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[Planning and Zoning Staff Briefing]
TO THE STAFF BRIEFING OF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE MEETING OF MAY 8TH, 2023.I'M CHERYL SMITH, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS STAFF BRIEFING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 5:35 PM THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS WHERE THE STAFF BRIEFS THE COMMISSION AND PREVIEWS THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASES.
NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE BRIEFING.
PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WILL BEGIN NO EARLIER THAN 6:30 PM I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE.
PETE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR CALL.
PETE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO ENSURE EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU.
ARE THERE ANY ITEMS IN WHICH WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY? NO, MA'AM.
STAFF, ANYTHING YOU HAVE ON THE AGENDA YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT? YES.
UM, SO THE, THE FIRST ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS ACTUALLY A REPEATED CASE THAT, UH, WAS TABLED AT THE LAST PNZ MEETING, WHICH WAS, UH, APRIL 24TH.
THIS IS A VILLA SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
UM, WE HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IT.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY HAD ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS SO FAR.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO, UM, DO THAT, UH, UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL DAY.
WE HAVE BEEN STRONGLY ENCOURAGED THEM TO BE JUST COMPLETELY OPEN, DISCLOSE ALL INFORMATION, UM, ONLY CHANGES THAT WE DID RECEIVE THREE LETTERS, UM, IN OPPOSITION FOR THIS CONSIDERATION.
UM, I HAVE PRINTED THOSE OUT AS THEY WERE RECEIVED.
AFTER PACKET HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED, I'LL DISPUTE IT SO THEY, AS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, JUST FYI, TWO OF THEM WERE SENT FROM DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
ONE LETTER WAS SENT IN FROM KIND OF FAR AWAY, BUT STILL WITHIN THE OAK, UH, THE SHEFFIELD OAK HOLLOW AREA.
UM, IT WAS JUST TOO FAR TO BE SHOWN ON THIS MAP TO BE PRACTICAL.
SO I JUST, UM, ONLY SHOW THE ONES THAT ARE NEARBY.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, THREE LETTERS.
ONE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE REASON.
ANOTHER ONE WAS SAYING, UM, THEY WANTED THE TOWN HOMES TO BE OWNED.
UM, ANOTHER ONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT AS WE HAVE COVERED, THIS IS FOR TOWN HOME, NOT FOR, UH, MULTIFAMILY PER SE.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW OF THOSE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPH AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, YES, MA'AM.
THEY ARE, UH, ONLY CHANGING JUST THE, UH, THE LOOK.
THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE, THE FACADE OR WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? SO THEY'RE CHANGING JUST THE FACADE, THE ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE THEY ARE CHANGING THE COLORS, MATERIALS AND PATTERNS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, WHAT WE HAVE INFORMED THEM IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, CAN EITHER APPROVE OR APPROVE A CONDITION OR DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE CHANGE OF THE MATERIALS.
HOW WE'RE HAVING TO PRESENT THIS CASE AS 'CAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S THE APPLICATION.
THERE'S A NEW OWNER, BUT THEY HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED WITH THE, THE, UH, THEY HAVE NOT MADE CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY YET.
WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAS ENCOURAGED THEM.
LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO BECAUSE THEY DID REACH OUT TO ONE PERSON THAT WAS LISTED AS A HOA PRESENT ON OUR WEBSITE.
BUT OUR WEBSITE IS SELF-REPORTING BASED.
SO IF THEY DON'T LET US KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
WE MAY NOT HAVE THE MOST CURRENT DATES DATA.
SO WE DID ENCOURAGE THEM, HEY, CONTACT YOUR SELLER BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
SO LAST TIME I CHECKED, THEY STILL HAVEN'T HAD THAT MEETING YET.
SO NOTHING WAS ANYTHING SENT OUT AGAIN, TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY.
SINCE THIS IS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THEY WOULDN'T, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SEND OUT THE LETTER.
THEY, THEY DO, THEY DO HAVE A SIGNS UP THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? UM, YOU SAID THEY'RE THE OWNER, BUT ARE THEY THE OWNER OR JUST HAVE AN OPTION ON IT? SO THEY'RE, THANK YOU.
UM, SO TO BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT, THEY
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ARE UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT WHO GOT THE ZONE CHANGE DONE.THEY'RE, UM, HOPING THAT THEY CAN GET THIS NEW ELEVATIONS APPROVED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FITS INTO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND WHO WAS THE COUNCIL PERSON THAT YOU MET WITH? JUNE.
UM, YOU STATED THAT IN ESSENCE THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING IS THE FACADE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT'S THE APPLICATION TYPE THAT THEY APPLIED FOR, BUT REALLY IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S NOW OWNERS INSTEAD OF IT'S NOW RENTERS INSTEAD OF OWNERS.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT CHANGES.
SO, LIKE I SAID, ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS TRY TO BE VERY OPEN AND HONEST WITH THE COMMUNITY SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE PROCESS AND THE APPLICATION TYPE, THIS IS THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU WELL, I'M GLAD THERE WAS A MEETING WITH COM, UH, WITH COUNCILMAN LOPEZ.
'CAUSE I DID TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
AND HE, THAT WAS WHAT HE KEPT STRESSING THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT GONNA BE SIDE BY SIDE WITH THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS CONSISTENTLY ENCOURAGED THEM TO DO.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION, JOHN.
UH, JUST TO COMMENT, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE HERE? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT THEY'LL BE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
'CAUSE FOR ME IT IS, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PEREZ.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN AND ONLY THE FACADE, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE THAT IS CHANGING, SO, OKAY.
UM, EVEN AT THIS MOMENT, I STILL HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND THEY HAVEN'T MET WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF HOA, BECAUSE THE NEW PRESIDENT, MY GUT TELLS ME I HAVE TO LISTEN TO MY NEIGHBORS AND MY, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED AND MY HEART TELLS ME I NEED TO VOTE NO.
AND UNTIL THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH X, Y, AND Z AND BE TRANSPARENT MM-HMM
AND BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE HEARD BEFORE IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HEAR COMING FORTH.
AS ME, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S WHY THE COUNCILMAN AND STAFF HAS CONSISTENTLY EMPHASIZED DURING OUR MEETING.
SO, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT THE A CLAIM WILL BE THERE.
MR. UH, RAMEREZ JUST CAME IN AT 5 42.
UH, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN, IT'S, UH, UH, JOIN ITEM.
UM, IT IS A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT, UM, THEY GOT A ZONING CHANGE APPROVED RIGHT DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE ROCK ISLAND DRIVE FROM SINGLE FAMILY AND FROM COMMERCIAL TO BECOME A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UH, SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO REACH OUT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND IS REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE FOR THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, PLOT OF LAND.
SO BASICALLY, UM, THE COMPING PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CHANGED THAT FROM MIXED RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN CASE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
SO I'LL JUST KIND OF COVER THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST AND KIND OF COME BACK TO YOU.
SO THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST IS FOR THE PARCELS THAT ARE SHOWN INDICATED HERE.
SO ON THE TOP, THIS IS ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE, THEY HAVE A PD THREE, EIGHT, UM, 3 81, AND SINGLE FAMILY ONE.
THEY'RE ASKING ALL THESE THREE AREAS TO BE, UM, ZONING TO BE CHANGED TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL, YOU HAVE SEEN LAST YEAR THAT THEY HAD ACQUIRED THE LAND SHOWN HERE TO THE RIGHT NEAR THE ROCK ISLAND, AND THEY WERE REQUESTING ZONE CHANGE.
AT THAT TIME, THESE PARCELS KIND OF REMAINED AS THEY DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO ACQUIRE THAT.
SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AND HAVE DECIDED TO ACQUIRE THESE TWO PROPERTIES AND IS REQUESTING ZONE CHANGE.
THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP IMPROVE JUST OVERALL SITE BUILDING DESIGN AND THE FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS CONCEPT EVALUATION IS ACTUALLY FROM THE LAST CASE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ESSENTIALLY CHANGING ANYTHING.
AND THE ELEVATION WILL COME BACK FOR YOUR REVIEW DURING A SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THIS IS FOR A REFERENCE, JUST TO KIND OF REMIND YOU WHAT WE APPROVE.
THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR DATA INDUSTRIAL.
UM, BECAUSE THE FUTURE LINE USE MAP CALLS IT TO THIS AREA FOR MIXED RESIDENTIAL STUFF, IS NOT ABLE TO SAY WE SUPPORT, WE CAN SUPPORT THIS.
BUT WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, REQUESTED ZONING ACTUALLY MATCHES THE PREDOMINANT ZONING OF THE AREA.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THIS AREA IS ALREADY VERY HEAVILY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
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FOR STEPH? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS AN INTERESTING CASE.UH, IT, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF THAT LATELY.
HAVEN'T WE MEAN YOU GUYS DON'T APPROVE, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN BE THERE IN THE SPOT.
IT'S JUST IN, IN TERMS OF PLANNING THE PLANNING PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR IT OWN CHANGE THAT CONFLICTS WITH THE FUTURE LANES MAP.
SO THAT'S JUST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GOOD FIT, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY MAKE SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, Y'ALL COME IN MM-HMM
WE TRY TO PUT SOME LITTLE TIDBITS TO HELP YOU MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, AND PUT HOWEVER THIS MAKES SENSE FOR THIS SURROUNDING AREA.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S KIND OF LEANING ON Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MM-HMM
SO THE LUM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE IT.
IS THAT EVERY 10 YEARS? OR HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GONNA BE UPDATING THAT? I GUESS USUALLY EVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, BUT THAT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT DELAYED HERE.
UM, BUT I'LL SAY WE DID DO, UH, SINCE I GOT HERE, A GENERAL ANALYSIS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BUT IT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON MULTIFAMILY.
AND REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE MORATORIUM MM-HMM
SO WE STILL NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH AND DO THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO IT SECTION BY SECTION.
ONCE WE GET FULLY STAFFED UP, I'LL GET SOME PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
THIS NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP OVER AN EPIC EAST TOWN CROSSING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE OF THE BUILDING IS ON THE SCREEN, SO IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UH, TENANT FINISH OUT.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A 24 HOUR CLINIC.
UH, GIVEN THE OUTDOOR, UH, ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STAFF HAS CLASSIFIED IT TO REQUIRE AN SUP.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY, UH, TYPICALLY FIVE DAY STAFF ON SITE AT A TIME.
UH, THEIR OPERATIONAL PLAN INDICATES THAT THE ANIMAL WASTE THAT OCCURS WITHIN THE HOSPITAL OR OUTDOOR AREAS WILL BE COLLECTED BY STAFF AND DEPOSITED INTO CLOSED WASTE DISPOSAL CONTAINERS.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH SOME CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE OUTDOOR OPERATIONS SHALL BE LIMITED TO PET RELIEF AND EXERCISE.
UH, KENNEL ARE NOT PERMITTED OUTDOORS.
STAFF SHALL PATROL PATROL THE SITE AT LEAST TWICE DAILY AND PICK UP PET WASTE AND DISPOSE OF IT AS STATED IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN.
THEN FINALLY, THAT THE STAFF SHALL MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION OF THE TIME AND DATE THAT THE OUTDOOR PATROL AND CLEANUP TAKES PLACE, INCLUDING THE NAME OF THE STAFF PERSON RESPONSIBLE, UH, FOR AT LEAST THE PAST TWO MONTHS.
UH, THIS, UH, WILL ALLOW CITY STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY THOSE RECORDS AND ADDRESS IT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, MAD? YES.
I, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT STATUS VISUALLY, BUT IS THERE AN AREA THAT THEY'VE INDICATED, LIKE IS IT THE NORTH SIDE OR IS THERE A FENCED IN AREA OR THERE'S NO FENCED IN AREA THERE, SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA TAKE IT ON THE PARKWAY OR IN THE VACANT.
THERE'S LANDSCAPING TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND A COUPLE OF PARKING, UH, ISLANDS WITH LANDSCAPING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? YES.
I KIND OF HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS TO RELATES JUST TO PE UH, PET WASTE IN GENERAL THERE.
IF THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO, THEN IT'S GONNA BE IN A PARKING LOT THEN RIGHT.
AND THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION DID HAVE A FENCED IN AREA IN ONE OF THOSE, UM, UH, PARKING ISLANDS THAT WAS DESIGNATED.
