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PHONE MEETING TO ORDER.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, STAFF PRESENTATIONS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, TERM LIMITS, UM, LIMITS.
I THINK WE'LL JUST START OFF WITH KURT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.
LET'S JUST HEAR, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, BUDDY.
UM, I RECEIVED A COUPLE CALLS RECENTLY, LIKE YESTERDAY AND TODAY THAT
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, WHERE WAS THE CITY ESTABLISHED? DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA? WHEN THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE ESTABLISHED WHAT YEAR, THE BEST I CAN FIND WAS 1863.
NOW, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT NOW WE HAVE TWO.
NOW, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT TERM LIMITS, WE DON'T NEED THEM.
WE NEED TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT WAS AND KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
AND WE WENT TO THE JIM CROW ERA.
WE COME OUT OF THAT AND WE'RE GONNA BE A PROGRESSIVE CITY.
WE TALK ABOUT BEING A PROGRESSIVE TERM.
WE GET RID OF ANY POTENTIAL CORRUPTION WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE IT, BUT SOME THINGS DO.
SOME THINGS IN THE PAST HAVE RAISED MY EYEBROWS ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH, IN THE PAST, I'M NOT, HAVE NOT BROUGHT THAT UP.
SOME THINGS HAVE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT I SEE THAT THERE'S, IT CONCERNS ME AS A LEADER GETTING AWAY FROM CAREER POLITICIANS.
EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT WE DON'T WANT CAREER POLITICIANS.
WE DON'T WANT CAREER POLITICIANS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A CAREER POLITICIAN? 20 YEARS ON THE COUNCIL, SIX YEARS ON THE COUNCIL, 12 YEARS ON THE COUNCIL, TRY TO GET AWAY WITH NEPOTISM.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.
SO TERM LIMITS WILL BRING IN ALSO NEW, FRESH IDEAS FROM SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN BEHIND US.
YOU ALSO LOSE THE STRENGTH OF SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE 30 YEARS, BUT ALSO YOU GET AWAY FROM THAT POWER AND CONTROL FROM SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN 20, 30 YEARS BECAUSE THEY'RE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING EVERY SO OFTEN WHERE THE CITIZENS DECIDE, REMEMBER, WE ARE NOT DECIDING TONIGHT IF WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH IT.
WE ARE DECIDING TONIGHT IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THE CITIZENS AGREEING PRAIRIE TO VOTE ON THIS.
SO WHETHER WE SUPPORT SUPPORTED OR NOT, OUR VOTE IS FOR WHETHER THE CITIZENS SHOULD, THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THIS.
AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HERE DON'T LIKE IT.
IT COULD HURT SOME FOLKS' CAREERS AS A CAREER POLITICIAN OR MOVING FORWARD DOWN THE LINE.
WE HAVE TERM LIMITS 160 YEARS.
THE COUNCIL IN THE PAST HAD THE COURAGE TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS.
LET'S DO IT EVERY THREE YEARS.
IT TOOK SOME COURAGE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS A SOFTBALL THAT WAS THROWN AT ME BECAUSE IT BENEFITED THE SYSTEM 160 YEARS.
NOW YOU HAVE, FOR THE FIRST TIME, SIX MINORITIES ON THE COUNCIL.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE, AND LARGE SEATS WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT.
SO 160 YEARS, IT TOOK 157 TO GET FOUR MINORITIES ON THE, ON THE COUNCIL.
AND WE WERE ALL TOLD THAT WE ARE EVENTUALLY GET ON THE COUNCIL AND WE BELIEVE WE NEED MINORITIES ON THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE UP OUR SEATS.
SO WITH TWO AT LARGE SEATS AT THAT TIME WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR TWO PEOPLE TO WIN.
AND IF YOU HAD TERMED THEM OUT, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE HAD MINORITIES ON THE COUNCIL EARLIER.
SO THE BOTH OF THEM GO HAND IN HAND TOGETHER.
SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL.
I'VE ASKED THE STAFF TO PROVIDE ME THE MINUTES THAT THE PRIOR COUNCILS HAVE DISCUSSED THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, READ THEIR DISCUSSIONS, WHY THEY DECIDE TO DO IT OR NOT TO DO IT.
IF THEY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT, IT'S 160 YEARS LATER.
IF THE CITY WAS TRULY ESTABLISHED IN 1863, AND HERE WE ARE IN TWENTY TWENTY THREE, A HUNDRED SIXTY YEARS LATER, DISCUSSING TERM LIMITS.
THERE ARE PROS AND CONS ON BOTH SIDES OF ARGUMENT.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL, THIS BODY RIGHT HERE TO VOTE ON, TO ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON WHAT THEY WANT.
LET'S LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE IF
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THEY WANT TERM LIMITS ON THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT TO ME.
DON'T APPLY TO TERM LIMITS, BUT, UM, THINGS THAT YOU'VE MADE, ACCUSATIONS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT THAT HERE FOR PROS RIGHT NOW, TISM, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TERM LIMITS AND YOU, YOU SAID YOUR PIECE.
I, I, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL, UH, COMMITTEE THAT WAS LOOKED AT THE THREE YEAR AND THE CURRENT MAKE UP OF THE COUNCIL, I WAS JUST HAD JUST COME ON.
AND THEY HAD DISCUSSED IN THE COMMITTEE THAT CAME FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WHETHER TO PUT TERM LIMITS ON THE BALLOT.
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED NOT DOING IT AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S BEEN 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.
UH, I'M OPPOSED TO TURN LIMITS.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THEM.
I THINK THAT DATA SHOWS THAT, UH, OUR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN SMART ENOUGH AND WISE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE DECISION THEY WANT TO OVER TIME.
WE'VE GOT SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING AT THIS, AT THIS TABLE RIGHT NOW THAT ALL BEAT INCUMBENTS.
FOUR OF 'EM SITTING AT THIS TABLE AT LESS THAN ONE TURN.
THERE'S ONLY TWO AT THE TABLE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMSON AND I THAT HAVE NINE OR MORE.
I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A CAREER POLITICIAN.
I CONSIDER MYSELF A CAREER SERVANT.
IF I WANTED TO BE A CAREER POLITICIAN TO MAKE MONEY, I WOULD'VE TRIED TO GO TO DC.
YOU CAN'T EVEN, I MEAN, SO I'M A I'M A CAREER SERVANT.
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, ALL OF, TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO DO OUR JOBS.
I THINK THAT IF YOU DO SEND THIS TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE OF RECENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN WASHINGTON, THE GENERAL PUBLIC ARE AUTOMATICALLY GONNA SAY, WELL, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TURN LIMITS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SENATORS FREEZE AND THE GUYS CAN'T EVEN MAKE A MOTION.
AND AUTOMATICALLY THEY SAY, WELL, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.
OUR CITIZENS ARE WISE ENOUGH TO DECIDE WHEN THEY NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE, WHICH THEY HAVE.
AGAIN, FOUR OF US SITTING AT THIS TABLE HAVE BEEN HERE LESS THAN THREE YEARS.
IF YOU GIVE THE WHOLE CITY THE VOTE TO GO TURN LIMITS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REMOVING CHOICES.
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE ARGUMENT THAT I THINK PROVES THAT DISTRICT ONE, LET'S JUST SAY DISTRICT ONE OR DISTRICT TWO, PICK PICK, PICK ONE OF THE TWO OR ANOTHER ONE.
THEY LOVE WHO THEY HAVE, DON'T WANT TERM LIMITS AND VOTE FOR NO TERM LIMITS.
BUT THE OTHER DISTRICTS, WELL, I'D RATHER GET RID OF THAT GUY, BUT DON'T WANNA VOTE AGAINST THEM.
AND THE GENERAL POPULATION VOTES FAR TERM LIMITS.
THEY'RE REMOVING DISTRICT ONE'S OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP OR CHANGE THEIR WILL.
AND THE WHOLE CITY HAS IMPOSED THAT WILL ON DISTRICT ONE.
OUR DISTRICT TWO ARE PICK LINES.
UH, THE DATA SHOWS AND YOUR DATA GUY GOOGLE EVERYTHING.
THE DATA SHOWS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO IMPROVEMENT IN GOVERNANCE IN CITIES THAT HAVE TURNED LIMITS.
YOU COMPARE THE COUNCIL IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BETTER.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE.
WELL, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS DATA THAT SHOWS TERM LIMITS DON'T REALLY HELP.
BUT THAT'S MY, I THINK YOU CLEAN THE FAR YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CHANCE IN A MINUTE.
I'M JUST SAYING I'M AGAINST IT.
I DON'T THINK OUR CITY NEEDS IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE CHARTER FOR 160 YEARS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA START DOING EVERY ITEM AND SAY, WELL, THAT NEEDS TO COME UP TO A VOTE.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE TIME WHEN ANYBODY'S COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAYS, WE NEED TERM LIMITS.
