* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PHONE RIGHT OUTTA MY CAR. [00:00:01] WE GO. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. YOU WONDER WHO BOUGHT ALL THOSE IN 1985 ME. [BRIEFING SESSION - 5:30 PM] WELCOME TO THE STAFF BRIEFING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS FOR THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023. I'M BARRY SANDIS, CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THIS STAFF BRIEFING IS HEREBY CALLED TO ORDER AT 5:39 PM THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS WHERE THE STAFF BRIEFS THE BOARD AND PREVIEWS THE CASES ON THE AGENDA. BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASE. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE BRIEFING. I'LL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN OUR BRIEFING. UH, WHEN I SAY YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, JUST LIKE THIS. BARRY SANDIS HERE. DAVID BAKER HERE. ADEEN HERE. DAVID ACHE HERE. UM, ANTHONY LANGSTON HERE. AND MELINDA ROGERS HERE. SO WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT, SO WE ARE ABLE TO GO AHEAD WITH AND PROCEED WITH OUR BRIEFING. UH, AND THEN AS WE ADD ON OTHERS FOR THE RECORD, I WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE JUST LIKE I STRUGGLED WITH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING JUST TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU AT THIS POINT. BRITTANY, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH BRIEFING. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ZBA 2 3 0 6 0 0 4 3. THIS ITEM IS GOING TO BE TABLED AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. THEY'RE DOING SOME WORK, UM, WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE CAN BRING THEM TO BEFORE THE BOARD AGAIN. SO MOVING ON, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 4. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A, UM, A CARPORT VARIANCE. SO THIS ACTUALLY WAS ADMIN APPROVED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, IF WE CAN, IF IT BEATS ALL OF OUR DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT IF IT'S WITHIN 800 FEET OF AN EXISTING CARPORT. SO THIS ONE WAS, UM, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED MEANT ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, WHEN THEY ACTUALLY BUILT IT, IT WAS A FOOT TOO WIDE. SO THEY'RE HAVING TO COME THROUGH AND GET THAT VARIANCE NOW. SO, UM, WHAT IS ALLOWED IS 26 FEET. WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS 27 FEET. AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING, UM, WHAT IS OUT THERE EXISTING RIGHT NOW. AND AS I SAID, IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT'S OUT THERE CURRENTLY. AND THIS IS THE BUFFER LAYER THAT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE WELL WITHIN THE 800 FEET OF MULTIPLE CARPORTS. SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW CARPORTS OUT THERE EXISTING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO 48 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. BACK PICTURE ONE MORE TIME PLEASE. HMM. SO I BELIEVE THEY EITHER, I LOOKED TODAY, I THINK THEY HAVE AN EXISTING PERMIT AND POTENTIALLY FOR, UH, TO EXPAND THAT DRIVE OR THAT DRIVEWAY. 'CAUSE THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THREE CARS UNDER THERE. OKAY? MM-HMM . OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT. MOVE ALONG, BRITTANY. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. FOUR IS ZBA 23 0 8 0 5 5. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION, A SPECIAL SESSION FOR GARAGE CONVERSIONS. THIS IS LOCATED AT 4 1 8 ANA DRIVE. Y'ALL MAY RECOGNIZE THE ADDRESS OF THE APPLICANT. SO THIS ACTUALLY CAME BACK OR CAME TO BEFORE THE BOARD EARLY LAST, EARLY THIS YEAR. UM, THEY WAS RULED ON IN FEBRUARY. IT DID NOT GET ENOUGH VOTES FOR APPROVAL. UM, AND WITHIN OUR UDC, THERE IS LANGUAGE THERE THAT ALLOWS THE SAME REQUEST TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AFTER A SIX MONTH WAITING PERIOD. SO THE APPLICANT'S BACK TODAY WITH THE SAME REQUEST, UM, FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION. SO THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, THIS WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED WHEN IT CAME THROUGH. SO NOTHING FROM ABOUT THE REQUEST HAS CHANGED. AND THIS IS THE GARAGE CONVERSION. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THAT THEY WENT AHEAD AND BRICKED UP THE LEFT SIDE. THE RIGHT SIDE STILL HAS THE GARAGE DOOR 'CAUSE THEY DID RECEIVE A STOP WORK ORDER. SO WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, MULTIPLE, UH, LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. SO NINE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. IT'S ONLY EIGHT HERE ON THE MAP. 'CAUSE ONE CAME IN VERY LATE TODAY AFTER I'D ALREADY MADE THIS. BUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED AND THE OPPOSITION LETTERS ARE ALL IN YELLOW. SO 32 NOTICES RESENT WERE SENT ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, NINE RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ZBA 23 0 8 0 0 5 5 AS REQUESTED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. MR. BAKER? YES. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONVERSIONS IN THIS AREA? NO. SO THEY ARE NOT WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THEY'RE NOT WITHIN 800 FEET, OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE OR 300 FEET COULD ADMIN APPROVE. BUT THIS, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS DEED RESTRICTIONS AND SO THERE AREN'T ANY LEGALLY CONVERTED GARAGES. WE FOUND AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THEY WERE HERE THAT THERE ARE SOME GARAGE CONVERSIONS EXISTING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY WERE NOT LEGALLY PERMITTED. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SO THEY EXIST SO WE JUST CAN'T FIND PERMITS [00:05:01] ON 'EM. SO CORRECT. IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY DIDN'T COME THROUGH CBA, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? YES. AND SO THE STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT WITH THIS CB REQUEST. THAT'S NOT OBJECT. OKAY. TO MY LEFT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. I REMEMBER THERE ARE OTHERS THERE. MM-HMM . AND, BUT I THOUGHT THEY'RE EVEN CLOSE TO THE HOUSE TOO, I THOUGHT. YEAH, IF I REMEMBER. AND YOU MAYBE WOULD ASK, MAYBE THAT'S QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. YEAH, THERE WERE SOME I BELIEVE NEARBY, BUT THAT SITUATION COULD HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN. IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, BRITTANY, MOVE US ON TO FIVE. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER FIVE IS ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 6. THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST. THIS IS FOR A CARPORT LOCATED AT 2 3 0 2 MARCH LANE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO THEY ARE MEETING ALL OF OUR DENSITY DEMONSTRATE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY AREN'T WITHIN THE BUFFER ZONE. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE BEFORE, JUST FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SO THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE, THEY ARE NEAR SOME FURTHER SOUTH, BUT THEY, THAT HOUSE ITSELF IS NOT WITHIN A BUFFER LAYER. SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO COME HERE. UH, THERE WAS ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED AND THE UH, OPPOSITION LETTER CAME FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN YELLOW THERE. 48 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT THIS AS REQUESTED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT. QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. OKAY. BREEZING THROUGH THIS. GO AHEAD TO SIX. ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL CASE IS ZBA 23 0 8 0 0 5 7. SO THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR REGARDING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL QUEST. FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP BEFORE THE BOARD. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE 8 10, 8 12, 8 14, AND EIGHT 16 PREMIER PARKWAY. AND SO THIS IS AN MF ONE. IT'S ACTUALLY WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAD ENVISIONED A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. THEY WENT THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS, BUT THEY WERE NEVER ABLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THEY'RE KIND OF SELLING OFF PIECES OF IT SEPARATELY. SO THIS APPLICANT HAD PURCHASED FOUR OF THE LOTS AND SO HE'S WANTING TO DEVELOP FOUR OF THE TOWN HOMES. UM, AND SO PER OUR UDC TWO NON STACKED GARAGE SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR EACH OF THESE NON STACKED, WE MEAN SIDE BY SIDE, UM, TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGE, FOR OUR OFF STREET PARKING. UM, HE'S REQUESTING TO DO TANDEM PARKING. SO TANDEM PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED. STACKED PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED PER THE UDC. SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RUN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR TANDEM PARKING OR STACKED PARKING. THAT'S NOT, THAT WORDING'S NOT THERE. BUT WE CAN RUN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST TO REDUCE THE REQUIREMENT OF PARKING. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE RUNNING THIS REQUEST. WHAT IS TANDEM PARKING? TANDEM PARKING OR STACKED PARKING. SO THE GARAGE IS LONG. YOU GOT A LONG DRIVEWAY SO YOU CAN PARK 'EM CARS HERE AND CARS, YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT SIDE BY SIDE CARS IN THE GARAGE. SO OUR UDC REQUIRES SIDE-BY-SIDE PARKING, NON-ST STACKED PARKING FOR GARAGES. ARE THEY BUILDING? YEAH. HAND? YES. YEAH. SO TANDEM STACKED. YEAH, WE MEAN THAT IT'S LONG. THEY'RE NOT SIDE BY SIDE. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES FROM TWO NON-ST STACKED GARAGE PARKING SPACES TO ONE, ESSENTIALLY WITH THE INTENTION OF DOING STACKED OR TANDEM PARKING IN THE GARAGE. SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. YOU CAN SEE, UM, THEY'RE EITHER 13 OR 12 BY 35 APPROXIMATELY. SO THEY'RE STILL WELL OVER 400 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD FOR GARAGES. THEY'RE JUST STACKED AS OPPOSED TO NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. SO THIS IS THE SITE THAT'S OUT THERE. SO APPROXIMATE, THIS WILL BE THE AREA WHERE THOSE FOUR LOTS ARE. IT'S OFF OF CARRIER. SO 39 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA SO STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AS REQUEST TO DO THE FACT THAT THIS VARIANCE IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP. AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS, WHEN IT WAS PLATTED ALL OF THE ROADS IN THERE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED FIRE LANES. SO THERE IS NO ON STREETE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING STACKED PARKING PEOPLE CONSTANTLY MOVING CARS OUT, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT OF DRIVEWAYS, IN AND OUT OF GARAGES WHEN THERE IS NO ON-STREET PARKING AVAILABLE. UM, IF THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO GRANT THIS APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A MINIMUM 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE, WHICH THEIR FLOOR PLAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING, AND THEY SHALL PROVIDE TWO NON-ST STACKED OFF STREET PAVED PARKING SERVICES. JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING TWO CAR DRIVEWAY. SO, BUT THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ONE QUESTION HAS IS SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THESE TANDEM, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN GRAND PRAIRIE THAT ONLY HAVE A SINGLE WHITE DRIVEWAY. AND SO PEOPLE DO IN FACT PARK. HOW DOES DOES ONE BEING IN THE GARAGE AND ONE IN THE PAVEMENT RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT COUNT. SO EVERY DEVELOPMENT HAS DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC, SO WHEN YOU SAY UC, THAT'S NOT AN OVERALL CITYWIDE THING THAT'S PER DEVELOPMENT PER NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, SO IF FOR INSTANCE, A DEVELOPMENT ONLY [00:10:01] REQUIRED ONE GARAGE SPACE, WHICH I THINK I'D HAVE TO LOOK, I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO BE CERTAIN, THEN THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. BUT THIS REQUIRE, THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES TWO, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE FLOOR PLAN. 'CAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. AH. AND SO THIS IS REQUIRING TWO GARAGE SPACES. SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT OKAY. MM-HMM. AND SO TO ME JUST 'CAUSE DRIVING AROUND TOWN, IT'S LIKE, WAIT, THERE'S A LOT OF SINGLE WIDE, NO, I MEAN, AND THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED BEFORE THAT LANGUAGE WAS IN THE UDC. ALL IT'S HARD TO KNOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. EK. SO THEN SOMEBODY HAS BOUGHT, SOMEBODY IS IN THE PROCESS OF POSSIBLY BUYING THIS OR WHATEVER AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO CLEAN THAT AREA UP AND PUT LITTLE HOUSES THERE. PUT LITTLE, SO THEY'VE BOUGHT FOUR FOUR OF THE LOTS. AND SO I THINK THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA BE DEVELOPING THIS MAYBE A LITTLE PIECEMEAL FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. BUT THEY'VE BOUGHT FOUR OF THE LOTS THERE. SO THEY'RE WANTING TO DEVELOP JUST THOSE FOUR. I'M NOT SURE IF HE HAS ANY PLANS TO DEVELOP THE REST. OKAY. SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST GONNA SIT THERE, RIGHT? WON'T THIS, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'VE GOT, UH, THERE'S NOT ROOM TO HAVE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. UH, I WILL SAY THIS, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED THAT HAD TWO GARAGE SPACES. SO THERE IS TECHNICALLY ROOM TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. IT'S JUST UP TO THE DEVELOPER HOW THEY DESIGN IT. OKAY. GOTCHA. MM-HMM . OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF ON THIS ONE? IF NOT, IS THAT ALL YOU GOT FOR US? ALL I GOT FOR BRIEFING. OUTSTANDING. THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THIS BRIEFING SESSION. NOT WITHOUT NOTICE, NOTICING THAT IT IS MR. BAKER'S BIRTHDAY AND HE'S STILL HERE AND ON TIME. , I DON'T KNOW THAT IT ACTUALLY IS, BUT FACEBOOK SAYS IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY, SO YEAH. CLOSE ENOUGH. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. YEAH, NO. YEAH, THERE'S NO CUPCAKES, NO NOTHING. I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BRING IN A COOKIE BECAUSE I YEAH. YEAH. YOU DON'T GET A COOKIE. NO BIRTHDAY. I'M SORRY. WHAT? YOU GUYS, IF YOU GUYS ARE COUNTING ON ME TO BRING YOU, OH, DON'T EVEN START WITH ME. DON'T. NO. CLEARLY THERE'S NO REWARD WITH YOU BEING THE HEY, YOU'RE THE CHIEF HERE. SO I GAVE HIM A HARD TIME. YEAH, SHE WAS SO EXCITED. SHE BEAT ME. OKAY THEN HE TOOTS HIS HORN AS I'M, I WILL GET US STARTED. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME [Call to Order] TO THE CITY GRAND PRAIRIE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEALS MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023. I'M BARRY SANDIS, CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THIS MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS USUALLY MEETS THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH. ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED. NO OFFICIAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE AND SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VARIANCES, EXCEPTIONS AND APPEALS AS PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 1 1 0.009 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THE CONCURRING VOTE OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS NECESSARY TO DECIDE IN FAVOR OF AN APPLICANT ON ANY MATTER ON WHICH THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION. I'LL STRESS THAT AGAIN. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE EIGHT BODIES UP HERE. YOU NEED SEVEN VOTES FOR ANYTHING TO BE GRANTED ON A VARIANCE ADJUSTMENT OR ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER. SO WE DON'T HAVE NINE AT THIS POINT. WE ALL HAVE EIGHT. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET SEVEN, THINK ABOUT IT. UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ITEMS LISTED UNDER PUBLIC HEARING. I WANNA REMIND ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK OR WISHED TO HAVE THEIR POSITION RENDERED. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A WHITE COMMENT CARD. UH, THE STAFF CAN GET YOU THOSE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS, I'LL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, JUST LIKE THIS. BARRY SANDIS. HERE. KIMBERLY CHENIER. HERE. DAVID BAKER. HERE. ADEEN. HERE. DEBBIE EK. HERE. UH, ANTHONY LANGSTON. HERE. JOSE EZ HERE. AND MELINDA ROGERS. HERE, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE DO HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS PRESENT. SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AND CAN PROCEED WITH OUR MEETING. WE'LL NOW START WITH THE INVOCATION AND I'LL ASK MR. BAKER TO GIVE THE INVOCATION. YES, DEARLY. FATHER WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT. JUST BE WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS MEETING AND BE FAIR AND HONEST WITH CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY AND, UH, BLESS US AS WE ARE HERE. WE ASK SAINTS YOUR NAME. AMEN. AMEN. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR THE ZBA. WE'LL HOLD THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS AFTER THE PUBLIC PORTION HEARING OF THE MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ITEM SEVEN I BELIEVE. I ALWAYS LOVE IT WHEN THE LEGAL STAFF IS LAUGHING AS I'M READING THE SCRIPT. I'M JUST HERE TOUSE YOU GUYS. SO WE'LL COVER THAT JUST AFTER THE FORMAL PART. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO MEETING GUIDELINES AT THIS POINT IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS. THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY. [00:15:01] STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM. APPLICANT WILL HAVE UP TO 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT. ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD, WE'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK WITH AN ADDITIONAL TIME ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKERS SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT. STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS. OUR [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] FIRST ACTION ITEM OF THE NIGHT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. UH, THE MEETING ON AUGUST 21ST, 2023. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE MINUTES? I'LL NOW ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 21ST, 2023 MEETING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE OF THE MINUTES ON AUGUST 21ST, 2023. SECOND, I HAVE, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BAKER AND A VERY, SHE WAS TRYING REALLY HARD BEFORE SHE GOT THERE. VERY STRONG MS. RO, BUT MS. ROGERS WAS THERE EARLY. SHE JUST WAS STRUGGLING TO GET IT OUT. SO IT'S KIND OF A TIE. BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. CHENIER, IF YOU'LL PUT DOWN FOR THE SECOND FOR THE RECORD, THEY CAN ARM WRESTLE LATER. UM, ANY DISCUSSION IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO, WHICH [2. ZBA-23-06-0043 (Council District 3) – Variances to reduce the minimum side setback and increase the maximum area for an accessory structure permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 2125 Windchime Drive, legally described as Lot 13, Block 5, Cinnamon Ridge Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Planned Development District-75.] WILL TAKE US THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING. WE HAVE FIVE CASES ON THE AGENDA, ALTHOUGH SOME ARE TABLE. I UNDERSTAND. FIRST ITEM UP IS ZBA 2 3 0 6 0 0 4 3 TABLE TABLE IT? YES. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE? WE DO. WE DO. OKAY, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE TABLE ZBA 2 3 0 6 0 0 4 3. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER AND A SECOND FROM MR. LANGSTON, UH, COUNSEL? YES. AND IS THAT MOTION TO TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING OR A CERTAIN IT'S TABLE TO OUR NEXT MEETING? THANK YOU TO OUR SCHEDULED OCTOBER MEETING AS OPPOSED TO TABLED INDEFINITELY. UM, ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION TO TABLE PASSES. EIGHT TO ZERO TAKES US TO OUR NEXT CASE. [3. ZBA-23-08-0054 (Council District 3) – Variance to increase the width of a carport permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 2221 Sheriff Drive, legally described as Lot 20, Block 6, Cinnamon Ridge Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Planned Development -75] GO AHEAD, BRITTANY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, CBA 2 3 0 8 5 4. THIS IS LOCATED AT 2 2 2 1. SHERIFF DRIVE. THIS IS A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A FRONT YARD CARPORT. SO AS STATED EARLIER, THIS CARPORT WAS ORIGINALLY ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. IT MET ALL OF OUR DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN BUILT AND THEN EXPANDED UPON AND IT WAS EXPANDED TO 27 FEET. AT THAT POINT, IT TRIGGERS A VARIANCE. SO WHAT IS ALLOWED IS 26 FEET. THEY ARE REQUESTING 27 FEET FOR WIDTH. SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED IS ON THE LEFT. THE SITE PLAN THAT IS CURRENTLY THAT IT SHOWS WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING IS ON THE RIGHT. AND SAME WITH THE PHOTOS. SO TO THE LEFT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT THEY'VE EXPANDED IT TO SINCE THEN. BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S WELL WITHIN THE BUFFER. THERE'S MULTIPLE EXISTING CARPORTS OUT IN THAT AREA. SO 48 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS AS REQUESTED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS THE STAFF? AM I RIGHT? QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? MM-HMM . OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS? I HAVE DOWN THE APPLICANT IS RAUL GARCIA. IS THERE RA RAUL GARCIA IN THE ROOM? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 4. SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO OUR BOARD FOR MOTIONS OR DISCUSSION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 23 0 8 0 0 5 4. SECOND I I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BAKER AND A FORCEFUL SECOND FROM MS. SECOND RODIER. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY IF TO APPROVE, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. NEXT [4. ZBA-23-08-0055 (Council District 1) – Special Exception for a conversion of a garage into living space, located at 418 Manana Drive, legally described as Lot 19, Block A, Greenwood Hills Zoning Board of Adjustments and Appeals – September 18, 2023 Page 2 of 2 South Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Three Residential District] UP, BRITTANY. ALL RIGHTY. OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ZBA 23 0 8 0 0 5 5. THIS IS LOCATED AT 4 1 8 ANA DRIVE. THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR, UH, GARAGE CONVERSION. AGAIN, THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR. IT FAILED TO GET APPROVAL WITH SEVEN VOTES. OUR UDC STATES THAT AFTER A SIX MONTH PERIOD, THEY'RE ABLE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD WITH THE SAME REQUEST. SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLE GARAGE CONVERSION. YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE SAME SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED. UM, IT IS ALREADY CONVERTED, SO, BUT THIS, IT'S STILL THE SAME OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. NO FURTHER WORK HAS BEEN DONE. [00:20:01] SO WE DID RECEIVE NINE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. ONLY EIGHT ARE ON THIS MAP AGAIN, 'CAUSE ONE OF THEM CAME IN RIGHT AT THE WIRE. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED AND THE OPPOSITION LETTERS ARE IN YELLOW. SO 32 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, NINE RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS AS REQUESTED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. WHAT, LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS CASE, THERE WAS A BIG BROUHAHA ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS. MM-HMM . AS I UNDERSTAND, DEED RESTRICTIONS AREN'T GERMANE FOR WHAT? ZBA, THE CITY DOES NOT ENFORCE DEED RESTRICTIONS. IT'S CITY DOES NOT ENFORCE. SO AS WE ARE A BODY OF AN ARM OF THE CITY'S E BOARD, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S DEAL. IS THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF STAFF? THAT'S HOW WE SAW. WE DON'T AFFORD STEAL RESTRICTIONS. WE INTER WE OKAY. LOOKED AT THIS CASE. JUST LIKE WE LOOK AT MOST OF OUR GARAGE CONVERSION CASES. ALRIGHT, A QUICK QUESTION. UH, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS DO THIS, BUT THE NINE LETTERS THAT CAME IN IN OPPOSITION, ARE THEY ALL FROM PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IS IT VERIFIABLE THAT THESE ARE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO WE WHAT WHATEVER THEY PUT IN THE OPPOSITION LETTER, WE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE MAP. SO THEY WRITE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS, BUT STAFF NECESSARILY ISN'T DOING THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, BUT YEAH. YEAH. BUT YES. SO THESE, THE, THIS IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CHECK THE NINTH ONE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ON MANANA. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AM I RIGHT? QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BRITTANY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. THE APPLICANT ON THIS IS JOSH FLORES, BUT JUDAH FLORES. YES. YOU GOT AN ARM FULL OF STUFF AND THEY'RE READY TO SPRING OUTTA YOUR SEAT. DO YOU WANNA COME ON DOWN FIRST? THANK YOU. MM-HMM. JOSH, YOU CAN COME ON DOWN TOO. IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME. JOSH, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, WE'LL START WITH THE SAME THING, NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. SURE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS JUDI FLORES. UH, MY SON JOSHUA FLORES. MM-HMM. UH, WE BROUGHT HERE TO ADDRESS, OH, I'M SORRY. 4 1 8 MANANA DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS. SEVEN FIVE. FIVE. OH MM-HMM . OKAY. SO, UM, THE REASON WE ARE HERE AGAIN, , SINCE YOU ARE A PROBABLY REMEMBER US, UM, IS TO APPLY FOR THE GARAGE CONVERSION. UM, EVEN THOUGH WE, IT SHOWS ON THE PICTURE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DID THE GARAGE SINCE WE PUT THE WINDOW IN THERE. BUT ON THE INSIDE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. THE REASON WE DID THE WINDOW, IT'S, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T, I HATE REPEATING MYSELF, BUT, UM, THAT'S OKAY. THE HOUSES ALREADY EXISTED WITH THE GARAGE CONVERSION. WE TALK WITH THEM AND THEY NEVER TOLD US THAT THEY DID GET PERMISSION FOR IT. SO WE FIGURED THAT IT WASN'T NEEDED. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE PUT THE WINDOW UP AND WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED THE PERMIT UNTIL, AND SO WE CAME AND APPLIED FOR IT AND IT WAS DENIED. UM, BUT I WANNA FOCUS THAT, UM, THE HOUSES ARE ALREADY DONE AS IF I CAN PASS THE, NOW REMEMBER, IF YOU GIVE THEM TO US, WE CAN PASS 'EM DOWN. YES. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP 'EM THAT'S FINE. FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START WITH MR. INE DOWN HERE AND HE CAN PASS THEM DOWN THE GROUP. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT HAPPENED. JUDITH, I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO HAND 'EM TO HIM, BUT GO AHEAD AND GET ON THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. PERFECT. THAT WAY. OKAY. YOU'RE SHOWING US OTHER GARAGE CONVERSIONS. YES. EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE HOUSES THAT HAS THE GARAGE CONVERSION THAT'S LOCATED ON OAK HEAVEN STREET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OH, SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG PICTURE. , WELL, ALL OF THEM HAS THE GARAGE CONVERSION. TWO OF THEM ARE WITHIN, UH, IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. OKAY. AS I RECALL, YOU BRICKED IT IN AND DID A, A NICE LITTLE CLOSE IN ON IT. YES, IT LOOKS NICE. OH, THIS IS MY HOUSE. I'M SORRY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. IF YOU'LL START THOSE. I MEAN, IT WAS MUCH CLEANER THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS GUY WHO JUST YES. WALLED, WALLED IN THE GARAGE DOOR AND SLAP SOME WINDOWS IN THERE. IF, IF, IF THAT, THAT'S THE POINT YOU WANNA DRIVE HOME, I THINK. OKAY. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS, HAS RECENTLY SOLD THAT HOUSE. THE LAST PICTURE THAT I HAVE, THAT ONE UHHUH THAT HAS BEEN, EVEN WHEN THEY LEASE THE HOUSE, UH, FOR SALE MM-HMM . IT SHOWS CLEARLY IN THERE AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A GARAGE AND THEY SOLD THE HOUSE LIKE THAT. OKAY. IT'S LISTED AS THREE BEDROOM WITH NO GARAGE. SO SOMETIMES OUR PROCEDURES CAN BE A LITTLE DAUNTING. I WILL APPLAUD YOU FOR ACTUALLY STOP AND WORK WHEN THEY CAME UP AND SAID SOMETHING AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, [00:25:01] EVEN THE SIX MONTH WAITING PERIOD. I KNOW IT WAS, YOU'RE MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME WE SAW YOU. SO, UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH IT. GO AHEAD MS. ODIER. YES. CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME A CONVERSION, WAS IT A GARAGE DOOR AND THEN YOU BREAK IT OFF AND YOU INSTALLED THE WINDOW? LIKE WHAT WAS THE CONVERSION? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. YES, THIS IS WHAT THEY, THEIR HOUSE. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO IF THIS IS APPROVED, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TWO IDENTICAL YES. UHHUH. . EXACTLY. OKAY. I HAVEN'T DONE PUT IN THE OTHER WINDOW JUST BECAUSE RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T GOT, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET APPROVED EXACTLY. TO DO THIS ON THIS SIDE. YES. THANK YOU. AND IT WILL NOT LOOK, UH, IT WON'T MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE. THE REST OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. I WILL NOT MAKE ANY, 'CAUSE THE OPPOSITIONS LETTER ARE WHAT, LAST TIME HE CAME AND SAID IT WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THEIR VALUE OF THEIR HOUSES AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LIKE I SHOW YOU THE HOUSES THAT THE HOUSE THAT JUST RECENTLY SOLD IT SOLD EVEN HIGHER PRICE THAN OTHER HOUSES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH DIDN'T, DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE. AND IT, I MEAN IT CLEARLY DOESN'T, IT HASN'T BEEN HAVING THE GARAGE FOR A WHILE. I'M MOVING THERE BACK ON 2008 AND SINCE THAT POINT THAT IT NEVER HAD A GARAGE. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT SEEMS TO BE HONEST, IT SEEMS LIKE MOSTLY LIKE, IT, IT'S KIND OF PERSONAL JUST BECAUSE HE, THEY DRIVE, I MEAN, THEY LIVE BACK, I MEAN, ON THE OTHER STREET, WHICH IS OLD HEAVEN. AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY COULD HAVE MISSED THE HOUSE THAT YOU, MS. FLORES LET, I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO DO IS I WOULD NOT ADDRESS THINGS THAT WERE IN TESTIMONY FROM A PREVIOUS HEARING. THIS IS THIS PUBLIC HEARING. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. AT THIS POINT, NOBODY SAID ANYTHING. OKAY. YES. SO YOU'RE REALLY DON'T, DON'T WORRY YOURSELF. DON'T WORRY ABOUT GETTING ALL EXCITED ABOUT YES. OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST. AT THIS POINT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING. SHOULD SOMEBODY GET UP AND SAY ANYTHING, IT'S OUR PROTOCOL THAT THE APPLICANT IS THE LAST ONE THAT DOES GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT. SO AT THE END OF ALL THIS, BEFORE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO YOU GUYS ANYWAY. AT WHICH POINT, IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE ARGUMENTS PERFECT TO COUNTER, BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE KIND OF SWINGING, SORRY, WINDMILLS WHEN NOBODY'S REALLY SAID ANYTHING AND IT'S NOT REALLY A POINT THAT WE DO THAT. MM-HMM . SO I JUST WANT TO, WELL SAVE YOU SOME AGGRAVATION AND GETTING EXCITED BEFOREHAND WHEN, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES FIRST. OKAY, MR. BAKER, GO AHEAD. I, I SEE A LOT OF CARS PARKED OUT HERE AND LET ME, LET ME FINISH HERE. AND, AND SO I SEE A LOT OF CARS PARKED OUT HERE AND I KNOW THAT IN, IN THE SUMMER TEXAS HEAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF HAIL AND EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN WANTING CARPORTS AND, AND, AND, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER STUFF. IS, IS THAT GONNA BE THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS TEXAS MM-HMM . AND WE GET PRETTY HOT SUMMERS HERE. WE'VE JUST HAD ONE. AND SO JUST BE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET RID OF YOUR GARAGE, YOU'RE GETTING A RID OF A PLACE TO PROTECT YOUR CAR. YOU'RE GETTING RID OF A PLACE, YOU KNOW, THAT KEEPS IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HEAT AND THE HAIL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. JUST REMEMBER THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M OBJECTING TO, YOU KNOW, WANTING, NEEDING SPACE FOR A CHILD OR ANYTHING ELSE OR, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DEVALUATING YOUR HOUSE IN THAT REGARD, BUT I AM SAYING PEOPLE HERE IN TEXAS LIKE TO HAVE THEIR CARS PROTECTED. YES. JUST TO ANSWER THAT AND I'LL, AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. THANK YOU. YES. I'M SORRY. YES. UH, JUST QUICK QUESTION, I MEAN, KIND OF ANSWER OF THAT. WE'RE ONLY FOUR IN THE HOUSE IS MY HUSBAND, MYSELF AND MY SON AND MY DAUGHTER. BUT SHE'S 12. SO THE ONLY ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CAR, IT'S US THREE. I GUESS THAT WAS A BAD PICTURE. , WE HAVE PROBABLY COMING PICTURE ALL THE NEIGHBORS GO TAKE A PICTURE OF ALL THE CARS OUT FRONT. , I DON'T THINK YOU SAID WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, WAS THE GARAGE ALREADY CONVERTED MINE? YEAH. NO, NO. YOURS WAS THE GARAGE WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE. MM-HMM . I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE HOUSES THAT HAVE THE GARAGE CONVERSION. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THE REAL ESTATE, THEY ALREADY HAD THE GARAGE CONVERSION WHEN I MOVE IN. OKAY. MM-HMM . WELL, JUST THE VERY VISIBLE YOU CAN VISITORS TELL RIGHT AWAY. WELL I'M SURE THEY DID. AND MR. BAKER DRIVES A BLACK SUV LIKE THAT SO HE KNOWS IT'S TEXAS AND IT'S HOT. SO OH YEAH. HE KNOWS VERY WELL HOW HOT THOSE CARS CAN GET. UH, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS? NOTHING. JUST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO POINT OF BRINGING STUFF THAT IS YEAH. YOU BRING UP A LOT OF STUFF BEFORE IT'S EVEN IN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE ARE BETWEEN THE BELL RING , YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THE TESTIMONY GOES BACK AND FORTH. BUT SOMETIMES WITH A CASE LIKE THIS YOU'RE INTO, YOU'RE SWINGING. IT [00:30:01] GOES FROM YES. SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. AND I KNOW JUST WANNA MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT. YES MA'AM. UM, JUST BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE YOUR DECISION, I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND, LIKE AGAIN THERE, IT'S GARAGE CONVERSIONS ALREADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THREE THAT ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE. ONE THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN SOLD AND LISTED AS NO GARAGE. BUT NONE OF THOSE ARE LEGAL. NO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THEY DID NOT GET APPROVED FROM GRAND PRIX THAT THEY HAVE ON THE RECORD FOR IT. THAT'S ALL I'M TELLING YOU. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I WANTED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. RIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, AND I FOR ONE, APPRECIATE A THAT YOU DID A NICE JOB WITH IT AND THAT YOU'RE GOING BY THE RULES, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO REWARD THE PEOPLE THAT SNUCK AROUND, DID IT WITHOUT PAPERWORK AND THEN PUNISH THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO PLAY BY THAT RULES. BUT RIGHT. THIS IS THE PROCESS. THIS IS WHY YOU'RE HERE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD THAT HAS, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? AM I RIGHT? NO. MS. RO HERE. NOT FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M SORRY, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR STAFF. IS THERE, LET ME, LET ME DISMISS THEN REAL QUICK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. FLORES. JOSH, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. IS THERE ANY GARAGE CONVERSIONS THAT ARE LEGAL? NOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, NO. NOT THAT, NOT THAT WE COULD FIND. DEFINITELY NOT WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA, BUT I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY ZBA CASES IN THAT AREA. SO WE HAVE GARAGE CONVERSIONS THAT ARE, ARE ILLEGAL AND WE HAVE A PERSON HERE THAT IS TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING BUT LEGALLY RIGHT. AND GET PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND THEM SHOULD HAVE DONE AS WELL. THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY. WELL, AND THE CITY'S NOT NOT DISPUTING THAT. DISPUTING THAT. AND THE CITY, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT IS. THE CITY IS NOT AGAINST THIS. RIGHT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT. RIGHT? YEAH. I I THINK WE ALL HAVE A PRETTY CRYSTAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEFORE US. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 5? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2, 3 0 8. OKAY SIR, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO COME ON DOWN AND YOU DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD THAT SHE IS WAVING WILDLY OR YOU HAVE A BLANK ONE THERE OR WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? NO, I HAVE IT FILLED. YOU HAVE A FILLED OUT ONE. I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. COME ON DOWN SIR. WE'LL NOW HEAR AND SHE'S NOW GOTTA COME DOWN AND SEE IF SHE'S FASTER THAN YOU ARE TO GET DOWN HERE SO I CAN READ THE CARD. IT'S OKAY IF YOU'LL START, SIR, WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US YEAH. WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US. GO AHEAD SIR. UM, MY NAME DENNIS CROW. YES SIR. I LIVE AT TWO 18 OAK HAVEN DRIVE. GRANBERRY. UM, YES, I'M IN OPPOSITION. UM, AND I KNOW YOU AND THE REASON WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT OPPOSITION, I MEAN, I'M BRINGING UP OPPOSITION, BUT THE REASON WHY I'M GONNA BRING UP THE PAST HEARING MM-HMM . IS BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THAT'S FINE. OKAY. PERFECTLY WITH YOUR RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. UH, SO WE HAVE THIS STARTED BY A VIOLATION OF A CITY OF A PERMIT FOR THE GARAGE CONVERSION. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO, AND THAT TOOK PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY CITATION OR ANY MONEY INVOLVED IN A FEE OR A TICKETING OR ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, THE CITIES DOES THEIR JOB. THEY DID A STOP WORK. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HERE. SO IT WAS OPPOSED LAST TIME. OKAY. BUT BUT PRIOR TO THAT, THE GARAGE CONVERSION WAS ALREADY DONE OR PRETTY MUCH DONE. OKAY. SO IS IT, HAS IT BEEN REVERTED BACK, IS MY QUESTION. OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SO I I REALLY THINK THAT THIS FOR THE, FOR TO GET THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND I THINK, OKAY, WE DIDN'T GET THE PERMIT. WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT. WE WE'RE OPPOSED. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE REVERTED BACK AND THEN WE TRY AGAIN. OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA DO THIS TILL YOU, WE GET LENIENCY. UH, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. BUT, OR THEY GET LENIENCY ON IT. SO THE BURDEN IS ON US, NOT THEM. UH, WE WE'RE HERE TO SAY THAT NOBODY ALLOWED ALL THE OTHER CONVERSIONS. THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WE, THERE'S SO MANY NEIGHBORS THAT COME AND GO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. NOBODY ALLOWED. SO THOSE OTHER PEOPLE THAT PUT IT IN WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE LIVE SHOULD THEY HAVE TO REVERT THEIRS BACK? NO. BUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF A HOME THAT'S BEEN SOLD ALREADY TWICE THAT WAS CONVERTED, THAT SOMEBODY MOVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEES IT. HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT IF I WAS CONFRONT YOU WITH THAT, HOW WOULD YOU EVEN HANDLE YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. THE ENFORCE YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WE ALLOWED IT BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THEY ARRIVED THAT WERE EVEN THERE DEALING, LOOKING AT THAT OR EVEN KNOWING ABOUT THAT BESIDES ALRIGHT. WHERE NOT EVERYBODY LIVED THERE A HUNDRED YEARS. I GOT THAT. OKAY. SO I'M JUST SAYING [00:35:01] WE'RE NOT GONNA GO WITH SAYING WE ALLOWED IT OR EVERYBODY ALLOWED IT. OKAY. AND BECAUSE ONE'S DONE THAT WAY, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S OVER SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND UNTIL YOU GO DOWN AND CHECK AND LOOK AND NOBODY WAS DOING THAT IN THE DAYS ANYHOW. 'CAUSE NOBODY WAS TRYING TO REALLY BE CONCERNED WITH THAT. BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS I OPPOSE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OF THE, THE WAY IT, THEY CAME ABOUT IT AND ALSO THAT THE, UH, THE WAY AGAIN THAT THE APPEARANCE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES, WHETHER THERE'S TWO OR THREE THAT DON'T LOOK THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY WERE CONVERTED AND THEY, THERE'S A GARAGE MISSING WHERE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS OUTTA PLACE AND THEN THERE'S A WINDOW THERE AND THE CAR BUMPER HITS THE WINDOW PRACTICALLY, WHICH JUST DOESN'T LOOK NORMAL. AND SO BASED ON THE DESIGN OF THOSE HOUSES, THE WAY THE DEVELOPERS PUT THOSE HOUSES IN, THERE'S THE GARAGES. MOST OF THE GARAGES ARE ALL FACING THE ROAD AND THEY LOOK CONSISTENT AND IT LOOKS NICE AND IT LOOKS SO WHEN YOU GET, YOU GET THIS ONE THAT'S NOT, AND YOU GOT A, A DOOR WITH A WINDOW HERE WITH THE DRIVEWAY THERE. AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE TWO, SOME ARE DOUBLE CAR GARAGE AND SOME ARE SINGLE. BUT IN THIS, SO THE PURPOSE OF IT WAS, UH, WAS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE CONVERSION WAS TO CARRY ON THAT LOOK OF LOOKING LIKE A DR UH, A GARAGE WAS THERE BECAUSE THE CAR IS GONNA BE ON THE OUTSIDE ANYHOW. AND SO IT WAS, THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE WAY THE, THE UH, THE HOUSING, UH, GREENWOOD HILLS ADDITION WAS SET UP BASED ON THE DE RESTRICTIONS OKAY. AND SO FORTH. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WE WANTED THAT MAINTAIN AND IT HAS SLIPPED SOME BECAUSE A FEW STEPPED IN. BUT DO WE SAY ONE TURNS ALL THE OTHERS INTO CONVERSIONS WITH THAT DON'T MATCH AND ANYTHING GOES. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO SO YOUR CHALLENGE IS NOT THAT THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING 'CAUSE YOU BY YOUR OWN TESTIMONY, THERE'S ALREADY SOME IN THE RIGHT. I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL'S GONNA SET A PRECEDENCE HERE TODAY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE, I'M I'M ASKING BECAUSE HOW DOES THIS WORK? UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT THAT IF LET'S JUST SAY THE OTHER CONVERSIONS, WHICH THEY SAID SOMEBODY ALLOWED, RIGHT? WELL IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T PULL A, BUT CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE LOOK BACK AND CHECK TO SEE IF ANYBODY PULLED PERMITS? SO HOW ARE WE GONNA KNOW ANYHOW? AND BY THE TIME IT'S DONE, THEY CAN DO A CONVERSION ON THE WEEKEND. PRETTY MUCH SO, AND AS I, AS I INTERPRET WHAT STAFF'S TOLD US, IT'S THAT'S A TOUGH ENFORCEABILITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST YEAH. TO GO OUT THERE AND, AND, AND PROBABLY AN UNREASONABLE STANDARD THAT ANY HOUSE THAT WE CAN'T FIND PAPERWORK ON RIGHT. WE START CHANGING BACK GARAGES AND TEARING DOWN CARPORTS AND, AND GETTING RID OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL BARRY THINK, AND I ALSO THINK STAFF TESTIFIED THAT THEY LOOKED AND COULDN'T FIND ANY PAPERWORK. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT FROM LACK OF TRYING THAT THEY DIDN'T FIND THE PAPERWORK. EVIDENTLY THERE WAS NO PAPERWORK OR AT LEAST NONE IN THE LAST I SEE STAFF LEANING AND, AND WANTING TO TURN MIKE ON. SO, SO ZBA RECORDS A AND PERMIT RECORDS, UM, THEY DO GO BACK BACK PRETTY FAR. OKAY. AND STAFF RESEARCHED AND WE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY THAT WERE LEGALLY PERMITTED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, AND I I'M, I'M I'M JUST LOOKING, YOU KNOW, IF UH, IF THERE'S A, THERE COULD BE UH, A HUNDRED WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT I'M SAYING THAT YOU, YOU'RE TELLING ME, OR I'M CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PRECEDENT SET HERE THAT THE NEXT PERSON THAT DOESN'T GET A PERMIT COMES AND ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS. IT'S EASIER TO GET FORGIVENESS AND PERMISSION AND THEN NOBODY'S GONNA BE DOING PERMITS ANYMORE. NOT YET. NOT YET. THAT'S EASIER TO GET THAT. 'CAUSE SO FAR, A LOT OF PEOPLE NEVER ASKS THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIVING JUST FINE SELLING THEIR HOUSE, MAKING THE MONEY WITH A CONVERSION. THAT THE CHALLENGE IS IF YOU GO TRY TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BRING IT UP, THEN IT BECOMES PUBLIC RECORD. NEIGHBORS CAN SHOW UP AND IT MM-HMM . THIS, THIS HAS BEEN IT THE OTHER WAY, BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE, THIS IS THE HARDER WAY TO DO IT. I RESPECT YOU COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING TO IT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE IN THE ROOM EARLIER WHEN WE ASKED STAFF, I KNOW YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP THE DEED RESTRICTIONS BEFORE AND I GET THAT, THAT ACCORDING TO STAFF INTERPRETATION IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS BOARD. NO RESTRICTIONS. YOU SAID THAT WE, THAT'S NOT AN ENFORCEABILITY THING FOR THE CITY. SAID THAT. I'M BRINGING UP THE PAST OF THE, THE REASON THAT FOR THE CONSISTENCY LOOK OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT PUT THOSE HOUSES IN THERE AND BUILT THOSE HOUSES THAT WAY. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT'S ALREADY NOW LISTEN, YOU ASKED ME THIS QUESTION LAST TIME AND IT'S A, TO ME IT'S SORT OF A WALKING ON EGGSHELLS HERE. FOR WHAT I SAY THE CONVERSION IS NOT THE PROBLEM. ALRIGHT? OKAY. BUT I'M CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT [00:40:01] HERE BECAUSE YOU SAY A CONVERSION, THEN YOU LET THEM DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. WE WANT THE CONSISTENCY OF THE LOOK. CAN WE WORK TO GET THE CONSISTENCY OF THE GARAGE DOOR BEING THERE? YOU DON'T WHY YOU GOTTA PUT THE WINDOW IN AND ALL THAT. THAT'S THE CONVERSION IS THE SPACE THAT'S ACQUIRED. AND, AND SO IN IN IN PAST CASES, YES SIR. WE'VE HAD THIS HAPPEN AND THEY'VE BEEN REVERTED AND THEY PUT THE GARAGE DOOR UP. OKAY. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. SO I'M, IT GOES EVERYTHING SO FAR ALL I'M SAYING IS WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SLICES OF THIS SITUATION. I I UNDERSTAND YOU MR. LANG. SO OPPOSITION IS, UH, THE WINDOW, BUT IF THE GARAGE DOOR WAS THERE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SATISFY YOU GUYS? YES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. ACHE? MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU LIVE THERE WHEN I THINK THERE WERE, I THINK THREE CONVERSIONS ALREADY. TWO OR THREE. OKAY. I'VE ALREADY SEEN 'EM ON THE PICTURES. DID YOU LIVE THERE WHEN THEY WERE DONE? SO DID YOU LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE WHEN THOSE WERE DONE? SO I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE, I'M 64 RIGHT NOW. I MOVED IN NEW WHEN I WAS ABOUT 20 SOMETHING, A LONG TIME. I'M A YOUNG MAN. MM-HMM . I MOVED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, AND I'M USING THIS AN EXCUSE 'CAUSE BUT I'M NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. LOOKING AT THAT GOING AROUND. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE QUESTION FOR ME IS FOR YOU. I CAN'T, I I WOULD SAY THAT I DIDN'T, THERE'S THREE THERE NOW. SO THIS IS GONNA BE NUMBER FOUR. THERE'S THREE THERE NOW. SO YOU'RE CONCERNED IF THIS, IF FOUR, IF IF FOUR, THESE THREE GOT THERE FOR FREE, NOBODY CAME AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING. EVERYBODY JUST KEPT THEIR DIDN'T SAY WORD. AND THOSE DO NOT HAVE GARAGE DOORS. THAT ONE I SAW DOES NOT HAVE GARAGE DOORS. SO NO ONE SAID THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT AND THAT THAT'S FINE. THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT, THEY ONLY NOTIFY TWO TO THREE PEOPLE DOWN FROM WHERE THE USUALLY I THINK THAT'S WRONG. THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED. THAT THEY ONLY NOTIFY SO MANY PEOPLE AND WE DON'T GET A FAIR SHOT AT KNOWING UNLESS THE NEIGHBOR COMES DOWN, ANOTHER NEIGHBOR COMES DOWN. RIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T MEET AND HAVE MEETINGS. WE DON'T KNOW EVERY NEIGHBOR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THERE'S THREE YARD ALREADY THERE. IF THERE'S THREE YARDY THERE. DID, DID SOMEONE TRY TO STOP THEM WHEN I KNEW IF THAT HAPPENED EARLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I'M, I'M RIGHT. I'M PRETTY SURE IT DID FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT. YES SIR. I WASN'T EVEN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETTING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PEOPLE YET. SO I WOULDN'T KNOW AND BE PART OF THAT, LET ALONE WOULD I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY PULLED A PERMIT TO GET THAT CONVERSION AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT. BUT YOU COULD'VE, YOU COULD'VE SEEN IT DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. I MEAN, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO YOU COULD HAVE SEEN IT AND YOU COULD HAVE RAISED A RED FLAG TO THE CITY. NO, BUT I'M SAYING AT 20, AT 20 SOMETHING YEARS OLD, I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN TO EVEN CONSIDER CONCERN MYSELF WITH THAT. OKAY. I'M NOT, I I WASN'T EVEN, I'M, I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT IIII APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TESTIMONY. I APPRECIATE, I RESPECT THAT YOU COME DOWN AND DO THIS. THIS IS, THIS IS HOW IT'S LETTER. GO AHEAD, SIR. YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU CAN WRAP UP? SO JUST TO CLOSE UP THAT, UH, I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A PRECEDENCE HERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT, UH, IT TAKES, IF IT TAKES ONE OR TWO TO CHANGE THE REST. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SETTING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. AND UH, I JUST, I MEAN, YOU WANNA KNOW HOW MANY HOMES OR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONE, TO CHANGE IT FOR ONE PERSON TO MAKE EVERYBODY LOOK BAD. AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS ISN'T, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A SAYING, NOT MAKING ANYBODY BAD, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE APPLE MAKES ALL THE OTHERS ROTTEN. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING SET HERE TONIGHT IF WE DO THIS. IF IT, IF IT, IF I'M NOT, I'M NOT. OKAY. UM, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO OPPOSE IT? UH, CAN EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND TELL EVERYBODY? IS THAT OUR JOB TO DO THAT? THE BURDEN IS ON US. IT IS. IT REALLY IS. IT'S THE BURDEN IS ON US. SO THEY'LL, IF THEY NOT CONVERTED BACK. AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WAITING FOR LENIENCY TO GET I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION, SIR. I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. OKAY, GO AHEAD. IN TERMS OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVERTED, WHAT MEASURES HAVE YOU TAKEN FOR THOSE HOMES TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT? WELL, WE, WE, WE MENTIONED, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED THAT AND IT'S, WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AT THE CITY AND PEOPLE, UH, IT IT, TO ME IT'S A LOT. THEY, THEY'RE TOLD ME AND SEVERAL OTHERS. AND OF COURSE WE HAD IT FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND TO REMEMBER THE NAMES OF WHO WAS CITY COUNCIL OR WHO WAS THE CITY PEOPLE BACK THEN. UH, [00:45:02] IT WAS, UH, BASED ON THE FACT OF WHEN YOU BUY A HOME AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN THAT WAY AND YOU, THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT IN GOOD FAITH, AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU, YOU, YOU COME UNDERNEATH THEM AND TRY TO TELL 'EM, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO GET THIS CONVERTED. NOW HOW DO YOU DO THAT? AND, AND WE DON'T, WE WON'T GET THE CITY TO BACK US UP ON IT. 'CAUSE THEY'LL SAY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE INVOLVEMENT IN THAT. SO IT'S A TOUGH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO, SO THERE'S HASN'T BEEN ANY MEASURES TAKEN TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE HOMES? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MEASURE TO TAKE. OKAY. LEGALLY WITHOUT BEING, UH, GOING INTO A LEGAL ASPECT OF IT. NOW SOME OF THESE WE HAVE DONE LEGALLY TO, FOR THE CONVERSIONS BASED ON D RESTRICTIONS. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S NO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER, UM, PROTOCOL FOR THAT. SO, AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THIS HOME, BUT I WOULD PRESUME BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UM, TESTIMONY IF YOU WILL, THAT YOU JUST GAVE, IF THESE OTHER GARAGES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED FOR OVER, WHAT, 20 YEARS AT LEAST IF THEY'VE MOVED IN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. WE TALK ABOUT 'EM, WE USE THE WORD PRECEDENCE A LOT. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY IF THEY MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SAW THESE OTHER GARAGES CONVERTED, IT'S REASONABLE FOR SOMEONE TO THINK, OKAY, I CAN DO THE SAME THING. AND TO ME AS A HOMEOWNER FOR MY NEIGHBOR TO NOW COME AND TELL ME THAT I CANNOT DO THE SAME THING YET THESE, ALL OF THESE OTHER HOMES AROUND ME, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVERTED. SURE. I CAN UNDERSTAND. AND IT SEEMS PRETTY, PRETTY REASONABLE TO ME FOR SOMEONE TO THINK THAT THIS IS BEYOND A GARAGE CONVERSION. AND SO, RIGHT. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE BEYOND. BUT NOW, NOW LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM MY SIDE HERE. I'M NOT GARAGE CONVERSION. THINK ABOUT IT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE SEEN THEM, THE HOUSES THE WAY THEY WERE. AND WHEN THE ONES THAT DID GET CONVERTED OR STARTED TO BE IN NOTICE. AND YOU SEE AS YOU, AS YOU GROW IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SEE THE CONSISTENCY, AND NOW I SEE SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AND HASN'T EVEN BEEN THERE ONE OR TWO YEARS OR WHICHEVER. I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK LESS, BUT, AND THEN IT JUST CHANGES. AND IT WAS JUST LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE THEY SAID, I SAW THAT ONE. YOU KNOW, AND IF WE'D HAVE KNOWN IT WAS GONNA BE THAT WAY, BELIEVE ME, WE WOULD'VE, WE WE'D HAD TO SPEND LOTS OF, LOTS OF MONEY. I'M SURE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING TO EVEN FIGHT THOSE OTHER HOMES. UH, AND AGAIN, IT WAS DONE MAINLY IT WAS DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PERMITS. NOBODY COULD, NOBODY COULD KNOW. AND THE, AND THE NOTIFICATION IS NOT THERE. GREENWOOD HILLS IS A SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF ITS OWN. IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTED TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S IN ITS OWN LITTLE, YOU COULD PUT A GATE ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONSIDER THAT THIS ONE PIECE OF AREA, THIS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, GREENWOOD HILLS SOUTH EDITION MM-HMM . BE MAINTAINED TO LOOK AND MAINTAIN THAT THE, THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT WAS INTENDED, DEVELOPERS INTENDED THAT TO BE. AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS JUST OPENS THE DOOR. EITHER WAY, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING AN HOA TOGETHER? WE, WE, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. IT'S VERY HARD TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION. BUT I FOUND OUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATION. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE TO GO DOWN. HAVE THE QUESTIONS FOR MR. CRAWL WHERE, OKAY. UH, MR. AADE QUESTION. YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS GENTLEMAN OR FOR UM, OF THIS GENTLEMAN AND IN GENERAL. GO AHEAD SIR. SO LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THREE OF THE HOUSES DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAYS IN FRONT OF. THEY'VE TAKEN THE DRIVEWAY OUT. THEY DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAY. THEY'VE TAKEN THE DRIVEWAY OUT FROM THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE CONVERSION. ONE OF THEM STILL HAS A DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. CONVERSION. UH, NO THEY DIDN'T TAKE THEM OUT. THEY WERE JUST SIDE SIDE. THEY'RE J ONE SIDE SIDE ENTRIES. GARAGES. YEAH. THEY WERE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REMOVED A DRIVEWAY. OH, DIDN'T ONE SHOWING ONE OF 'EM DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. ONE OF 'EM LOOKED LIKE IT HAD A J ONE. SO YEAH, IT'S OFF SIDE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE ARE IN DANGER OF TRIPLING OUR STANDARD FIVE MINUTES FOR EACH CARD, WHICH WE COULD DO AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, WHICH IS TEMPORARILY STILL ME, . UH, BUT IF NOBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM MR. CR, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN HIS POSITION PRETTY CLEARLY OUT. ANY OTHER FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU SIR. I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. UH, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OR JUST BEING REGISTERING YOUR MS. FLORES? AS I TOLD YOU, IF WE GET ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION, WE TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS HAVE A REBUTTAL FOR THE APPLICANT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE [00:50:01] WISH YOU TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE, MS. FLORES, I WILL ASK YOU TO COME DOWN NOW. YOU GOT SOME WINDMILLS YOU CAN ADDRESS? GO AHEAD. UM, MY NAME IS JOSHUA FLORES. UH, IN MY OPINION, IT SEEMS UNFAIR THAT WE'RE TARGETED AND TOWARDS OUR HOUSE ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE COURT ENFORCEMENT WAS CALLED TO REMOVE THIS GARAGE CONVERSION. AND IT SEEMS UNFAIR THAT THE OTHER HOUSES WERE NEVER INVOLVED ON GETTING THOSE HOUSES COMFORTED BACK. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ONE OF THE PHOTOS ON FOUR, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER HOUSE? FOUR 13 MANHATTAN DRIVE. THE ONE WITH THE, THE ONE WITH THE BIG, WITH THE FOUR WITH A BIG WINDOW. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO THAT HOUSE WAS CONVERTED IN 2010, WHICH WAS PRETTY RECENTLY. AND THAT RENOVATION WAS, TOOK ABOUT ALMOST A YEAR TO GET RENOVATED. AND IT SEEMS UNFAIR THAT NOBODY MADE ANY COMPLAINTS ALL THIS TIME AND NOW THAT NOBODY NOTICED. NOBODY NOTICED. YES. YES. WE MOVED BACK ON 2008. 2008. YEAH. IT'S NOT LIKE HE KICKED REPEATING THAT. WE ARE NEW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE NOT NEW. WE BACK, WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 2008. SINCE WE MOVED FROM 2008. THOSE HOUSES HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. THERE IS NO WAY, LIKE I SAID ONE MORE TIME, HE LIVES ON OAK HEAVEN. I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DIDN'T SEE THE HOUSE THAT IS RIGHT ON HIS STREET, BUT HE DID TELL MY HOUSE THAT IT'S, I LIVE ON A DEAD END. THERE'S, I MEAN, UNLESS HE GOT LOST AND HE MOVED, HE WENT AND DROVE TO MY HOUSE AND SAW IT. HE DID TELL MY HOUSE, BUT HE DIDN'T SELL THE ONE ON, ON HIS STREET. THAT SEEMS TO BE UNFAIR TO ME. GOTCHA. UM, ANOTHER THING THEY WERE MENTIONING ABOUT REMOVING THEIR DRIVEWAY ON ONE OF THE HOUSES, ONE OF THE HOUSES, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY DID REMOVE THE, THE ONE THAT JUST SOLD. THEY REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY. THEY REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, RATHER THAN EVERYBODY GETTING DIFFUSED, I THINK WE'LL FOCUS ON THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT'S, OF COURSE, IT'S, WE CAN REALLY, HECK, WE CAN'T EVEN FIND THE PAPERWORK ON SOME OF THIS. SO I DON'T WHETHER A DRIVEWAY IS VIS ABOUT HIM MENTIONING TO GET, I'M, I'M OKAY IF YOU GUYS PUT A FINE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GOT THE PERMIT FIRST. I AGREE TO PAY FOR IT. I'M NOT, BECAUSE I ADMIT THAT IT, I SHOULD NOT DONE IT WAS OUR FAULT DONE. IT WAS OUR FAULT NOT TO GET THE PERMIT FIRST. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT BECAUSE DID YOU STOP WORK WHEN THE INSPECTOR SHOWED YOU TO STOP WORK? YES. OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY THE FINE JUST BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. WHICH IS GETTING THE PERMITS REQUIRED. YES. GOTCHA. THE CITY WANTS TO FIND ME. I'M OKAY. I PAY WITH IT. I PAY FOR IT. OKAY. BUT IT JUST SEEMS FAIR TO BE ACTING THE FAIRWAY AND LIKE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS IT. I DON'T SEE WHY. WELL, I SAID AT THE TOP OF THIS, I THINK HE DID A NICE CLEAN JOB. I UNDERSTAND MR. CARL'S OPPOSITION, BUT I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ALREADY GOT SOME IN THERE. IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT SETTING THING. AND WHAT YOU GUYS BUILT IS A BETTER WAY. THE CHALLENGE OF WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY? DO YOU SNEAK IN AND GET AWAY WITH IT OR DO YOU GET THE PERMITS? YOU DID DO IT AND GOT CAUGHT, BUT NOW YOU'RE HOLDING UP UNTIL WE GET IT ALL CLEARED UP. AND IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS, SO BE IT. I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. I APPLAUD BOTH SIDES FOR COMING DOWN HERE TO DISCUSS THIS THING. UH, I THINK IT LOOKS JUST FINE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME. DOES ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF NOT, I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY GOT WHAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. AND WE GET OVER HERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS CASE? I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF STAFF AS I, YOU'RE NOT ON THE PAGE, BUT STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. ANY DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 5. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER, A SECOND FROM MS. SECOND RODIER. SO THE MOTION BEFORE US IS TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS VARIANCE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THIS MOTION. 1, 2, 3, 4. DAVID, WHERE ARE YOU? YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION? YEP. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. SO BY A VOTE UP SIX TO TWO. HERE WE GO AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT [00:55:01] CASE. CAN I, ONE QUESTION. IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WE'RE PUTTING BOTH GARAGE DOORS BACK UP, COULD THEY COME BACK AND THEN FINISH THE INSIDE? COULD THEY GET QUESTION THEN COME BACK TO US BEFORE SIX MONTHS? THAT'S SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO RUN BY LEGAL, BECAUSE THE UDC STATES THAT IT HAS TO BE AN ALTERED, UM, I FORGET THE EXACT WORDING, BUT THE, THE REQUEST HAS TO BE ALTERED ENOUGH, UM, FOR IT TO REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD AND COME BACK BEFORE, UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE AFFIRM MY LEGAL. SO I, I CAN'T, WELL, IT'S CONFIRM THAT RIGHT NOW THE, UM, BECAUSE I TRULY, I MEAN THE GARAGE CONVERSION, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY THAT'S BEEN ALTERED BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY JUST GIVING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. WELL, FOR GARAGE CONVERSION, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE WE, FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST ASKING. NOW WE KNOW. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT [5. ZBA-23-08-0056 (Council District 1) – Special Exception for a front yard carport, located at 2302 March Lane, legally described as Lot 15, Block G, Sherwood Estates Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Single Family-Three Residential District] CASE. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE ZBA 23 0 8 0 0 5 6 IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR A CARPORT LOCATED 23 0 2 MARCH LANE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT IS THE FRONT YARD CARPORT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING CARPORTS IN THE AREA. THIS IS JUST NOT WITHIN THAT 800 FOOT BUFFER. SORRY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SORRY. NOW WITHIN THE 800 FOOT BUFFER, UM, BUT IT IS, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING FRONT YARD CARPORTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE DID RECEIVE ONE OPPOSITION LETTER. IT'S IN YELLOW. 48 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE IS NOT AN HOA STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT AS REQUESTED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS CASE? TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT. THANK YOU. BRITTANY, I HAVE AN APPLICANT CARD. IT IS FOR, UM, B BIANCA BLANCA RODRIGUEZ. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN AND TELL US ABOUT THIS OR YOU JUST WANT TO, YOU'RE HERE IF YOU, WE HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, I'M OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE OKAY. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK UNLESS ANYBODY'S GOT PRESSING QUESTIONS. WE'LL LET THE APPLICATION STAND ON ITS MERITS. WE DO HAVE A CARD IN OPPOSITION. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. WE DO HAVE A CARD FROM A AND I'M GOING TO A DEAN, LAST NAME. DEAN, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM? I HAVE A CARD HERE FOR FROM 10 63 KLINE? MM-HMM . AND YOU WANTED TO COME SPEAK OR JUST IN OPPOSITION? NO SPEAKING. NO SPEAKING. ALL RIGHT. BUT WE WILL LET IT RECORD ON THE RECORD THAT YOU'RE HERE IN OPPOSITION, BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. THAT BEING SAID, ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? SEEING NONE. I WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND ACCEPT ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 6. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER. CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A, SO SECOND MS. MOTION FOR MR. BAKER? SECOND. FOR MS. ROGERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL WE NEED TO DISCUSS? UH, ANY. NONE AT ALL. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ASK FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. A THIS MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. BRITTANY TAKE TO THE NEXT CASE [6. ZBA-23-08-0057 (Council District 1) – Special Exception to allow for stacked parking and to reduce the number of off-street parking spaces permitted under the Unified Development Code, located at 810, 812, 814, and 816 Premier Parkway, legally described as Lots 4-7, Carrier Parkway Townhomes Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned Multi Family-One] PLEASE. ALL LAST AGENDA ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX CBA 23 8 0 0 5 7. THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST LOCATED AT EIGHT 10, A 12 8 14 AND EIGHT 16 PREMIER PARKWAY. AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING ONE. SO THE REQUEST IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO NONS STACKED GARAGE PARKING SPACES. UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING ONE GARAGE SPACE THAT MEETS OUR, OUR STANDARDS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL STACK SPACE. UM, JUNE ACTUALLY LOOKED UP IN THE BREAK. SO, UM, IN 1990 WHEN THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SPOKE OF WAS BUILT, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT. SO AT THE TIME, THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE GARAGES THAT WERE NON STACKED. SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED. YOU CAN SEE THERE, UM, AT THE SMALLEST 12 FEET BY 35, THE LARGEST 13 BY, UH, 35 APPROXIMATELY. SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE SITE APPROXIMATELY WHERE THOSE FOUR, UH, TOWN HOMES ARE GONNA BE LOCATED. SO 39 NOTICE IS RESENT ZERO, RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA STAFF CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AS REQUESTED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS VARIANCE IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP. AND AGAIN, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS ONLY FIRE LANES, NO ON STREET PARKING IS GOING TO BE PERMITTED HERE. SO STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THAT. UM, IF [01:00:01] THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THOUGH WE DO ASK FOR THE TWO, WE DO RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THEY SHALL PROVIDE A MINIMUM 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE, WHICH THE SITE PLAN IS ACTUALLY SHOWING. AND THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TWO NON-ST STACKED OFF STREET PAY PARKING SPACES. THAT IS TO SAY TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES. THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TO MY RIGHT, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT. THANK YOU. BRITTANY, I HAVE ONE CARD. IT IS, I BELIEVE FROM THE APPLICANT FOR ANGEN. RIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE OR ARE YOU GOOD? NO, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK, WE ARE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU IF YOU'LL COME DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE. I BET YOU ARE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, YOU GOT QUESTIONS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THEY'RE GONNA WANNA TALK TO YOU, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS. ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, SIR. I'M SORRY. THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND YOU'RE RIA TA ADDRESS IS EIGHT TEN EIGHT TWELVE EIGHT FOURTEEN AND EIGHT 16 PREMIER PARKWAY. THAT'S WHERE YOU LIVE? NO, THAT'S WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? UH, I LIVE IN 7 0 3 8 IRON GATE PLACE, FRISCO, TEXAS. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THE, I HAVE A QUESTION. STAFF SAID THAT THEY HAD, UM, ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, THEY HAVE IN THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER FOR TOWNHOUSES THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PRESENTED OR GIVEN TO YOU POSSIBLY A WAY TO HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT. IS THAT RIGHT? WERE YOU I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTIONS. OUR STAFF PRESENTED EARLIER THAT THEY WERE, THEY HAD THEIR ENGINEERS SHOW THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES SIDE BY SIDE GARAGES ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT. SO, DAVID, CAN I CLARIFY REAL QUICK? SO A CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE. SO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS WENT THROUGH A CEP PROCESS THAT DID SHOW TWO GARAGES AND THE TWO DRIVEWAY SPOTS. OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? NO. NO. AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPERS GO, I AM NOT AWARE BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN, THIS IS MY PROPERTY THAT I BOUGHT THE, UH, THE LOTS AND I'M BUILDING THERE. SO, UH, PRIMARY REGIONS IS TO BRING UP THE AESTHETIC VALUE AND THE, AND, UM, SPACE UTILIZATION, THE FLOW OF THE SPACE AND ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IF IT'S 400 SQUARE FOOT IS FOUR OH OH SQUARE FOOT. YES, SIR. AND, AND SO YOU'RE STILL LOSING THAT 400 SQUARE FOOT AND IF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER STILL USING THAT SAME 400 SQUARE FOOT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS? UH, I WOULD THINK I WOULD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT MEETING A CODE. NOT EVEN HAVE TO SHOW UP HERE TONIGHT. I THINK I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT. WOULD YOU NOT BE INTERESTED IN THAT IN THE, IN THAT FLOOR PLAN? IN THAT FLOOR PLAN? YES. WELL, SO EVERY ARCHITECT THAT THEY HAVE COME IN, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN PLANS. UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT A BETTER PRODUCT TO THE PUBLIC AND HENCE I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A FACADE THAT SHOWED MORE OF THE PROPERTY THAN JUST THE, UH, TWO GARAGE DOORS WITH A BETTER CIRCULATION OF SPACE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. ADEEN? BRITTANY, CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE OF HIS, UH, FLOOR PLAN ? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IN ORDER TO HAVE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, YOU WOULD BASICALLY BE TAKING THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY YES. AND HAVING THAT BE GARAGE DOORS? CORRECT. AND SO WHEN YOU GO BY THE STREET, THE ONLY THING YOU'LL SEE IS THE GARAGE DOOR. I'M SORRY, IN A VERY NARROW ENTRYWAY VERSUS HERE, IF YOU GO ONTO THE, YOU COULD HIT THE ENTER BUTTON. JUST THE ENTER BUTTON. YES. YEAH. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A NICE FACADE, JUST A SINGLE GARAGE DOOR AND ACTUALLY A PORCH IN THE FRONT. MY OTHER QUESTION KIND OF FOR STAFF IS WHY IS THIS WITH US INSTEAD OF P AND Z? DOESN'T, THIS SEEMS LIKE A P AND Z QUESTION. SO THIS PROPERTY DID NOT GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO THIS, IF IT HAD GONE, IT WOULD'VE GONE THROUGH A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE CORRECT AVENUE WOULD BE P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL. SO BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST COMING FOR THESE FOUR LOTS FOR REQUEST AND THE REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES THAT ACTUALLY Y'ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT, WHICH IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WE DO WITH GARAGE CONVERSIONS, YOU'RE GRANTING A REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? [01:05:01] NONE. MY THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 7 SAYING NONE. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 7? IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 7 WITH THE CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE IN A TWO NON-ST STACKED PARKING SPACES ON THE, FOR OFF THE STREET PARKING. ALL RIGHT. LEMME CHECK WITH LEGAL. 'CAUSE WE'RE MAKING A MOTION THAT IT'S NOT THE REQUESTED VARIANCE. SO WE REALLY CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THE VARIANT. THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT'S BEFORE US? IS IT? DOES SIDNEY ASKED TO HAVE THAT TAKE ON? SORRY, GO AHEAD SIR. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER BAKER IS MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE APPLICATION AS IS, BUT WITH CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY STAFF WITH STAFF PROFESS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOW THAT I'M CAUGHT UP TO SPEED, IS EVERYONE ELSE ON BOARD AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? MS. BU? YOU GOT A QUESTION? CLARIFY CHUNG, IF YOU WOULD, DO WE NEED TO BREAK UP THE MOTION THEN? IT MIGHT BE CLEANER FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND. SO HOW WOULD WE DO GO ABOUT DOING THAT? WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THE, MY MOTION IS THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA 2 3 0 8 0 0 5 7 WITH THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS 0.1, TWO, AND THREE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, WHICH IS WITH THE 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE, A MINIMUM OF 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE AND A TWO NON STACKED PARKING SPACES OFF THE STREET. OKAY, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING NOW. CLEAR. ARE YOU CLEAR NOW PER, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? PER RECOMME, PER STAFF CITY RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE THAT IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE. SO WE'RE MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THESE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE STAFF DID PREVENT PROVIDE US A RECOMMENDATION IF WE DO CHOOSE TO GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THEY RECOMMEND THESE THREE ADDITIONS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AS WELL? BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, OKAY, SO BEFORE I BEFORE THAT, WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK DOWN, SIR? OKAY. SO HOLD THAT THOUGHT. LET'S TALK. YEAH. 