UH, BUT THEY REMOVED THAT DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND ARE NOT SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC PLACE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, SITES LIKE THIS? ANY, THIS, IS THIS THE ONLY, THE FIRST VETERINARY EMERGENCY 24 HOUR THAT'S GONNA BE IN GRAND PRAIRIE? I, I WOULD HAVE TO, TO RESEARCH THIS, UM, BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE OTHER, IF WE HAVE OTHER SITES, WHAT DO THEY DO? I MEAN, WHAT WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE WASTE? WELL, IT, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
THEY'RE COLLECTING IT AND DEPOSITING IT IN THOSE, UH, WASTE DISPOSAL CONTAINERS.
I STAFF TO CHECK WITH, UH, GRAND PRAIRIE STAFF OVER AT PRAIRIE POS AND ASK KIND OF WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THEY PATROL MAYBE ONCE A DAY.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING TWICE A DAY JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED, HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT'S PICKED UP.
SO DID THEY SAY WHY THEY REMOVED THE ISLAND FENCE STOP AREA? THEY DID NOT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF REPRESENTATIVES HERE TONIGHT.
AND SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DETERMINE THAT YOU WANNA ADD AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION? SO NUMBER FOUR, SAYING THAT THEY PROVIDE A SPECIFIC AREA, UH, YOU ARE, ARE ABLE TO DO THAT AND I, AGAIN, DON'T SEE ANY, ANY SITE OR ANY PLANS TO SHOW ME.
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BUT DO THEY HAVE ANY GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE TO THEM OR ARE THEY CONCRETED UP TO THE BUILDING? YES, TO THE REAR AND THEN THE BUFFER AREA ALONG 1 61.SO THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS WERE, WERE APPROVED A WHILE AGO, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF FOR THAT USE MM-HMM
AND DO YOU, UM, DO YOU KNOW, IT SAYS OUTDOOR KENNEL.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY DO ANY BOARDING THERE? IT WOULD BE, UH, IN INSIDE.
SO, UM, I GUESS THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT FOR, UH, VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER HOW, HOW LONG THE STAYS ARE AND ALL OF THAT.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT VOLUME OF WASTE WHEN I WAS ASKING.
YOU ONLY HAVE A QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL.
I MEAN, I GUESS THE TWO DON'T GO TOGETHER, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE WASTE OR ANYTHING, THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP OR WHAT? SO THE CONCERN WITH ENVIRONMENTAL IS THAT IT'S PICKED UP AND THAT IT'S NOT SWEPT INTO THE, THE GROUNDWATER.
AND SO, UH, THESE CONDITIONS ARE DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE HA HAPHAZARD A LITTLE BIT TO ME.
LIKE IT DIDN'T TAKE A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT.
IT'S JUST LIKE THAT'S A CONCERN.
COMMISSIONER, YOU HAD MENTIONED THEY'VE REMOVED, THEY REMEMBER THE, UH, THE FENCING PORTION OF IT.
WHERE WAS THAT GONNA BE? OR YOU DON'T KNOW OR, SO IF YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS IS THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD'VE BE OCCUPYING ABOUT TO WHERE THAT LIGHT POLE IS.
AND THEN IT WAS IN THIS, UM, THIS PARKING ISLAND BACK HERE WAS WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOT.
SO I, I KNOW YOU SAID THEY'RE PICKING IT UP TWICE A DAY, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK IT UP IN THE PARKING LOT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM PATROLLING THEIR SITE.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE, UH, LOCATION MAP, BUT THAT WHOLE LOT.
SO WE WOULD EXPECT THEM NOT JUST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THEIR PORTION OF THE BUILDING, BUT ANYTHING WITHIN THAT THAT LOT.
SO, BUT DO THEY OWN, I MEAN, THERE'S THAT PLOT OF LAND.
DO THEY OWN THE GRASS BEHIND YOU OR IS SOMEBODY ELSE GONNA BUILD ON THAT IN THE FUTURE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO? SO THEIR SITE IS UP TO THE CREEK.
SO THEY DO HAVE THE GRASS BEHIND IT, SO THEY DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? UH, THIS NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WHERE THE SITE PLAN WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THIS IS OVER AT 2001 AVENUE K EAST, AND IT'S AN A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR FREIGHT CRAFTERS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION ON THE SCREEN.
THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND THE REASON THEY ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING OUTSIDE STORAGE WITHIN 300 FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONE DISTRICTS.
SO THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING TO THE EAST.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2021.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS IS, THIS PARTICULAR USER MANUFACTURES LARGE INDUSTRIAL CRATES.
UM, SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE THE AREAS IN YELLOW FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, SOME OF THE RAW MATERIALS, UH, JUST TOO BIG TO, TO STORE INSIDE.
UM, AND WE'LL STORE THEM THERE.
THEY ALSO STAGE KIND OF THE COMPLETED CRATES OUTSIDE, UM, TO PREPARE FOR, FOR DELIVERY TO THE CUSTOMERS.
UH, SO ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE WING WALL THAT'S REQUIRED, UM, AND CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
AND THEN THERE IS A, UH, MASONRY SCREENING WALL.
SO, UH, THESE TWO SCREENING WALLS WILL SCREEN THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
SHE'LL BE LIMITED TO THE AREAS INDICATED ON THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE MATERIALS IN THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREAS SHALL NOT BE STACKED HIGHER THAN THOSE SCREENING WALLS.
OH, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER LETTER AFTER THE PACKET WAS, UH, PUBLISHED.
COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER COEN SMITH, IS THIS GONNA BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING? YES.
BECAUSE THE HOME SIT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO ON THIS, THE SITE PLAN ON THE SCREEN, THE LOWER PART OF THE SCREEN IS THE WEST, UH, THIS IS AVENUE K EAST.
IS THERE HOMES IN THIS, I THINK IT'S A TRUCKING COMPANY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE TO 'EM, RIGHT? OR SOMETHING? YES.
IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, RIGHT? THERE WE GO.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S TO THE WEST.
THE TRUCKING COMPANY'S TO THE WEST.
OH, THE, THE HOMES ARE TO THE EAST THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEY'RE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PARKED IN, IN THE, UH, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE, THE PLAT THERE, RIGHT? THIS YES.
THE STORAGE IS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
THAT'S, CAN YOU GO BACK AND THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL BE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THE BUILDINGS WILL
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BE BLOCKING ANY NOISE TO THE, TO THE HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE, CORRECT? ON SOUTH, RIGHT.IS THAT A, IS THAT A MOBILE ONE PARK OR, LET'S, DUE SOUTH OF THE RED, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED THE CONDOS.
OH, IT'S, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THOSE, UH, TENANTS.
UM, IT WAS A, I'LL LET THEM SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL ON THAT MEETING, BUT THEY HAD, UH, A MEETING WITH THEM AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE SUPPORT HAS COME FROM.
NOT SURE WHERE THE OTHER, UH, OP LETTER OF OPPOSITION COMES FROM, BUT THEY HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM.
WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE USING SOME TYPE OF LIKE, FORKLIFTS AND MATERIAL AND, UH, MACHINERY TO MOVE THOSE AROUND.
CAN REALLY WAKE YOU UP AT NIGHT.
SO WE MIGHT PUT A RESTRICTION ON HOURS THAT THEY CAN BE LOADING OR UNLOADING IN THAT AREA.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THEIR OPERATIONS ARE.
OKAY, FIRST, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE TIMEFRAME ON OPERATIONS, BECAUSE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE 300 FEET.
WELL, I COULD HEAR, I COULD HEAR FROM MY HOUSE SEVERAL, UH, COMPANIES IN THAT AREA.
THOSE, THE, THE BACKER BEEPERS ARE DESIGNED TO WARN PEOPLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE BACKING UP AND THEY WORK VERY WELL,
AND I WILL SAY THEY'RE SHARP, THEY'RE SHARP NOISES.
THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUOUS, BUT THERE'S SHARP NOISES HEARD ONE LAST NIGHT.
SO THIS ORIGINALLY ENCOURAGE, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHERE, WHERE THE WIND'S COMING OUT OF SOME NIGHTS ALSO.
WHETHER YOU HEAR SOMETHING OR NOT.
THE TRAINS, I CAN HEAR TRAINS ON THE TRACK DOWN HERE, SO WE'LL CHECK WITH HIM.
COMMISSIONER MADDEN, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT THE WING WALLS, ARE THEY AS TALL OR TALLER THAN THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING? OR ARE THEY GONNA STACK THE ITEMS THEY'RE PRODUCING? DO WE KNOW? SO THE, THIS WING WALL HERE IS 16 FEET.
AND I'M CONFIRMING THAT WITH THE YES.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THE CONDITION IS WORDED THAT WAY.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT MATERIALS VISIBLE ABOVE THAT.
SO, UH, THIS IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THE SITE.
IT'S ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID THAT WITHOUT THE SUP IN THEIR POCKET BEFOREHAND.
SO WHEN THE SITE PLAN CAME THROUGH, IT WAS A SPECULATIVE WAREHOUSE AND THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TENANTS IDENTIFIED AT THAT TIME.
UH, THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE FROM INDUSTRIAL, UH, WAREHOUSES.
UH, SO AS IT GOES THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION, THEY THEN GO OUT AND, AND LOOK FOR TENANTS.
AND SO THIS IS BEING SPECIFICALLY DRIVEN BY A PROPOSED TENANT.
AND THIS IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS OWNER WHO'S IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND THEY'RE MOVING THEIR BUSINESS TO THIS LOCATION.
COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, JOHN, BUT I, I, I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING.
YOU DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET, SO THERE WAS LIKE MM-HMM
SPECULATIVE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU NEED AT THE TIME.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S WAREHOUSE.
THEY WANNA TURN THIS WAREHOUSE INTO A MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
SO THE PROPOSED USE IS ALLOWED.
WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IS OUTSIDE STORAGE OF THE MATERIALS THAT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO IF THEY WERE, HAD EVERYTHING INSIDE OF THEIR BUILDING TODAY, NO OUTSIDE STORAGE, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM LOOK CORRECT.
UNLESS IT CREATE LET'S, THEY START CREATING WHAT THEY WOULD CALL NUISANCE NOISE.
AND IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING FROM, FROM DOING SOUND, UH, STUDIES AND DECALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT NUISANCE IS OCCURRED BY THE COUNCIL, BY THE ZONING.
BUT, BUT THEY CAN BE FINED MULTIPLE TIMES.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S SO, IT'S SO CLOSE.
THIS STORAGE IS SO CLOSE TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL.
THE LAST CASE SDPI CAN RECALL THAT HAD OUTSIDE STORAGE NEAR RESIDENTIAL WAS PROBABLY IN 2021 OR 2022.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE RETUNE ROUTINELY SEE.
COMMISSIONER, UH, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
UH, RASHAD, AND I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF.
UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE I HEAR IT'S JUST OFF BY QUESTION.
YOUR QUESTION YOUR PROMPT TRIGGERS ME ON, UH, A POSSIBLE QUESTION REGARDING TO CASE ONE.
SO WHEN SOMEONE PURCHASES, BUT THEN HE OR SHE SELLS TO ANOTHER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO NOTIFY IMMEDIATELY THAT THEY CHANGED THE PURPOSE.
THAT INSTEAD OF FOR SALE VILLAS IS NOT GOING TO BE, OR FOR SALE IS NOT GOING TO BE A RENTAL.
THE THE END USE, WHICH WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THAT CASE WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
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RUNNING INTO UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THIS CASE, THE ZONING IS IN PLACE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.SO THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AND THE OTHER CASE, THE PRIOR CASE, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME SITUATION.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO REGULATE THE END USER AND THE END COMPONENT OF HOW THEY OPERATE REALLY.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SUP, IT'S JUST A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT ALL THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW YOU, I'M, I'M ON EDGE.
BUT UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT CASE IS A UNIQUE ONE.
AND I THINK IT MAY TRIGGER SOME THOUGHTS OF NEXT TIME WE HAVE A ZONE CHANGE TO A TOWN HOME OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING ON THE FRONT END TO BE FOR SALE.
WE MAY PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION IN THE PD LANGUAGE.
I HAVEN'T RUN THIS PAST LEGAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NO, YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE FOR SALE.
'CAUSE IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT END USER.
UM, AND EVEN IF THAT WAS THE SAME OWNER WANTING TO COME IN AND SAY, WE WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH WE COULD DO, UM, OUTSIDE OF DENY THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
BUT THE BIG, BIG PICTURE IS THE HOMEOWNER SITTING THERE HAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S GONNA BE FOR SALE AS OPPOSED TO RENTING.
AND THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, I AGREE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO TABLE IT.
SO THEY UNDERSTOOD HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE THIS IS.
COUNCIL MEMBER LOPEZ NOTED THIS ISSUE, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THEY REALLY WANT TO JUST, THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT THEIR PRODUCT, UH, THEY BELIEVE IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT.