THERE'S NO PETITION'S EVER BEEN STARTED.
I'VE RECEIVED LOTS OF EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES.
MAYOR, I DO NOT SUPPORT TERM LIMITS.
SO I'VE GIVEN YOU MY FEELINGS.
UH, THEY DON'T AGREE WITH YOURS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSS DISCUSSION.
I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH Y'ALLS.
AND YOU LOOK AT THE TERM LIMIT THING.
YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY YOU DISAGREE WITH.
160 YEARS, IT TOOK 157 YEARS TO GET FOUR MINORITIES ON
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THE COUNCIL.THOSE TERM LIMITS WOULD'VE GIVEN OTHER FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN, TO PARTICIPATE.
AND INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL SOMEONE EITHER PASSED AWAY ON THE COUNCIL OR DECIDE NOT TO RUN ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS BEYOND THE COUNCIL, BEYOND THE MAYOR C THIS IS AN ARGUMENT THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA WIN AMONGST EACH OTHER.
IF IT, THE DATA SHOWS THAT YOU LOOK AT FOR GOOGLE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO WHY NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE THE CHANGE? WELL, KURT, LET ME MENTION THAT THE REASON IT MAY HAVE TAKEN THAT MANY YEARS IS BECAUSE THE DEMOGRAPHICS TOOK THAT MANY YEARS TO CHANGE.
I THINK OUR DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED SINCE I GOT ON MAYOR.
WHEN I WAS MAYOR, WE WERE A 50 50 TOWN.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY A 70 30 TOWN.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT RS AND DS WE'RE A MAJORITY MINORITY TOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME, I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED, I WOULD EXPECT OUR CITIZENS TO VOTE.
AS THE DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGED AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT OUR DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED THIS PAST FEW ELECTIONS, WE'VE ELECTED TWO MINORITIES AT LARGE, WHICH SHOWS OUR CITIZENS ARE, HAVE, HAVE CHANGED.
AND THEY, THEY, AND WE GOT TWO GREAT MINORITIES THAT ARE ON THE COUNCIL.
THE DEMOGRAPHICS MAY CHANGE FURTHER AND OTHERS MAY GET ELECTED.
THERE WAS A ASIAN FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER ELECTED IN ARLINGTON AT LARGE.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY MINORITY ASIAN COMMUNITY.
BUT HE WORKED HIS, YOU KNOW WHAT OFF AND WAS ACCEPTED BY ALL PEOPLE THE FIRST TIME EVER.
HE HAD WE THEY HAVE AN ASIAN, WE MAY GET AN ASIAN SOMETIME.
SO, UM, I SEE YOU'VE GOT YOUR HAND UP COUNCIL MEMBER ZANU.
AND THANK YOU KURT FOR BRINGING THIS, UM, TO THE COUNCIL TO BE DEBATED.
I THINK IT'S REALLY AN INTERESTING TOPIC.
UH, SOMEONE THAT STUDIED POLITICAL SCIENCE AND UM, WAS A SCHOLAR WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS.
MY PERSPECTIVE ON TERM LIMITS HAS CHANGED.
DURING MY TIME AT UTAI CAME IN, I'M VERY PROGRESSIVE AS YOU KNOW.
I CAME IN THINKING THAT TERM LIMITS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS POSITIVE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU HEAR IN THE ECHO CHAMBER OF CERTAIN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES.
BUT WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY, TERM LIMITS NEVER ACCOMPLISH THE INTENTION.
LET'S START FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
WHEN IT COME DOWN TO THE CITY, IF YOU INSTITUTED FEDERAL, FEDERAL TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PIPELINE, THE SAME POLITICIANS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAME MONETARY INTEREST, SAME PRIVATE INTERESTS THAT WILL DRIVE THE SAME POLITICIANS TO SERVE IN VERY DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS.
YOU'LL HAVE DEMOCRATS SERVING LIKE WHERE JASMINE CROCKER'S DISTRICT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME KIND OF DEMOCRAT IN THAT DISTRICT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME KIND OF REPUBLICAN DISTRICT, BUT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE SAME INTEREST BEHIND IT.
YOU STILL HAVE GRIDLOCK BECAUSE OF PARTIES AND POLITICS COME DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL.
THE SAME THING ON THE CITY LEVEL IS, IS GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOSE IS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF COUNCIL AND HOW GOVERNMENT IS RAN.
WHENEVER YOU INSTITUTE TERM LIMITS, NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE HAD IT, YOU'LL NOW ALLOW THE BUREAUCRATS ON FEDERAL LEVEL, FEDERAL AGENCIES ON THE CITY LEVEL, CITY MANAGER, CITY STAFF TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S NO, THE DECISIONS WILL NOT BE MADE BY YOUR POLICY MAKERS.
THEY'LL BE MADE BY PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THE INTRICATE, THE INTRICACIES OF, UH, POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT AT THAT LEVEL.
ANOTHER THING THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE IS REMOVING CHOICE FROM VOTERS.
I THINK IF I'M SERVING WELL AND VOTERS WANNA KEEP ME FROM 22 YEARS OLD TO 70, THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.
OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE 2270, BUT THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.
WELL, I DON'T THINK SO
WE SHOULD NOT GO AND TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT OF THE VOTER TO KEEP A CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE.
IF I'M THE VOTER'S CHOICE AND THEY WANT TO KEEP, KEEP ME IN THERE.
'CAUSE I'M DOING MY JOB OF ACTING IN THE COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WHAT IS TERM LIMITS MIS ACCOMPLISHED? ALL YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU AND ME, ALL ELECTED AND BEAT INCUMBENTS.
THE INCUMBENTS USUALLY RAISED MORE MONEY THAN WE DID.
THEY USUALLY HAD MORE CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY DEBT THAN WE DID.
BUT WHAT DID WE DO? WE KNOCKED ON SOME DOORS.
WE WERE STRATEGIC AND WE DEFEATED THEM.
SO WHAT THIS TERM LIMIT IS ACCOMPLISH IN THAT? ARE WE SAYING THAT WE NEEDED A HANDOUT, WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED THEM TO REMOVE SOMEBODY THAT WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME TO GIVE US A CHANCE? NO.
AND THREE OF US GOT IT DONE ON OUR FIRST TRY FOR COUNCIL.
SO I, I CAN'T SEE AN ARGUMENT AND I WILL ASK MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS.
IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
AND THE LAST PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH TERM LIMITS THIS IS THAT IT NOW MOVES CITY GOVERNANCE AND ANY GOVERNANCE ON ANY LEVEL TO A SHORT TERM BASIS WHERE PEOPLE TRY TO GET THINGS DONE VERY QUICKLY WITHOUT THINKING LONG TERM.
IT'S NO LONGER VISION AND PLANNING.
IT'S NOW WHAT CAN I ACCOMPLISH SO I CAN GO TELL MY VOTERS AND
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PUT ME BACK IN HERE SO I CAN SERVE HOWEVER MANY TERMS I'M GIVEN.INSTEAD OF THINKING, OKAY, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.
I'M GONNA GET THINGS DONE AT A PEACEFUL APPROACH AND TRY TO BUILD UP TO A GREATER GOAL.
RATHER, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO DO, IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE VERY FRACTIONALIZED 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE WITHIN A SHORT ALLOTTED PERIOD OF TIME.
ALLOW VOTERS TO MAKE DECISIONS AS THEY'VE DONE.
I THINK VOTERS ARE VERY BRILLIANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE.
LET THE VOTERS CHOOSE, LET THE VOTERS VOTE AND MAKE THAT DECISION.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT LET THE VOTERS CHOOSE NEXT, MIKE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING RIGHT HERE.
LET THE VOTERS VOTE IF THEY WANT TURN MEMBERS.
THIS IS, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP.
YOU UNDERSTAND? BEEN BROUGHT TWO POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS.
THAT VOTERS THAT HEAR A, A, UH, A MESSAGING TOOL, WHICH IS TERMINALS.
AND LOOK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, LOOK AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHO THEY DON'T LIKE IN GOVERNMENT.
GREG ABBOTT CAN BE THERE FOR THE NEXT 30 OR 40 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE SOME VOTERS, LIKE I DON'T WANT GREG ABBOTT THERE ANYMORE.
SO THEY USE THAT SAME MINDSET.
THEY ATTRIBUTE IT TO THEIR LOCAL LEVEL, WHICH IS NONPARTISAN, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
BUT THOSE SAME MENTALITIES, WHY VOTE PART HERE? THEY QUANTIFY YOU LOOKING AT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT AVERAGE.
I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING ONE AT A TIME.
THE AVERAGE VOTER THAT LIVES IN THIS CITY CAN'T NAME THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN'T NAME THEIR MAYOR.
