH IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE DOOR THOUGH, BUT WHATEVER.

OH, IF MY IT, IT DOES LOOK A GARAGE.

I MEAN IT, THEY SELL GARAGE DOORS LOOK GOOD.

LIKE IT SAY THAT DOESN'T GO UP AND DOWN.

WIFE, WHO'S TO SAY THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE DOOR GATE.

IT COSTS MORE THAN MY CAR, BUT I MEAN, WHATEVER.

SO ANYWAY.

AND THAT IS WHY THE RE HERE FOR ALL NINE OF YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF HAMMER OUT THE STUFF.

AND SO WE DON'T TRIP OVER OURSELVES.

THEY'RE LEGITIMATE.

THEY, THEY HAVE THE QUESTIONS, BUT I UNDERSTAND MS. ROGERS VERY GOOD POINT OF, YEAH, SOMETIMES WE, IT COMES BEFORE US INSTEAD OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL BECAUSE THE CURRENT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REALLY HAS A SMALL SCOPE.

AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED OFFLINE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRECEDENT SETTING AND I, I TOTALLY GET IT, BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S WHY THIS COMMITTEE EXISTS IS 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO ADMINISTRATIVELY FIX IT OUTSIDE OF THE 300 FEET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE ON 28 OR CAN WE MOVE ON TO 33? I LOOK RIGHT.

I LOOK LEFT.

MOVE ON SALVADOR.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 3 3.

THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION.

THIS CASE WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AT THE LAST ZBA MEETING IN REGARDS TO PROPERTY 31 55 PONDS EDGE TRAIL ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 1 27.

AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT BEING THAT THERE'S TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO ONE LEGALLY CONVERTED GARAGE, UH, WITHIN 300 FEET.

THIS PROPERTY DID NOT MEET A LADDER REQUIREMENT.

SO ON SCREEN YOU'LL SEE A PROPOSED SITE PLAN OF THE GARAGE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE WANTING TO CONVERT THAT INTO A BEDROOM.

AND THIS IS THE CURRENT GARAGE AS IT STANDS NOW.

SO IN REGARDS TO THIS, UH, CASE, THE ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 0 3 3, UH, 28 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS AN HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, LIKE I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE DID WIN A, UH, HEAD AND MENTION THAT WE DID NOTIFY THE HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS CASE WOULD BE PRESENTED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS WELL AS THIS ONE.

AND, UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, STATS IS NOT OBJECTED.

NO, NO LETTERS FOR OR ON OPPOSITION.

SO THAT'S CORRECT MR. CHAIR, THAT'S FIRST ONE TONIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? MY RIGHT.

UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 0 3 1.

THIS IS A VARIANCE FOR MINIMUM LAW AREA FOR TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 24 0 4 AND 24 0 8.

WE ROBERTS STREET.

THE PROPERTY IS RECENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND THE VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE AREA PER UNIT ALLOWED WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT FROM 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT TO 3000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DUPLEX ON EACH PROPERTY.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WHICH WILL BE IDENTICAL ON BOTH PROPERTIES.

UM, SO THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS WITHIN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.

OKAY? AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE VACANT LAND AS IT STANDS.

SO IN REGARDS TO EBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 0 3 1 42, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO OR RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA WITHIN NIG WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND STAB DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST.

QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT ON THIS ONE.

WHAT IS THE SIDE? YOUR GREAT QUESTION.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

WASN'T IT SIX

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FEET? YES.

SIX FEET, THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU, JIM.

WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE TO GET A LAWNMOWER, BUT NOT A YOU'RE RIDING LAWNMOWER THAT EATS PHONES.

IT DOES, IT COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE FENCE, THE DISTANCES ALL AROUND IT? YES, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS WERE MET AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT OF COURSE IS THAT WAS NOT MET WAS THE, UH, MINIMUM LOT AREA.

PER JUST THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT.

UH, AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT ANY, ANY OTHER THING ON THIS OR WE'LL ROLL RIGHT ALONG TO NUMBER 34.

ITEM SEVEN, I BELIEVE.

MOVING ON, ZBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 3 4 IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION AND MINIMUM SITE SETBACK FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1925 NORTHWEST DALLAS STREET.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY FOUR RESIDENTIAL AND THE REQUEST AGAIN BEING, UH, A CONVERSION OF A GARAGE INTO A LIVING SPACE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK FOR PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THAT BEING THE MINIMUM SIX FEET AND THE REQUESTED THREE FEET.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UH, ON THIS CASE.

UH, THEY HAVE, UH, COME THROUGH PERMITS PROPERLY AND ARE TRYING TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THEIR CURRENT EXISTING HOME.

BY DOING SO, THEY'RE WANTING TO CONVERT, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURES, EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UH, THREE OF THOSE IN ADDITION TO AN ACTUAL ADDITION OF THE HOME.

SO, UH, A LOT GOING ON ON THIS SITE HERE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, AND I'LL USE MY MOUSE HERE TO POINT, UH, THIS ONE BEING SEVEN IS THE ACTUAL, UH, ADDITION.

THIS IS ALL NEW HERE.

THESE OTHER STRUCTURES ARE EXISTING STRUCTURES, THIS, UH, STRUCTURE HERE BEING THE GARAGE, THE EXISTING GARAGE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, UH, BY CONVERTING THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES INTO AN ADDITION OF THE HOME, THEY ARE NOW EXCEEDING THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OKAY.

BY THREE FEET.

SO, UH, THAT LEADS US TO, NOW THESE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SENT.

SO IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE, ZBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 0 3 4 40 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA AND STAFF CANNOT TO SUPPORT, CANNOT SUPPORT, UH, CBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 0 3 4 AS REQUESTED.

UH, STAFF EVALUATIONS IS THAT THE PROPOSED VARIANCE MAY INJURE THE APPROPRIATE USE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE WILL ONLY BE THREE FEET FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE.

AS A RESULT OF THE SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE, THE APPLICANTS WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY A MULTIPLE LITANY OF LI OF REGULATION UPGRADES TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES TO ENSURE FIRE SAFETY.

AND I CAN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT.

HOW ABOUT QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES, MS. COPE? UH, SO CLARIFICATION, THE RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE PAGE, THE CORRECT PAGE, PAGE 58 ON THE PACKET.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UH, 'CAUSE ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT.

RIGHT? UH, AND THEN IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THE APPLICANT MUST ABIDE BY THE FOLLOWING.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST READ OR THAT WAS DIFFERENT.

SO THE STAFF, EVALUAT STAFF, EXCUSE ME, STAFF EVALUATION IS THE REASONING BEHIND WHY WE CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST.

THE, ANY CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ALLOWED BY THIS VARIANCE IS A CONDITION THAT WE PUT ON ALL VARIANCES.

AND, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL GO AND GET THE PROPER PERMITS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

IF, IF I MAY, I MEAN BASICALLY STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT IT FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF EVALUATION, BUT WE STILL TAKE A VOTE AND IF THEY GET SEVEN VOTES, THE AFFIRMATIVE, THEY CAN GET THE VARIANCE.

BUT STAFF STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT IF WE, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, MAKES THAT PARAGRAPH PART OF THE MOTION, OR AT LEAST AS STAFF CONDITIONS APPLY, WHICH COVERS IT THAT WAY.

IF WE SHOULD VOTE SEVEN AND GET MM-HMM .

GET THE VARIANCE, I STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

OR CLAIM.

ALRIGHT, NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, NUMBER 39.

PROPERTY LOCATED AT, UH, 41 48 NORWAY, NORWAY LANE.

MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ZBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 0 3 9.

THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION FOR A

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THIS PROPERTY IS PLAN IS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT ONE 40.

AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT BEING THE 300 FOOT BUFFER AND TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES OF WHICH THE 300 FOOT BUFFER WAS NOT MET ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE CONVERSION.

UM, AND THIS IS THE EXISTING HOME, SO NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS GARAGE CONVERSION.

THERE IS NO CODE PENDING CODE CASES IN TERMS OF THAT, UH, REQUEST.

50 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA REGARDING ZBA 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN DASH 0 3 9 AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST.

QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT.

ROLLING RIGHT ALONG.

TAKE US NUMBER NINE, ITEM 40.

MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, ZBA 24 DASH OH EIGHT DASH 0 4 0.

THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT EIGHT 13 SOUTH.

ETLE WISE COURTS, THE PROPERTY BEING ZONED SINGLE FAMILY THREE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ONCE MORE, THE PROPERTY MUST MEET, UH, TWO REQUIREMENTS, ONE BEING WITHIN 300 FEET OF ILLEGALLY CONVERTED GARAGE AND TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.

UH, THIS PROPERTY NOT MEETING THE FORMER.

SO THIS IS A RUDIMENTARY SIDE PLAN OF THE REQUEST, AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING GARAGE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.

SO IN REGARDS TO ZBA 24 DASH ZERO EIGHT DASH 0 0 4, 0 25, NOTICES WERE UNTIL ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST.

QUESTIONS.

AM I RIGHT? QUESTIONS LEFT.

THANK YOU, SALVADOR.

OF GRAND PRAIRIE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS MEETING OF AUGUST 19TH, 2024.

WE NOW ADJOURN OUR BRIEFING.

AND WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? ARE WE OKAY TO FOREGO A COMFORT BREAK AND JUST ROLL ON THROUGH THIS SINCE WE GOT EIGHT CASES? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO STRAIGHT FROM, WE HAVE ADJOURNED OUR BRIEFING AND WE WILL NOW START OUR REGULAR MEETING WITH THIS.

WELCOME TO THE CITY

[Call to Order]

I'M BARRY SANDERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

THIS MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:10 PM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS USUALLY MEETS THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.

ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.

NO OFFICIAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VARIANCES, EXCEPTIONS AND APPEALS AS PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 1 1 0.009 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

THE CONCURRING VOTE OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS NECESSARY TO DECIDE IN FAVOR OF AN APPLICANT ON ANY MATTER ON WHICH THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION.

I'LL STRESS THAT AGAIN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE NINE OF US UP HERE TO GET YOUR VARIANCE OR GET WHAT YOUR APPLICATION IS FOR EXCEPTION, YOU NEED 7, 6 3 DOESN'T WIN.

FIVE FOUR DOESN'T WIN.

SO YOU NEED SEVEN VOTES.

YOU HAVE NINE.

SO I I LIKE A FULL BOARD.

I LIKE US.

ROLLING FORWARD SO WE'LL, WE WILL PROCEED.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA UNDER PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M NOW GONNA CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF QUORUM.

AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, BARRY SANDIS.

AND IN THE REGULAR MEETING.

ANNA, WELCOME FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, ZBA, UH, DEBBIE ACHE HERE, UH, TIMOTHY OPPO.

HERE.

ANTHONY LANGSTON.

HERE.

MELINDA ROGERS HERE, AND CJ RAMIREZ HERE.

AND CJ, SAME TO YOU.

WELCOME BACK TO THE ZBA OF FUN AND EXCITEMENT.

WE'LL BE QUICK AND GET YOU OUTTA HERE.

AND IN THE POOL, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS, WE HAVE A FULL BOARD, AND WE ARE READY TO PROCEED WITH OUR AGENDA.

NOW, MR. BAKER, IF YOU'LL GIVE US AN INVOCATION.

ADDITIONAL TIME ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH IS ME.

DEAR FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE TOWN WE LIVE IN AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR US.

LORD BLESS US TONIGHT.

KEEP US SAFE AND, UH, HELP US TO BE FAIR TO THE CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE.

WE GOTTA SIGNATURE NAME, AMEN.

AMEN.

IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.

THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.

APPLICANTS HAVE 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT.

THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME NERVOUS.

ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD BACK UP HERE IN THE BACK, UH, THE STAFF WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU.

FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD.

WILL GET FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK WITH

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SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND ADDRESS RIGHT AT THE TOP.

GIMME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SO THAT WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORDING AND IF NECESSARY, WHO YOU REPRESENT.

STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM.

AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.

OUR FIRST

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ACTION ITEM OF THE NIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF JULY 15TH, 2024.

IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE MIN MINUTES? ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE MINUTES? IF NOT, I WILL NOW ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 24TH, 2024 MEETING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE JULY 15TH, 2024 MEETING MEETING MINUTES.

UH, SECOND JULY 24TH.

I THINK IT'S JULY 15TH.

15TH.

IT'S 15TH.

OKAY, COUNSELOR.

IT'S JUST TRIPPING ME ALL UP HERE.

PUTTING A 24TH IN THERE.

WE HAVE A 24TH AND A SECOND.

UH, UH, A MOTION BY MR. BAKER, A SECOND BY MS. SIER AND MR. EPO BOTH EXCITED.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

THE AGENDA IS ZBA 2 4 0 5 0 0 2 5.

MOTION IS APPROVED.

NINE TO ZERO PASSES, WHICH TAKES US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE EIGHT CASES FULL NIGHT TONIGHT.

FIRST ITEM ON

[2. ZBA-24-05-0025 (Council District 6) Special exception for a garage conversion, located at 1113 California Trl., legally described as Lot 6, Block YY, Trailwood Addition No.5, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Planned Development-81]

ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.

STEPH, YOU'LL REPRESENT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA STARE AT ME TILL I CALL YOU UP HERE, AREN'T YOU, ? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

YOU USED TO RUN UP THERE.

UH, OKAY.

LET ME JUST GET BACK HERE TO THE BEGINNING AND I WE'LL GET STARTED.

JUST WALKING WHILE WE'RE DOING THE INVOCATION, HURRY UP TO THE PODIUM.

UM, STARTING OFF WITH ZBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 0 25, UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION, UM, FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1113 CALIFORNIA TRAIL.

AND SO THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY YOU MENTIONED OR PRESENTED AT THE LAST, UH, ZBA MEETING.

UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS NOT MEETING ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS A 300 FOOT BUFFER.

THEY DO HAVE AMPLE OFF STREET PARKING, HOWEVER, AND AS WE UH MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION WITHIN THAT NOTICE.

UH, ONE OF THEM BEING THAT SOME NEIGHBORS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE AC UNIT.

WELL, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE UPDATED, UH, GARAGE CONVERSION.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE AC UNITS AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON SITES OR ON THE PICTURE THERE, THAT'S, UH, THE CLEAR CASE.

UM, THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.

AND IN REGARDS TO ZBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 2 5 42, NOTICES WORSENED OUT.

THREE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, THREE RETURN OPPOSED.

AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA, AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THAT THIS NOTICE WAS, UH, A PREVIOUSLY SENT NOTICE, UM, AND THE TABLING OF THE ITEM, UH, WAS CONSIDERED THE NOTICE FOR THIS MEETING.

OKAY? AND SO THOSE OPPOSITIONS, UH, WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS NOTICE, AND SO STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA A 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 0 2 5 AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTION TO MY RIGHT FOR STAFF.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY HARD COPIES OF THE OBJECTION LETTERS? I, AS I RECALL FROM A MONTH AGO, ONE OF 'EM SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, WHICH THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF, IT LOOKS LIKE.