UM, THEY ARE OPEN TO MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAD TIME AND THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS THINGS FIRST WITH, I GUESS THE SELLER AND THEIR TEAM.
SO DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME, I DON'T KNOW THEIR GOALS IN THIS MEETING, BUT THEIR GOAL WOULD PROBABLY BE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIOR TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO, TO HAVE IT BEFORE, UH, THEY CAME TO US AND I WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPECTFUL, BUT YEAH.
AND I DUNNO IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE BIRD'S EYE MORE HELPFUL.
AND IF YOU WANT ME TO ASK THE DEVELOPER, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IS THERE A REASON THEY'RE NOT GOING IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR HALFWAY UP THE WESTERN SIDE? I, I DO NOT KNOW.
IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY'VE, THE OWNER HAS ALREADY FOUND POTENTIAL TENANTS FOR THAT AREA.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, I'LL ASK THEM BEST ANSWERED BY THEM.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT DUE TO THE LOGISTICS OF THEIR SIDE OF AL ALSO ACCESS FROM THE NORTH WILL ALLOW FOR THEM.
I THINK ACCESS TO THE NORTH IS GONNA BE SOMEWHAT RESTRICTED.
SO I'LL LET THEM DISCUSS THAT.
WE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH THEM, UM, WITH CITY MANAGEMENT NOW WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY SELECTED THE SOUTHERN SIDE, BUT THEY CAN EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW CLOSE? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
THAT WELL PAD IS ON THE FAR, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THIS, THIS, UH, SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE.
IT BUMPS UP AGAINST THE DEPTH, BUT IT JUST, IF THEY DID IT THERE, I THINK THE SOUND WOULD CARRY FURTHER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS VERSUS THE, THE SOUTH, UH, WEST CORNER, HALFWAY.
WELL, HALFWAY WOULD, WOULD STILL BE AS BETTER AND WOULDN'T IN AFFECT THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S REALLY CLOSE TO YOU, RIGHT, JOHN? WELL, I, I DON'T, BUT I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WELL DEPEND ON YOU TO BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S IT ON THAT ONE.
I, THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, THE CASES, I'M NOT HERE TODAY.
UH, THE, THIS CONCLUDES, UH, THE BRIEFING SESSION.
WE WILL ADJOURN UNTIL, UH, 6:30 PM THANK YOU
[Call to Order]
PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THE MEETING OF MAY 8TH, 2023.I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:30 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.
ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
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ARE ROUTINE ITEMS WHICH CAN ALL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA.
INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD.
THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM BEING CALLED, I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE CHERYL SMITH.
PETE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR QUENTIN PETE.
AND NOW WE WILL HAVE, UM, INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER PEREZ, JULIA PEREZ.
AND THEN I'LL LEAD IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE US AND TEXAS FLAG.
DEAR LORD, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS OUR CITY HAS RECEIVED.
WE PRAY FOR THOSE IN POSITIONS THAT GOVERN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE PRAY WE WILL MAKE WISE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF GRAND PRAIRIE AS RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND VISITORS.
PLEASE PROTECT OUR MAYOR, ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY STAFF, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND ALL OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO PROTECT ALL OF US.
ALL THIS WE ASK IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN.
ALLEGIANCE ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I GLAD ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
AND BE VISIBLE IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS.
THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.
FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF, APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT.
ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING.
THE SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT.
IF APPLICABLE, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
AT THIS TIME.CITIZENS MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON AN ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES.
WE HAVE MARY GARZA THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
MS. GARZA, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE IN OAK HOLLOW, SHEFFIELD VILLAGE.
AND I, I'VE LIVED IN, UH, OAK HOLLOW SHEFFIELD VILLAGE FOR OVER 36 YEARS, ME AND MY HUSBAND, AND I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER, THE PRESIDENT OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IN, UH, DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK REQUEST THAT, UM, FURTHER ZONING CHANGES TO ADD MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
THIS, UH, SMALL TOWN FEEL IS GETTING SMALLER, BUT, UH, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU.
I'M SURE YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT APARTMENTS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW, BUT WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU NOT CHANGE THAT ZONING TO A MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, ANYTHING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MA'AM.
[PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA]
HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.BUT HE IS ONLY HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
SO IF YOU DON'T WISH TO SPEAK FROM HIM, YOU'RE FREE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT WHEN IT COMES UP.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTION? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT PERSON? NO.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING FORWARD.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA, UH, APPROVE OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 24TH, 2023 P AND Z MEETING.
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FOUR ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PEREZ.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
[5. STP-23-02-0006 - Site Plan - Villas at Bardin (City Council District 4). Site Plan Amendment to revise building elevations for 84 townhomes on 10 acres. A portion of Block 4, Sheffield Village Addition, Phase IV, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas zoned Planned Development (PD 425) with Townhome uses located in the southeast corner of Bardin Rd. and Magna Carta Blvd. with an approximate address of 2801 W Bardin Rd]
ITEM.SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS STP 2 3 0 2 0 0 6 VILLA AT BARDEN SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THIS ITEM ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.
DURING THE LAST PNZ MEETING ON THE APRIL 24TH, UH, PNZ HAS REQUESTED THE ITEM TO BE TABLED.
UH, SINCE THEN, THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGES MADE TO THE REQUEST ITSELF.
STAFF DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS THEY CAN.
UM, AT THIS TIME, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I BELIEVE YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN COVERING THAT DURING THE BRIEFING.
UM, JUST NOTING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE HERE, UH, WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AFTER THE PACKET HAS BEEN POSTED, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE DO HAVE ALEXANDRA JOHNSON AND SETH CARPENTER HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD.
UH, ADDRESS IS 400 RECORD STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THIS AF OR THIS EVENING.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND, AND, UH, AS NOTED, WE WERE HERE LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, TO DISCUSS THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, TONIGHT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AS, AS STAFF HAS NOTED, WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS.
WE'RE, WE'RE PROUD OF THOSE ELEVATIONS.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S CURRENT ARCHITECTURE AND, UM, AND FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, A GOOD BLEND INTO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT FOR THAT, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND, AND, UM, BE, BE HERE TO, TO DO THAT.
WELL, UH, I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE, UH, CHECK WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
THE MAIN CONCERN WE HAVE IS THE CHANGE OF, UH, GOING FROM A SALE TO RENTAL.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, TAKING OVER A A SITE THAT WAS OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS A BIT MISLEADING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS, WERE NOT REALLY AWARE OF THAT.
AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE, UH, COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S HUGE.
WE, WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION FROM LAST TIME.
OUR EFFORT WAS TO, TO OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC.
WE DID SPEAK WITH, WITH THREE PEOPLE.
WE DID SPEAK, SPEAK WITH COUNCILMAN, UH, LOPEZ LAST WEEK, ALONG WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS THE, THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY.
UH, AS NOTED LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION DIDN'T GO OVER WELL WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WEREN'T A PART OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING, UM, UH, A YEAR AGO.
UM, NOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL A YEAR AGO.
UM, AND SO TONIGHT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A, A CHANGE OF USE OR LAND USE OR ZONING ZONING CHANGE ON, ON BY ANY, ANY STANDARD.
UM, BUT WE ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING.
UH, WE DO INTEND TO LEASE THESE HOMES.
UM, AND THAT IS, UM, BUT, BUT OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MM-HMM
THE, THE CHANGE IN ELEVATIONS IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER PEREZ, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? YES, MA'AM.
WE, WE RECEIVED CONTACT INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
UM, THAT WAS A, A KIND OF A, A NON-LEAD OF, OF WHO THAT RIGHT CONTACT WAS.
UM, WE, WE, AGAIN, WE REACHED OUT TO THREE PEOPLE.
WE HAD CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
WE KNOW THAT THE HEARING WAS TONIGHT.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND, AND WE, UH, UH, JUST AS WE DID LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, I SHOULD SAY.
WE'LL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO OUTREACH.
WE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE UPDATED.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, AND, AND SO WE, WE WANNA BE TRANSPARENT THROUGH THAT.
WE, WE HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS DIRECTLY AND, AND, UH, WE, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY MORE PEOPLE WE NEED TO, FROM THE THREE PEOPLE OR FROM
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COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR WHO, WHO DID YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO? WE C WE CERTAINLY WILL.ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO US, WE, WE, WE FEEL THAT, THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT.
UM, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO, TO, TO COME DOWN THAT, THAT, UH, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE WITH US.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR POSITION OF, OF GOING FORWARD AT LEASE IS, AND, AND RENTAL IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS IS A PART OF THE CASE THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.
BUT WE DO WANT TO, WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE TO OUTREACH TO, TO THE CITIZENS AND, AND, UH, BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, AND WE'VE ONLY MADE JUST A LITTLE CONTACTS.
I MEAN, THREE PEOPLE I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE.
THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, THE PID INFORMATION IS ON A WEBSITE.
OAK HOLLOW, SHEFFIELD VILLAGE.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO BIG PICTURE FOR US IS THAT THAT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS MM-HMM
AND THAT SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH TIME TO TRY AND REACH THE REACH OUT.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
'CAUSE I'M IN DISTRICT FOUR AS WELL.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORTS COULD HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THAT.
UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE INFORMATION IS ON, IS ON THE WEBSITE.
AND I'M GLAD YOU REACHED OUT TO COUNCILMAN LOPEZ BECAUSE HE IS REALLY HANDS ON MM-HMM
AND HE DOES, YOU KNOW, CARE ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, COMMUNITY WANTS AND HE NORMALLY KNOWS THAT.
AND IT HAS THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN TOUCH WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, LOPEZ.
I MEAN C COUNCILMAN LOPEZ, UH, UH, COMM DO WE COMMISSIONS? DO WE HAVE, OKAY.
WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? CARPENTER.
UM, YOU WEREN'T THERE WHEN THE ZONING WAS APPROVED FOR THIS TO BE TOWN HOMES, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT WOULD IT BE FAIR THAT IF THE SELLER, 'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVEN'T CLOSED YET, RIGHT? SO HE'S STILL THE SELLER.
IF THE SELLER HAS HAD MADE REPRESENTATIONS TO THE COUNCIL WHEN THAT WAS REZONED, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD BE BOUND TO THOSE REPRESENTATIONS? UM, CURRENTLY THE ZONING, IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
AND, AND SO WE, WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT RESTRICTS ZONING.
UM, BASED ON, BASED ON THE NARRATIVE WITHIN THE PD OR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE, WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT RESTRICTS THAT.
AND SO, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I, I HAVE WATCHED THE COUNCIL HEARING.
I HAVE WATCHED, UM, I WANNA SAY WE WATCHED THE P AND Z HEARING, CERTAINLY WATCHED COUNSEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THEY DID INDICATE THAT THOSE ARE FOR SALE.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE, THE PD THAT WAS ISSUED, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY RESTRICT THAT.
BUT YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE SAYING NO, YOU SHOULD NOT BE BOUND BY THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT YOUR SELLER MADE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE.
AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD NOT REST WELL WITH PEOPLE? OH, I DO.
BUT AGAIN, I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BAIT AND SWITCH HERE LATELY.
I THINK IN THE, IN THE ROUND AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR CASE.
WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, BE BE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT THE BEST WE CAN.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, RE RECEIVED THAT.
BUT AGAIN, WE, WE LOOK AT THE CODE AS IT IS, AND WE LOOK AT THE ZONING AS IT IS.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE, UH, ARE MOVING FORWARD FOR THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSIONS, OR SHOULD THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU CURRENTLY WANT IT TO BE MULTIFAMILY? UH, NO, SIR.
YOU CURRENTLY WANT IT TO BE RENTED, EXCUSE ME.
BUT YOU COULD IN THE FUTURE, CHOOSE TO SELL INDIVIDUAL ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE PLOTTED.
UM, THE FINAL PLOT, UM, WILL BE ISSUED AS, AS SINGLE LOTS.
JUST LIKE EVERY, EVERY HOME TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST OF US.
AND THEN WHEN WOULD, WHEN WOULD YOU, OR WOULD YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IMPOSING AN HOA AT THAT POINT? UH, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS, AS WELL.
WE, WE WILL BE A SINGLE OWNER, SO WE WILL HAVE THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
UM, THE HOA IN THAT SITUATION DOESN'T SERVE A LOT OF PURPOSE OTHER THAN PROBABLY JUST ESTABLISHING ONE.
BUT, UH, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT.
THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS, JOHN.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, A P WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE P
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T, UM, CONTEMPLATED TO THIS POINT.