YEAH, BUT THEY CAN NAME, THEY CAN NAME THEIR GOVERNOR AND THEY'RE GONNA ATTRIBUTE THE SAME POLITICAL INSTINCTS TO THE LOCAL LEVEL.
AND THEY SAY, RICH, THEY KNOW THEIR PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE JOE BIDEN OR THEY DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
THEY'RE GONNA ATTRIBUTE THAT SAME MINDSET TO THE LOCAL LEVEL.
AND YOU KNOW, AS WELL, A MINDSET, THOSE VOTERS WHERE THEY FOCUS ON THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS, NOT THE LOCAL ELECTIONS.
AND WE KNOW AS WELL AS ANYBODY THAT IT HAPPENS HERE, BUT, UH, I DISAGREE.
YOU LOSE CORPORATE KNOWLEDGE WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES AFTER 12 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE IT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LOST THAT MUCH.
WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CITY MANAGER.
YOU HAVE A STAFF THAT'S WORKING THOSE PROJECTS KNOW WHERE WE AT TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED IN A SENSE.
WE'RE SAYING THAT IF WE HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE, IF A, A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN'T DO 30 YEARS BECAUSE THE STAFF IS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING IT WITHOUT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO, SO SHOULD CITY MANAGER BE MAYOR? SHOULD THE CITY MANAGER BE THE POLICY? CAN YOU, WILL YOU GIMME THE SAME RESPECT I GAVE YOU? SHOULD THEY BE THE POLICYMAKER THAT'S JUNIOR.
WILL YOU GIVE THAT'S ALL I I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY.
HE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE THE POLICYMAKER.
AND WE WITNESSED HOW POLICY WERE FORMULATED HERE IN THE CITY.
WE WITNESSED THAT GOOD AND BAD POLICY THAT THEY TOOK AMONG THEMSELVES TO MAKE POLICY IN WHICH THE COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO BE THE POLICY MAKERS.
THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.
AND I, I FEEL CONFIDENT SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CITY MANAGER AND A GREAT STAFF COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER, WHEN A POLICY THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON A BEST CITY OR ANYONE'S WORKING ON AND YOUR TERMED OUT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD SPEAK TO THE NEW INCUMBENT AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND, AND PASS THAT CHARGE ONTO THE NEXT PERSON.
AND THE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE AT ON HERE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT'S IN THESE.
WE CAME TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT A CLUE WITH, THEY WERE DISCUSSING.
WE HAD TO MAKE, WE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS IN 2021.
SO THERE, I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE IF WE SHOULD OR WE SHOULDN'T.
I'M BROUGHT IT HERE FOR YOU TO DECIDE IF THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE ON THE DAAS.
AND YOU SAY WHY YOU VOTE FOR IT, YES OR NO.
WE NEVER REQUIRE ANYBODY TO SAY WHY OR NOT.
I'M NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT TONIGHT.
I I THINK IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT OURSELVES THAT, HEY, WE'LL BE OUT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS WILL VOTE FOR IT.
SO WE'RE ONLY HERE, WE HAVE A SHELF FLY.
UH, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S GONNA GET RID OF THINGS BEING VERY STAGNANT.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS UTTERLY B******T.
OKAY? I'VE ASKED YOU MANY TIMES TO STAY ON A LOCAL LEVEL, WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING? JUST LIKE ALL THAT.
YOU DIDN'T, YOU, YOU WEREN'T ON THE COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENED ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU WROTE HOTELS TO GET HERE.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHO'S SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS KEEP
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IT, KEEP I RIGHT.WHO'S TELLS, DID I WRITE THE NUMBERS? LIKE YOU SAID GOOGLE.
I WROTE, SO WE'LL SEE IN 2024.
WHO'S I RIGHT? DOESN'T MATTER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, LET'S STICK TO THE POINT HERE, BUT THIS IS JUST, ALL IT IS, IS TO GET RID OF THINGS BEING STAGNANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT PAST COUNCILS AND YOU HAVEN'T LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH AND YOU HAVEN'T GROWN UP HERE LONG ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WERE 40 YEARS AGO, WHERE WE WERE 30 YEARS AGO, AND WHERE WE'RE NOW, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE.
YOU HAVEN'T LIVED THAT I ON 24.
WHAT I TELL YOU, THIS DECISION ARE MADE ON GOODNESS.
WE CAN HAVE A WHOLE DEBATE ON THAT.
DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE ON THIS LEVEL HAVE FEDERAL IMPLICATIONS, HAVE STATE IMPLICATIONS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ALL INTERTWINED.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT UNITED STATE LOCAL.
WHEN YOU GO TO, ALL I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO HAVE GUYS KNOW, GENTLEMEN, WE GOING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRYING TO RECEIVE THAT MONEY.
WHAT WE'RE ALL WE'RE TRYING TO EXACTLY.
AND THESE THINGS SHARE SIMILARITIES.
YOU DO SHARE SIMILAR ON A MICRO LEVEL, YOU CAN BE A MICRO BRAIN.
I LOOK AT EVERYTHING, HOW IT'S ALL CONNECTED TOGETHER.
OKAY? SO JUST LOOK HERE ON THE LOCAL LEVEL.
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT.
HE'LL LOOK AT IT THE WAY HE WANTS TO.
I'LL, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO.
I'LL LOOK AT IT THE WAY I WANT TO.
I, I THINK, UH, LET'S LEAVE IT OPEN TO OTHERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK.
UH, PART OF THE REASON I COME TO COUNCIL AND AND LIKE BEING INVOLVED IS, IS PROBLEM SOLVING.
AND UM, MAN, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM AS I LOOK AROUND AND SEE, REPEAT IT AGAIN.
I CAN GO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
EIGHT, NINE AND 21 IS A 12 YEARS.
YOU BEAT A FIVE YEAR INCUMBENT.
THAT'S WITHIN TWO, TWO TERMS. FORGIVE ME, EIGHT.
BASICALLY BEAT A NINE YEAR INCUMBENT.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL WITHIN 10 YEARS OF AN INCUMBENCY THAT PEOPLE ARE BEAT ALONG WITH THE CITY BLASTING FORWARD IN DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING THINGS HAPPEN.
MINORITY MAJORITY COUNCIL, I'M KIND OF FRUSTRATED THAT WE'RE SPENDING 25 MINUTES ON HERE WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WE CAN BE SOLVING AND TERM LIMITS.
IT JUST HASN'T SEEMED TO BE ONE OF 'EM.
SO THAT'S MY ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER? CLEMSON? YES, SIR.
UM, JUST BEING A GOOD LISTENER.
UM, AND TO ADD ON TO THAT, I, MY PERSPECTIVE IS THE CITY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WE'RE VERY BLESSED AS A CITY.
I LOVE THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE ADDED TO THE COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE DID 165 YEARS AGO.
IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND UM, ALONG WITH WHAT COLE SAID, IT'S WHAT, UH, ROY OR USED TO SAY ALL THE TIME, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
AND SEE THAT'S WHERE THE RUB COMES IN.
SOME OF US THINK IT AIN'T BROKE AND THEN SOME OF US THINK IT IS, BECAUSE WHEN I HEARD TERMS LIKE CLEAR THE SWAMP, NEPOTISM AND STAGNANT, I DON'T THINK THAT APPLIES TO ME OR THE MAYOR.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE THE ONES THAT IT WOULD AFFECT THE MOST.
SO I'M JUST GIVING IT TO YOU FROM MY STANDPOINT THAT I THINK THAT IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
AND I THINK, UM, THAT MY DISTRICT CAN CONTINUE TO DECIDE WHO LEADS THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BUT MAYOR PROTON.
UM, I THINK IT'S A TOPIC THAT GETS BROUGHT UP EVERY SINGLE ELECTION SECOND, EVERY SINGLE ELECTION CYCLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT APPROACH YOU AND SAY IT AND, AND YOU EDUCATE PEOPLE AND YOU TELL 'EM THE DIFFERENCES.
AND SO IT'S A TOPIC, UM, THAT GETS BROUGHT UP QUITE OFTENLY.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS ARE UNKNOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS WAS A DISCUSSION TOPIC, I THINK THERE'D BE A LOT MORE EMPHASIS.
I I'M STILL WAITING FOR STAFF'S PRESENTATION OR IF THERE'S EVEN STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
AND DOING MY INDEPENDENT RESEARCH HERE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, CITIES AROUND US, IT JUST VARIES.
I MEAN, YOU CAN BE TERMED OUT AND
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YOU NEVER RUN FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.YOU HAVE TO WAIT A FULL TERM TO RUN AGAIN.
SOME ARE
IF YOU RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, THEN YOU RUN FOR MAYOR, BUT THEN YOU REACH THE 12 YEAR MARK.