CORRECT? UH, AS I RECALL, THE STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT AT THIS POINT.

THE STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE, TO THE REQUEST.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

UH, PAULITA NUNEZ, YOU IN THE ROOM? COME ON DOWN.

PERHAPS YOU REMEMBER THIS PROCESS.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT ALL'S CHANGED.

I SEE WE GOT A LITTLE BLUE SCOOTER OUT THERE IN FRONT.

IS THAT SO YOUR SON DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE WALL AGAIN OR? YES.

START WITH YOUR NAME HERE.

HONOR PAULITA NUNEZ.

1113 CALIFORNIA TRAIL, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.

OUTSTANDING.

TELL ME WHAT CHANGES WE'VE MADE.

WE, WE NOTICED SOMETHING'S MISSING.

WE TOOK THE AC C OUT.

OUTSTANDING.

ANY, ANY OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW FOR OUR CONSIDERATION? OBVIOUSLY WE'RE BACK HERE TO GET IT CLEANED UP.

NO UH, AND QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? TO MY RIGHT.

MR. APO.

AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND LET US VOTE.

WAS THERE, ARE YOU WERE ADVISED AT THAT TIME IF YOU COULD CLOSE, UH, GAPS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE THREE THAT OPPOSED? ARE THEY, HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? HAVE YOU RELATED WITH THEM? OH, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE NEIGHBORS ARE.

DO THEY STILL OPPOSITE? NO, SHE HASN'T SPOKEN TO 'EM.

I DON'T KNOW.

AND, AND WHEN WE GET TO THE OPPOSITION BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR.

AND AGAIN, SO THEY'RE HERE, WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM 'EM.

BUT

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IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

IT'S HARDER FOR HIM TO SMASH STUFF.

THAT LITTLE TINY MOTOR BLUE SCOOTER IN THERE.

WELL, HE STILL HAS THE TRUCK.

HE JUST PARKED IT.

, HE'S STILL, HE PARKS IT ON THE SIDE.

MS. NUNEZ, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN TONIGHT.

AND THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DISMISS, OKAY? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 4 0 5 0 0 2 5? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 4 0 5 0 0 2 5? THAT'S YOUR ANSWER.

UH, ANY DI, UH, LET'S SEE.

I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH OH 25.

SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER AND A SECOND FROM MS. COCA.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

TAKES US TO OUR NEXT CASE.

THE MOTION IS APPROVED.

NINE TO ZERO.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

IT JUST

[3. ZBA-24-05-0026 (Council District 6) Variance to reduce the minimum rear setback for covered patios permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 6915 Seascape Dr., legally described as Lot 4, Block N, Coast At Grand Peninsula Phase 3, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned Planned Development-249]

LOOK AT YOU TRYING TO SCURRY UP THERE FASTER.

THAT'S AWESOME.

UH, MOVING ON TO 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH ZERO ZERO OH, EXCUSE ME.

UH, 0 0 2 6.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA START TIMING.

YEAH, I, I I'VE GOT THE STOPWATCH GOING RIGHT HERE.

THIS WILL BE FUN ALL NIGHT.

GLUE IT AS FAST AS I CAN.

SO 69 15 SEA CAKE DRIVE PLAN TO, UH, THIS IS ZONE PD 2 4 9.

UH, SO THIS IS FOR TWO REAR PATIOS, UH, IN THE REAR YARD.

AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHTS, UH, OF ONE OF THE PATIOS, UH, IT IS EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM REAR SETBACK, UM, AS SEEN ON SCREEN THAT LARGER PATIO.

UM, SO THAT MINIMUM, UH, REQUIRED SETBACK IS 20 FEET AND THE APPLICANT HAS EIGHT FEET.

NOW, AS I MENTIONED DURING THE, UH, BRIEFING, THIS WAS BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AWARE OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST PROCESS.

UM, AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, SORRY, UH, THESE ARE TWO IMAGES OF THE PATIOS, UH, IN QUESTION.

AND SO IN REGARDS TO ZBA 24 DASH OH FIVE DASH 0 2 6, UH, 51 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS AN HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED DURING THE BRIEFING, UH, THE APPLICANT DID SEEK HOA APPROVAL BEFORE COMING TO THE BOARD AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO ATTAIN THAT.

UM, SO IN REGARDS TO THIS REQUEST, ACT HAS NOT OBJECT HAS REQUESTED, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS, THE STAFF TO MY RIGHT.

THANK YOU TAB.

THANK YOU ALL.

APPLICANT I HAVE HERE IS MOHAMED ABDULLAH.

IS THAT CORRECT? IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN TO THE MI MICROPHONE, YOU WATCH MS. NUNEZ DO THIS.

SO SHE GAVE GOOD ROLE MODEL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

UH, MOHAMAD ABDULLAH 69 15 SEASCAPE DRIVE, GRANDBERRY, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 4.

YEAH, JUST, AND WE BUILT THIS THING, BUT WE ARE JUST DIDN'T GET A PERMIT AND WE DIDN'T, IT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE FENCE FOR YES, AS BIG AS IT'S, I HAD A PERMIT BEFORE IN 2020, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT BECAUSE OF COVID OR WHATEVER, WE STOPPED DOING THE STUFF.

UH, AFTER THAT I JUST DECIDED, DECIDED TO START THE PROJECT.

THAT WAS LIKE, UH, FOUR MONTHS AGO.

UH, WE DID SOME OF THE VACATION IN IT AND WE MISCALCULATED THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THEY, THE COLUMN HAS TO BE ABOUT LIKE EIGHT.

WE MADE IT NINE AND THEN AFTER THE SLOPE.

SO THE TOTAL, THE, YEAH, ONCE YOU FIGURE SLOPE, THE OVERALL TO WAS ABOUT LIKE, UH, LIKE 11 WHEN ONE FEET MORE THAN WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

UH, I TRIED TO, IT WAS OUR MISTAKE BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO ASKED HIM JUST TO RAISE IT UP TO LOOK LIKE MORE, WHATEVER MM-HMM .

UH, UH, NOW I ASK HIM JUST TO, TO GET IT BACK TO 10 FEET AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

THAT'S GONNA COST ME SO MUCH BECAUSE HE HAS TO RAISE IT UP WITH SOME KIND OF SPECIAL JACKS AND THEN HE HAS TO CUT THE, THE LEAKS AND PUT IT BACK.

THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER PROJECT.

SO I WISH IF WE CAN WISH, WE COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT YOU GOT A CHOICE.

YOU EITHER, I DUNNO, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WITH THIS MAN TO HAVE HIM GET OUTTA SUPER JACK OR YES, IT WAS A MISTAKE.

I KNOW.

GET A VARIANCE AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOU, BUT YOU CHECK WITH HOMEOWNERS, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, YOU KNOW? I KNOW.

I CHECK THAT.

I JUST TAKE A PERMISSION FROM MY NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE ALL NICE.

THEY'RE ALL GOOD.

THEY HAD ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION.

ANY IDEA WHERE THAT'S FROM? WHO? NO.

NO.

IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET.

UH, SMOOTH IT OVER WITH HIM IF YOU CAN DOWN AFTER THIS.

GOOD.

NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE A GOOD THING.

STAFF IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A HARD COPY ON THAT OR I HAVE IT PULLED UP HERE.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SOUNDS LIKE I ASKED A COUPLE OF 'EM, BUT I HEAR MUMBLING, UH, QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT.

TAMARA, RIGHT? YOU GOOD MR. ABPO? YEAH.

YOU WANNA AND

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PULLED ON THE COMPUTER? YES.

