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WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
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WE'LL CALL THE, UH, MEETING TO ORDER OF THE BUILDING ADVISORY AND APPEALS BOARD.[1. Approval of Minutes for April 1, 2024 BAAB]
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 1ST, 2024.GIVE THE BOARD A MINUTE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
THAT MOTION, UH, PASSES BY VOTE OF, UH, 1, 2, 3, 6, 0.
[2. Hearing concerning alleged Dangerous Structure located at 122 W. Grand Prairie Rd., Grand Prairie, Texas]
THE AGENDA IS A HEARING, UH, CONCERNING ILLEGAL, UH, I'M SORRY, ALLEGED DANGEROUS STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 22 WEST GRAND PRAIRIE ROAD HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF ALL.
WE LOOKED AT THIS A FEW TIMES BEFORE, AND 1 22 WEST GRAND PRAIRIE.
I CALL IT THE OLD GOLF COURSE HOME.
UH, I THINK WE FIRST MET ON THIS AND ON FEBRUARY 5TH, UH, Y'ALL GAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER UNTIL MARCH 6TH TO REPAIR, REMOVE OR DEMOLISH AND, AND APPEAR AND, AND GIVE, UH, PROGRESS REPORTS.
AND THEN THEY, THEY APPEARED ON MARCH 4TH.
UH, Y'ALL SAID APRIL 1ST REPAIR REMOVER DEMOLISHED, BUT THEY FURTHER ORDERED DONOR TO APPEAR APRIL 1ST.
UH, AND PRESENT A DETAILED TIMELINE AND SHOW PROGRESS.
SO THEY DID, THEY, THEY HAD A TIMELINE AND THEY HAD SOME PROGRESS, AND THEY'VE APPLIED FOR THEIR PERMITS.
AND SO THEN ON APRIL 1ST, THEY'LL GAVE THEM UNTIL TODAY TO HAVE IT REPAIRED, REMOVED OR DEMOLISHED AND TO APPEAR.
SO THAT WAS THE SECOND MEETING? THIS? YEAH.
AND, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM KAREN.
YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THEM TODAY? YES, SIR.
I KNOW THAT, UH, I KNOW THAT I'VE CHECKED WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
THEIR PERMIT AND THE DETAILED DRAWINGS THEY SUBMITTED ARE, ARE QUITE EXTENSIVE.
AND, UH, AND, BUT THE, THEY'RE STILL PENDING APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING INSPECTOR, BUILDING INSPECTOR PLANNING INSPECTOR TO GO APPROVE PER PERMITS.
THERE'S ELEMENTS OF A, OF THE PERMIT PROCESS THAT THEY HAD TO SUBMIT, UH, DESIGNS FOR, AND ALL OF 'EM HAD TO BE STAMPED BY AN ENGINEER.
AND I'M AT LEAST A DOZEN DIFFERENT ITEMS. UH, THEY HAVE ALL BUT ONE HAS BEEN SIGNED OFF ON TO, TO APPROVE THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
UH, AND THAT ONE IS SHEER WALL CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT SOUNDS IMPORTANT.
AND, UH, SO THEY HAD SUBMITTED THE DRAWINGS AND THE PLANS, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE STAMP ON, SO THEY SENT IT BACK TO GET THE STAMP.
AND THEN WHEN STAMP WHEN CAME BACK, YOU COULDN'T READ THE WRITING AND THE DRAWINGS.
SO THEY'RE ONE STEP AWAY FROM HAVING THEIR PLANS APPROVED.
AND SHE SAYS AS SOON AS WHAT SHE LOOKED AT BEFORE THE STAMP LOOKED GOOD, BUT NOW THAT THE STAMPS ONERS CAN'T READ IT AND IT'S, THEY'RE DOING IT ELECTRONICALLY.
THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE.
AND THAT THE PROCESS OF THE PLANS IS, IS WHERE THEY ARE.
THERE'S ONE, ONE STEP AWAY, BUT I HAVEN'T, WE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM 'EM.
SO IT IS TO REMIND YOU OF THE FINDINGS THAT THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL HAD, UH, APPROVED THE LAST FEW MEETINGS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAW.