IF IT ADDS UP TO GIVE, THEN YOU GOTTA HUGE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT THERE FOR 12 YEARS OR SOONER.
SO TO ME, I THINK ALL THOSE DETAILS HAVE TO BE KNOWN BECAUSE IF IT DOES GO BEFORE VOTERS, THEY'RE GOING WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND TONIGHT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE'RE THERE YET.
I THINK IT, IF THERE IS A DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK ALL THE DETAILS OUT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT TO, TO MAKE, MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS ON THAT.
UM, CURRENT NUMBERS IS JUST REAL BROAD.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, AND, AND THERE'S MOTIONS, LIKE WELL, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET, WHEN YOU RUN, YOU GET TURNED UP.
BUT ALSO WHEN YOU GET INDIVIDUALS THAT'S BEEN HERE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE A PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT'S INCORRECT.
YOU KNOW, IS THIS PERSON, YOU KNOW, GETTING ANY TYPE OF TREATMENT, UM, HOW THEY, HOW THEY'RE GETTING, UM, ANY TYPE OF ADDITIONAL SERVICES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THE TRAVEL EXPENSES LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO THE RECIPE? SO YOU START LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SEE HOW THEY COORDINATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THEN YOU START ASKING, OKAY, IF SOMEONE'S HERE 30 YEARS AND THE TRAVEL EXPENSES LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN AND WHEN IN MY RACE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOME COMMUNICATION I WAS GOING AROUND BECAUSE I KIND OF FELT LIKE WE WERE, THERE WERE SERVICES BEING DONE BY THE CITY AT THE TIME WHERE OTHER CITIZENS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ACCESS.
YOU KNOW? AND I JUST FELT THAT THAT WASN'T APPROPRIATE.
BUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL YOU COULD JUST DECIDE NOT TO RUN NO MORE.
AND YOU COULD DO YOUR OWN TERM LIMIT TOO AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M DONE.
SO TO ME IT'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IF, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I I, I THINK THAT TO ME TONIGHT, YOU ACTUALLY VOTED UP AND DOWN.
IF I VOTED AGAINST IT, IT'S JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAYOR, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF WE VOTE, KURT WOULD LIKE TO VOTE UP.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO VOTE DOWN.
AND IF WE VOTED UP, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND COME BACK TO VOTE ON THE DETAILS.
AND I SEE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
DO WE EVEN WANT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS? SO I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS, BUT TONIGHT IS WHETHER WE WANT TO GO INTO THE DETAILS.
I THINK IT, IT IS REALLY FOR, DO WE WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE CITIZENS? THERE'S NO DE I HAVE NO DETAILS WITH YOU.
NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE DETAILS TO GO TO THE CITIZENS.
SO WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH HOW THE, HOW THE, I DON'T IF YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING.
TONIGHT'S VOTE IS ALL WE GONNA TAKE TO THE CITIZENS VOTE, RIGHT? YES, MA.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE TO 'EM.
IT'D BE TERM LIMITS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TERMS OF EXACTLY.
THIS, THAT'S THE VOTE TONIGHT.
IT IS THREE NINES OR WHATEVER THAT WE'RE JUST VOTING IN PRINCIPLE.
DO WE WANT TERM LIMITS OR NOT? THANK THE MAYOR.
AND THE LAST POINT IS, YES SIR.
SO IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CHARTER AND SEE WHAT ELSE CAN SENSE COUNCIL MEMBER HEAD.
UM, SO ALONG WITH JOHN, WITH THE UNDER STACKED PRESENTATIONS, I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING MORE TO SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE, SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING SHORT TERM RENTALS HERE AT THIS TABLE, WE HAD CHARTS AND SPREADSHEETS AND SOMETHING MORE TO GO OFF OF THAN OPINIONS.
UM, WELL THIS CAME UP REAL QUICK.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBER BY OUR CHARTER CAN ANSWER ANYTHING TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO THIS WAS REQUESTED TO PEOPLE BE PUT ON THE AGENDA, JUST LIKE KURT JUST MENTIONED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO GO TO THE VOTERS WITH NOT TO COME UP WITH THE DETAILS.
THE MOTION TONIGHT, IF YOU LOOK, WOULD BE, WE WOULD DIRECT ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO GET BACK WITH US WITH OPTIONS IF IT'S APPROVED TO GO FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WAS YOUR PLANS AND THAT'S WHAT I GUESS, UH, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS BEFORE VOTING RATHER THAN VOTING AND THEN FIGURE OUT, I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? I THINK IT'S BAD WORDS POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE, UH, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS? YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS. MY QUESTION IS JUST WHY NOW? WHY NOW? UM, WHY NOW? I DON'T KNOW.
EXCUSE BRINGS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
WHY NOW? I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT NOW.
UH, WHY NOW? WHY WASN'T IT 20 YEARS AGO?
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SO WHEN THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, IF NOT NOW, 20 YEARS AGO.IT'S BEEN 160 YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
IF NOT NOW, THEN WHEN, MAYBE NEVER SEE THE POINT IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE NO GOOD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TURN LIMITS.
I I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, IT'S, UM, I THINK THAT SO VOTERS WANT THAT TURN LIMITS AND WE SHOULD BRING THAT TO THEM.
I THINK THE VOTERS HAVEN'T BEEN TELLING US THEY WANT TURN LIMITS AND THAT'S WHY WOULD YES.
I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IN DISTRICT SIX WHEN I KNOCKED ON DOORS, AND WE KNOW THAT'S LESS THAN 6% OF THE, THE VOTER POPULATION REGISTER VOTERS TO VOTE.
THEY ASKED, HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT TERM LIMITS? CAN YOU GET TERM LIMITS? JUNIOR KNOWS IN, IN 2021.
WHAT DID I SAY FROM THE FIRST DAY I MET KURT JOHNSON? IT'S NOT NEW.
YEAH, HE, OH, I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS NEWER.
KURT MORRIS TERM LIMITS AND GET RID OF ATMAR SEATS.
I'M GONNA GUESSING WE STILL FRIENDS.
DEPENDS ON WHAT DAY IS MAKING
ANYBODY ELSE? I GUESS I WANT TO, IF I CAN.
I JUST WANNA KNOW, AGAIN, BACK TO THE WHY NOW YOU'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL SINCE 2021.
WHY WASN'T IT BROUGHT UP THEN? WE HAD OTHER THINGS WASN'T IT BROUGHT UP OTHER PRIORITIES I WAS WORKING ON.
WE HAVE, AND WHAT I I SAY RIGHT NOW AT COOLING OFF HERE, WE'RE COMING DOWN ON SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE ONE, I WAS RAMPING UP TO LEARN MY DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITY AS COUNCIL MEMBER TO ENSURE I'M DOING IT CORRECTLY.
AND NOW WE HAD SOME PROJECTS THAT'S GOING ON AND NOW WE WE'RE COMING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHY NOT NOW? SO WHEN WOULD WE BE? DO YOU, I'M GOOD.
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.
I MEAN, IT MAY NOT ADEQUATELY, BUT THAT ANYBODY ELSE? ONE MORE HARD QUESTION FOR KURT.
DO YOU PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE MAYOR AND I ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS OF THE VOTERS SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS? NO, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE AT ALL.
YOU TOLD ME YOU LIKE ME AS A MAYOR, SO GET RID OF ME.
NO, LIKING IS ONE THING, BUT THINKING WE'RE DOING OUR JOB AND WANTING TO US TO MOVE ALONG IS ANOTHER THING.
NO GIVE REALLY, LET'S GIVE OTHER FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN JUNIOR.
I WANT TAKE ALL OUR DISCUSSION, BUT JUNIOR KNOWS I WANT A YOUNGER COUNCIL COME THROUGH.
I WANT HAVE A YOUNGER COUNSELOR.
I KNOW, BUT YOU KEEP SAYING THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT NEW PEOPLE TO COME IN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A ROOM FULL OF NEW PEOPLE.
YEAH, IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO TELL THE CITIZENS WHAT THEY WANT IF THEY, THIS IS A CONVERSATION.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE YOUNGER PEOPLE TO COME IN SO THAT WE, I WANT THE CITIZENS DECIDE WHO THEY BRING IN.
LOOK AT THE CITY OF ARLINGTON.
THEY HAVE S HAS IT USHERED THAT WAS FORCED UPON 'EM? HAS IT, HAS IT, HAS IT FORCED? HAS IT, NO, BUT LOOK, HAS IT USHERED IN YOUNG PEOPLE? NO.
I I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE, GO BACK TO THIS.
I THINK WE NEED THE CITIZENS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S DIVERSE, NOT DIVERSE, FEMALE, MALE, YOUNG, OLD.
I BELIEVE THE CITIZENS WILL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THEIR DOOR KNOCKING TO 'EM AND TRYING TO GIVE 'EM A MESSAGE AND THEY WILL MAKE CORRECT DECISIONS.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS HERE THAT BEAT INCUMBENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE THE MAKE UP WE ARE NOW.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM NOW? WHEW.