COMMISSIONER, ALL OF ALL OF THE ROADS ARE, AND
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ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE PRIVATE.THIS, THIS WILL BE GATED COMMUNITY.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
SO IT'LL BE A GATED COMMUNITY WITH, WITH PRIVATE STREETS.
UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS HERE THAT MEETING, AND WE HAD A FULL HOUSE AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY WERE PRESENT, AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY WILL BE SOLD BECAUSE THEY SAID, AND WE HAVE ENOUGH APARTMENTS, WE'RE BEING SURROUNDED BY APARTMENTS.
SO I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE.
UM, SO IN THIS SITUATION, I, I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS WERE BASICALLY, WERE TOLD SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO PRESENT IT.
SO IT PUTS ME IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE PRESENT.
AND I, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I DO, WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT WE, WE ARE PROPOSING AN AMENDED ELEVATION.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE, WE, WE ARE PROUD OF THAT, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRODUCT.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S A, A, A BETTER LOOK FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO YOU SAID EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO REITERATE WAS TONIGHT'S JUST ABOUT YOUR ELEVATION.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT, I THINK, UM, AND THIS'LL BE THE END OF IT, AT LEAST FROM ME, I THINK THE MAJOR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THE MULTIFAMILY FEEL LIKE THE RENTAL PROPERTY IS BECAUSE OF THE UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY THEY DON'T HAVE INVESTED, UM, MONEY IN IT.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WITH A SINGLE OWNER ACROSS ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES TOGETHER, THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
UM, SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST HERE TONIGHT TO APPROVE YOUR, YOUR, UM, ELEVATION.
I THINK A BIG PART OF IT ALSO WAS THE REASON THAT SOME OF THAT ZONING WAS CHANGED WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE GONNA BE FOR SALE.
IT ORIGINALLY WAS NOT ZONED THAT WAY.
AND, UH, I DO RECALL BACK THEN THAT THAT'S WHY THAT IT WAS CHANGED WAS BECAUSE WE WERE PROMISED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE, UH, OH, I WON'T SAY THE WORD PROMISE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE DON'T HOLD THEIR PROMISES.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GONNA BE FOR SALE.
AND THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE BEHIND THERE, THAT LIVED BEHIND THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE FOR SALE.
AND LIKE YOU, SHE SAID THIS WAS A FULL HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THE SIGNS THAT ARE POSTED THERE NOW, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA PROBABLY THINK IT'S THE SAME THING COMING UP.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY REALIZE THAT IT'S A CHANGE OF FACADE OR ELSE THIS HOUSE WOULD BE PACKED AGAIN.
SO THE TWO WEEKS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE RESIDENTS, I THINK, UH, MAYBE THE PID BOARD PRESIDENT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, ALSO GET OUT THERE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A PID BOARD MEETING SINCE THAT TWO WEEKS.
THAT Y'ALL COULD HAVE GOTTEN IN CONTACT WITH US.
AND, AND, UM, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MARY AND, AND LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS.
UM, WE, UM, UM, BUT AGAIN, UNDER UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE THAT OUTREACH, UM, AS WELL.
I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT WAS PROMISED.
I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT I HEARD IN THE HEARING ON THE, ON THE TAPE RECORDING.
UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE FACT THAT WHAT'S BEFORE US TO NOT MM-HMM
IS REALLY THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT RIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO MORE QUESTIONS.
MARY GARZA WISHES IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
AGAIN, MARY GARZA, OCA SHEFIELD VILLAGE.
AND, UM, I AM JUST REQUESTING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
UH, I, UH, DID, UH, EXPRESS MY, UH, CONCERNS IN THE, FOR THE APRIL 24TH MEETING.
I COULDN'T BE HERE AND I WOULD'VE CONTACTED OUR, UM, NEIGHBORS, OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO, WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
UH, WE JUST HAD A SERVICE ON SATURDAY.
BUT I AM, UH, ASKING THAT WE, UM, WAIT OR GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE TIME OR TABLE IT OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO THE, TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND, AND
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TALK ABOUT IT.UM, AND I DRIVE MY DRIVE, THE PI AND, UM, COMMUNICATION WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE TALK AND WE HAVE MONTHLY PI MEETINGS.
AND SO ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR, IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PID MEETING ON, UM, THE 18TH, WHICH IS THURSDAY.
AND ALSO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMUNICATION OR IF A NOTICE WAS SENT OUT, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE SENT OUT WHEN IT WAS FIRST ORIGINALLY, UH, BEING CHANGED.
SO AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.
AND I KNOW IN YOUR, UH, MINUTES FOR THE APRIL 24TH MEETING, YOU REQUESTED THEY REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND I HAVE REACHED OUT TO HIM.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM YET, BUT I HAVE REACHED OUT AND I KNOW I WILL.
'CAUSE HE IS, YEAH, HE IS, UM, CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, AS THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
AND SO, UH, THE PIT INFORMATION CONTACT EMAIL IS ALSO ON THERE.
AND IT HAS BEEN SINCE, UH, LATE LAST YEAR.
SO WE DID ADD THAT TO MAKE IT EASIER.
SO AGAIN, I'M JUST REST REQUESTING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WE JUST WANT TO LET THE PROCESS WORK, WORK THROUGH, THROUGH THAT.
AND SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND THERE'S NO SURPRISES OR HARD FEELINGS OR FEELING LIKE THERE WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH.
I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER MADDEN HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WELL, I I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE BUILDING WHAT IS MEANT TO GO THERE.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE ISSUE? LIKE, IS THAT THE CONCERN? WELL, IT'S THE, UH, LEASING OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S ALSO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS.
SO I MEAN, THE DESIGN OR ANYTHING.
AND I WAS ON A BRIEF, UH, CALL, I WAS NOT ABLE TO BE ON TO SEE THE PICTURES.
AND I'M SURE I'LL PROBABLY SEE THEM A LITTLE BIT LATER.
I THINK SHE'S GONNA PUT 'EM UP.
SO THIS IS, TO ME, IN MY MIND, IT'S AS IF I, UM, DECIDED TO DEV, UH, DEVELOP A, A COMMUNITY OF HOMES.
AND I DECIDED TO BUILD 20 HOMES.
AND I DECIDED I WANTED TO KEEP THEM ALL.
AND THEN I DECIDED I WANTED TO RENT 'EM OUT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE AS A RESIDENT OF GRAND PRAIRIE, AND, AND TELL ME IF YOU, WHAT YOU THINK, UM, IF THE HOMES ARE CARED FOR AND THE PROPERTY IS CARED FOR PROPERLY, THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE, CORRECT? WELL, ALL I'M ASKING IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS, BUT OKAY.
AND THEN TONIGHT THOUGH, IS SIMPLY ABOUT ELEVATION.
SO WHETHER OR NOT WE SAY YES TO THIS ELEVATION TONIGHT, OR NO TO THIS ELEVATION TONIGHT, THEY'RE STILL BUILDING PROPERTY, OR THEY WILL BE BUILDING PROPERTY THAT, THAT MEETS THE PLANNING AND OR THE ZONING.
SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT WILL, IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL HAVE TIME TO REACH OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO YOU'LL JUST, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT NOT BE A LOT OF REPRESENTATION HERE NOW.
DON'T MISREAD THAT AS NOT, NOT INTEREST, NO INTEREST IN THIS.
UH, BECAUSE TO ME, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH COMMUNICATIONS, BUT TONIGHT'S JUST ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AND I'M NOT MM-HMM
I JUST, WHATEVER YOU DO TONIGHT IS FINE.
I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND IT DOES HAVE TO STILL GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE YOU KEPT SAYING, I WISH THERE WERE MORE TIME, TIME.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LIKE, MORE TIME FOR THIS PART IS NOT GONNA HELP THE CAUSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I MEAN, IF THE COMMUNITY KNEW MORE ABOUT IT AND, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS IS NOT, I DON'T THINK UNFAIR FOR IT, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO COME UP AGAIN FOR YOU TO VOTE ON IT.
AND I, I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE.
'CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT OUR, A COMMUNITY COMES OUT AND LETS US KNOW HOW THEY THINK.
NOW, YOU, YOU, YOU MAKE SOME GREAT POINTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU, TO BE A GOOD, UH, THE, UH, DEVELOPER, THEY NEED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS IS REACHING OUT.
AND IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY TO MISREPRESENT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FACE VALUE.
IT'S, IT'S THE OTHER, THE PRIOR OWNER, I MEAN, A DEVELOPER SAID THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE FOR SALE MM-HMM
AND SO, AND THEN WE, WE FIND OUT LATER THAT IT'S NOT, WELL, THAT IS HUGE.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY THAT.
AND IF IT TAKES TWO MORE WEEKS, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, TABLING IT TWO MORE WEEKS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE, I'M ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE.
THE, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE, IT HAVE TO BE A MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, UH, OPINION ON THAT.
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT WAS, UH, I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, UH, AND YOU COULDN'T BE HERE LAST TIME, BUT WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPORTANT.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR HOW MANY YEARS? 25 YEARS.
SO YOU HAVE A RIGHT, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO TABLE THIS IF NEED BE, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU AND THE REST OF THE FOLKS IN THAT AREA ARE COMFORTABLE.
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WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND I HAVE THE SAME FEELINGS THAT YOU DO ON THAT.ANY MORE QUESTIONS, JOHN? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN, MA'AM? MARY GARZA.
THANKS FOR COMING AND SPEAKING.
AND I, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MADDEN.
UH, TECHNICALLY IT IS JUST ABOUT THE SITE PLAN, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS RUBBED AGAINST.
WE'RE RUBBED THAT THERE, IT, IT APPEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND I DON'T EVEN WANNA SAY MISREPRESENTED, MAYBE IT WAS MISTAKE OR IT WAS JUST VERBAL, BUT IT WASN'T PUTTING IN WRITING.
BUT FOR THEM TO GO TO GET THAT TOWNHOME ZONING, THE COUNCIL WAS TOLD WHEN THEY WERE VOTED ON MM-HMM
THAT IT WAS GONNA BE FOR SALE BEFORE THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT IT.
THEY STEP INTO THE REPRESENTATION THAT THE SELLER MADE.
THERE ARE NO, AND THE SELLER NEEDS TO LOWER AS PRICE AND THE SELLER SHOULD LOWER IS PRICE.
BUT I HAVE A, I I, I DON'T LIKE THIS END AROUND PROCESS.
AND IF I AGREE WITH, UH, COCA AND, UM, PEREZ, THAT IF, THAT, IF, IF IT HAD BEEN REPRESENTED, IF THE, THE SELLER HAD GONE BACK AND SAID, I WANT TO PUT THIS AS TOWN HOMES AND IT'S GONNA BE FOR RENT, THIS PLACE WOULD BE PACKED AGAIN.
IT SUBSTANTIVELY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS IS ONLY ABOUT A, A SITE PLAN AND ELEVATION.
BUT THE ISSUE IS THESE, DID THESE PEOPLE GET THE TOWN HOME ZONING IN A WAY THAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA WORK OUT? YEP.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DECIDE, BUT WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON TONIGHT? WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US TO VOTE? MM-HMM
IT'S JUST THE ELEVATION THAT'S THAT BRING NEEDS TO, UH, COME UP FOR A VOTE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, FOR THE ELEVATIONS TO BE CHANGED.
THAT, THAT'S ALL WE CAN BUTT ON.
CAN WE GET A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT, PLEASE? OH YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT JUST, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU OR RASHAD THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THE ITEM THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS WHAT IS POSTED HERE, THE NEWLY PROPOSED ELEVATIONS YOU ARE VOTING WHETHER YOU WILL APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THOSE.
THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU WANNA HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS WITH ME, THEN WE'D NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT THAT IS THE ITEM THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
IT IS NOT THE ZONING OR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
UH, IT'S ONLY THE SITE PLAN WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING ELEVATION.
WE CAN'T, UH, WE CAN'T TABLE IT AGAIN THOUGH, CAN WE, OR CAN WE, CAN YOU DO THAT TWO TIMES IN A ROW? I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD THAT, THAT, THAT, BUT TO THAT POINT, TO HER POINT, YOU'RE TABLING.
WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION TO CHANGE WHAT ON THE SITE PLAN REQUEST.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT THAT FINISH.
SO, SO I'LL NOTE THIS COMMISSION, LET IT FINISH.
TO TIFFANY'S POINT, YOU CAN VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT AND ANY DECISION THAT YOU MAKE IS GOING TO BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL.
SO THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY EITHER WAY.