THE HEARING WAS GIVEN AND THE NOTICE WAS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAW.
THE NOTICE OF THIS HEARING WAS GIVEN TO THE O OWNER, LIEN HOLDER AND OTHER PARTIES WITH AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 22 WEST GRAND PRAIRIE.
THE VACANT STRUCTURE IS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY IS DILAPIDATED.
IT'S MISSING PRIMARY EXTERIOR SUPPORT AND OF THE PATIO COVER, THERE'S DRY ROD ON THE EXISTING PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION AND SUBFLOOR.
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ROOF SECTION OF THE STRUCTURES FRAMING AND RAFTERS DISPLAYED SIGNIFICANT DECAY AND ROD CEILING JOISTS IN THE KITCHEN AREA OF THE STRUCTURE ARE NON-SUPPORTED FOR LOW BEARING MEMBERS.IT, WELL, IT'S SECURED NOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ALL HAD FOUND.
THE STRUCTURE IS MISSING ELECTRICAL WIRING AND PLUMBING COMPONENTS AND ITS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE IS DETERMINED TO FIND BY GRAND PRAIRIE CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 29 28, ALL THOSE SUBSECTIONS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE OWNER, UH, ORDERS Y'ALL ADOPTED, WHICH ARE IN APRIL, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS AS WHAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE EX EXCEPTION OF THE FIRST.
AND SHALL IT ENSURE THE STRUCTURE IS REPAIRED, REMOVED, OR DEMOLISHED IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE LAW BY JULY 1ST, AND THE OWNER APPEAR HERE ON JULY 1ST TO SHOW PROGRESS.
UH, KEEP THE STRUCTURE SECURE FROM ENTRY UNTIL THE STRUCTURE IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
ANY PERSON HAVING AN INTEREST IN THE STRUCTURE, REMOVE OR DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AT SUCH PERSON'S OWN RISK, PREVENT THE ACQUIRING OF A LIEN AGAINST THE LAND UPON THE STRUCTURE STANDS.
SHOULD THE OWNER FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDER THE CITY HAS AUTHORIZED AT ITS DISCRETION TO REPAIR, REMOVE OR DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE IN ANY NECESSARY, ANY ACCESSORY REQUIRED TO BE DEMOLISHED AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, ASSESS A CIVIL PENALTY IN THE AMOUNT OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER DAY FOR EACH DAY OF THE STRUCTURE CONTINUES TO BE IN VIOLATION.
ANY EXPENSE OWED TO THE CITY, OWED TO THE CITY BY THE OWNER WOULD BILL TO THE OWNER.
FAIR TO PAY WILL RESULT IN A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
SUCH COST PENALTIES, EXPENSES SHALL ACCRUE AT A RATE AN INTEREST RATE OF 10% PER ANNUM.
AND THE CITY SHALL HAVE ALL REMEDIES PROVIDED BY LAW TO RECOVER MONEY OWED THE CITY, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO PLACE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
UNLESS A HOMESTEAD PROTECTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AND ANY SUBSEQUENT PURCHASER OF THE PROPERTY IS REQUIRED WILL COMPLY WITH THIS ORDER.
ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? GO AHEAD.
UM, SO IF I ENSURE YOUR RIGHT, UH, THE CITY IS STILL, HAS IT ISSUED A PERMIT YET TO START WORK BECAUSE WE'RE YOU JUST GOT THE SEALS AND YOU'RE WAITING ON THOSE THERE, IT'S, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL UNDER REVIEW, SO, OKAY.
SO IT'S NOTHING THAT HOMEOWNER COULD DO RIGHT NOW? NO, THEY CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD SAY DO YOU THINK THEY COULD, YOU WOULD HAVE IT DONE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, SO IN THE NEXT, UM, THEY SHOULD START SOME KIND OF WORK IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
WELL, IF THEY SEND THAT ONE DOCUMENT BACK IN A READABLE FASHION NEXT WEEK, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL BE APPROVED.
AND THEN THEY CAN START THEIR WORK.
THEY COULD START SOMETHING THEORETICALLY THEY COULD START TO WORK IF THEY DO IT.