UM, THIS ITEM TWO, YOU KIND OF ALREADY SAID WHY YOU WANT IT.
YEAH, I, I WOULD ADD SOME MORE TO IT.
THE CITY POPULATION, THE GROWTH, WELL, IT ALL USED TO ALL BE AT LARGE.
BECAUSE IT WAS VERY RURAL AND AT LARGE SEATS WERE FOUR RURAL AREAS BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DEFINE LINES TO BE DRAWN.
WE'RE OVER 200,000 NOW, SO WHY NOT NOW? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, ARLINGTON HAS, HAS NINE MEMBERS JUST LIKE WE DO, FOUR AT LARGE.
WHEN THE COMMITTEE, I WAS TOLD, THE COMMITTEE TALKED TO CITIZENS AND THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF BEING REPRESENTED BY FOUR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF TWO.
THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF VOTING FOR SOMEBODY EVERY YEAR.
SO THEY WOULDN'T GET STAGNANT.
AND OUR CITIZENS GET TO VOTE ON SOMEBODY EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S THREE AT LARGE.
AND SOMETIMES THEY GET TO VOTE FOR TWO EVERY THIRD YEAR THEY GET TO VOTE FOR TWO, BUT NEVER.
SO, UH, EVERY YEAR THEY GET TO VOTE FOR, FOR ONE.
ARLINGTON'S ALMOST TWICE OUR SIZE HAS FEWER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.
HOUSTON, THE BIGGEST CITY IN TEXAS HAS FIVE AT
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LARGE.BUT THEY'RE VOTED ON BY THE WHOLE CITY, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD.
BUT NO, SAME THING WITH DESOTO.
DESOTO IS ALL SINGLE MEMBER, BUT THE WHOLE CITY VOTES FOR EACH.
I I REALLY DO LOVE OUR MAKEUP.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT TWO NEW AT LARGE MEMBERS THAT HAVE AGGRESSIVELY SHOWN OUR CITIZENS THAT THEY DO REPRESENT THE WHOLE CITY.
BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ZANU HAVE TAKEN THE CHALLENGE OF BEING NEARLY EVERYWHERE THEY CAN AND VISITING.
AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS LOVE BEING ABLE TO CALL FOUR PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW SERVE THEM.
SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST, THAT'S MOVING THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FOR SURE.
AS I WAS SAYING, BOTH OF THEM.
THE LAR C'S COME FROM WHAT? THE JIM CROW ERA.
AND IT IS TO DISENFRANCHISE A VOTING POPULATION.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.
AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, YOU HAVE THE MAYOR, YOU HAVE TWO AT LARGE, THERE'S THREE TO MAINTAIN POWER AND CONTROL.
YOU IS TWO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS GOING IN YOUR FAVOR AND YOU HAVE YOUR FIVE VOTES.
TH THAT'S HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKED.
THAT'S, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CITIES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING YOU'LL, YOU'LL SPIN IT YOUR WAY.
I'M JUST, I THE WAY WE HAVE IT, I'M UNDER, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS.
WHEN YOU HAD THE ALAR SEATS GOING TO JUNIOR'S POINT, QUICKLY, STATE, FEDERAL, THEY HAD TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE OF THE GERRYMANDERING.
AND IT DISENFRANCHISED A VOTING POPULATION AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO GO TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.
SO FOR US TO BE CONTINUE TO BE A PROGRESSIVE CITY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, WE'RE STILL PRACTICING, IN MY OPINION, JIM CROW ERA TYPE OF POLITICS WITH THE I'M SURE YOU FEEL THAT WAY.
I I REALLY AM SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY.
I'M SORRY YOU DON'T, YOU YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME THEN.
I SOMEONE THAT DISAGREES WITH KURT, IT IS TRUE THAT AT LARGE SEATS ARE RELIC OF SEGREGATION AND THE GENERAL JIM CROW ERA POLICIES MM-HMM
THAT IT WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO DISENFRANCHISE MINORITY POPULATIONS THAT LIVE IN PARTICULAR PARTS OF THE CITY DUE RED LINE.
BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY, LOOK AT THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
THAT'S 23% AFRICAN AMERICAN, 46% HISPANIC, 8% ASIAN, 25% WHITE.
WE GOT TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS THAT ARE BLACK.
WE HAVE A DIVERSE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY GOT 10 SINGLE MEMBERS, FIVE AT LARGE.
THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, 400,000 PEOPLE, THREE AT LARGE, UH, FIVE SINGLE MEMBER.
AND THE MAYOR, THEY SUPPORT THAT LARGE.
THEY HAVE AN ASIAN, UH, MEMBER OF COUNCIL THAT'S AN AT LARGE MEMBER.
ASIANS MAKE MAKE UP ABOUT 8% OF THE CITY.
THEY ELECTED AN ASIAN PERSON BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, AND NO MATTER WHERE YOU RUN, YOU GOTTA BUILD A COALITION.
NOR I CAN WIN BASED OFF OF BLACK VOTE ALONE.
MIKE, YOU CAN'T WIN BY HISPANIC VOTER VOTE.
YOU CAN'T WIN BY HISPANIC VOTER VOTE.
YOU CAN'T WIN BY WHITE VOTER VOTE.
WE GOTTA BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
WHETHER IT'S DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT, WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN A MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY.
AND I THINK I PERCENT, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
I, I'M BIASED, OBVIOUSLY
IT, IT IS WORTH, I WOULDN'T WANT 'EM ALL AT LARGE, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT 'EM ALL SINGLE MEMBER.
I THINK THE MIX IS, BUT YOU STILL GO BACK TO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 160 YEARS, 157 YEARS, 158 YEARS.
IT TOOK US A BLACK PERSON TO WIN AT LARGE SEAT.
SO THEY SAID THE SAME THING WHEN OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT.
WHAT DID THEY SAY? THERE'S NO MORE RACISM.
'CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT.
WELL, WE DID HAVE ONE ELECTED, ELECTED AT LARGE.
THAT WAS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, UM, APPOINTED.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LARGE SEAT.
DID, DID MR. KELLEN, WE AT LARGE FOR A SINGLE MEMBER.
I WAS ALL AT LARGE BECAUSE, UH, EDDIE HEMPFIELD WAS SINGLE MEMBER.
SO HOW LONG WAS AT LARGE? ONCE AGAIN, I'M BRINGING THIS TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO TONIGHT.
SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO BRING THINGS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL TO THE TABLE.
WE CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE A SOFTBALL AND MAKE IT, HEY, EVERYTHING'S WONDERFUL AND GREAT.
WE SOMEONE'S GOTTA HAVE THE COURAGE, MAYOR, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO WHERE WE AGREE OR DISAGREE.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE CALLS, LIKE I SAID ONE YESTERDAY, IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING.
FERENCE THAT CONVERSATION WITH, I GOT A CALL S SWUNG BACK TODAY.
THEY DON'T SUPPORT EITHER, EITHER ONE, EITHER.
I SAID LISTEN TO THE, LISTEN TO THE
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DISCUSSION TONIGHT.THERE ARE POINTS ON BOTH SIDES THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, WE'LL SEE HOW THE BOAT GOES.
IT WOULD NOT DISAPPOINT ME IF WE DON'T GET THE VOTE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
THE VOTE FOR IT IS TO ASK YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THE CITIZENS IN THE GREAT THREE AT LARGE SEATS.
WHO'S THE MAYOR RIGHT HERE? I I THINK IT, THERE WAS NOT A LONG ENOUGH PAUSE THERE.
UM, WE DID THE CENSUS REDISTRICTING JUST RECENTLY.
THEY MADE A COMMENT BY 2025, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO REDRAW THESE LINES ANYWAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS GROWING DISTRICT FOUR AND TWO, OUR NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE WAY HIGHER JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBER MULTIFAMILY THAT'S COMING IN.
SO IN, IN MY, IT IS NOT, I THINK AT THAT TIME WE HAD TO REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE? BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH FOUR WORKERS JUST DID THIS PAST YEAR.
THEY ADDED OTHER COUNCIL SEATS BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 40,000 PLUS, 45,000 FOR EVERY SINGLE, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.
SO THAT MIGHT HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE, WHERE YOU DON'T GET RID OF THAT LARGE, BUT YOU HAVE TO ADD TWO MORE.
KEEP THE SAME AT LARGES, ADD A COUPLE SEATS OR SOMETHING.
BUT THERE AGAIN, ARLINGTON IS RUNNING THEIR CITY WITH JUST LYING, SO WE'LL SEE.