UM, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL TIME THAT THEY ASK FOR TO, TO BE TABLED, SO BE IT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE TABLED IT BEFORE.
SO, UH, I'LL LEAVE Y'ALL UP TO THE DEBATE THAT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO TABLE IT, IF YOU THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A RESULT FROM THAT TABLING.
UH, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MS. GARON? NO, NOT FOR MS. GARON.
I THINK COMMISSIONER PEREZ, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
SO THESE FOLKS WHO ARE NOT THE BUYER, THAT THEY'RE NOT THE OWNERS RIGHT NOW ARE PROPOSING THIS NEW FACADE, RIGHT.
WHAT IF WE APPROVE THIS AND THEN THEY DON'T BUY IT? AND IT GOES BACK TO THE OTHER
WHAT IF THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND AGAIN, LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT IT YET.
YOU ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER WHAT THE USE WILL BE.
YOU ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER WHAT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH A PARTICULAR PERSON.
YOU ARE SIMPLY BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS ELEVATION OR NOT.
IF YOU DENY THIS ELEVATION, THEN THEY CAN JUST BUILD WHAT IS RIGHT UP ABOVE IT.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS ELEVATION, IF YOU THINK THIS ELEVATION IS BETTER AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, AND YOU APPROVE IT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO BUILD.
AND I'M HOPING THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
BUT A FUTURE BUYER, IF YOU APPROVE THIS NEW ELEVATION, THEN A FUTURE BUYER IS GOING TO BE BOUND BY THE NEW ELEVATION.
AND IF THEY WANT A DIFFERENT ELEVATION MM-HMM
THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OKAY.
IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THAT NEW ELEVATION.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, UNUSUAL, BUT THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR IS MY DISTRICT.
AND JUST FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS, I WOULD,
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UH, APPROVE THE, UH, THE CHANGE IN THE, UH, FACADE.BUT I, I DON'T, I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SO FAR, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND, AND THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THE MONEY ON IT.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS ON THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT ARE WE IN THE QUESTION PART OF THIS THING? NO, WE, WE HAVEN'T.
WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING BEFORE WE GET READY TO VOTE.
THIS WAS JUST PRE, WE, WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL SPEAKER, BY THE WAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD ANOTHER SPEAKER.
SO, UH, LINDA, AND I'M GONNA BUTCHER THIS.
WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, I'M AT 2 9 0 6 SPINNER LANE, WHICH ON THAT PREVIOUS MAP, MINE WAS THE ADDRESS THAT WAS ACTUALLY CIRCLED.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF MY DOCUMENTS AT SOME POINT.
UM, I SPOKE BEFORE YOU GUYS LAST YEAR, UM, AND I WAS A CHANGED PERSON LAST YEAR BECAUSE I WAS IN OPPOSITION UNTIL I SAW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH.
AND AS MS. COCA SAYS, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE OWNED PROPERTY, I GOT BEHIND IT.
AND LIKE MARY, I HAVE BEEN THERE 36 YEARS.
I HAVE LOVED HAVING A FIELD BEHIND MY HOUSE WHERE MY KIDS COULD PLAY.
I WAS THE ONE THAT WANTED IT TO TURN INTO A PARK, BUT YOU GUYS WEREN'T FOR THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE COME TO IS THAT THIS IS GONNA BE EITHER A NEW ELEVATION OR AN OLD ELEVATION.
AND SO THE ONLY THING THAT MAY STOP THEM FROM PURCHASING IT IS IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THE NEW ELEVATION, THEY MAY DECIDE, IF WE CAN'T GET OUR NEW ELEVATION, THEN WE DON'T WANNA PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT GOES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER MM-HMM
SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, TO MARY'S POINT, YES, WE DID NOT GET ANY NOTIFICATION FROM ANYONE ABOUT THIS GOING ON.
I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THE SIGNS THAT WERE IN THE FIELD.
I, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW MS. JOHNSON WAS, IT SAID THAT SHE PUT THEM IN, UM, SHE PUT 'EM IN WITH A SINGLE STAKE AND THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY WERE IN, THEY DIDN'T STAY VERY LONG BECAUSE TEXAS WIND, THEY WERE BLOWN OVER.
NOBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAW THEM.
THERE WAS ONE ON BARDON AND THERE WAS ONE ON MAGNA CARTA, BUT THEY WERE BOTH FACE DOWN.
SO, UM, NOTIFICATION TO THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T GET OUT.
NOT THAT THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF ALL THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THE ELEVATION.
IT IS THE RENTAL VERSUS THE OWNER'S ISSUE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE DECIDING, RIGHT.
THAT'S UP TO THE GOODNESS OF THE HEART OF MR. CARPENTER AND HIS GROUP AND WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS BEING RENTAL PROPERTY OR NOT.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE HERE AND WE HEAR FROM YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
BUT I THINK THAT AT TODAY, ALL WE'RE DOING IS THE, IS THE FACADE.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE WANNA RUN THE, UH, UH, THE NEW DEVELOPER AWAY
BUT I I THINK THAT WE, THERE'S STILL TIME BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LAY PEOPLE.
WE'RE JUST HERE GIVING A RECOMMENDATION AS CITIZENS, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON EVERYTHING.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
AND YOU SEE THIS, AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH MORE APARTMENTS WITHIN A MOVIE THEATER OVER ON THE OTHER CORNER.
SO WE'VE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH APARTMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
RASHAD, WHY WOULD SHE BE PUTTING THE SIGN IN INSTEAD OF A CITY EMPLOYEE? THAT IS OUR PROCESS.
UM, IF YOU CONSIDER A NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE AND HAVE STAFF PUTTING IN ALL THOSE SIGNS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO THE CASE REPORT ITSELF.
AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT SIGN IS INSTALLED.
WE DO, WHEN WE DO OUR CASE REPORT, GO THROUGH, AND YOU'LL SEE SOMETIMES WE TAKE PICTURES OF THOSE SIGNS.
SO IN THIS CASE THOUGH, OF COURSE, WE'VE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT WIND MM-HMM
UM, IN THAT CASE, WHEN WE FIND OUT THAT THE SIGN IS FALLEN, WE DO ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK OUT AND PUT THE SIGN UP.
UM, WE MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO US THAT IT'S BEEN, WAS BLOWN DOWN.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME IT PASSED.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE? UM, WELL, MADAM CHAIR, YES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON, UH, ITEM FIVE TONIGHT, STP 23 0 2 0 0 0 6 SITE PLAN THAT WE, UH, DENY THE ELEVATION, UH, REQUEST.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY THE ELEVATION REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN
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A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COCA.ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, TO DENY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED? I MEAN, OPPOSED, UH, THREE OPPOSED.
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PLEASE.SO THE NEXT UM, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ACTUALLY THE, UH, ACCOMPANYING ITEM, ITEM NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN.
IT IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CPA 2 3 0 4 0 0 0 6.
AND, UM, ZONE CHANGE FOR ZON 2 3 0 3 0 0 1 2.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT IS, UH, REQUIRED BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS GONNA, THIS AREA IS THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, PROPOSING TO AMEND THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP DISCRIMINATION TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO ALIGN WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING.
AND IT DOES REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THE, UM, RED OUTLINE KIND OF SHOWS THE AREA THAT IS INCLUDED IN THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND IS ALREADY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INCLUDING THE SMALL PORTION OF THE LAND TO THE NORTH THAT, UH, ACTUALLY GOT US ZONED CHANGE OR PURPLE LAST YEAR.
UM, THEY'RE NOW TRYING TO, UM, CHANGE THE, UH, C ZONING, UM, ON THE NORTH AND PD 3 81 IN THE MIDDLE N SF ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO STEP IS UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SYSTEM CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESTINATION.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT WANTS TO NOTE THAT THE REQUEST, THE ZONING MATCHES THE PREDOMINANT IN ZONING OF THE AREA, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESTINATION IS NOT THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS THE RECOMMENDED LAND USE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PER CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE ACTUAL ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
SO THESE ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS INCLUDES THESE, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN RED.
UH, ON THE TOP IS THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, AND THE MIDDLE IS THE PD 3 81.
AND BELOW THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY ONE ZONING.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING A, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT OVER 101 ACRES, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE FOR THESE SEVEN ACRES THAT ARE SHOWN.
SO, AS I HAVE INDICATED, THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS CURRENTLY ALREADY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
AND EVEN SOME OF THE SMALL PIECES THAT ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, THEY ARE ACTUALLY, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE APRIL OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ZONE CHANGE FOR THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
AT THAT TIME, THEY HAD A SINGLE FAMILY ONE AND COMMERCIAL ZONING.
THEY MET REQUESTED ZONE CHANGED TO, CHANGED IT TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WAS APPROVED.
AND AT THAT TIME, YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE THE AREA MARKED WITH RED, THAT AREA WAS CARVED OUT BECAUSE THAT AREA WAS NOT PART OF THAT PROPOSAL.
SO SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT AND HAS, UM, BEEN ABLE TO WORK OUT A DEAL THAT WHERE THEY HAVE A POTENTIAL TO PURCHASE THESE PROPERTIES AND IS AS REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PROPOSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER LAYOUT FOR THEIR ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS THE NEW CONCEPT PLAN.
AS I HAD POINTED OUT, THEY, UM, NOW HAVE MORE EVENLY LAID OUT BUILDINGS, THEY FLOW BETTER.
UM, THEY'LL UPDATE THE TIA AS NEEDED FOR THE INCREASED AREA.
BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY, ACTUALLY, BUT I THINK, UM, THEY JUST HAVE MUCH BETTER, EASIER, UM, FLOW AND LAYOUT THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THIS CONCEPT ELEVATION IS ACTUALLY REPEATED FROM THE PREVIOUS CASES.
SO I NEED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION JUST SO THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE LAST PROPOSAL.
UM, THE ELEVATION SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN PLAN OF COURSE, WILL HAVE TO COME AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL ONCE THE ZONE CHANGE IS UH, APPROVED.
SO THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT.
UM, AS AGAIN, STAFF IS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE CASE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED ZONING DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LINE USE MAP.
HOWEVER, THE REQUESTED ZONING MATCHES THE PREDOMINANT ZONING OF THE AREA AND THE PROPOSAL WILL AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR FIVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES.
AND THE ADDITIONAL LAND ACQUIRED WILL ALLOW FOR MORE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND MUCH BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW.
UH, SO AGAIN, STEP IS ONLY ABLE TO SUPPORT THE ZONING BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSED USE, UH, AND THE MISALIGNMENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
BUT WE JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THE REQUESTING ZONING MATCHES PREDOMINANT ZONING
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OF THE AREA.I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FEDCO? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
COULD YOU KEEP GOING BACK IN YOUR MAPS RIGHT THERE? YES.
IS PD 1 62, WAS THAT THE LADY THAT WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT? UH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, UH, REQUEST.
THAT IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST.
WAS THAT THE LADY IT WAS TALKING ABOUT WATER FLOW ONE TIME? YES.
I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT MY BEARINGS ABOUT WHERE I WAS IN THE, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JUNE? UH, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, THE, IT'S A NICE PROJECT.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S CONNECTING ROCK ISLAND WITH, WITH SHADY GROVE, BUT THOSE TWO, UH, ROADS RIGHT THERE NEED SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THEM.
I THINK BRETT CAN MAYBE FILL US IN ON THE ACTIVITIES OUT THERE.
SO YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY'S WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WIDENING OF SHADY GROVE.
SO THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY, WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THE CONTRACT ON THE DESIGN PORTION OF THAT.
SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SHADY GROVE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT, UH, ROCK ISLAND, UH, AT THIS TIME.
UM, SHADY GROVE, WE'VE GOT WAREHOUSING ON THE EAST SIDE AT BELTLINE, AND WE HAVE SOME AT THE WEST SIDE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S OUR PRIORITY AT THE MOMENT.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE BRIDGE ISSUES ON SHADY GROVE THAT YOU DO ON ROCK ISLAND, EITHER THAT, RIGHT? ONE OF THE ROCK ISLAND BRIDGES IS GETTING REPLACED.
I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY A COUNTY PROJECT, SO I'D HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU ON THE DETAILS WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE BRIDGES ON SHADY GROVE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL, THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY HONING IN ON THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY WE CAN USE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN FLOOD WAY.
AND, UH, IT'S A PERFECT AREA FOR INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING ON THE EAST OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, INDUSTRIAL ALSO.
BUT, UH, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JUNE? I THINK THAT'S IT.
DAVID IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT OTHERWISE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE OUR EXPERT? NO.