UH, SO ANOTHER 30 DAYS YOU THINK WOULD R 60? I MEAN, I, I GUESS I, I'M SURE ANOTHER 30 DAYS WOULD GET THEIR, A PLAN IS APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW THEIR WILLINGNESS OR ABILITY TO, TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ONCE THEY HAVE IT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO, UH, 60 DAYS INSTEAD OF THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
WHAT ABOUT A 60 DAY? IF YOU'RE THINKING THEY GET THE PERMIT AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA START SOMETHING? WELL, IF REASONABLY, IF THEY HAD THE FUNDS AND THE ABILITY AND A PLAN, ONCE THEY GET THE PERMITS APPROVED TO START THE NEXT DAY, THEY COULD START THE DAY AFTER THEY'RE APPROVED.
I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THEY'LL DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, Y'ALL TALK TO 'EM, THAT'S, I'M IT COULD HAPPEN.
WHAT IF WE GIVE THEM 30 DAYS JUST TO SHOW, COULD WE GET THEM TO SHOW UP IN 30 DAYS AND TELL US WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, WE GAVE THEM MM-HMM
SO THEY'VE HAD MAY, JUNE, THEY'VE HAD 60 DAYS TO COME HERE TONIGHT TO TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
BUT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THEIR PERMITS DONE, SO THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY GET THEIR PERMITS.
WELL, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE RESPONSIVE THOUGH.
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM, RIGHT? NO.
SO IF I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING, I'M, I'M GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AT ALL? I MEAN, I MEAN, SINCE THE MEETING.
AND THAT WAS THE POINT IN BRINGING 'EM BACK SO THEY CAN MEET WITH US AND SHOW US, UH, SOME KIND OF PROGRESS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, OR WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO.
AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE NOT HERE SO WELL, BUT THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE PERMITS.
THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY GET THE PERMITS, RIGHT? NO, THEY CAN'T.
BUT SO THEY HAD UNTIL THE 18TH, THE ENGINEER WHATEVER, THE HAT OF JUNE.
TO HAVE THE RESUBMITTAL SUBMITTED ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET EITHER.
SO NOW THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO FINISH THE CITY TO FINISH HIS REVIEWS AND GIVE THEM THEIR PERMITS OR TELL THEM SOMETHING.
HE SAID THEY HAD TO RESUBMIT A DOCUMENT THEY HAVEN'T DONE SINCE JUNE 18TH.
THEY STILL HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT.
YEAH, THEY'VE SUBMITTED IT, KEYS WAITING FOR, BUT
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IT, THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT'S IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW WAS MISSING THE ENGINEERING STAMP.AND THEN WHEN WAS THAT SENT BACK TO THEM? MM, FIRST WEEK OF JUNE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OKAY, SO THEN THEY, THEY, THEY, SO THE ENGINEERING FIRM OR WHOEVER SENT, SENT A STAMPED COPY OF THAT BACK, BUT YOU CAN READ THE STAMP, BUT YOU CAN'T READ THE DRAW.
YEAH, IT WAS BLURRED AND, YEAH.
SO NOW THEY'RE ASKING IT FOR ANOTHER COPY THAT YOU CAN READ.
SO THEY ARE RESPONDING TO SOME OF SOME OF YOUR THINGS.
THE OTHER WAS COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH PLANNING IN THE LAST MONTH.
SO, I MEAN, 30 DAYS, THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PERMIT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO AND IN 30 DAYS THEY, IF THEY CAN'T GET STARTED, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
SO 30 DAYS, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOUR OFFICE HAS HAD ANY CONTACT WITH 'EM? WE WERE GETTING THAT ONE PROGRESS REPORT THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS AFTER WE STARTED THIS, BUT I HAVEN'T, I I DON'T RECALL OF ANY COMMUNICATION SINCE THE APRIL.
THE ONE WEEK, THE LAST BOARD MEETING.
AND THEY WOULD'VE CONTACTED YOU OR MR. UH, ONE OF US OR CHAD? YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, ADDRESS? UH, ANYONE, ANY AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SEEING NONE, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, ITEM AT THIS TIME.