I MAY NOT BE HERE AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, SO NO, DEFINITELY IT IS JUST, I MEAN, ARLINGTON'S, ARLINGTON, I MEAN, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, I MEAN THEY, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, IT DID NOT GET DONE AND THEN THEY
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WAS DEAL, DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
BECAUSE ONE THING, YOU WRITE WHAT THE CRITERIA, CRITERIA IS, OR YOU OR THEY JUST PUT THE CRITERIA IN THERE FOR YOU.
SO YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SIDE OF THE, OF THE ISSUE DO YOU WANT TO STAND ON.
IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THE PETITION STARTED IN ARLINGTON BY THE GUY THAT WAS THE ANTI AT T STATE, AND HE WAS ANGRY.
THE HELO SAID, I'M GETTING RID OF ALL AND GOT THE, UH, REPUBLICAN WOMEN'S CLUB TO HELP HIM.
AND THEY GOT THE PETITION DONE.
UH, WE'VE HAD NO SUCH OUT UPRISING HERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT GOT THE PETITION DONE OVER THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THESE MEMBER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS? ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? SPONSORSHIP POLICY UPDATE.
UM, AS, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THAT I BROUGHT, I'M BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU THE POLICY.
IT IS A POLICY MEMORANDUM THAT HAD, THAT GIVES SPECIFIC DELINEATE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UH, THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE WILL, WE WILL BUDGET A SET AMOUNT FOR SPONSORSHIPS AND EVENT TICKETS ANNUALLY.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED POLICY ON HOW THAT MONEY IS AWARDED AND USED.
TWO WAYS THE CITY CAN FINANCIALLY PARTICIPATE IN AN EVENT ARE THROUGH SPONSORSHIPS.
WHEN THE CITY PROVIDES FUNDING FOR AN IN KIND SERVICE TO ASSIST IN ADVERTISING OR STAGING THE EVENT OR PROGRAM HOSTED BY A THIRD PARTY IN RETURN FOR BENEFITS, INCLUDING RECOGNITION AND TICKETS TO THE EVENT, EVENT ATTENDANCE WHEN THE CITY BUYS TICKETS TABLES TO BANQUETS OR FOURSOMES IN GOLF TOURNAMENTS.
THESE DO NOT REQUIRE SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FORM AND ARE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER OF CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
RIGHT NOW, APPLICANT MUST BE NONPROFITS AND A CERTIFIED 5 0 1 C3.
AND HOW THIS WOULD WORK IS A SPONSORSHIP APPLICATION WOULD BE FILLED OUT BETWEEN DECEMBER 1ST AND 31ST FOR THE COMING YEAR FOR FUNDING EFFECTIVE JANUARY THROUGH DECEMBER.
THE FUNDING REQUEST WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY AND FOR APPROVAL, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, THE INVOICE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION WOULD INVOICE THE CITY AT LEAST 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE RECEIPT OF FUNDS.
YOU'VE BEEN PASSED OUT THE, THE, UH, ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY MEMORANDUM FOR NON-PROFIT GRANT FOR POLICIES FOR A NOT NON-PROFIT GRANT, BUT FOR THE, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IN FACT, IT RELATES TO THESE, UH,
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SPONSORSHIPS AND TICKETS, EVENTS, TICKETS.THE FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THAT IS THESE NON-PROFIT SPONSORSHIPS AND EVENT ATTENDANCE POLICY ALLOWS FOR THIS TO HAPPEN ONCE A YEAR.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BEEN GETTING THESE, THEY'VE BEEN COMING IN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THROUGH THE YEAR.
WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL STREAMLINE IT, IT WILL HAPPEN ONCE A YEAR.
YOU'LL VOTE ON IT ONE TIME AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR THAT YEAR.
THE TWO HEADINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED AND THESE THAT ARE SHOWING IN GREEN, THOSE ARE THE SPONSORSHIPS AND THE TICKETS TO EVENTS AND FUNCTIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THIS YEAR OR HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT IF THE COUNCIL WILL, IT IS A ITEM THAT WE CAN VOTE ON OUT FRONT, APPROVE THE ITEM AS THE POLICY, AS BEING THE POLICY THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITHIN THESE TWO, YOU HAVE THE 100 MEN STRONGMAN, SNEAKER BALL, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE THAT HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING BEFORE THE NAACP MLK SCHOLARSHIP BREAKFAST.
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IS THE SYSTEM NONE OF BEEN APPROVED YET? NO.
SO I DON'T SEE EXPANDED HORIZONS ON HERE.
UH, WHO SUBMITTED APPLICATION TO YOUR OFFICE? I DO.
WHAT WAS THE NAME? EXPANDED HORIZONS.
WAS THERE, IS THERE, WHAT IS THE EVENT SCHEDULED FOR? SO, UM, THERE WERE 5 0 1 C3.
THEY DO THE TUTORING AT OUR LOW INCOME GRAND PRAIRIE APARTMENTS.
AND THEY HAVE MOBILE LAPTOPS THAT WERE STOLEN.
THEY HAD ABOUT 10 AND THERE WAS A BREAK AND THEY'RE ALL STOLEN.
UM, AIRBUS WAS PROVIDING THOSE.
THEY HAD A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP.
DO YOU KNOW IF THEY SUBMITTED SOMETHING? THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
THEY HAD A, A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM GRAND PRAIRIE PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE NEED TO FIND ATTACHED WITH IT AS WELL AS THE LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
WHEN I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE IT IN YEARS TO COME, IT WOULD BE APPROVED AT A CERTAIN DATE.
WHAT WAS, IT WOULD BE APPROVED IN JANUARY.
SO WE WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO APPROVE THE LIST TONIGHT.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE POLICY BECAUSE ON DECEMBER THE FIRST, WE NEED TO PROVE THE POLICY.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE POLICY.
NO, WE'RE NOT, THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED ON THIS LIST.
THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE MOTION.
THE ONE THAT WE SPOKE OF THAT YOU TABLED ON LAST WEEK, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TONIGHT? TONIGHT? APPROVAL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY.
INCLUDING THE ONE APPLICATION THAT IS OUTSTANDING.
AND THEN YOU'LL GIVE US A LIST THAT WE APPROVE IN JANUARY.
JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR FOR NEXT YEAR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT APPROVED THIS YEAR, BUT THE APPROVAL FOR THIS YEAR, DO THEY HAVE ANY BID BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR? OR WE GIVING THE MONEY FOR THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE MONEY WOULD BE FOR THE EVENT.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS YOU HAVE A WINDOW FROM DECEMBER TO JANUARY, JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
IF IT IS NOT, IF IT'S A JANUARY EVENT OR FEBRUARY EVENT, IT PROBABLY WILL NEED TO COME TO YOU IN DECEMBER.
BUT WE DON'T ASK THAT BECAUSE ONE, THE NAACP WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED FOR $10,000.
I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
THESE NUMBERS ARE IN THE 2020 THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST YOUR 20.
THESE ARE INFORMATION LAST YEAR.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT, THEY WEREN'T THIS YEAR'S.
NO, THESE ARE YOUR INFORMATIONAL NUMBERS.
QUESTION THAT, TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT KURT IS SAYING, ARE YOU GOING TO ATTRIBUTE AND ADD ON WHAT WE APPROVED FOR THEM EARLIER BACK IN LIKE MAY? YEAH, BACK IN MAY OR JUNE WHEN WE APPROVED THAT.
WE WILL GO THROUGH AND WE WILL PUT THOSE IN ON THE JANUARY.
THAT ON THAT WILL BE IN THE JANUARY.
SO IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY COUNTY, SO OF
ARE THEY HAVING AN EVENT? WHO, RAH.
THEY'RE HAVING A BANQUET WHERE WE WILL BE TITLE SPONSOR.
A TITLE SPONSOR FOR THAT BANQUET.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M APPLYING, RIGHT? YES, IT IS.
I-I-I-I-I CAN'T SUPPORT $5,000 FOR THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE IT BEEN SO MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO COME FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WE JUST DROP 'EM DOWN TO $500 AND WE STATED
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THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE OTHER GROUPS.SO THEY SHOULD BE SEEN IN THE SAME WAY.
THAT'S JUST, I I THINK BILL GOT ALL THE DATA FROM 'EM.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH KEVIN.
THE $5,000 ISAIAH HOUSE WAS A BRAND NEW DEAL.
WE, UH, WE DIDN'T GIVE HIM 5,000, BUT WHAT DID WE GIVE ISAIAH A HOUSE THIS YEAR? WAS IT 1500 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WHAT DID WE GIVE ISAIAH? WE GAVE THEM TWO 50.
BUT WE WE DID GIVE 'EM TWO 50 LIKE THE YEAR BEFORE.
WE JUST NEED, SO WE, AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ON HOW OUR POLICY GONNA BE.
WE JUST CAN'T SAY THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HERE, WE JUST GONNA GIVE 'EM 5,000.