AND ALL RIGHT, UH, COUNSELOR, CAN HE PASS HIS COMPUTER DOWN TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IF THEY WANNA READ ANY OPPOSITION LETTERS? UM, HE CAN OR HE CAN JUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD.

YEAH, I, YEAH.

HOW PROBABLY DO THAT AFTER MR. ARLA? IS I FINISH HERE? UH, ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW? I HAD NOTHING HERE.

MS. MR. BECKER, YOU GOT SOMETHING? NO.

YOU GOOD? ALRIGHT.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW.

THANK EVERYBODY LOOKS NICE.

I THINK IT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS.

UH, WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND READ IN THE OPPOSITION LETTER FOR US IF YOU WOULD PLEASE? JUST SO WE KNOW.

SO THIS OPPOSITION IS FROM MR. JOHN BANKS LOCATED AT 69 20 C HARBOR DRIVE.

GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 4.

AND HE IS IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 24 DASH FIVE DASH 0 0 2 6, EXCUSE ME.

AND HE HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

I QUOTE AFTER RECEIVING THE NOTICE TO PROVIDE A POSITION A SECOND TIME.

I AM FILING THIS OUT FOR A SECOND TIME.

I THINK THAT WHAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS DONE IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

MY OVERALL CONCERN IS ONE OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITY.

SHOULD ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WISH TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THE SAME THING IN THEIR YARD IN THE FUTURE, THE OPTION OF THEM BEING DENIED IS REAL.

IF THERE IS TO BE A VARIANCE GRANTED, IT SHOULD BE GRANTED TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NO SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO A RULE, POLICY, CODE OR OTHER LAW THAT CANNOT BE EQUALLY APPLIED TO ALL OTHERS.

AND QUOTE, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT AN ADVOCATE TO GO CHANGE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT THERE, SEND HIM DOWN TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE PETITION IS FROM A LOT THAT IS DIAGONALLY ACROSS, NOT FROM THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY SHARING THE WALL.

WELL, AND HE SAYS IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WHEN MY PROM DATE SAID, YOU'RE GOOD LOOKING, BUT I'M NOT GOING ON A DATE.

HOW CLOSE, HOW CLOSE IS THE DIAGONAL? THAT MEANS HE'S JUST CATTYCORNER.

SO THEY, THEY SHARE THE CORNER OF, CORNER OF THE FENCE THAT YOURS OKAY.

LIKE THAT FENCE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE LIKES IT.

IT'S JUST HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT FAIRNESS FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I APPRECIATE, WHICH YOU CAN COME DOWN AND, AND, AND TALK TO US TOO.

I'LL, I'LL SIGN HIM UP FOR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS, BUT THAT'S NOT AS TOXIC AS MOST OF THESE OPPOSITION LETTERS ARE.

SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

ANY OTHER PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE? C.

NONE.

I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 24 0 5 0 0 2 6.

SECOND I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BAKER.

SECOND.

FOR MS. SECOND RODIER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK YOU TO VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO, WHICH TAKES US TO OUR NEXT

[4. ZBA-24-06-0028 (Council District 4) Special exception for a garage conversion, located at 4141 Winslow Dr., legally described as Lot 52, Block A, Oak Hollow Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned Planned Development-50]

CASE.

LOOK AT HIM RIGHT THERE.

READY DON? I WAS READY THIS TIME.

NUDGE HIM THIS TIME.

THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN YOUR AGENDA.

ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 0 2 8.

UH, SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED 41 41 WINSLOW DRIVE ZONE PD 50.

AGAIN, THE RULE BEING, UH, THAT THEY MUST HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES AND THAT THERE MUST BE, UH, ONE LEGALLY CONVERTED WITHIN 300 FEET.

UM, THIS IS A RUDIMENTARY SITE PLAN AND SOME PICTURES OF THE GARAGE CONVERSION.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS, UH, BOARD MEMBER MELINDA ROGERS, WE DID CHECK TO SEE IF THERE WAS WITHIN SOME WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S ABOUT FOUR, UH, LEGALLY CONVERTED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

THAT SETS EVERYBODY'S MIND AT EASE THAT YOU DID A LITTLE QUICK, QUICK FACT CHECKING.

JUST WANNA LEAVE IT LIKE, UH, LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE DOOR.

UM, SO IN REGARDS TO ZBA 24 DASH OH 6 0 0 2 8, UM, 46 NOTICES WORSENED OUT ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR AND ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.

UM, THERE IS NOT AN, UH, FORMAL HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND S DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST.

ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF? TO MY RIGHT.

QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT MR. BAKER? I JUST WANT COMMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE ONE, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE TO ME.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

LOOKS LIKE THOSE, THOSE FANCY GARAGE DOORS, THEY SELL YOU FOR A LOT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME DOWN.

SERGIO VARGAS IS WHAT I HAVE HERE.

COME ON DOWN MS. NUNEZ.

MR. ABULA.

SET, SET THE, SET THE STANDARD PERFECTLY FOR YOU.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

UH, GIO VARGA.

41.

41 WINDLOW DRIVE.

THEY WERE ON PRETTY AND YOU CLOSED IT IN.

IS THAT CLOSED IN AS A WALL OR, YEAH.

VERY HIGH-END MATERIALS IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.

WHAT KIND OF WOOD DID YOU USE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE LIKE A CLOSE THE, THE GARAGE DOOR, BUT I

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I DON'T WANT LIKE NOT, YOU NOT TRY TO BLEND IN WITH RICK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I LIKE IT.

LOOKS GOOD.

DON'T LET MY WIFE SEE IT.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE THE BOARD NEEDS TO SEE OR HEAR FROM THIS APPLICANT OR WE ALL DOWN? MR. EPA? GO AHEAD SIR.

ABOUT THE OPPOSITION.

HOW CLOSE IS THE OPPOSITION TO YOUR HOUSE? WELL, PERSON BACK.

YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OPPOSITION LATER.

I KNOW.

WE'LL ASK STAFF WHEN WE GET THE OPPOSITION PART OF THIS.

ALRIGHT.

THEY CAN START GOOGLING AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.

ANYBODY ELSE ADMIT, GO AHEAD.

OH, THANK YOU MS. VARGAS.

LOOKS, LOOKS PRETTY NICE.

IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE FOR US, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT THING.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 4 0 6 0 0 2 8? UH, SEEING NOT ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 4 0 6 0 0 2 8? IF NOT NOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER OF THE OPPOSITION AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THE SAME PROCEDURE WE DID IN THE LAST ONE.

UH, YES, MR. CHAIR.

SO THERE WAS ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION, UH, SUBMITTED BY A MISS DINA DU BOIS LOCATED AT 41 33 WINSLOW DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.

UH, REGARDING CASE NUMBER ZBA 24 DASH ZERO SIX DASH 0 2 8, UH, REGISTERING IN OPPOSITION OF THE CASE.

AND, UH, REGARDING ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, I QUOTE, THIS DOES NOT SUPPORT UNIFORMITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR OTHERS TO CONVERT THEIR GARAGE.

IT REDUCES THE PROPERTY VALUE, IT CAUSES MORE CLUTTER OF CARS ON THE STREET AS THERE WILL BE NOWHERE TO PARK AS A REALTOR GARAGE CONVERSION SALE SLOWER THAN HOMES WITH A GARAGE.

FOR THAT I AM IMPOSED.

END QUOTE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO THAT, THAT TELLS YOU SHE'S BRINGING HER REALTOR HAT TO THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, VERY CONCERN.

SO YOU MAY NOT USE HER TO SELL THE HOUSE DOWN THE LINE IF THAT'S YOUR NEXT CHOICE.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ANY OTHER PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE? UH, IF NOT, I'M READY TO HEAR A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE CLOSE AND ACCEPT ZBA 24 0 6 0 0 2 8.

