* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. . [BRIEFING SESSION - 5:30 PM] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET THIS STARTED. WELCOME TO STAFF BRIEFING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEALS FOR THE MEETING OF JANUARY 17TH, 2024. I'M BARRY SANDERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THIS STAFF BRIEFING IS HEREBY CALLED TO ORDER AT 5:40 PM THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS WHERE THE STAFF BRIEFS THE BOARD AND PREVIEWS. THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASE. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN DURING THIS BRIEFING. NOW I'LL CONDUCT A ROLL CALL MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, JUST LIKE THIS. BARRY SANDIS. HERE. DAVID BAKER HERE. KIMBERLY RO HERE. UH, ERIC KADE. HERE. DAVID HICK. HERE. UH, TIMOTHY EPO. HERE. ANTHONY LANGSTON. HERE. MELINDA ROGERS HERE. AND OUR NEWEST BOARD MEMBER STACEY WHITE HERE. RECENTLY SWORN IN. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE NOW HAVE NINE MEMBERS HERE. A FULL BOARD HAZAH. BIG EXCITEMENT. SO WE CAN BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING COMMISSIONERS PRE PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE SO YOU CAN BE HEARD AND AMPLIFIED. FOR THE RECORD, WE'LL NOW GO TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION. SALVADOR, TELL US WHAT WE GOT. AL GON MIC THERE. I GOT YOU. GOT SOME TRY AGAIN. YEAH. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. SALVADOR GONZALEZ. PLANNING DIVISION. UH, WE HAVE TWO CASES TONIGHT. STARTING OFF WITH, UH, ZBA 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 7 4, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION LOCATED AT 5 26 SOUTHEAST 11TH STREETS. THIS IS ON SINGLE FAMILY FOUR RESIDENTIAL. THE REQUEST BEING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION INTO A LIVING SPACE. THE REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IS TWO AND THE PROVIDED IS TWO PLUS. AND I WENT AHEAD AND PROVIDED A MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, MARKED IN YELLOW, AS WELL AS A BUFFER LAYER, UH, SEEN BY THE BLUE CIRCLE. UM, AND IF YOU KIND OF LOOK IN THAT BLUE CIRCLE, YOU CAN ALSO SEE A, UH, ORANGE RECTANGLE THAT IS WHERE THE CLOSEST GARAGE CONVERSION OR LEGALLY PERMITTED GARAGE CONVERSION IS, UH, TO THAT PROPERTY. YOU'LL SEE UP ON THE SCREEN A FLOOR PLAN OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE CONVERSION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE PLANNING ON REMOVING THAT GARAGE DOOR ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, UH, AND ADDING A LIVING SPACE. AND I DO WANNA REMIND THE BOARD ONCE AGAIN THAT THE RULE IS, UH, TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES REQUIRED AS WELL AS 300 FEET FROM A, UH, ANOTHER LEGALLY PERMITTED GARAGE CONVERSION. SO THIS ONE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, MEETS THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING MINIMUM, BUT IT DOES NOT MEET THE, UH, 300 FOOT RULE AS TO THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THE CASE TO THE BOARD. AND IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT, UH, THERE IS A GARAGE BEHIND THOSE CARS. I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND I'M LIKE, WHERE IS THE GARAGE? AND EVEN THERE IS A GARAGE THERE. SO REGARDING CASE ZBA 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 0 7 4 FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, GARAGE CONVERSION INTO SPACE, 46 NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO WILL RETURN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSE. AND THERE IS A HUMMER'S ASSOCIATION LOCATED WITHIN, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST, AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ON RECOMMENDATION PATIENTS, STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT. AND THE ONLY REASON WE'RE REALLY HEARING THIS IS THE 300. THERE'S NOT AN ALREADY PERMITTED ONE WITHIN 300 FEET, OTHERWISE, CORRECT. MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT, MR. GO AHEAD. QUESTIONS. MR. BAKER, ARE THERE ANY PERMITTED OR NOT? NOT WITHIN 300 FEET. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. QUESTIONS FROM MY RIGHT. HAS THE UH, CONVERSION JOB STARTED OR? I AM NOT AWARE, BUT, UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PODIUM AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? TO MY LEFT OR MY RIGHT? I DON'T LEAST, LEAST THIS ONE'S GOT BLUEPRINTS AND PLANS INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY JUST PUTTING UP SHEETING FROM WALMART. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ENCOURAGING SIGN THAT THEY'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY AND TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT. YEAH, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DOING A BIG, UH, DOING A WHOLE DEMO PLAN ON IT. SO YEAH, ASK. ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE, PLEASE, SALVADOR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MOVING ON TO CASE ZBA 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 7 5 VARIANCE FOR FENCE HEIGHTS FOR A FENCE LOCATED AT ONE 12. LYDIA COURTS HIS OWN SINGLE FAMILY FIVE RESIDENTIAL [00:05:01] DISTRICT. UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR A VARIANCE REGARDING, UH, FENCE HEIGHT. THE ALLOWED IS FOUR FEET AND THE PROPOSED, UH, VARIANCE IS 5.6 FEET. SO THE FENCE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE FRONT YARD. AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE SET OF SET FENCE. UH, THE FENCE IS CONSTRUCTED AT THE MOMENT, UM, AND I DO WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS IS A VARIANCE SPECIFICALLY JUST STRICTLY FOR THE HEIGHTS. SO REGARDING ZBA CASE 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 7 5 FOR A VARIANCE FOR FENCE HEIGHTS, 40 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE RETURNED OPPOSED. AND I HAVE, UH, PLACED THAT, UH, POSITION LETTER ON YOUR, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU. AND THERE IS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE APPLICANT DOES PLAN ON BEING HERE TONIGHT. UH, HE'S SPANISH SPEAKING, SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE. OKAY. REGARDING CASE ZBA 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 7 5, STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUESTS AS IT IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP. AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ONLY THING ON THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS THE HEIGHT. 'CAUSE THEY CAN HAVE YARD, FRONT YARD, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE WHAT, FOUR FEET, THREE FEET? WHAT'S THE RULE? YES, FOUR FEET IS THE REQUIRED, UH, OR THAT'S THE MAXIMUM LIMITS. UH, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING VARIANCE FROM THAT FOUR FOOT MAXIMUM? YES. SO THIS IS, THIS IS A FIVE FOOT RIGHT IRON FENCE, BASICALLY FIVE FOOT SIX INCHES. FIVE SIX. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE TO MY LEFT, EVIE. SO THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. MY SCREEN KEEPS POPPING OFF AND ON, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THAT FENCE. IT'S ALREADY BUILT. IT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. IS THE, IS THE FENCE BUILT INTO THAT LITTLE RETAINING WALL OR IS IT BEHIND THAT RETAINING WALL? IT IS BUILT INTO THE RETAINING WALL ON TOP OF IT'S OKAY. IT IS OKAY. PACKAGE AND YES, I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE PICTURE, SO I JUST THAT IS WR IRON MATERIAL, CORRECT? YES. QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SALVADOR, YOU MADE IT THROUGH BRIEFING. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL BE BACK OVER HEREON. HEY SALVADOR, ONE MORE QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY TALKED TO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? WAS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OKAY WITH IT? UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY TALKED TO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, BUT, UM, WE SENT OUT NOTICES, UM, YEAH. TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS ONE OPPOSITION LETTER FROM THE HOA PRESIDENT, SO RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT NOT, NOT FROM THE ADDRESS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, THE GUY WE DID NOT RECEIVE. SOUTH FENCE. OKAY. YEAH. ANY FROM NEXT DOOR? CORRECT. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD TELL A FASCINATING TALE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ARE WE GOOD? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE OUR BRIEFING AT THIS POINT AND ADJOURN FOR THE NEXT 12 MINUTES. WE ADJOURN. [Call to Order] ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS MEETING FOR JANUARY 17TH, 2024. I'M BARRY SANDERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THIS MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS USUALLY MEETS THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH. ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED. NO OFFICIAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VARIANCES, EXCEPTIONS AND APPEALS AS PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 1 1 0 9 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THE CONCURRING VOTE OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS NECESSARY TO DECIDE IN FAVOR OF AN APPLICANT ON ANY MATTER ON WHICH THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ITEMS LISTED UNDER THE HEADING OF PUBLIC HEARING. ROLL CALL. AND NOW CONDUCTOR, ROLL CALL MEMBERS TO CONFIRM MY, THE PRESENCE OF QUORUM AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, JUST LIKE THIS. BARRY SANDIS. HERE. DAVID BAKER. HERE. KIMBERLY RO. HERE. ERIC ADEEN. HERE. DEBBIE EK. HERE. TIMOTHY OPPO. HERE. ANTHONY L LANGSTON. HERE. MELINDA ROGERS HERE. AND STACEY WHITE. HERE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS PRESENT AND WE DO HAVE A CORPSMEN ARE GOOD TO GO. UH, AND NOW I'M GONNA ASK MR. BAKER TO GIVE THE INVOCATION YES. DEARLY. FATHER, WE COME TO UNITE SO GRATEFUL THAT WE LIVE IN THIS GREAT CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE LORD, WHEN WE CAN FURNISH THE CITIZENS A, A CHANCE TO BRING OPPORTUNITIES TO US TO HELP THEM OUT. LORD, THANK YOU FOR THE WEATHER AND THE, THIS TIME OF SEASON. LORD, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT ON SOME PEOPLE, BUT [00:10:01] WE NEED IT AND WE, UH, ASK YOU TO BLESS US THIS TIME. WE ASK SAINTS YOUR NAME. AMEN. IS THAT A WIND CHILL OR MINUS EIGHT. AND YOU THANKED HIM FOR THE WEATHER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRAYER. OKAY. JUST I DON'T LIKE DEBT BUGS. THAT HELPS. OKAY. JUST CHECKING. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN THANKS. THANKS FOR KILLING THE BUGS. IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS, THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY. THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM. APPLICANTS HAVE 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT. ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK THE ADDITIONAL TIME ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT. STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO REP, RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM. AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS. OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM OF THE NIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 18TH, 2023. ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE MINUTES? ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] I'LL NOW ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 18TH. I HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BAKER, A SECOND BY MR. EPO. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NONE, THEN ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. NINE TO ZERO. [2. ZBA-23-12-0074 (Council District 5) – Special Exception for a garage conversion, located at 526 SE 11th Street, legally described as Lot 14, Block C, Robin Hood Park Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Four Residential District] SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE TWO CASES LISTED ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. SALVADOR, TAKE IT AWAY, MR. CHAIR, OR IS IT NO, I THINK IT'S GOOD NOW, YOUR HONOR. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. SALOR GONZALEZ, JR. PLANNING DIVISION. TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING TWO CASES. THE FIRST BEING ZBA CASE 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 0 7 4, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION INTO A LIVING SPACE LOCATED AT 5 0 6 SOUTHEAST 11TH STREET ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY FOUR RESIDENTIAL. AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST BEING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION INTO A LIVING SPACE. THEY WERE REQUIRED, UH, OFF STREET PARKING BEING TWO SPACES AND THE PROVIDED BEING TWO PLUS SPACES. ADDITIONALLY, THE RULE SAYS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LEGALLY PERMITTED GARAGE CONVERSION, UH, WITHIN 300 FEET. UH, OR ELSE IT, I GO IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS NOT WITHIN 300 FEET. UH, THE BLUE BUFFER LAYER REPRESENTS THE CLOSEST GARAGE, LEGALLY CONVERTED GARAGE OR LEGALLY GARAGE. CONVERTED, UH, PROPERTY YOU COULD SAY ON THE SCREEN IS THEIR FLOOR PLAN. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT SCREEN, THEY HAVE OR THEY PLAN TO REMOVE THAT GARAGE WALL AND CONVERT IT INTO A, UH, LIVING SPACE. AND THIS IS A PICTURE FROM STREET VIEW SHOWING THAT THERE IS MORE THAN, UH, AMPLE OFF STREET PARKING REGARDING ZBA CASE. 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 7 4, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION. 46 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED. AND THERE IS A HOMEOWNER'S OWN ASSOCIATION AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUEST. I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO MY RIGHT, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT NAME ON THIS ONE? THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM. BECAUSE USUALLY SOMEBODY WRITES DOWN THE APPLICANT'S NAME FOR ME, SO I LOOK SMOOTH AND COOL. BUT , WE'LL TAKE IT. SO WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT. UH, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE? CASH HAS NOTHING TO SAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. GO AHEAD. MR. BAKER. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 23 DASH 12 DASH 0 0 7 4. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND MR. WHITE MOTION FOR MR. BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THIS MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO. [3. ZBA-23-12-0075 (Council District 1) – Variances to increase the maximum height for a fence permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 112 Lida Ct., legally described as Lot 26, Block, 1, Enchanted Estates Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Five Residential District] SALVADOR, TAKE US TO THE SECOND CASE PLEASE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ZBA CASE 23 DASH 12 0 0 7 5 VARIANCE FOR OFFENSE. HEIGHT BEING THE SECOND CASE. TONIGHT'S FOR ONE 12 LYDIA COURTS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY FIVE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE REQUEST BEING A VARIANCE FROM, UH, THE ALLOWED FOUR FEET, UH, FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD TO 5.6 FEET OR FIVE FEET SIX INCHES IN THE FRONT YARD. AS [00:15:01] YOU CAN SEE ON THEIR SURVEY, THE FENCE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE, UH, WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AT IS GOING TO, IT IS WROUGHT IRON MATERIAL AND IT IS AT THE MOMENT, UH, BUILT. IT SITS ON TOP OF A, UH, CONCRETE RETAINING WALL. AND REGARDING ZBA CASE DASH 23 DASH 12 0 0 7 5 7 5 VARIANCE FOR DEFENSE HEIGHTS STRICTLY FOR THE PEN HEIGHTS. 40 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT SINCE ZERO. RETURN IN FAVOR. ONE WAS A RETURN OPPOSED, UH, AND THERE IS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST AS IT IS A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, UH, TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER IF NEEDED. AND I HAVE MR. ELMER MOLINA BEING HERE TONIGHT AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. AM I RIGHT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TO MY LEFT, I DO HONOR. OH, MS. ROGERS, GO AHEAD. I REALIZED THAT THE, I DUNNO, THIS IS ON, BUT I REALIZE THAT THE, UM, THE OPPOSITION WAS THE HOMEOWNER PRESIDENT. YES, MA'AM. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT PERSON LIVES IN RELATION TO WHERE THIS FENCE IS CONSTRUCTED? I MEAN, ARE THEY IN, ARE THEY IN THAT VICINITY OR IS THAT, ARE THEY SOMEWHERE WAY OFF? I'M NOT SURE. I, I JUST KNOW THAT THEY LIVE AT 1 0 4 LYDIA COURTS, WHICH IS NOT TOO FAR FROM THE LISTED ADDRESS. ONE 12 LYDIA COURT. I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. THEY LOOK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE SHOULD BE THREE HOUSES DOWN. STANDARD NUMBER SYSTEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NOPE. NOT, NOT TO MY LEFT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SALVADOR. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. AND DID YOU SAY MOLINA? YES. ELER MOLINA? YES. MR. MOLINA, IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE AND WE MAY WANNA HELP OUT IF WE CAN. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE TRY TO BE AS ACCOMMODATING AS WE CAN. MY ESPAN . UM, AND SO WE'LL START WITH NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN I'LL ASK A QUESTION. YOUR NAME EL. OKAY. AND YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH. ONE 12. ONE 12. YEAH. OKAY. UM, MY QUESTION IS, IT'S FIVE FEET. IT'S TOO TALL. WHY DID YOU BUILD IT? FIVE FEET INSTEAD OF FOUR? STILL HELP. OKAY. HE SAID THAT THEY CAN, THEY JUST GOT THE, THE MEASUREMENTS WRONG. UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE, THAT'S WHY IT'S BUILT A FOOT AND A COUPLE INCHES HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CITY ALLOWS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY HE CAME THROUGH TO APPLY FOR THIS VARIANCE SO THAT HOPEFULLY HE CAN GET IT APPROVED WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND, UM, MORE MONEY TO THE MM-HMM . I MEAN, HE UNDERSTANDS IF HE DOESN'T GET SEVEN VOTES FOR THE VARIANCE YEAH. HE'S GONNA HAVE TO CHOP IT DOWN. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WOW, THAT WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH FOR YES. . OKAY. [00:20:01] UH, MR. BAKER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. WHEN YOU SAY THEY GOT IT WRONG, DID THE FENCE BUILDER GET IT WRONG? MM-HMM . OR DID HE BUILD IT HIMSELF? HMM. OKAY. HE'S BUILDING HIMSELF WITH HELP WITH HELPERS. OKAY. MM-HMM . SO IT'S, IT'S SELF, IT'S SELF-HELP. OKAY? MM-HMM . SO, SO IT REALLY, HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT THEY GOT IT WRONG. MM-HMM . HE BUILT IT WITHOUT GETTING PERMITTED TO THE RIGHT HEIGHT. HE, WELL, US. OKAY. THEY BUILT THE FENCE PRIOR TO GETTING, UH, PRIOR TO APPLYING FOR A PERMIT. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY NEEDED A PERMIT. UM, HE WASN'T AWARE. THIS IS ON THE SIDE. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE MS. , MAY I HAVE A POINT? GO AHEAD FOR A MOMENT, TIFFANY. OKAY. SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOTE THAT, UM, THIS NEEDS TO BE A TRANSLATION. THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HEARING EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY FAIR ENOUGH. AS WELL AS EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID TO HIM. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT HE'S NOT SPEAKING IN ENGLISH, THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSLATED TO THE BOARD. AND WHAT THE BOARD SAYS NEED TO BE, NEEDS TO BE TRANSLATED BACK TO HIM SO THAT HE CAN BE FULLY HEARD BY THE BOARD AND THEY CAN HEAR ANYTHING THAT HE HAS TO SAY. MM-HMM. OKAY. SO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE AN ACTUAL, LIKE YOU NEED TO TRANSLATE FOR THE BOARD AS OPPOSED TO CONVERSING WITH HIM AND THEN SUMMARIZING FOR THE BOARD, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A TRANSLATION. OKAY. SO, SO LET'S KEEP OUR QUESTIONS CONCISE AND SHORT AND WE'LL KEEP OUR ANSWERS SHORT SO THAT WE CAN TRANSLATE BACK AND FORTH. OKAY? NO, YOU HAVE TO RECORD THE TRANSLATION. WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEING RECORDED, BUT WE HAVE A MS. HUBACHEK, YOU HAVE A SHORT QUESTION. I BET. YES. THE QUESTION IS, THE FENCE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE IS, I KNOW WE'RE, I KNOW WE'RE FOR THE, I KNOW WE'RE FOR THE BLACK FENCE, BUT THE OTHER FENCE IS TALL TOO, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A STAFF QUESTION. YES. THAT, THAT FENCE IS PERMITTED HEIGHT BECAUSE IT'S MEETING OUR REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S NOT A NEW FENCE. SO THAT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS DISCUSSION. I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT I'M ASKING QUESTION. BUT IT'S A PERMITTED FENCE AT THAT HEIGHT, AT THAT LOCATION, OKAY? MM-HMM . AND MY QUESTION IS ALSO FOR STAFF. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT IS BEING, THE ONLY VARIANCE ON THIS IS THE HEIGHT IS IF HE WOULD HAVE BUILT A LEGALLY, UH, THE, A HEIGHT LEGAL FENCE, HE WOULD NOT BE BEFORE US. CORRECT? IT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S A FENCE THAT NEEDED A PERMIT AND NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE FRONT YARD. THAT WAS ALL. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY VARIANCE TO HEIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS A QUESTION I ASKED SALVADOR THERE BRIEFING WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE FOUR FEET, WE, UH, MS. RO, AND I'LL COME BACK TO MS. BAKER. IS THIS, UM, PART ONE OF THE FENCE? IS THERE GONNA ANOTHER FENCE BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE? WAS IT STOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION? OKAY, LET'S ASK THIS QUESTION MR. MOLINA. NO, IT'S OKAY. OKAY, SO TRANSLATE THAT. WHAT DO YOU HE SAID THAT FENCE, THAT WHITE FENCE. MM-HMM. WAS THERE BEFORE, BECAUSE I WAS EXPLAINING TO HIM WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING. SO IF YOU'LL ASK, UH, MS. ES A'S QUESTION