I'M NOT GIVING THIS, I'M NOT, WHAT I'M GIVING IS BECAUSE IT'S FIVE OH C3 THAT DOES GOOD WORK IN A COMMUNITY.
DIDN'T YOU SAY LAST TIME YOU DON'T KNOW THEM AND YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF 'EM? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT NOW SINCE THEN, YOU'VE, I'VE ASKED BILL TO VET 'EM AND HE TOLD ME HE HAS OH,
MIKE, I, I TRUSTED BILL ON THIS.
I ASKED BILL, BUT I LOOKED AT HIM THAT NIGHT, DIDN'T I SAID, YOU NEED TO VET THEM.
I ASKED STAFF TO VET HIM JUST LIKE I HAD THE STAFF VET.
I, ISAIAH A HOUSE AGENCIES VETTED.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE FOR TO BE CONSISTENT ON WHAT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AROUND HERE.
I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH THEM GETTING $5,000 AND YOU, WE MAKE THE MOTION OUT THERE.
UM, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF ACROSS.
SO EVERY OTHER 5 0 1 COME THROUGH 5,000 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER.
I WOULD SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IF WE CAN BE INCLUSIVE AND HELP, THAT'S A POLICY CHANGE.
IT'S NOT A POLICY CHANGE, KURT.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I'M FEELING BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF NEEDS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE'VE BEEN AN AGENCY OF 5 0 1 WHO'S BEEN TRYING FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
YOU ONLY GIVE $500 WHEN YOU SAY YOU, IT WASN'T ME.
THIS, THAT WASN'T OUR DECISION BACK THEN.
JOE'S DECISION WAS TO DO 5,000.
I'LL TELL YOU THIS BACK EARLIER.
AND NOW WE'VE COME UP WITH A POLICY.
YOU WERE HERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
US? NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 5,000.
WHO MADE THAT DECISION REQUEST? IT WAS SUBMITTED TO US ON NO, I KNOW WHAT SAYING TO REQUEST AS IT WAS PRESENTED.
AND AT THE TIME SAID WAS ON THE, NOT BECAUSE I ASKING HIM TO, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER WAS GONNA BE UNTIL HE TOLD ME TONIGHT.
I MEAN, IT WAS WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOKED IT LAST TIME.
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS GONNA PUT ON TONIGHT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THE FIRST TIME HE CAME, YOU HAD THE AMOUNT AND HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT.
HE AUTOMATICALLY JUST SLAMMED IT.
BUT THEN AFTER THAT YOU DON'T THAT'S NOT WHAT I DID.
YOU SAID, I KNEW IT WAS, I SAW THE REPORT.
I SAID, I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO ACT ON IT TONIGHT.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE THAT'S LAMING IT.
I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
I I WANT I WAS ONE VOTE IT GOT ONE.
BUT YOU IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE BECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY, WE HAD ALREADY GIVEN HIM THE AUTHORITY TO COME UP WITH THIS LIST.
I DIDN'T WANT, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT N NEVERTHELESS, WHAT HAPPENED IN THERE.
I KNOW, BUT WHO MADE THE DECISION AT 5,000? WAS IT YOU THAT MADE IT MIKE, WHEN SISTER SARIAH APPLIED, THEY ASKED FOR 5,000.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO SAY NO, WE'LL GIVE YOU 2,500 OR NO, WE'LL GIVE YOU 3000.
THIS IS WHAT THEY APPLIED FOR.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP, WHEN YOU PRESENTED WHEN IT CAME, DID WE TALK ABOUT IT? WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO.
WE DIDN'T GET TO HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO NOW WE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT.
YOU SAID, NOPE, WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS.
I'M SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT.
I'VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I SAID I WANT TO TABLE IT AND GIVE IT TO BILL.
WE HAVE A RECORDED, WE CAN GO BACK AND CHECK.
I CAN THROW THE RED FLAG AND WE CAN CHECK IT.
BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS, WHO MADE THE DECISION TO SAY 5,000 STAFF? DID I MADE THE, I BROUGHT FORTH WHAT WAS REQUESTED AFTER VE SO WHO APPROVED IT? WHO APPROVED IT? HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
NO, THAT'S ON THE LIST TO APPROVE.
WELL IT LONG THE LIST, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
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SEEMS TO BE SLANTED THE POLICY TOWARDS EVENTS, WHICH DOES NOT REALLY ENCOMPASS THE FULL SCOPE OF THE APPLICATIONS WE'RE GETTING.I THINK WE NEED TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE.
UM, BECAUSE ALL THE APPLICATIONS AREN'T EVENT SPECIFIC.
THOSE ARE, SOME OF 'EM DON'T HAVE THAT'S SINCE IT'S POLICY, WE MIGHT AS WELL GET IT PERFECT.
A GRANT IN ASSISTANCE TO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS.
AND THE REASON IS, IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR B FOR A GRANT IN A SO ACTUALLY YOU'VE GOT TWO POLICIES IN YOUR HEAD, TWO POLICIES WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, AND MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS AT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING.
YOU, UH, TOLD US THAT IN NOVEMBER, SISTER EXPANDED HORIZONS WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
UH, WE WERE STANDING RIGHT IN HERE.
SO MY CONCERN, THE, YOU DROPPED, YOU DROPPED FIVE.
YOU SPOKE WITH THE THREE OF US AND SPOKE WITH US AFTERWARDS.
THAT YOU'RE VERY BUSY AND THAT THAT'S FINE.
BUT IS IT SHOULDA BEEN ON THERE AND I'LL FIX IT NOW.
BECAUSE IT KEEPS GETTING PUSHED BACK.
IT BE, I WILL HAVE IT ON THE DECEMBER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY.
EVERYONE ELSE, IT WON'T BE THERE IN DECEMBER.
THE JUNETEENTH COMMITTEE MM-HMM
JUNETEENTH COMMITTEE HAS NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS NOT A FIVE ONE YET.
I, WE'VE GIVEN THEM MONEY IN THE PAST AND I SUPPORT BUMP UP TO THAT 5,000 STATE.
BUT WITH THIS CURRENT POLICY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE COLORING WITHIN THE LINE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND NOW AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GEN TEAM COMMITTEE OR PLANNING ON GIVING THEM FIVE AS WE ASK FOR, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO SINCE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT YET A 5, 1 3, BUT THEY'VE PERCEIVED MONEY FOR YEARS WOULD UH, A GOOD QUESTION ACTUALLY.
WHAT IT WOULD BOIL DOWN TO, TO ME IS IT WOULD BE A NON-PROFIT GRANT.
THE NON-PROFIT GRANT POLICY WOULD COME INTO PLAY THERE BECAUSE WE WOULD GIVE US, IT HAS TO BE A FIVE, WOULD BE A GRANT AND THEY WOULD SIGN AGREEMENT WITH US.
THEY'RE GONNA SPLIT IT FOR WHAT THEY, NO, I THINK BILL, WE GOTTA DO AN IT FIVE THREE.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE I MEAN THAT'S, WELL, WE'RE NOT ASKING BECAUSE YOU ON HERE, THE, THE GRANT, WE DO SAY WE DO YEARS, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE PROBABLY OUGHT, I DON'T DISAGREE TOO.
THAT'S NOT, I'M JUST SAYING IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES UP.
WELL, NEXT MONTH SAY, WELL, I, I DON'T HAVE MY OBLIGATION, BUT I WANT YOU DO IT.
SO I DON'T WANT, WE MAY NEED TO HELP THEM GET, WE WILL, WE'LL WE CAN HELP WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY GET THEIR 5 0 1 OR WE CAN FUNNEL IT THROUGH ANOTHER, UH, 5 0 1.
IF THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT'S, WE JUSTING HOW IT WORKED IN THE PAST WITH SOME THESE NONPROFITS.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON THE POLICY BECAUSE IT DID SAY THREE YEARS AND I'M LIKE, WELL, DID YOU VET EVERYBODY ON THE VIS? YES.
UM, WELL NOT BECAUSE WE JUST STARTED.
SO DOESN'T SAY WE HAVEN'T BID.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BIDT EVERYBODY ON THE VIS OKAY.
TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET YOUR POLICY.
YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESENT FOR US.
COUNCIL MAYOR ADAMS. AND THE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A 5 0 1 IS BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID IT, DID IT NON-PROFIT, IT HAS THE FEDERAL MANDATES ON HIM.
AND YOU MUST HAVE A BOARD IN PLACE.
YOU MUST HAVE REGULATIONS, YOU MUST HAVE BYLAWS.
AND A 5 0 1 C3 IS AN ORGANIZATION OWNED BY THE PEOPLE, NOT THE PEOPLE IN IT.
SO WHO'S THE REGISTER AGENCY? IF I REGISTER A 5 1 3.
WHO, WHO? A 5 0 1 IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN A REGISTERED AGENT.