SO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? I MEAN, IF, I MEAN, IF WE CHOOSE TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME, THEN EXTEND IT ANOTHER 30 DAYS TILL NEXT, NEXT MEETING, OR IF WE CHOOSE NOT, NOT TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME
SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO EXTEND THIS ORDER, UM, TO ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
60 DAYS OR YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, NOT TAKE ANY ACTION AND THE ORDER IS STILL IN PLACE FROM THE ORIGINAL ORDER.
SAYING THAT YOU FOUND THAT THESE, UH, PROPERTY THAT THE CITY COULD DO ENFORCEMENT EITHER DEMOLISH IT OR ASSESSABLE PENALTIES.
SO YOU CAN EITHER, UM, ADD ADDITIONAL TIME TO THE ORDER OR NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE ORDER AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO THE CITY.
GOING BACK TO THE CITY, WOULD THAT EXPEDITED, WOULD THAT EXPEDITE SOMETHING BEING DONE? WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, PUT ENFORCEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
I JUST, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY'VE HAD IN TOTALITY, I QUESTION, UH, THEIR MOTIVATION, UH, TO, TO GET IT DONE.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON AS FAR AS WE KNOW SINCE OCTOBER, UH, OF LAST YEAR, CORRECT.
ALLEN, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND FROM THE LOOKS OF THE PICTURE, IT STILL DOESN'T SEEM VERY SAFE TO ME.
THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM SAFE TO ME.
PARTICULARLY WHERE THAT POLE IS PLACED ON THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHILDREN, UM, TO GET IN THERE.
I, I JUST DOUBT THEIR, UH, MOTIVATION TO GET IT DONE.
SO I WANT TO EXPEDITE IT AND IF GOING BACK TO THE CITY WILL HELP EXPEDITE IT, THEN THAT'S GONNA BE MY VOTE.
COULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING ONTO THE LAND, UH, THE FENCE AROUND THE SIDE AND BACK, BUT NOT BOUND AND BACK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, MOVE FOR A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION OR DO WE JUST NOT RESPOND? AND THAT MEANS, SO WHEN THE CHAIR OPENS IT UP FOR MOTIONS, IF NO MOTION IS MADE MM-HMM
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THEN THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
THE MEETING CAN JUST END IF Y'ALL WANTED TO JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND DECIDE YOU COULD, UM, OR OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL COULD MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE SOME ACTION.
AND SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION, THEIR DEADLINE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE EXPIRES AT 11:59 PM TONIGHT, WHICH MEANS AS OF TOMORROW, THEY'D BE IN VIOLATION AND THE CITY CAN ENFORCE MM-HMM
WHAT THAT ENFORCEMENT LOOKS LIKE IS GOING TO DEPEND AND HAVE TO BE EVALUATED.
SO IT COULD BE THAT THE CITY ASSESSES CIVIL PENALTIES MM-HMM
ON THIS, WHICH WOULD ACCRUE DAILY MM-HMM
UM, THE CITY WOULD HAVE UNDER THE ORDER OF THE AUTHORITY TO DEMOLISH, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EVALUATED AS, THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE.
UH, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT CIVIL, UH, PENALTIES, I, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, WE, WE SHOWED UP TODAY AND THEY DIDN'T MM-HMM
SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN MORE THAN FAIR.
SO THAT SHOULD THE OWNER FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDER, THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED AT ITS DISCRETION.
SO THAT CITY IN DISCRETION, THAT'S US.
AND SO IF IT THE ORDER STANDS IN, WE WE CAN EVALUATE THEIR SERIOUSNESS OR IF THEIR TRIUMPH OR DOING ANYTHING, OR BEFORE WE START PICKING WHAT WE MIGHT WANNA DO WITH IT THE OTHER WAY THAT'S DEMOLISH IT OR CIVIL FAMILY, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OR THE STANDPOINT IF THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR.
SO THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO END THAT STATEMENT.
SO WITH THERE BEING NO MOTIONS MM-HMM
YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
HEARING WHICH HEARING, NOT HEARING, NO MOTIONS ON THIS ITEM.
WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SEEING NONE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TONIGHT, SO, UH, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
I MOVE FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
AYE, MO, UH, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6:18 PM HAVE.