WAS. YES. IS THIS COM A COMPLETED FENCE OR IS THERE ANOTHER FACE TO THIS WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT MORE STUFF TO IT? NO, IT'S FINISHED. WE'RE FINISHED WORKING ON IT. OKAY. THIS PART, IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR IS THIS THE ONLY FENCE OR IS OKAY? HE SAID YES. THAT THAT'S THE ONLY SIDE THAT HE'S DOING. UM, I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS GOING TO DO THE OTHER SIDE. HE SAID NO. NO. OKAY. HE, HE'S ONLY DOING THAT SIDE ON THERE. MM-HMM . UM, BUT HE WAS JUST EXPLAINING THAT 'CAUSE THIS FENCE IS LOWER THAN THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING, HE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT HE NEEDED A PERMIT FOR IT. MM-HMM . [00:25:01] OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF STAFF UP HERE? MR. BAKER, GO AHEAD SIR. IF YOU HAD TO MAKE IT FOUR FOOT VERSUS TEARING IT DOWN, WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH FOUR FOOT? I'LL, I'LL GO FOR JUST A MOMENT SO WE CAN GET THE TRANSLATION. YES. YEAH. UM, SO I ASKED HIM IF, IF HE'D BE HAPPY WITH THE FOUR FEET, UM, IF HE COULD DO IT, HE SAID HE COULD DO IT. UM, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE COSTLY FOR HIM TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO CONTACT THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HELPING HIM TO CUT DOWN THE, UH, THE MATERIAL. UM, OR HE MAY HAVE TO SPEND MATERIAL TO GET BRAND NEW ONES. 'CAUSE IT MAY JUST BE AS COSTLY TO CUT IT DOWN VERSUS BUYING A WHOLE NEW FENCING MATERIAL. MM-HMM . UM, SO I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT. IT, IF, IF HE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT, SAID ESSENTIALLY NO, BECAUSE HE'S HALF TO SPENDING MORE MONEY FOR THE NEW MATERIAL. SO WHAT HE WOULD LIKE IS FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT EXTRA FOOT AND SIX INCHES. OKAY. SO HE SAID YES JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE MONEY TO, UM, TO BUY THE NEW MATERIAL YET. UM, HE SAID THAT YES, HE WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO APPROVE HIS CASE FOR THAT FOOT AND THE EXTRA INCHES THAT ARE THERE. CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? GO AHEAD. MR. LEE, OF STAFF, WHAT ARE WE MEASURING AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT GOES? ARE WE MEASURING FROM THE GROUND? ARE WE MEASURING FROM THE TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL OR ARE WE MEASURING FROM UH, JUST THE FENCE PANEL ITSELF? THE MEASUREMENT IS FROM THE GROUND TO THE TOP OF THE FENCE, FROM THE GROUND TO THE TOP OF THE FENCE. THAT'S HOW THE UC DEFINES IT. SO THE FENCE ITSELF IS ABOUT FOUR FEET? IS ABOUT FOUR FEET. THOSE LOOK LIKE FOUR FEET PANELS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO. OKAY. DID YOU ASK HIM HOW ALL THOSE PANELS ARE? OKAY. OKAY. YES, HE'S SAYING THAT THE FENCE IS FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET, OKAY. HE SAID, BUT THE, THE HEIGHT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE IT'S SITTING ON TOP OF THE CONCRETE. AND I UNDERSTOOD TROIA, SO I'M PRETTY GOOD HERE. I'M TRANSLATING THE THING IS FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET WHERE? ONE ENO. OKAY. NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. IT DOES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE AND I'M GONNA, I GO AHEAD. IS IT UNEVEN? IS IT JUST MY EYES OR IS IT UNEVEN? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES. GOT IT. OKAY. I WAS LIKE, OKAY. I JUST LET HIM KNOW YOU ASKED. SO YOU GOTTA TELL ME THE LAST PARTY OKAY. THAT IT WAS BEING, THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING LOWERED. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN OR FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SINOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL DO THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HATE TO HAVE, I WOULD SAY A NICE LOOKING FENCE. IT'S, HAVE A QUESTION OVER PLEASE. NO, I HAVE, I HAVE DISCUSSION NOW. GO AHEAD. DISCUSSION. I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS FENCE. GO AHEAD. IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE SUCH A NICE JOB. IF THEY, IF HE WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THAT CONCRETE BASE IN BEING CLEAN, HE WOULD BE FINE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE HE PUT THAT CONCRETE BASE IN THE FENCE LOOKS, IT LOOKS VERY PROFESSIONALLY DONE AND IT WILL LAST A VERY LONG TIME. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH IT LEANING, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UM, AND SO, [00:30:01] YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR, UH, OF US, UM, ALLOWING THIS FENCE JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AND THAT TYPE OF THING. DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN ON DISCUSSIONS? LOOKS LIKE, LOOKS LIKE I HAVE. GO AHEAD, MR. YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT ON ALL OF THOSE. WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT IT IS IN AN HOA THAT DOES NOT, UH, AGREE WITH IT. THE PRESIDENT HAS STOOD UP FOR BASICALLY THE HOA, BUT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HAS RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR A REASON OUT FRONT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT IS VERY NICE, VERY GOOD QUALITY, I THINK THE, AS YOU SEE, YOU CAN'T SEE ABOVE THE TOP OF THE CARS FOR, FOR VIEWING OF CARS COMING DOWN THE STREET IS SEEING THAT THAT CAN HINDER THAT FROM A SAFETY ASPECT. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OF BOTH ASPECTS. I BELIEVE THEY DID A GREAT JOB. IT LOOKS VERY PROFESSIONAL, BUT I THINK THAT HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE FOOT MORE DOWN, YOU CAN SEE OVER THAT FROM THE TOP OF THE CAR IS A LITTLE BETTER THAN WHERE YOU'RE AT. AND SO, I MEAN, WHY IT'S ON ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW. I, I JUST IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST DON'T THINK IT WORKS. OH, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. YOU DO REALIZE THAT'S A SEE-THROUGH FENCE. RIGHT? I SEE. OKAY. I'M JUST CHECKING. , MR. RO. SO I WAS JUST GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE OPPOSITION, UM, LETTER. UH, BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY THE REASON WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF IT IS BECAUSE THE HOA, THE PERSON THAT'S IN OPPOSITION OF THIS IS SAYING THEY DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENCE WITH SOMEONE NOT GETTING A PERMIT BEFORE BUILDING THE FENCE. BUT I THINK IT'S REASONABLE IF THE HOMEOWNER HAS AN EXISTING FENCE THAT'S AT LEAST A FOOT OR TWO TALLER THAN WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE INSTALLED, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY OKAY THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT A PERMIT WAS REQUIRED. SO I, I DON'T WANNA, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I DON'T WANNA PENALIZE HIM BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET A PERMIT PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION. GOTCHA. I WOULD JUST SAY THE GENTLEMAN BOUGHT THE APPROPRIATE HACK FIT. TRUE. IF YOU PUT IT ON THAT BURN IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FINE. BUT TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, FAIR ENOUGH OPPOSITION THAT THE HOA PERSON HAS. THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY IT LOOKS OR, YOU KNOW, SAFETY OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T COME AND GET HIM PERMITTED. SO, SO THE LETTER FROM HOA IS JUST A CONCERN FOR FUTURE PEOPLE WITH PERMITS AND APPLICANTS. RIGHT. AND I, AND TO ME AS A PRESIDENT, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS, IS LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOW GUYS IF YOU WANNA BUILD A FENCE. WELL, AND THE REALITY IS WITH ZBA A WE'RE HEARING SPECIFIC CASES ON SPECIFIC PARCELS OF PROPERTY. MM-HMM . SO IT, THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE EFFECT OF CHANGING THE ENTIRE RULES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE UNIVERSITY CODE. THIS IS FOR ONE PER PARCEL. UH, MR. EBITDA, GO AHEAD SIR. YES. UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION, I THINK, UM, USUALLY IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN ENGINEERING TO DO YOUR WORK HABIT ARBITRARY. THE KEY THING IN ANY ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION WORK IS THE INITIAL PLANNING. ALL RIGHT. THE DRAWING. SO THE, FOR ME, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES WHATSOEVER TO EXCEED IF THE PLANNING HAS BEEN DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MAKE A REBUTTAL ABOUT THE HOA. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW OF THAT BEFORE WE HERE COME ON DOWN. SMITH, COME ON BACK. CASH DOWN HERE. SEE? GO AHEAD SIR. THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE HOA MM-HMM . AND YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. SHORT, SHORT SENTENCE. OKAY. AND SHE'LL TRANSLATE TOO MANY. OKAY. SO HE'S SAYING THE HOA UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. LEMME MAKE SURE I'M MAKING, UH, SORRY. NO [00:35:01] THEM OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, 'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S SAYING THAT, THAT THE HOA DOES UNDERSTAND WHY THE HOAS IS AGAINST THAT WHEN THEY, HE'S NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY. HE'S INSIDE HIS PROPERTY. UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS CARS THAT ARE IN THE STREET. UM, THINGS ON, UH, THAT NATURE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS TO HI DANIELLE TO HIS REBUTTAL. OKAY. OKAY. HE JUST, UH, SAYING THAT HE PAYS THE HOA MM-HMM . UM, HE SAID HE IS NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY. HE'S WITHIN HIS PROPERTY, SO HE'S JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDN'T APPROVE THE DEPARTMENT OR HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS GENTLEMAN UP HERE? IF NOT GRA SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. P. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE FOR STAFF? MS. ACHE? I WOULD'VE TO SAY TOO, I AGREE THAT IT, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO MOAN AND WEED EATING, YOU'LL BE WEED EATING THAT BRICK. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY GONNA KEEP IT, 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, UH, WHEN YOU PUT A FENCE LIKE THAT ON GRASS LEVEL, PEOPLE DON'T MAINTAIN IT AT ALL. IT, THERE'S GRASS GROWING IN BETWEEN THE FENCE AND BETWEEN THE THINGS. SO I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, WHEREAS THE LOOKS OF IT, I THINK THE WEEDING THROUGH THE WINTER, SUMMERTIME WILL BE BETTER AND THERE WON'T BE GRASS GROWING THROUGH THE THING. AND I JUST THINK IT LOOKS NICE AND I, I AGREE. I THINK HE DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE THE OTHER FENCE IS HIGH. MM-HMM . BUT WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY OPINION. THE OTHER FENCE IS, IT CAN BE AS, IT CAN BE PROBABLY A YEAH. THAT, THAT TECHNICALLY IS A SIDE YARD FENCE, THAT OTHER FENCE. BUT THAT'S NOT GERMANE TO THIS CASE. I GOT IT. I GOT IT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IT. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON THIS. I TOO THINK IT'S A NICE FENCE AND I THINK IT LOOKS CLEAN. THAT WOULDN'T BE REALLY THAT TORE UP WITH IT NEXT TO ME. MR. OPPO, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR STATEMENTS, BUT I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT IT WASN'T A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER. SO IT MAY BE A BIT OF, YOU MIGHT BE A STERN TASKMASTER ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. 'CAUSE I, I, YOU DON'T WANNA WATCH ME TRY TO DO A PROJECT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH END OF THE HAMMER TO HOLD. SO, UH, BUT, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT. ALL WE CAN DO NOW IS CALL THE VOTE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SEVEN TO APPROVE. ANYBODY ELSE? NOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2312 DASH 0 7 5. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE AN AUDIBLE SECOND FOR MR. WHITEFORD. SO HE'S A NEW GUY. WE'LL BE NICE TO HIM. HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER, A SECOND FROM MR. WHITE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'LL CALL A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE ONE AND A HALF FOOT VARIANCE. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. SO I CAN COUNT 'EM, LEAVE 'EM UP. 1, 2, 3, 4. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL OPPOSE SAME SIGN PLEASE. ONE, TWO BY COUNT OF SEVEN TO TWO. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS BOARD. WHEN WE HAVE NINE PEOPLE HERE AND EVERYBODY GETS A FAIR SHOT, EVERYBODY CAN VOTE AND VOTE THE WAY THEY WANT AND NOBODY GETS CHEATED ON MATH. SO IT IS APPROVED. SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THIS CASE. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON CITIZEN COMMENTS OTHER THAN MS. MOLINA AND CASH? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE STANDS AND CASH WANTS TO GIVE A SPEECH TO KILL, BUT THIS WILL CONCLUDE. YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? NO, SORRY. YOU'RE JUST WANDERING AROUND. YOU'RE JUST UP AND ABOUT. OKAY. UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE US GUYS, STAY WARM. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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