SO I'M TO SIGN UP FOR AREN'T YOU THE REGISTER AGENT FOR I'M, I'M A RESIDENT REGISTERING AGENT FOR SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I HAD THE PRESIDENT.
SO WERE THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, GO ASK FOR FUNDING AND THE TREASURER HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE NOT GIVE DENIED AND THEY CAN STILL, YOU CAN STILL GO ONLINE.
THERE'S A CONTACT INFORMATION BECAUSE RIGHT THERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S A SIX YEAR ORGANIZATION.
YOU AGREE THE REST OF THE AGENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE RIGHT.
AND THIS WAS A PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU OFFERED.
SHE DOES AGREE THAT SHE IS, SHE'S ALREADY STATED THAT.
I DO THAT FOR A LIVING SINCE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE MONEY FOR THEM.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T LOSE IT.
AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUNETEENTH? JUNETEENTH? YES.
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UH, JUNE WHEN WE APPROVED IT FOR NAACP AS WELL.I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THAT MONEY AND THAT WE HELP THEM.
WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL GO THROUGH AND THOSE ARE THE PRIOR THEY APPROVED.
BEFORE WE SET THIS POLICY REQUIRING THE BIBLE ONE C3.
BUT GOING FORWARD, THEY ALL NEED TO BE FILED.
AND IF, UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO IF UH, WE'RE, I'M LOOKING AT THE WHAT, UH, AMY JUST HANDED OUT THE, UM, THE, THE GRANT POLICY AND IT SAYS HERE THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THE ANNUAL SCHEDULED BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, I I I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE OTHER ONE.
SO THEY'RE BOTH GONNA NEED TO BE FIVE.
I MEAN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
THEY'RE BOTH GONNA NEED TO BE 5 0 1 C THREES.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE GRANT IS BY LAW, THE CITY CAN'T GIVE A GRANT WITHOUT HAVING AN AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, BUT WHY DO WE GIVE GRANT INSTEAD OF THE OTHER? RIGHT.
WHAT WAS THE RATIONAL? SO WHAT HAPPENED? THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SPONSORSHIP AND EVENTS, WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING FOR, IT'S A SPONSORSHIP OR WE'RE GETTING TICKETS, SOMETHING IN.
AND SO THE GRANTS ARE WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOING AN EVENT, THEN WE CAN'T SPONSOR.
SO WHEN, SO BOTTOM LINE IS WE CAN DO EVERYTHING BY GRANTS AND NOT EVER DO A SPONSORSHIP.
BUT IT'S EASIER TO DO THE SPONSORSHIP IF THEY'RE HAVING AN EVENT.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE GET TABLES WITH THEM.
DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE TABLES SEPARATE.
THAT'S HAVE THE SPONSORSHIPS THAT WERE NOT EVENTS.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, WE ACTUALLY DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
EVERYTHING IS THAT IS THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT WAS JUST FUNDING NOT AN EVENT.
THAT'S ONE THAT AND SO IT'S, THAT PRECEDES THE POLICY.
WE NEED A POLICY THAT WE NEED A POLICY.
THAT'S WHAT THIS POLICY DOES IS FROM THIS POINT GOING FORWARD, DOES THE POLICY NEED, WE CAN'T JUST GIVE AWAY COUNSEL DOES THE POLICY.
THAT'S WHY IT GOES SAYING THIS.
SO DOES THE POLICY NEED TO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
LET'S TAKE THE UP AND DOWN MOTION ON THE GRANT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US TONIGHT.
IS THAT OKAY? REPEAT, TAKE THEM UP AND DOWN.
MOTION ON WHAT EXACTLY THE GRANT FOR THE ONE HE WANTED THE MOTION ON TONIGHT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO LIST FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE SPONSORSHIP PERSISTENCE.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT COUNCIL EXPANDED HORIZONS WILL BE ON THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON HERE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE VOTING ON THE SYSTEM OF THE
I MEAN WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS OUT THERE.
AND THEN THAT ONE AND THE ONE SHE MENTIONED WILL BOTH BE ON NEXT YEAR'S THAT WE APPROVE IN.
WHAT? WELL NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT WON'T BE ON NEXT YEAR'S THAT WE'LL VOTE ON NEXT.
IF IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, IT WILL NOT BE ON THE NEXT YEAR'S LIST BECAUSE IT WILL BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SO IT'S AUTOMATICALLY IT WILL BE ON THE PRE, IT WILL BE ON THE LIST.
IT'LL BE ON THE LIST TO GET MONEY.
YEAH, IT WILL BE ON THE LIST TO GET MONEY.
THAT'S WHAT I PREVIOUS APPROVED.
BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE APPROVING THE WHOLE LIST FOR NEXT YEAR IN JANUARY AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SO IT'S NOT PRE, IT'S NOT PRE-APPROVED.
WE COULD WHACK AT IT IN JANUARY.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING FOR NEXT YEAR YET.
SO THE PROCESS IS THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY BASICALLY APPLY FOR FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO THEY HAVE DECEMBER 1ST TO DECEMBER 31ST TO APPLY FOR FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTACT ALL THE AGENCIES.
SO THERE'S NOBODY GONNA BE AUTOMATIC ON THE NEXT NEXT YEAR.
UNLESS THEY'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
I ACTUALLY, SO FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THAT'S AS CLEAR AS MUD.
THE ONE
SO WELL WE, WE WERE TRYING TO NO, NO, NO.
WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO, WE ARE NO WHAT? 5 0 1 C3 IS GONNA HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE REQUEST.
NOTHING'S PRE-APPROVED FOR NEXT YEAR.
THE ONES THAT WE APPROVED FROM MAY OR JUNE TO, WHAT IS IT? SEPTEMBER? THOSE ONES SHOULD ALREADY BE APPROVED.
IT SHOULD, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING? THAT'S NOT WHAT THE POLICY SAYS FOR NEXT YEAR.
BUT YEAH, BUT THE MONEY THEY WERE APPROVED FOR THIS YEAR IS FOR NEXT YEAR IT'S FOR 2024.
SO THE MONEY THAT WERE APPROVED FOR 2024 WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD
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AS APPROVED.SO I GOTCHA BILL TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
PRIOR TO THIS POLICY, ALL THAT MONEY WE APPROVED FROM MAY OR JUNE TO OCTOBER IS GOOD FOR 2024.
AND EVERYBODY THAT ASK AFTER THAT AND UP TO OUR DECEMBER 1ST.
SO YOU WON'T BE ONE OUT TO EVERYBODY.
SO AS FAR AS THE BUDGET'S CONCERNED, UH, ARE WE RESTARTING THE BUDGET NEW FOR THOSE FOR THE JANUARY OR DECEMBER? IT'LL BE A NEW BUDGET IN JANUARY.
SO THIS UH, PRE-APPROVALS OR WHATEVER DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT OR IT WILL BE PART OF THAT? IT WILL BE PART OF THAT BECAUSE THE MONEY'S GONNA BE OKAY.
AND WHEN YOU GIVE US THE LIST LIST YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT A DISTINCTION LIST, TWO LIST THAT'S ONLY PRE-APPROVED IN THE ONE WE HAVE TO APPROVED.
BUT Y'ALL CAN SAY THIS ONE Y'ALL ALREADY DID.
WE READY FOR COUNSEL FOR THE MAYOR TO GO OVER AGENDA REVIEW.
ALRIGHT, SO ITEM NUMBER 4 3 21.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? 4 3 21.
UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 22, UM, THE WAY IT WAS JUST DISCUSSED WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, THREE ITEMS BEING CONSIDER ITEM 22, ACTUALLY FOUR BECAUSE WE MAY TABLE THE POLICY.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE UP AND DOWN TERM LIMIT.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE UP AND DOWN THE EIGHT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE UP AND DOWN THE $5,000 GRANT AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE UP OR DOWN.
YOU GONNA TAKE POLICY BOARD? I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION I SHOULD SAY ON FOUR THINGS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? EVERY GOOD? YEP.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, WE WERE PLANNING ON EATING IN THE CAFETERIA, BUT WE'RE, I DON'T THINK GOING TO NOW GO FIX YOUR PLATE AND BRING IT INTO THE EXECUTIVE ROOM BEHIND THE CHAMBERS AND WE'LL DO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE THE FOOD'S IN THE CAFETERIA, CORRECT.
SO FIX OUR PLATES AND GO IN THERE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? THE EXECUTIVE, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY CONDUCT A CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO CHAPTER FIVE FIVE.
ONE SUB CHAPTER OF GOVERNMENT CODE C TO DISCUSS ANY, ANY OF THE FOLLOWING SECTION 5 5 1 0.07.
TWO DELIBERATIONS REGARDING REAL POP REAL PROPERTY ITEM FOUR, SECTION 5 5 1 0.087.
DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.