SECOND I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BAKER, A SECOND FROM MS. HICK.

ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO AND I HEARD YOU, YOU JUST DIDN'T GET THERE FAST ENOUGH.

I ASSUME.

OBJECTS LIGHTNING FAST.

[5. ZBA-24-06-0033 (Council District 2) Special exception for a garage conversion, located at 3155 Ponds Edge Trl., legally described as Lot 41, Block 12, Kirby Creek Village Addition No.8, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Planned Development-127]

SPEEDY, YOU'RE BACK.

UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR AGENDA AS BA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 3 3.

THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 31 55 PONDS EDGE TRAIL ZONE PD 1 27.

AGAIN, THE TWO RULES BEING ONE WITHIN THE 300 FOOT BUFFER, UH, LEGALLY CONVERTED.

AND THE OTHER THAT THEY MUST REQUIRE OR MUST HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.

UM, AND SO THERE WASN'T ONE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THIS ONE.

THIS CASE WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AT THE PREVIOUS EBA MEETING.

UM, AND THIS IS A, UH, SIDE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON SCREEN.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S WANTING TO BE A CONVERSION OF THE GARAGE INTO A BEDROOM.

UH, AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING GARAGE.

NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UM, WITHOUT APPROVAL OR PERMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THIS CASE.

AND SO REGARDING ZBA A 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 3 3 28 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS AN HOA WITHIN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, STAFF HAS DONE, UH, THE NECESSARY WORK TO NOTIFY THAT HOA OF THAT, UH, PROPOSED GARAGE CONVERSION.

UM, SO REGARDING ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 0 3 3 STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT AS REQUESTED.

QUESTIONS OF STAFF TO MY RIGHT.

AND THIS FIRST CASE WITH NO LETTERS OF OBJECTION OR SUPPORT, JOHN? CORRECT.

DO WE NEED TO SEND JUNE OUT TO THE MAILBOX? MAKE SURE NOTHING'S COMING.

SECOND I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BAKER, A SECOND BY MR. EPO.

WELL THEN WE'LL ROLL ON.

THE APPLICANT I HAVE BEFORE US IS JACQUELINE FLORES.

IS JACQUELINE FLORES IN THE ROOM? IF NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.

DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD ON THIS CASE AT ALL.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA? A 2 4 0 6 0 0 3 3.

SEEING NONE, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA A 2 4 0 6 0 0 3 3? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 24 0 6 0 0 3 3.

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UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK YOU TO REGISTER YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO WHICH TAKES US TO

[6. ZBA-24-06-0031 (Council District 1) –Variance to reduce the minimum lot area per unit permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 2404 & 2408 WE Roberts St., legally described as Lot 3 & 4, Block A, Jefferson Heights Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Attached District]

THE NEXT CASE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, ZBA 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 3 1 IS A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A MINIMUM LAW AREA FOR TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 24 0 4 AND 24 0 8 WE ROBERTS STREET.

UH, THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA PER UNIT FROM THE REQUIRED BEING 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT TO 3000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT WITH THE INTENT TO BUILD A DUPLEX ON EACH LOT, UM, WITH THE TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS VACANT LAND, UH, CURRENTLY VACANT LAND.

UM, SO IN REGARDS TO THIS REQUEST, 24 DASH OH SIX DASH 0 3 1 42 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST AS IS OUTSTANDING.

QUESTIONS OF STAFF TO MY RIGHT TO MY LEFT.

ALRIGHT.

OUR NEXT APPLICANT I HAVE IS ORNA RIO.

IS THAT RIGHT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN PLEASE? INTO THE MICROPHONE? IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

JUST, JUST THROWING YOU UP THERE.

DID YOU SEE THAT ? HI, MY NAME IS RENA MURILLO.

MY ADDRESS IS 24 0 4, UH, 24 0 8 WEST EAST ROBERT DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE 7 5 0 5 1.

WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW? JUST YOU'RE JUST HOPING FOR A VARIANCE SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED UHHUH.

YEAH, SHE SAYS SHE'S LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE SO IT GETS APPROVED.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMING BEFORE US? NONE TO MY RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.

APPRECIATE YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF Z ZBA? 2 4 0 6 3 1.

WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FROM MARIO REYES.

MARIO REYES.

IS MARIO REYES IN THE ROOM? WELL, OR IS THERE A CONFUSION HOLD? YEAH, HE'S BEHIND YOU, BUT I BET HE'S NOT HERE FOR THIS ONE.

I THINK, YEAH, I, I HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU.

COUNSELOR, ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE OR THE OTHER ONE FROM 1935.

IT JUST HAS THE WRONG CASE NUMBER ONE.

NO PROBLEM.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 4 0 6 0 0 3 1.

SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 4 0 6 0 0 3.

ONE SECOND.

UH, I HAVE MOTIONS AND SECONDS.

UH, MOTION BY MR. BAKER, SECOND BY MS. COCA.

AND ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK YOU TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

MOTION PASSES.

NINE TO ZERO.

WHERE DID HE GO? DID I JUST SEE OUR MAYOR IN THE ROOM AND HE WALKED OUT? HE IS ELUSIVE MAYOR.

I BROUGHT MY SUNGLASSES IN, BUT I ALWAYS LEAVE MY KEY WITH IT SO I WON'T LEAVE WITHOUT MY SUNGLASSES.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I LEFT THEM UP THERE WHILE WE WERE TAKING PICTURES.

Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING TO ACROSS THE BACK.

YOU GOT A FORM? THANK YOU.

MAYOR MAN'S OVER SIX FOOT TALL.

HE CAN'T SLIP INTO A ROOM AND NOT NOTICE HIM OUT THE CORNER.

YOUR EYE .

ALL RIGHT, NEXT CASE.

[7. ZBA-24-07-0034 (Council District 5) – Special exception for a garage conversion and variance to reduce minimum side setback of a primary structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 1925 NW Dallas St., legally described as Lot 0007, Block 00078, Dalworth Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Four Residential District]

UM, THAT, UH, STRUCTURE THERE IS ALL NEW TO BE NEW.

MOVING ON.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON YOUR AGENDA, ZBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 3 4.

THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION AND MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1925 NORTHWEST DALLAS ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY FOUR RESIDENTIAL.

AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT BEING THAT IF YOU WANT TO COR CONVERT A GARAGE INTO A LIVING SPACE, YOU MUST MEET, UH, TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO HAVING ONE WITHIN 300 FEET OF YOU.

AND THE ADDITIONAL VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK FOR A PRIMARY STRUCTURE FROM THE REQUIRED AMOUNT, WHICH IS SIX FEET DOWN TO THREE FEET.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS A PROPOSED SIDE PLAN AND LIKE I MENTIONED DURING THE BRIEFING, UH, AS YOU SEE HERE, NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, AN ADDITION THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PROPOSE TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

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UM, HOWEVER, THESE, UH, ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN ARE EXISTING.

THOSE THREE STRUCTURES, UH, ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING ON THE LOTS.

UM, AND SO THE, THE INTENT IS TO CONVERT ALL OF THOSE, UH, STRUCTURES WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE TO ADD TO THE HOME, UH, MAKING IT ONE SINGLE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

BECAUSE OF THAT, THE SIDE SIDE SETBACK THAT YOU SEE HERE ON SCREEN, UH, WOULD BE ENCROACHED UPON BY THOSE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES RESULTING IN THE NEED FOR A VARIANCE.

AND THESE ARE PICTURES OR IMAGES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE LOT.