I THINK THIS ONE IS PRETTY CUT AND DRY ON THAT ONE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? JOHN, WOULD WE, CAN WE GET A MOTION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS TO BOTH REQUESTS OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M SORRY, DO WE NEED TO DO THE SIX AND SEVEN? OH, I'M SORRY.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN, THAT, UH, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT WITHSTANDING STAFF'S APPROVAL OR STAFF DISAPPROVAL, EXCUSE ME.
WE APPROVE, UH, BOTH REQUESTS BY THE APPLICANT.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO, UH, APPROVE ITEMS. UM, SIX AND SEVEN, UM, I CAN'T EVEN THINK.
SIX AND SEVEN WITH A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER DUCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
[8. SUP-23-03-0010 - Specific Use Permit - Veterinary Emergency Group (City Council District 2). Specific Use Permit for a Veterinarian with Outdoor Kennel. Lot 11, Block A, Epic East Towne Crossing Phase 2, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned PD-364, within the SH 161 Corridor Overlay District, and addressed as 3142 S HWY 161]
PLEASE.THIS NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED ON THE SCREEN.
THIS IS PART OF THE EPIC EAST TOWN CROSSING.
UH, THE BUILDING SOUTH OF THIS IS KOHL'S.
TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE, UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR AN SEP FOR VETERINARIAN WITH OUTDOOR KENNEL.
THIS IS, UH, LOCATED AT 31 42 SOUTH HIGHWAY 1 61, AND IT'S ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 360 4.
UH, THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS, UM, LOCATION WAS APPROVED IN 2021.
UH, THIS IS THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA, UH, THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOU IS, UH, INTENDING TO OCCUPY A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF THIS BUILDING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE 1 61 INTO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IN ADDITION TO SOME LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
UH, THE SCREEN, THE PHOTO ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE CONSTRUCTED BUILDING AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A 24 HOUR VETERINARY CLINIC.
UH, THE USE WILL BE STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY AND THEY'LL HAVE, UH, IN BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT STAFF MEMBERS ON SITE AT A SINGLE TIME.
UH, THEIR OPERATIONAL PLAN WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AND INDICATED THAT ANY ANIMAL WASTE THAT OCCURS WITHIN THE HOSPITAL OR OUTDOOR AREAS WILL BE COLLECTED BY STAFF AND DEPOSITED INTO CLOSED WASTE DISPOSAL CONTAINERS.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST IS THAT OUTDOOR OPERATIONS SHALL BE LIMITED TO PET RELIEF
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AND EXERCISE KENNELS ARE NOT PERMITTED OUTDOORS.THE SECOND IS THAT THE, UH, VETERINARY STAFF SHALL PATROL DECIDE AT LEAST TWICE DAILY AND PICK UP PET WASTE AND DISPOSE OF IT AS STATED IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN.
AND THEN THIRD IS THAT THE STAFF SHALL MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION, UH, THE TIME AND DATE OF THE OUTDOOR PATROL AND CLEANUP OCCURRED, INCLUDING THE NAME OF THE STAFF MEMBER RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS TWO MONTHS.
UM, THAT WILL ALLOW STAFF TO VERIFY IF ANY ISSUES COME UP.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD MONITOR THE, WHETHER THE WASTE WAS PICKED UP? IS THAT LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
SO IF STAFF'S OUT ON SITE OR WE'VE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM A A CITIZEN, WE CAN, WE CAN VISIT THE SITE.
WE CAN ASK TO REVIEW THOSE RECORDS.
AND IF IT'S NOT, UH, THEN WOULD REMIND THEM OF THOSE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS BEFORE, BUT I'VE, I'M NOT SURE IF I REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID ON THE 24 HOUR.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SITES IN GRAND PRAIRIE, UH, VETERINARY SITES THAT ARE 24 HOUR? I, I DUNNO THAT THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE, GIVE US AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS, YOU KNOW, HOW OTHER SITES WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S GONNA BE A MAKE OR BREAK.
WHETHER THEY, THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH EVERYTHING.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE IF THEY'RE COMPLYING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER PETE? I'M SAYING YES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE 24 VETERINARY, UH, THERE'S ONE OFF OF, UM, 360.
UH, OR IS IT YEAH, I BELIEVE 360 NEARBY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR, IT MAY BE UNCOMMON FOR THE KENNEL ASPECT, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR VETERINARY TO HAVE 24 HOUR ACCESS.
UM, NOW THIS IS A PRETTY LARGE ONE IF THEY'RE TAKING UP HALF OF THAT SPACE.
IT WASN'T THE, THE, THE, THE SPACING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PICKUP OF THE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOVE THEIR PETS QUITE, I KNOW, BUT WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT THE, THE SURE DO THE DISPOSAL MAKING SURE THIS IS PROPER.
AND IT, IT, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S ALL WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND STAFF DID CHECK WITH THE, UH, PRAIRIE PAW AND KIND OF THEIR INDUSTRY STANDARD IS ONCE A DAY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S TWICE A DAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY TRAFFICKED, HIGHLY VISIBLE LOCATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? I THINK THAT'S IT.
SO I HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS THAT I THINK MAY BOTH BE WITH THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S JOSE GONZALEZ, WHO ONLY, WHO'S IN SUPPORT, BUT ONLY IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
AND JENNIFER HANLON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
SO WHOEVER'S SPEAKING IN SUPPORT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD PLEASE? WE DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SAY YOUR STATE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
HI, JENNIFER HANLIN, THREE PINE TREE DRIVE, KATONAH, NEW YORK, 1 0 5 3 6.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP.
OBVIOUSLY HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND REALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
HOW MANY LOCATIONS DO Y'ALL HAVE IN, UH, THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA? WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE IN FORT WORTH.
WE HAVE ONE IN ALLEN, AND WE HAVE ONE IN DALLAS.
SO THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH LOCATION, UM, AFTER THE ONE WE OPEN UP IN FLOWER MOUND AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW COMING IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
AND DO YOU OPERATE IN THE, I WOULD CALL THE STRIP TOP CENTERS AND STUFF ON YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS? WE DO.
SO WE HAVE 43 LOCATIONS NATIONWIDE, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A RETAIL BASED LOCATION.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER MADDEN? SO, UM, THE STAFF HAD MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, THERE HAD BEEN A FENCED IN AREA ON A, A MEDIAN OR SOMETHING FOR PET RELIEF.
SO IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WAS REMOVED AND WHAT'S THE PLAN? UM, YES.
'CAUSE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THERE'S NOT SOMEONE MONITORING IT, OTHER THAN YOU GUYS, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DID REMOVE IT BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
IT WAS GONNA REQUIRE EXTENSIVE CHANGES TO THAT PLAN.
OF OUR 43 LOCATIONS, A MAJORITY OF THEM DO NOT HAVE A FENCED IN PET RELIEF AREA.
UM, PROBABLY 95% OF OUR PATIENTS DON'T ACTUALLY GO OUTSIDE, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY ARE SICKER, THEY'RE INJURED.
SO ALL OF THE OPERATIONS OF THEM ARE BEING TAKEN CARE IN THE FACILITY.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE PLAN WOULD BE IF
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PETS DO NEED TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES, IF THEY ARE HEALTHY ENOUGH TO GO OUTSIDE, THEY ARE DOUBLE LEASHED, THEY'RE TAKEN QUICKLY OUTSIDE AND BROUGHT RIGHT BACK, BACK IN.AND THEN OUR STAFF PATROLS, UM, THE AREA TO PICK UP ANY WASTE.
AND ALSO, UM, DO YOU OFFER KENNELING OR NO, WE DO NOT.
SO WE ARE A 24 HOUR EMERGENCY ONLY HOSPITAL.
SO, UH, YOUR PET ONLY STAYS WITH US IF THEY ARE BEING TREATED, UM, FOR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM, I'M SORRY.
SO IF THEIR AN ANIMAL, IF THE ANIMAL HAS TO STAY OVERNIGHT, WHERE DO Y'ALL TAKE IT? TO USE THE RESTROOM OR JUST GO IN THE KENNEL OR, UM, SO LIKELY OVERNIGHT THEY ARE, UH, JUST USING THE BATHROOM INDOORS BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK ENOUGH TO BE HOSPITALIZED.
AND AT THAT POINT, UH, WE ARE NOT TAKING THEM OUTSIDE.
UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I THINK THAT'S IT.
ANY MORE? DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS, UM, DISTRICT TWO.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? CAN WE GET A MOTION? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SUP DASH 23 DASH THREE DASH 0 0 1 0, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP.
AND I, UM, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER MADDEN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
[9. SUP-23-04-0012 - Specific Use Permit - Outside Storage for Freight Crafters (City Council District 1). Specific Use Permit for Outside Storage within 300 ft. of a single family zoning district. Lot 1R, Block 6, GSW Parkway and Avenue K Addition, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned LI, and addressed as 2001 Avenue K East]
NEXT ITEM.ALRIGHT, THIS NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR FREIGHT CRAFTERS.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE SCREEN WITH THE LOCATION OUTLINED IN RED.
THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, AND IT'S BEING TRIGGERED BY ITS PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE ADDRESS IS AT 2001 AVENUE K EAST.
THE ZONING IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND ON JANUARY 5TH, 2021, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A SITE PLAN FOR ALMOST A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
AT THAT TIME, THE TENANTS WERE NOT KNOWN, SO IT WAS A SPECULATIVE WAREHOUSE.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS DRIVEN BY A PROSPECTIVE TENANT.
SO I WILL NOTE THAT THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE PROPOSED OPERATIONS, UH, THE APPLICANT MANUFACTURES LARGE INDUSTRIAL CRATES.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR SOME OF THE RAW MATERIALS AND TEMPORARY STAGING OF THE COMPLETED CRATES PRIOR TO DELIVERY TO THE CUSTOMERS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN IS ON THE SCREEN.
THE AREAS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE AREAS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE FOR THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREAS WILL BE SCREENED BY A WING WALL, WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING AND PROJECTING OUT, AND THEN A MASONRY SCREENING WALL.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE OUTSIDE STORAGE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE AREAS INDICATED ON THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE MATERIALS AND THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREAS SHALL NOT BE STACKED HIGHER THAN THE SCREENING WALLS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? IS THIS THE ONE THAT HAD THE, THIS DIDN'T HAVE THE LETTERS OF, UH, SUPPORTED OPPOSITION? YES.
WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS IN SUPPORT, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION AFTER THE PAP HAD BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND PUBLISHED.
HAVE YOU COMMUNICATED ANYTHING WITH THOSE FOLKS? WHEN, WHEN YOU GET THOSE LETTERS IN, DO YOU JUST TAKE THE MA DO YOU, DO YOU CALL THEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION? IT, IT IS AN ONLINE FORM.
SO THEY'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR NAME, UH, THEIR PROPERTY ADDRESS, AND ANY COMMENTS.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WAY FOR STAFF TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? I THINK THAT'S IT.
UH, THE APPLICANT, MARK MATTHEWS.
HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WONDERFUL.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UH, MARK MATTHEWS 89 0 4, UM, NORTH ROYAL LANE IN IRVING, 7 5 0 6 3.
THANK YOU MADAM COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, AS A FORMER MAYOR IN KELLER, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS, UH, UM, ARE TASKED WITH DOING.
AND, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND STAFF.
IT'S A LONG NIGHT FOR YOU GUYS TOO.
SO, UM, UM, I'VE GOT MY WIFE, UM, WHO WORKS IN THE BUSINESS WITH ME AND SOME OF OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES HERE TONIGHT.
UH, I WANNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF BACKGROUND ABOUT OUR COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 20, WE'RE ON OUR 23RD YEAR.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOCATION IN GRAND PRAIRIE TODAY, AND WE'VE
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BEEN HERE SINCE 2005.UH, WE'VE EXPANDED QUITE A BIT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A IRVING LOCATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S LARGER AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL, UH, BACK UNDER ONE ROOF TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE, AS SAVANNAH STATED, WE'RE WE'RE PRO UM, PROPOSED, UH, TENANT OF THE BUILDING.
RIGHT? WE HAVE NOT SIGNED A LEASE AT THIS TIME.
UM, OUR APPLICATION IS, IS, UM, AS A MANUFACTURER, UM, AND A SMALL BUSINESS.
UM, THE, THE CRATES THAT WE USE ARE KIND OF BIG AND BULKY.
UM, WE, UM, SO WHAT WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS REACHED OUT TO THE HOA TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TRIGGERS THAT CAUSES THE SUP REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? SO WE MET WITH A FAIR OAKS, UM, HOA, ABOUT HALF OF THEIR, UM, RESIDENTS ATTENDED.