'CAUSE IF WE'RE MAKING A MOTION, I GOTCHA. DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? IS THAT DOABLE FOR YOU? UH, WHICH IS THOSE ONE? WELL, 200 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE YOU'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN. YEAH, THAT'S, WE'RE GOOD THERE. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO HAVE A SECOND PULLOVER PARKING SPOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR GARAGE TO HAVE THE SECOND PULLOVER PARKING SPOT. SO, SO THERE'S A DOUBLE WIDTH. SO IT'S A DOUBLE PARKING SPOT. IS THAT DOUBLE WIDTH GOOD FOR YOU? ENTRY? YES. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, YES. AND YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO NOW THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE AND APPROVE ZBA MOTION. OKAY, MS. I HAVE BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, GO AHEAD. OKAY. YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? SURE. THE QUESTION, UH, IS TO STAFF. SURE. SO EXPLAIN THE, THE REASONING WHY STAFF IS OPPOSED TO THIS. IS IT, IS IT THE FIRE CODE ISSUE? SO IT'S A, THAT THIS, THIS IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP. OKAY. SO THIS IS, THERE IS NO HARDSHIP HERE THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THIS VARIANCE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS KIND OF HOW OUR UDC IS WRITTEN, BUT ALSO TO THE POINT IS THAT THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS ALL FIRE LANES, SO THERE IS NO ON-STREET PARKING IT, ON-STREET PARKING IN THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS PROHIBITED. AND SO STAFF IS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT, ESPECIALLY AS WE BUILD OUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM . IF YOU ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO MOVE CARS IN AND OUT OF A STACKED PARKING SITUATION, POTENTIALLY, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT FOR TRAFFIC AND BUT ALSO FOR FIRST RESPONDERS. SO THEY WANT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PULL OUT INTO ANOTHER PARKING SPOT WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON THE STREET. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. OKAY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP AGAIN OF THE, OF THE SITE? WELL, WHAT HE, THE, THE FRONT FACADE I THINK IS WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR. SO, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT THIS PIPE THEN PUT A LITTLE THING RIGHT HERE. YEAH, JUST PUT A LITTLE PIECE OF CEMENT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE WINDOWS. YEP. AND THE DOOR. SO IT'S ALL, NO, IT'S NOT ALL, IT'D JUST BE ENOUGH FOR A CAR. SO OUR STANDARD DRIVEWAY SPACES, I BELIEVE ARE 18 BY 18. SO IN, IN THIS PROPOSAL HE'S SAYING LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, BUT ADD TO THE LEFT. I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRST ONE TO THE LEFT. SO HE'LL YOU'LL PULL IN AND HE'LL HAVE CEMENT TO THE LEFT OF THE CAR. HE'D PROBABLY GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS GARAGE. YEAH. SO IT ACTUALLY GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS BOTH GARAGES AND THEN A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT TO GET HIS FULL TWO WIDTH OF A CAR. SO THE FRONT KNOW WE HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTER. IT MAY NOT CROSS ALL THE WAY I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT, IT'LL CROSS PART OF THE WAY, WHICH THEN MIGHT NEED THAT TO GET INTO THE DOOR ANYWAY. SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING REQUEST IN YOUR [01:10:01] PROPOSAL, LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, BUT IT'S ADD A LITTLE PIECE OF CEMENT HERE, RIGHT HERE, HERE AND HERE. EXACTLY. FOR ANOTHER, THE CAR. RIGHT. OKAY. WHICH IT WOULD HAVE IF IT WAS A TWO CAR GARAGE. RIGHT. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR US WITH GARAGE CONVERSIONS AS WELL. WE REQUIRE A TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES. YEAH. SO, SO YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THIS AESTHETICALLY, I I SEE WHERE HE'S TRYING TO NO, I SEE. I, I GOT, I GOT IT. I, I SEE WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO. AESTHETICALLY I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS ALL GARAGE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A DOOR ON THE SIDE. MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING UPSTAIRS I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER AESTHETICALLY I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CITY'S COMING FROM. SURE. WHICH MAKES THE DECISION DIFFICULT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF COOL TO HAVE A GARAGE THAT DEEP FOR WORKSHOP AND STUFF LIKE THAT. RIGHT. SURE. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'D BE KIND OF A NEAT YEAH, IT MAKES A GREAT CONVERSION LATER. YEAH. AND MAKE GREAT CONVERSION. YEAH. THEY CAN, THEY CAN CONVERT ONE OF THOSE SPACES INSIDE TOO, ANOTHER ROOM. RIGHT? UM, WHICH IS GONNA HAPPEN. YEAH. YEAH. UH, YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO WITH WHAT HE'S PROPOSING IT, IT ALLOWS ANOTHER CAR TO PARK THERE. YES. AND ALLOWS FOR TWO OFF STREET PARKS. RIGHT. AND THEN SOMEBODY COULD STILL PARK BEHIND THE OTHER CAR TOO, RIGHT? IT, IT GOES FOR, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR, YOU COULD HAVE ACTUALLY FOUR CARS OFF THE STREET. RIGHT. SO YOU STILL KEEP THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE AS HE, AS THE GENTLEMAN HAS DESIGNED IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE THE, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT IT, YOU STILL SEE, LIKE HE SAYS, NOT SO MUCH THE GARAGE WILL SAY. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO ONE LAST QUESTION MS. ROGER. GO AHEAD. LAST. OKAY. SO, UM, BASICALLY IT'S THE, THE OUTSIDE IS GONNA LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKS MM-HMM . CORRECT. YOU HAVE AN ARCHITECT COMING IN OR THE PEOPLE THAT BUY THOSE UNITS HAVE AN ARCHITECT COMING IN TO DESIGN THE INTERIOR SPACE. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I'M SORRY. NO, THE, I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO COME BACK DOWN 'CAUSE EVERYTHING'S ON MICS HERE. I'M SORRY, SHE'S DIRECTING THAT QUESTION. IT'S YOU SIR. SO I DO NEED YOU, I'M THE MICROPHONE. I THINK SO, YEAH, SURE. BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE SAID MADE ME WONDER, BUT YOU HAD STATED THAT AN ARCHITECT IS GONNA COME IN AND DESIGN THE, THE INDIVIDUAL SPACES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PURCHASE THOSE, OR NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS A DESIGN. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE ARCHITECT, WHAT IS HE DOING THEN? YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE ARCHITECT, THE INDIVIDUAL ARCHITECTS WILL DESIGN SOMETHING. NO. SO WHEN I SAY INDIVIDUAL ARCHITECT, THIS IS A FOUR UNIT, UH, TOWN HOME. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S ONE ARCHITECT, I'M THE DEVELOPER FOR THOSE. OKAY. FOUR UNITS. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. SO THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 30 LOTS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE ARE OTHER OWNERS FOR THE DIFFERENT, OKAY. YES. OKAY, I GOT YOU. JUST TO SEPARATE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DOES. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU SIR. ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS OR WE'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER SWING IN A MOTION HERE. WE WE GOT THE MOTION. HE'S MADE THE MOTION. WE NOW UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? DO YOU NEED TO RESTATE IT OR DO YOU GOOD IT WITH WHAT YOU SAID? I THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BAKER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. FROM MR. DEAN. ANY LAST MINUTE DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU TO VOTE THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN BY ACCOUNT OF SIX TO TWO. THIS MOTION DOES NOT PASS. WHICH TAKES US TO OUR LAST THING ON. DO YOU NEED THE COUNTS ON THE VOTES? I GOT 'EM. YOU GOT 'EM? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHICH TAKES US TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE PART. AND IT WOULD HELP IF I PAID ATTENTION TO WHERE, WHICH PAGE I'VE GOT IN FRONT OF ME. WE NOW HAVE TO TURN TO [ELECTION OF OFFICERS] THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS IS WE NEED TO VOTE ON A CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIR FOR THIS, FOR ZONING. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. CHAIRPERSON BASICALLY READS, READS THE MINUTES, CONDUCTS THE OVERALL PROTOCOL OF THE MEETING, SO TO SPEAK. UH, AND TRIES TO KEEP US FROM GETTING IN LEGAL TROUBLE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE A VICE CHAIR FOR WHEN I GET HIT BY A BUS OR WHOMEVER THE NEW CHAIR IS. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS AND NOMINATE BARRY SANES BE PRESIDENT? WELL, PRESIDENT IS NICE CHAIRMAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PRESIDENT EITHER. THAT'S CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. YEAH. EVERYBODY GETS INDICTED FROM THAT. MR. MR. THAT'S NOT GOOD. MR. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. DEAN. THANK YOU SIR. AND A SECOND, UM, FOR CHAIR. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? YOU GUYS ARE THAT CONFIDENT? I AM NOT A HEALTHY MAN. LOOK AT ME. I'M ONE BUTTERED BISCUIT AWAY. HOW CAN YOU GUYS, I'M NOT IN GOOD HEALTH, YOU GUYS. WE GOTTA HAVE A VICE CHAIR. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE CHAIR. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON CHAIR. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON CHAIR? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND [01:15:01] ASK YOUR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BARRY SANDERS AS CHAIR OF ZBA. PLEASE RAISE RIGHT, RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. AYE. OOH. OOH. BY A COUNT OF EIGHT. OH, I CAN'T LET IT GO. SEVEN ONE. UH, OKAY NOW VICE CHAIR. I'M ONE MINUTE LESS HEALTHY THAN I WAS A MOMENT AGO, SO SPEAK UP MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION. MR. BAKER. DAVID BAKERS VICE CHAIR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MS. ROGERS. SECOND FROM MR. LANGSTON. ALL THOSE, ANY OTHER MOTIONS? ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? SEEING NONE. ASK YOU TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO BY SEVEN TO ONE MR. BAKER'S THERE. UH, NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE FILLED OUT A WHITE SPEAKER CARD, UM, YOU CAN GET UP AND SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES. YOU CAN FILL THE BEST REST FOR A WHOLE WHOPPING FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WANT, UH, ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO CARDS. WE'RE ADJOURNED. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.