SO REGARDING ZBA 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 3 4, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND VARIANCE, UH, REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION AND MINIMUM SITE SETBACK, UM, 40 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA, HOWEVER, STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST AS IS, UH, AS MENTIONED DURING THE BRIEFING.

UH, THE PROPOSED VARIANCE AS IT MAY INJURE THEIR PROPER USE OF THE ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WILL ONLY BE, UH, THREE FEET, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE.

UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT SHORT DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY, UH, MULTIPLE REGULATIONS, UH, AND UPGRADES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES TO CONFORM TO FIRE SAFETY, TO ENSURE FIRE SAFETY.

EXCUSE ME.

SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST AS IS.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING.

CAN YOU BACK US UP TO THE PHOTOS? THE, THE REAL FO THERE YOU GO.

NOW THERE'S EXISTING STRUCTURES HERE, CORRECT? YOU'RE WANTING TO CONNECT ALL TOGETHER INTO ONE, CORRECT.

IS THAT THE IDEA? YES, MR. CHAIR.

BUT TO DO THAT PUTS YOU TOO CLOSE TO, AS WE LOOK AT THIS OVERHEAD TO THE LEFT, I GUESS, OR THE RIGHT OR BOTH SIDES.

YOUR LEFT.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO CLOSE THAT IN, YOU'RE RIGHT UP ON THAT OTHER PROPERTY LINE, WHICH, AND THAT'S WHY STAFF CAN'T SUPPORT, IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU HAVE AN ELEVATION? I DID NOT INCLUDE IT ON THIS ONE.

OKAY, OKAY.

BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY WERE BUILDING AN ENTIRE HOUSE.

THAT'S TWO STORIES.

I YES.

SO THERE WILL BE, UH, AN ADDITION AS WELL.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, THIS MAJOR, UH, PORTION HERE IS GONNA BE COMPLETELY NEW.

AND THIS WILL BE, OR IS EXISTING, WHICH WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN TOTAL.

AND THIS IS BACK HERE IS WHERE THE EXISTING GARAGE IS.

UM, AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING TO CONNECT EVERYTHING WITH THIS NEW STRUCTURE AND THIS BEING THE EXISTING HOUSE AS IS, ARE THEY NOT WEARING DOWN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? NO.

NO.

I THOUGHT ELEVATION SHOWS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UH, THEY HAVE IN THEIR ELEVATIONS THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.

I THINK WE HAVE A FEW MORE STAFF QUESTIONS.

MR. LANGS, GO AHEAD.

WELL, THE, THE TWO AND THREE IS ALREADY EXISTING AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN VIOLATION.

SO BECAUSE THESE WERE BUILT, UH, AND THEY WERE CONSIDERED GRANDFATHERED, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NOT BE EXCEEDING THE SETBACK.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU'RE CONNECTING THESE WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THAT IS WHEN THE ISSUE COMES ABOUT THE SIDE SETBACK.

UM, SO THEY'RE AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THEY'RE OKAY.

WHERE THEY ARE? YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXISTING.

AND, UH, ALSO, UH, DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT, OKAY.

UH, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE THREE FEET.

I'M NOT SURE THE HEIGHT OF THESE, BUT DID I SEE ANOTHER HAND ON MY RIGHT? NOPE.

TO MY LEFT.

NO QUESTIONS ON THAT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING THE APPLICANT DOWN HERE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT.

NOW, IS IT CARIUS? IS IT BLANCA CARIUS IS THE NAME I HAVE ON THIS CASE, IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THAT YOU OR BLANCA? BLANCA.

B-L-A-N-C-E.

IS THAT YOU? UH, YEAH, SHE'S THE APPLICANT.

SHE, SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA COME SPEAK ON, ON THIS CASE.

COME ON DOWN.

AND, AND, AND, AND TELL ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS RIGHT AT THE TOP, AND THEN TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

'CAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE MORE CONFUSING.

THE WAY THEY ARE, UM, WITH USING, UH, FIRE RATED ASSEMBLIES SO THAT WAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE, THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, MY NAME IS MARIO REYES.

THE ADDRESS IS 1925 NORTHWEST DALLAS STREET, UHHUH .

SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IT'S, UH, DO YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THE STRUCTURES, EXISTING STRUCTURES INTO THE MAIN BUILDING THROUGH A NEW ADDITION.

THIS NEW ADDITION WILL COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING, I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, BUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, I MEAN THEY WERE BUILT ALMOST LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.

UH, AND THE LEFT SIDE, WE ONLY HAVE THREE FEET, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE RIGHT SIDE, IT'S ONLY ABOUT, UH, FIVE, FIVE FEET.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRIED TO ACHIEVE HERE IS TO, UH, KEEP THOSE STRICT STRUCTURES, UH, AS

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SORRY, JUST, OH, I'M SORRY.

SO, UH, YEAH, BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GET.

HAVE WE WORKED ON ANY SOLUTIONS ON, I MEAN, YOU GOT THE GRANDFATHER BUILDINGS NOW, BUT WHEN YOU TIE 'EM ALL TOGETHER WITH A, A BIGGER STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE PROBLEM.

'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE, I GUESS IF THEY LEFT THEM THERE, UH, YEAH.

AND DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING, NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE ANYTHING.

BUT IF WE'RE BUILDING THERE, YEAH, YOU NEED A VARIANCE.

UH, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, WE, WE TRIED TO KEEP THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, LOWER THAN THE MAXIMUM REQUIRED FROM CITY.

BUT, UM, YEAH.

AND WE ARE, I MEAN, EVEN THIS A SECOND STORY YES.

UM, PART OVER HERE.

SO WE'RE LIKE HERE, BUT, UH, I MEAN THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY, I, I MEAN I, HOW TO SAY THIS, UM, , THE, THE EXISTING INSTRUCTION NUMBER TWO, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

THIS ONE HAS A SENIOR BLOCK WALLS.

SO, UM, AND, AND THE NUMBER FOUR THAT THIS EXISTING GARAGE, UM, WE ARE THINKING THAT IT WAS, UH, A GARAGE PREVIOUSLY.

'CAUSE UH, WHEN THE OWNER, WHEN SHE BROKE THE HOUSE, UH, THERE WAS ALREADY, UH, ROOMS INSIDE THAT, UH, STRUCTURE.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT GARAGE STRUCTURE, UHHUH .

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? UH, TO MY RIGHT.

SEEN THAT.

HOW ABOUT TO MY LEFT, MR. BAKER? GO AHEAD, SIR.

AND, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS, LET ME ADDRESS THIS BACK TO SALVADOR HERE.

THE, SO THE, THE NUMBER ONE STRUCTURE, I GUESS ONE UP FRONT IS REALLY NOT AN ISSUE, RIGHT? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BECAUSE THAT'S EXISTING AS IT IS, RIGHT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, BEING OVER BOUNDARY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE REAL PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS ARE, ARE THE OR, OR THE ARE THE TWO ON THE LEFT? YES.

EVEN THE NEWLY PROPOSED EDITION, UH, WHICH IS NUMBER SEVEN ON SCREEN, UH, IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S ABIDING BAR SETBACKS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY PRETTY MUCH BUILT, UH, UP TO THE SETBACK, BUT IT'S NOT EXCEEDING OR ENCROACHING ON THE SETBACK.

IT'S THOSE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES THAT, UH, WHICH WILL THEN BE, UH, ADDED TO THE ADDITION.

SO IT'S THE TWO AND THREE THAT WE'RE REALLY THE CITY'S REALLY STRUGGLING WITH.

CORRECT.

THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE.

AND SO THAT, THAT'S, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE, THE MAIN GARAGE UP THERE THAT'S TURNING INTO A ROOM OR WHATEVER, THAT'S NOT REALLY NOT AN ISSUE.