UM, WE EXPLAIN OUR OPERATIONS, UM, AND WHAT WE DO.
UM, THEIR BOARD EMAILED, UH, SENT AN EMAIL OF SUPPORT, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE AS WELL.
SO WE LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS, UM, EXPLAIN TO THEM OUR, UM, OPERATIONS.
UM, WE ARE NORMALLY A 7:00 AM TO 5:00 AM TYPE OF MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY COMPANY.
UM, IN TERMS OF OUR MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS, UM, ONE OF THE, I GUESS THE BENEFITS TO THEM AS WE EXPLAINED OUR, OUR OPERATIONS IS THE TYPE OF DELIVERY VEHICLES THAT WE USE.
OUR SMALLER BOBTAILS, WE HAVE THREE, AND THEN OUR CRATES ARE ACTUALLY DELIVERED WITH A PICKUP TRUCK AND A TRAILER.
SO IT'S NOT A BIG BUMPY, LOUD, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF NOISY OPERATION.
UM, SOME OF THE CRATES THAT WE MANUFACTURE THOUGH ARE 20 FEET LONG, UM, 10 FEET TALL.
UH, WE'VE MANUFACTURED THINGS FOR THE DREAM CHASER SPACECRAFT.
UH, WE DO A LOT OF, A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS, I WANNA SAY A LOT.
UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE A HALF A DOZEN CUSTOMERS, UH, THAT ARE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
SO AIRBUS SAFFRON, UH, BELL HELICOPTER, UH, LOCKHEED MARTIN, THE LIKES OF THEM.
SO WE SPECIALIZE IN THOSE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS TO BUSINESS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IN AND OUT, UM, ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE ABOUT 30 TO 35 EMPLOYEES THAT WE, UM, THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY THE, THE, WE WOULD HAVE HALF OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE SOUTHERN HALF IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
UM, WE'RE, IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, SITE PLAN AND PARKED FOR 60.
I THINK OUR HALF WOULD BE LIKE 61 PARKING SPACES.
SO THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE AROUND THAT.
UM, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT.
SO, UM, WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO DO BUSINESS IN GRAND PRIX.
WE, WE'VE LOVED IT SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2005.
I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION, AND I'LL CHECK WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
YOU SAID YOUR HOURS ARE 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? WHAT ABOUT WEEKEND? DO YOU HAVE ANY WEEKEND WORK AT ALL? SO THAT'S OUR NORMAL OPERATION.
UM, WE DO SOMETIMES WORK OVERTIME ON SATURDAYS.
WE, UM, IT'S OUR RULE NOT TO WORK ON SUNDAYS.
UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE EXTENDED HOURS IF WE HAVE A BIG JOB THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO SOMETIMES WE COME IN EARLY, SOMETIMES WE COME IN LATE.
MOSTLY THAT'S MYSELF AND MY WIFE.
SO WE'RE NOT OUT DRIVING FORKLIFTS AND TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE,
BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF OUR, OUR, OUR NORMAL OPERATIONS.
WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING, I THINK ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE NOISE, MAYBE THE BEEPING OR, OR WHATEVER WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING TRUCKS AND WHATEVER.
SO I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE.
SO LET ME, LET ME, IF I CAN COMMENT, UM, I THINK THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN AS IT WAS DESIGNED IS A VERY SMARTLY APPROVED ONE.
SO CERTAINLY HATS OFF TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE COUNCILS AND THE DEVELOPERS THAT DID THAT.
ALL OF OUR DOORS THAT OPEN FACE TO THE WEST, TO THE TRUCK REPAIR SHOP.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT FACES NORTH, UM, OR EAST OR SOUTH.
SO WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE, MY WIFE'S TESTED THE NOISE.
UM, AS FAR AS THAT GO, I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE.
UM, THERE'S A 35 FOOT SCREENING WALL ON ONE SIDE AND, UM, ABOUT A 10 FOOT ELEVATION ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE TO BE.
SO THEY WERE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE THE TWO PECAN TREES.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT A EIGHT TO 10 FOOT DROP OFF BEHIND THOSE FOR THE PARKING.
AND SO INSTEAD OF US BACKING UP TRAILERS WHERE THAT'S DESIGNATED, WE WOULD JUST HAVE SOME OF OUR WOODEN CRATES STORED THERE PRIOR TO THEY BEING LOADED ON TRUCK FOR DELIVERY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER FEDCO.
HEY, MR. MATTHEWS, THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.
UM, VERY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE IN THE, IN THE CITY.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HOW TALL ARE THOSE WALLS GONNA BE? SO, UM, I
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KNOW THE, THE, THE ONE IS ALREADY BUILT.IN FACT, IF IT'S HELPFUL AT ALL, UM, UH, I'VE GOT SOME COPIES THAT WE WORKED WITH HOA.
CAN WE HAND THESE OUT TO COMMISSIONERS? UM, I'LL JUST TWO PAGES WHERE THERE'S SOME RED CIRCLE.
WHAT PAGE ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN COMMISSIONER TO, TO, TO YOUR POINT IN PARTICULAR? I THINK IT'S THE VERY LAST PAGE.
UM, THAT, UM, AS A PHOTOGRAPH YES.
OF ME STANDING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BEFORE THEY POURED THE CONCRETE.
SO THAT ONE WALL IS, UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET TALL.
UM, I MEAN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY UP AGAINST, UM, THE BUILDING.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WHERE I'M STANDING WITH MY HAND UP IN THE AIR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRUCK BEHIND ME IN THE BACKGROUND.
THAT'S THE INDUSTRIAL SITE OFF TO THE, THE WEST.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET.
UM, I, WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT THE BUILDER DEVELOPER, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICATIONS ON WHAT THOSE WALLS ARE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO NO, THAT'S FAIR.
ANSWER THE QUESTION THE BEST I CAN.
SO, UM, FOR THE SUPI, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR REACHING OUT TO SURE.
FAIR OAKS, UH, HOA THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
AND IT WAS NICE THAT THEY APPROVED THAT.
UM, WOULD, AS PART OF THE SUP, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF IT WAS LIKE A MONDAY TO SATURDAY, SEVEN TO FIVE KIND OF HOUR RESTRICTION FOR WORKING OUTSIDE? I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY RESTRICTIONS ON OPERATING HOURS WOULD, WOULD, UM, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE OUR BUSINESS IN CERTAIN BUSY SEASONS THE WAY WE'D NEED TO, TO HAVE A RESTRICTION TO, TO THAT SPECIFIC TO SEVEN TO FIVE.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IF WE GO PAST FIVE O'CLOCK MM-HMM
UM, WE'RE NOT OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE TRAILERS AND TRUCKS COMING IN.
IT'S STRICTLY AN INSIDE OPERATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, WE, WE DO DIFFERENT TYPES.
IT'S NOT JUST ALWAYS, UM, CRAD, UM, WE'VE INVESTED INTO TO GROW OUR BUSINESS INTO SOME OF THE FOAM FABRICATION BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WILL BE AUTOMATED MACHINERY THAT WON'T MAKE ANY NOISE THAT'S HEARD OUTSIDE.
UM, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR BUSINESS, WE HAVE SOME OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS, UM, THAT, UM, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO RESTRICT US TO 5:00 PM THAT MIGHT BE HARMFUL FOR OUR FUTURE BUSINESS.
I'M SORRY, I MEANT SOLELY OUTSIDE THOUGH, LIKE RECEIVING DELIVERIES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE ALREADY, WE DON'T RECEIVE PAST FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY.
SO, UM, I MEAN, ANYTHING WE DO LIKE THAT WOULD, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD STILL BE PERMISSIBLE, WOULD BE LIKE AN EMERGENCY.
LIKE IF WE SEND SOMEBODY OUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE, WE SEND SOME THINGS TO A CUSTOMER AND IF IT HAPPENS TO BE A LIGHTNING STRIKE, DEPENDING UPON HOW LONG THE STORM'S GONNA LAST, HE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO IF HE COMES BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WE MAY HAVE TO GO UNLOAD HIM.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER PART OF OUR OPERATIONS FOR SURE, BUT WE'D JUST BE AN ACTIVITY MM-HMM
SO I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO BEST, YOU KNOW, UM, HELP OFFER THAT.
BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY, UM, ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO RESTRICT THE HEIGHT FROM A, YOU KNOW, VIEW CORRIDOR.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, WE, WE WON'T STACK ANY CRATES.
SO OUR MORE, OUR CRATES ARE 14 FEET TALL AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR THE SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, DEFENSE INDUSTRY.
SO WHEN THEY'RE THAT BIG, THEY USUALLY ARE ONLY OUT THERE FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS AND THEN ON THEIR TRUCK AND GONE.
EXCUSE ME, RASHARD, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
WELL, I, I THINK IF SOME OF THE CONCERN IS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ACTIVITY, I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THIS IS ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING NOISE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE CITY CODE WHICH HAS NOISE RESTRICTIONS, WHICH I'M READING FROM IT NOW.
UH, FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM IT HAS A MAX DECIBEL LEVEL, WHICH IS SIX FIVE DECIBELS, AND THEN FROM 10:00 PM TO 6:00 AM THE MAX DECIBEL IS 58.
SO NO NOISE MAY EXCEED 20 DECIBELS OVER THESE LIMITS AT ANY TIME IN A MEASURE PERIOD.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT OURSELVES.
I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST KEY HERE IS COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY FORCED THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE SHIFTED TO WHERE ALL THE DOCKS ARE FACING, THE MORE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
SO THAT'S GONNA HELP QUITE A BIT HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS.
COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE, UH,
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DOING THAT SITE PLAN TO SPECIFICALLY PUT THE DOCK DOORS TO THE WEST, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, I DIDN'T GRASP IT WHEN THEY WERE, UH, PRESENTING IT WAS, YOU'RE ONLY USING ABOUT HALF THE BUILDING.BECAUSE I COULD, I COULD SEE THE STORAGE OF THEM FURTHER UP, BUT IF YOU DON'T RENT THAT PART FURTHER UP, YOU CAN'T STAND THAT.
AND, UH, I'M, I'M THINKING THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE USING, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT DIESEL EQUIPMENT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, REFRIGERATED TRADERS COMING IN THAT WANT TO ILE ALL NIGHT STUFF.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE AT NIGHT FOR ME IS, IS THE THERMO KINGS RUNNING.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM UNLESS WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SOUTH TO, IF YOU GO AGAINST, IF YOU GO THAT NEXT TO LAST PAGE, EXCUSE ME, ON THAT PRESENTATION, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE, THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN F FOUR 50 OR FIVE 50, BUT THAT'S THE PICKUP TRUCK.
SO THAT'S GONNA GO ABOUT THREE TIMES A DAY IS OUR, THAT'S A BUSY DAY FOR US IF HE GOES THREE TIMES A DAY WITH THOSE, UH, MATERIALS ON IT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THIS WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
UM, AND BEFORE WE, UH, MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, I, I THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD, UH, UH, CASE HERE, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT.
I, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MORE CARDS? WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS.
SO WE HAVE CAROLYN DIXON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? WELL, IT'S NOT CAROLYN DIXON.
UM, MY NAME IS RAYMOND SEILER.
I LIVE IN AT, UH, FALLBROOK 2 2 2 5.
DID YOU, DID YOU FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, SIR? SHE HAS, HE'S, THE OTHER SPEAKER CARD JUST CHANGED THE ORDER.
UM, SO CAROLYN, UH, DIXON AND I ARE NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE FALLBROOK NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM DISTRICT ONE.
THE ISSUE THOUGH IS, IS THAT THIS KIND OF HIT US KIND OF OUT OF THE BLUE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY THE HOA ON THE EAST SIDE OVER THERE, NORTH, JUST NORTH OF THE SCHOOL.
AND SO AS A LONG TERM RESIDENT WHO'S LIVED IN NOTTINGHAM AND THEN NOW FALLBROOK SINCE 87, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING.
I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC, INCREASED TRAFFIC LEVEL, UM, SPECIFICALLY AND, AND I KNOW THE DECISIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF GREAT SOUTHWEST AND PARKWAY FROM AVENUE K UP TO SUNNYVALE, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THE 200,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS, I MEAN, WE RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM, FROM THE ZONING BOARD INDICATING THE THE CHANGE IS GONNA COME.
AND SO WE ARE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE AND TRAFFIC LEVEL OF THE TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THERE.
EVEN ON GRAND ON, UH, DUNCAN PERRY TODAY, WE'VE SEEN MORE TRAFFIC, TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD NOW THAT THEY'VE EXTENDED WHERE THE TURNAROUND IS FOR THE SEMIS ON, UH, AVENUE K.
AND SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL NOISE.
WE WERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETAIL.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE STORAGE WAS GONNA BE, WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE, WHETHER IT WAS GONNA BE ON THE BACKSIDE OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE BEHIND A FENCE OR SOME SORT OF OBSCURED THING TO HELP PREVENT, UM, THE, THE VISUAL, THE AESTHETICS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE ALL BEEN UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE SIDE.
I HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SEEN THE PLANNING FOR THE NOISE EMBANKMENT OF THE WALLS, NOISE WALLS THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE AT SOME POINT IN TIME ALONG THE RAY SOUTHWEST PARKWAY.
BUT YES, WE'RE KIND OF FOR SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BECAUSE I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HOA FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE HAS MET WITH THAT PARTICULAR HOA, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT.
HOWEVER, THE LETTERS OBVIOUSLY STATE THAT IF YOU'RE WITHIN, WHAT, 300 FEET? THREE FEET? YES.
AND SO WE, UH, MS. DIXON AND MYSELF ARE HERE TODAY, BUT WE'RE EXPRESSING OUR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO WE ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE LONG TERM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID, MR. MATTHEWS SAID WAS, IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN LIMITED NUMBER OF HOURS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING AND GOING, BUT STILL THE TRAFFIC AND THE AESTHETICS AND THE PROPERTY VALUE IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY VALUE IS A CONCERN LONG TERM.
WITH THAT, WE, WE HAVE, UH, BRETT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT FOR THE, THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING PLEASE? SO WE DID LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND THE OVERALL CIRCULATION OF THE SITE WHEN THE SITE PLAN CAME THROUGH, UM, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS, UH, THIS
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CHANGE WOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES VERSUS WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.SO THIS IS JUST A MODIFICATION TO THE USE WITH THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
SO WE DON'T SEE ANY, ANY MAJOR CHANGES FROM THAT ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WITH THIS SHOULD B ALRIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT WE DO GENERALLY, THE PLANNING AND AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY SEEK THE ADVICE OF ALL THE EXPERTS IN EVERY SECTION OF EVERY, EVERY PART OF SURE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE HAVE HIM SPEAK MM-HMM
THEY'VE ALREADY CHECKED INTO THAT.
I, I REALLY THINK THAT THIS ONE WAS DONE PRETTY WELL.
I, I THINK IT MAY NOT, IT MAY, IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE FROM WHAT I'M READING AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, AND THIS AND THIS, UH, GENTLEMAN, THEY'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS A LONG TIME.
I WOULDN'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD COME OVER HERE AND NOT DO A GOOD JOB OVER HERE.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND MM-HMM
YOU'RE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE MM-HMM
AND THE OTHER PEOPLE OF THE MEMBER OF YOUR SUPPORT STAFF HAVE DONE THAT.
HOWEVER, FROM A CITIZEN WHO LIVES UP THERE AND WHO HAS SEEN INCREASED TRAFFIC ALONG DUNCAN PERRY OR YEAH.
ALONG DUNCAN PERRY, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HAS INCREASED.
AND NOW, AND, AND AS A LONG TERM, NOT ONLY EMPLOYEE OR, OR CITIZEN, BUT ALSO EMPLOYEE DOWN AT LOCKHEED MARTIN IN CENTRAL GRAND PRAIRIE, I KNOW THE TRAFFIC ALONG GREAT SOUTHWEST PARKWAY IS PRETTY HEAVY AT TIMES.
AND SO WHEN THAT EXTENSION GETS COMPLETED, IT'S GONNA INCREASE.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE, BUT I'M STILL FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE THAT TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE LOVER IS GONNA GO INCREASE.
NOW, NOW THE QUESTION IS WHOEVER COMES LATER AND RENTS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE THE WAREHOUSE, ARE THEY GONNA BE GOING 24 7? I MEAN, I LIKED YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF ARE THEY GONNA BE GOING SUPPORTING IN THE EVENINGS, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 12 OR IS IT OVER MIDNIGHT OVER THE WEEKENDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW ALL THAT STUFF YET.
AND SO I'M JUST HERE TO EXPRESS TO YOU MY CONCERNS ABOUT, I THINK WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER HERE THAT WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
YES, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
WE, WE, UH, WE WERE CONCERNED WHEN THEY BOOKED FALLBROOK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON DUNCAN PERRY
WHY THAT WHOLE AREA, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO FIGHT TO KEEP DUNCAN PERRY, UH, PRISTINE YES.
TO NOT WIDEN IT AT THE BRIDGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, WE DO GET A LOT MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAN THE SIGNS CAN PREVENT.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN'S OPERATION MM-HMM
UH, IT'S NOT LIKE SOME OF THE MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE, ARE ALREADY OUT THERE IN THE TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT DO 24 HOURS RIGHT.
WORTH OF, UH, UH, NOISE, UH, OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW HE HAS, UH, RASHAB WAS QUOTING THE DECIMALS AND STUFF, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE ALSO HAVE ORDINANCES AGAINST NUISANCE NOISES MM-HMM
AND, UH, THAT THAT CAN, CAN HOLD PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
SOME TOO BETTER THAN THE DECIMAL RIGHT.
BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, GREAT SOUTHWEST AND WHERE I LIVE, UH, SOMETHING'S GONNA BE IN THAT BUILDING MM-HMM
AND I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE THIS IN THAT BUILDING THAN SOME OTHER REALLY HEAVY DUTY MANUFACTURER TRUCKING COMPANY RUNNING IN AND OUT OF IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M, I'M LEANING REALLY TO SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS.
BUT YEAH, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL AREA BECAUSE THAT OTHER AREA THAT'S FURTHER FURTHER WEST, YEAH, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT GOES ON AT ON THE WEEKENDS AT NIGHT THAT'S VERY ANNOYING AS WELL.
BUT OF COURSE THAT'S A DONE DEAL, THAT'S ALL.
RASHAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ON JOHN'S GOT SOME COMMISSIONER COLEMAN KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE USE, UM, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT COULD BE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SPECULATIVE BU BUILDING THAT COULD HAVE A DISTRIBUTION TYPE USE THERE.
THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, UH, MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN THIS SPECIFIC USE.
SO THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE REALLY REVIEWING THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE OUTSIDE STORAGE PORTION OF THIS, THIS, UH, BUSINESS.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN PART OF IT IS ALSO IS THAT, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE NORTH SIDE.
'CAUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FROM GREAT SOUTHWEST PARKWAY.
AND SO IT WOULD BE VISIBLE ALONG THAT ROAD DEPENDING ON WHAT STRUCTURE WAS THERE, WHETHER IT'S A FENCE OR A WALL OR SOMETHING ELSE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING.
I KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S WHERE I LIVE TOO, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
HE'S CATTYCORNER TO IT'S FALLBROOK.
AND YOU GOTTA GIVE THE GUY CREDIT, UH, FAIR OAK OR WHATEVER THE HOA WAS TO THE SOUTH.
THEY ACTUALLY WROTE A NICE EMAIL AND SUPPORT.
SO I, I I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT THAT LAND WAS GONNA BE A WAREHOUSE.
AND TO RASHAD'S POINT, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING MUCH WORSE THERE.
BUT I, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THIS TENANT, SO YEAH.
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FOR COMING, SIR.ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? WELL, WELL WE STILL HAVE, I'M SORRY.
WHO, MS. DIXON STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND I AM PART OF THE HOA, UH, BOARD THERE.
I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH WHAT RAY HAS SAID THAT I, I THINK ALL WHAT WE ARE HEARING TONIGHT IS CERTAINLY A SURPRISE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AND IT LOOKS AT US NOW BECAUSE IT'S VERY TALL.
UH, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, OUR VALUE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE STORAGE SITS.
IT'S STILL PART, IT IMPACTS THE VIEW WHEN YOU LOOK OUT IN MY BACKYARD NOW, THAT ALL THE WEEDS ARE, THE, THE TREES ARE COMING DOWN.
AND SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHATEVER COMES UP.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNKNOWN BECAUSE THAT'S FUTURE AND IT'S LONG TERM.
WE, WE HEARD ABOUT, UH, HIS HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
CAN'T THINK OF YOUR NAME, BUT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMETHING BIG COMES IN.
SO I'M SAYING WE HEAR THE NOISE.
I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
WE HEAR WHATEVER COMES THERE AND IT IS VERY ANNOYING.
SO WE CAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DECIMATE YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN ANNOYED OVER SOME OTHER THINGS THAT'VE BEEN HAVING THERE.
SO WE ARE HERE TO VOICE OUR OPINION THAT, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS CONCERNING LONG TERM.
WE LIVE THERE, WE MOVED THERE FOR A REASON.
AND TO SEE THIS COME UP AGAIN, AND WE DON'T HAVE A WALL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIDE WHERE FAIR OAKS, YOU'RE FORGETTING WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS.
THAT'S WHERE WE FACE, NOBODY'S ADDRESSED THE WALL.
WHERE IS OUR WALL? ON OUR SIDE? I THINK THAT, UH, MR. JACKSON, THERE IS A COMPONENT OF THIS.
UM, AND I'LL ASK THAT YOU REACH OUT TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR OR CITY MANAGER, STEVE DYE.
WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. STEVE, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOUR, UH, ENGINEER AS WELL.
AND THERE IS A TIMELINE ON IT.
I BELIEVE THERE, UH, THAT STUDY, THERE'S, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A SIGN SOUND COMPONENT TO THAT WALL.
SO THERE'S A DELAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY GET IT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S GONNA DICTATE HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, BUT IT IS ON MR. DYE'S RADAR, SO I KNOW IT'LL GET DONE.
UH, AND BEFORE THAT ROAD GETS EXTENDED TO THE END OF THIS PROPERTY LINE, I THINK THIS, THAT THE WALL FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THAT OR WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT EXTENSION OF GREAT SOUTHWEST.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REACH OUT TO MR. DI TO GET A UPDATE ON THE STATUS PLAN.
AND SECONDLY, I WANNA ALSO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S DARK SPACES, YOU PEOPLE, IT ATTRACTS CERTAIN PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE IS VERY PITCH DARK.
AND SO I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE LIGHTING OF THAT BUILDING.
WE'VE SEEN THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I'M CONCERNED WHEN THERE'S DARKNESS, IT INVOKES CRIME.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
WHAT ONE QUESTION, MA'AM? YES.
JUST TO SPEAK TO YOUR DARKNESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CITY ORDINANCES THAT ANY LIGHTS GO IN THE BUILDING MM-HMM
THAT THE RADIATION OF THE LIGHTS STRAIGHT, JUST ALMOST STRAIGHT DOWN AND DOESN'T APPEAR OUT TO THE 'CAUSE.
NO, UH, NOISE IS ONE THING, BUT LIGHT INTERFERENCE IS, IS ALMOST AS BAD TO ME AS NOISE.
SO THAT WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT DIRECT THEM TO, TO HAVE SPECIFIC LIGHTING THAT DIRECTS IT STRAIGHT DOWN.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, WELL, IN THE BACK, SIR.
'CAUSE I, I SPOKE WITH YOUR ENG, YOUR LEAD ENGINEER, I CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME, UHHUH.
I SAID, HEY, PUT US SOME LIGHTS BACK THERE.
I DO AS A HOMEOWNER, WE HAVE SECURITY, WE HAVE OUR LIGHTING, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FURTHER BACK, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BACK THERE.
WELL, WELL THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT'S.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
CAN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN ADDRESS WITH THAT, WITH THE FOUR, THE LIGHTING ASPECT OF IT? I DON'T, I WAS TALKING TO RASHARD.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA SPEAK TO THE DETAILS OF WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT EXTENSION OR THAT PORTION OF GREAT SOUTHWEST.
BUT WITH ANY ROADWAY EXTENSION, THERE WILL BE LIGHT POLES.
SO THERE'S BE SOME LIGHTING BACK THERE THAT MAY, MAY ASSIST WITH THAT ISSUE.
NOREEN, NOREEN WILL KNOW THAT MORE THAN I WOULD THOUGH.
REALLY, WE REALLY WOULD LOVE YOUR INPUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AND YOU, AND YOU DO LIVE HERE, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AND AND, AND WHAT YOU SEE.
UM, COMMISSIONER FEDCO, ARE, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION OR DO WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION? I'M READY FOR A MOTION, YES.
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SO, UH, MADAM CHAIR, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NINE, FOR THE SUP DASH 23 DASH OH FOUR DASH 0 0 2, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, DISCUSSION AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM NINE AS PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.