SO THE REAL ISSUE IS THE, THE, THE TWO LITTLE, THE SMALLER STRUCTURE THAT'S OUT THERE ON THE LEFT, OKAY.

IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE.

SO IF THAT WAS TO DISAPPEAR OR NOT BE PART OF THE PROJECT, THEN MIGHT THE CITY MIGHT LOOK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? OKAY.

GETTING TABLE HAPPY AND, AND PUTTING IT OFF TO WORK OUT ANOTHER SOLUTION.

I GET IT.

DO YOU GET THAT NOW? OKAY.

SO, UM, BASICALLY I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO, UH, GET RID OF THAT PART.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE GET APPROVED.

WELL, OKAY.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU GET APPROVAL.

I'M SAYING TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO, TO ASK THE BOARD TO APPROVE IT AS IS, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.

BUT IT MAY NOT.

IT MAY, THAT MAY NOT.

IT MAY, SINCE THE CITY DOES NOT AGREE TO APPROVE THIS AS IS, IT MAY NOT BE APPROVED.

AND THEY, AND SO YOU'LL HAVE TO BE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMELINE IS AND WE CAN PUT THIS ON HOLD AND TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT NEXT MONTH OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE, AND OR, AND, OR YOU MAY BE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT WITH THE CITY AND THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THESE TWO LITTLE BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT.

AND YOU ACTUALLY WORK IT ALL OUT WITH THE CITY AND DON'T EVEN NEED US OR NEED US FOR SOMETHING SMALLER.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM .

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CITY MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO APPROVE IT IF, IF WE ARE TO PUT THIS, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS, UM, THIS PARTICULAR ONE ON HOLD TILL NEXT MONTH, OKAY.

AND DON'T VOTE ON IT AND LET YOU TALK TO THE CITY A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THE CITY NEEDS OR WANTS.

SO YOU MAY NOT NEED TO ENCROACH OVER THERE IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE TWO LITTLE SMALL BUILDINGS.

IF, IF I MAY, THAT TABLING GETTING, GETTING TABLE HAPPY IS, AND JUNE I SEE OVER THERE

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YOU REALLY HAVE TWO CHOICES.

YOU'VE GOT A VARIANCE BEFORE US.

YES, WE CAN VOTE ON IT IF SEVEN PEOPLE HERE VOTE FOR IT.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

THE FACT THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY THERE AND THEY'RE THE PROBLEM.

THE NEW CONSTRUCTION'S NOT A PROBLEM, THEN I'M INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THE VARIANCE AND LET YOU MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD AND MAKE THAT LOT A BETTER LOT.

HOWEVER, THERE'LL BE CONDITIONS ABOUT FIRE SAFETY AND HOW YOU ARE ON THE NEIGHBORS.

'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BIG PROPERTY ON THERE, BUT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY SITTING THERE.

AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ON THAT LOT, NOBODY SAYS BOO ABOUT THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS.

SO RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT TAILING, I SAY, YOU TAKE THE VOTE TONIGHT.

SEE IF YOU GET YOUR SEVEN, IF NOT OH, IS NOT LOST, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND YOU'RE GONNA CONSULT WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND SAY, WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO TO GET YOUR BLESSING AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY? AND THEN WE MAY NEVER SEE IT AGAIN, AND THEN YOU JUST MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT I'M, YOU'RE HERE.

I, I'D TAKE A SWING AT IT AND SEE IF YOU GET SEVEN.

I I'M JUST NERVOUS.

WE GOTTA A FULL BOARD NINE.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD TO TAKE VOTES ON EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET TO SEVEN.

IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY.

I MEAN IT'S, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR NOW ANYWAY.

RIGHT? IT'S THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, BUT THERE'S STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND THAT'S, SORRY MR. SORRY, BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

SO WHEN SALVADOR EXPLAINED THAT IT'S ONLY THREE FEET AND IT IS A CONCERN, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AS YOU ARE AWARE, IS THE SETBACKS TYPICALLY WHEN THEY'RE CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET.

LESS THAN FIVE FEET, THERE'S A FIRE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE EASEMENT.

UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE ELEVATION, IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE BY COMPLETELY, UM, COVERING THAT WALL WITH A STUCCO AND NOT HAVING ANY OPENINGS.

SO I THINK WHAT HE FAILED TO EXPLAIN IS HE'S PROBABLY TRYING TO MEET THE FIRE RATED WALL CONSTRUCTION ALONG THERE.

SO THAT IT DOES NOT CREATE THAT ISSUE.

SO FIRE, UH, FIRE, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TYPICALLY ALLOWS BUILDINGS TO BE CLOSER THAN THE TYPICAL GENERAL RULE OF THUMB OF FIVE FEET IF THEY ARE TWO, TWO HOUR FIRE RATED WALLS OR, UH, WALLS WITHOUT ANY WINDOWS.

SO I THINK HE MIGHT BE ALREADY WORKING ON THIS SOLUTION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

WELL, YOU MENTIONED FIRE MATERIAL WALLS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING MM-HMM .

YOU'RE GONNA BUILD WITH THE FIRE MATERIAL.

YES, SIR.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT PORTION THAT'S ENCROACHING TO BE WRAPPED IN FIRE RATED WALL WITH NO WINDOWS.

GOTCHA.

WHAT, SO WHY ARE WE HERE? LET, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, ARE YOU, ARE YOU STILL THINKING? 'CAUSE I THINK WE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION OVER HERE FROM MS. ROGERS.

I DON'T KNOW YOU GOT ANY QUESTION FOR ME? THIS IS ACTUALLY , THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE FOR STAFF.

UM, AND I KNOW WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THIS PIECE, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE GOING TO RELY ON YOU AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WALL IS THERE FOR, FOR PROTECTION.

CORRECT.

IT, IT WILL BE REVIEWED DURING THE BUILDING, UH, BUILDING PERMIT.

AND IT WILL ALSO BE INSPECTED ONCE THE PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THE CONSTRUC STATUS STARTED.

YES, MA'AM.

AND WHEN I ASK FOR A MOTION, I I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO INCLUDE THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT PARAGRAPH THAT, SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAN.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, LETTING US TAKE A VOTE AND SEE HOW THIS, HOW THE CHIPS FALL TONIGHT? ? YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? UH, NO.

I THINK, I'M SORRY IF I'M DOING THIS WRONG, BUT THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO THIS.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU'RE GOOD.

UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE ALL FLYING ALONG.

YOU'RE DOING JUST FINE MY FRIEND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR COMING UP, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 4 0 7 0 0 3 4? SEEING NONE.

ANY ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? SORRY.

MR. ZBA, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A SPEAKER, MARIA BENITEZ TOBAR, AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER SHE'S HERE IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION.

MARIA, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM? YES.

ARE YOU HERE ABOUT THIS CASE? YES SIR.

ARE YOU FOR IT AGAINST IT? DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD? TELL YOU WHAT, COME ON DOWN AND TALK TO ME.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER.

YOU SAW THE OTHER FOLKS START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS IN THE RECORD FOR THE MICROPHONE, AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU NEED US TO HEAR.

UH, YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MARIA BENI.

MY ADDRESS IS 1925.

NO, WEST DALLAS STRIP.

SHE'S GONNA ADJUST THAT FOR YOU.

IT'S STILL SET FOR THE MAYOR AT SIX FOOT FOUR.

UH, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, 1925 NORTHWEST DALLAS STRIP OVER HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.

AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS CASE? UM, I ASKING TO MY NEIGHBORS IF THEY ARE OKAY OR THEY, THE, UH, BUILDING IN BOTHER AND THEY SAY, NO, IT'S OKAY FOR ME.

THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH IT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPOSITION TO IT.

IT'S THE CITY CODE OF, OF THAT.

OH, OKAY.

JUST THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE, ON THE LINE.

SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT? YOU'RE IN SUPPORT?

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IS THIS YOUR PROPERTY? YES.

YOU JUST BEEN QUIETLY SITTING THERE.

HE'S UP HERE DANGLING ON A VINE AND YOU'RE OVER THERE JUST GIGGLING.

UM, THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED.

THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN MA'AM.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE HAVE TWO IN SUPPORT KNOWN IN OPPOSITION.

I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 24 0 7 0 0 3 4 WITH STAFF COORDINATION AND WITH UNIFORMED COMPANY AND ALL THE CITY ORDINANCES AS APPROVED PER PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER A SECOND BY MR. LANGSTON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE, THEY STILL GET TO DO THE FIRE CODE, THEY STILL GET TO DO ALL THE STUFF AND, AND SOMETHING TELLS THAT OUR FRIENDLY PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE ALL OVER THAT.

SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

GIVE 'EM UP.

AND OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

SO BY COUNT OF EIGHT TO ONE, THE MOTION DOES PASS.

WE'RE MOVING RIGHT

[8. ZBA-24-07-0039 (Council District 4) Special exception for a garage conversion, located at 4148 Norway Ln., legally described as Lot 18, Block 3, Sheffield Village Addition Phase 1 & 2, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned Planned Development-140]

ALONG.

OUR NEXT CASE WILL BE ZBA 2 4 0 8 0 0 3 9.

NO, YOU READ THE, THIS IS REGARDING, IT'S 24 0 7 0 3 9, NUMBER EIGHT.

IT IS NUMBER EIGHT.

THERE'S ANOTHER TYPO IN MY SCRIPT.

IT'S WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.

TYPO IN MY SCRIPT, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION BY GHOST WRITER THE LATER THIS WEEK AND WE'LL GET IT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT.

THAT'S WHAT YOUR, YOUR VICE-CHAIRS FOR TO HELP YOU OUT.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

NO PROBLEM.

LORD KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.

UH, ANYWAY, , WHY AM I, I, GO AHEAD SIR.

THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON YOUR AGENDA.

24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 3 9.

SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR YOUR GARAGE CONVERSION AT A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 1 4 8 NORWAY LANE ZONE PD ONE 40.

THIS, UH, DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE 300 FOOT RULE, HOWEVER, THERE ARE AMPLE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY'RE WANTING TO TAKE UP ABOUT HALF THE GARAGE, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE.

UM, AND THERE'S NO WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY OR ON THIS PROJECT.

UH, THIS IS THE IMAGE OF THE, UH, STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

AND REGARDING THIS CASE, 57 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA.

A 24 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 0 3 9 AS REQUESTED.

QUESTIONS, THE STAFF TO MY RIGHT, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT.

I HAVE AN APPLICANT DOWN IS ANDREAS.

ANDREAS SUAREZ.

I BET YOU'RE MS. ARNOLD IN THE BACK THERE.

RIGHT? SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AS I UNDERSTAND.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 4 0 7 0 0 3 9? SEE I MADE A LITTLE EDIT ON THE FLY THERE.

I CAN ROLL WITH IT.

UH, ANYONE IN WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 4 0 7 0 0 3 9? SCENE? NONE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 4 0 7 0 0 3 9.

SECOND SECOND.

SEE, SHE'S, SHE'S LIGHTING IT FAST.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MOST ENTERTAINMENT I HAVE A SEEN WHO COMES UP WITH A SECOND PASTOR.

UH, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU GUYS, BUT WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO BE EITHER, YOU KNOW, EBITDA OR RO THE HARDEST NAMES FOR ME TO WRITE UP HERE EVERY TIME.

COME ON, ROGERS WAITING ON YOU THERE.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

TAKES US TO OUR LAST CASE.

MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO, WHICH

[9. ZBA-24-08-0040 (Council District 2) Special exception for a garage conversion, located at 813 S. Edelweiss Ct., legally described as Lot 18, Block 1, Park Valley Addition No.3, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Three Residential District]

MS. ARNOLD'S CASE SALVADOR.

TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, SIR.

MOVING ON TO YOUR LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.

ITEM NINE ZBA 24 DASH OH EIGHT DASH 0 4 0.

UH, THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION LOCATED AT EIGHT 13 SOUTH ET WISE COURTS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY THREE RESIDENTIAL.

AGAIN, UH, THE PROPERTY DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM 300 FOOT RULE AND IS WHY IT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.

UM, THEY DO HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES AND THIS IS A PROPOSED, UH, SITE PLAN OF THE CONVERSION.

AND SO THIS IS A IMAGE OF THE CURRENT PARKING OR OFF STREET PARKING.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE AMPLE ROOM FOR TWO CARS THERE.

AND REGARDING THIS CASE, UH, 25 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RETURN, AIM FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA 24 DASH OH EIGHT DASH 0 4 0 AS REQUESTED AND I CAN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK MS. ARNOLD, WHO I BELIEVE WAS THE FIRST APPLICANT

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TO WALK IN THE ROOM.

SO YOU ARE A SYMBOL OF PATIENCE AS YOU SAT THROUGH THE REST OF THIS, BUT COME ON DOWN AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

IF YOU WOULD, REAL QUICKLY.

MY NAME IS PAMELA ARNOLD.

8 1 3.

OTHERWISE COURT, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.

I'M CONVERTING THE GARAGE TO, WE'RE DOING A LIVE AREA OF, FOR THE GRANDKIDS AND EVERYBODY BECAUSE OF WE TRYING TO STOP THIS TECHNOLOGY DURING HOLIDAYS AND WHEN WE ALL GATHER.

SO THE IPADS? YEAH.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY.

'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A NO TECHNOLOGY ZONE.

NO, I LIKE IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

VERY MUCH LIKE THAT.

ALRIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR IT? MS. ARNOLD, YOU CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE AND SPENT AN HOUR WITH US.

WELL, THAT'S GREAT.

I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND I, IF MEMORY SERVES, I THINK 45 YEARS AGO I DATED A GIRL IN OTHERWISE COURT, BUT I'M SURE, SURE.

SHE'S MOVED ON SINCE WASN'T ME.

YEAH, NO, WE'RE GOOD.

WASN'T ME.

WHY DO LADIES ALWAYS WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD, IT WASN'T ME, PAL.

I'M NOT SURE.

THAT NEVER SERVES WELL FOR ME.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT CBA 24 0 8 0 0 4 OH? ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND APPROVE CBA 24 0 8 0 0 4 0.

SECOND, UH, WE GOT A MOTION BY MR. BAKER, SECOND BY MS. SECOND RODEO.

UH, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.

MR. ARO? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

MR. OPPO.

WE HAVE A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.

THE CASE IS APPROVED.

THANK, IT'S TECHNICALLY IN THE ROOM.

CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS OR, UH, YES.

UH, ABOUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT OFFICER NEXT OFFICERS.

WHAT DO WE WANNA DO GOING FORWARD? UH, WE WE NEED A PR WE NEED A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.

I DO JUST WANNA SAY I WANNA BE HERE AND, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO BE VICE CHAIR AGAIN AND I'M HAPPY WITH BURIED IN SHARON.

IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT ON THE RECORD WITH THE MICROPHONE ON THAT YOU'RE HAPPY WITH ME.

MUCH BETTER.

MS. ARNOLD, WHO WANTED TO CLEARLY POINT OUT WE, YOUR WHO'S, I'M SORRY.