* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WITH YOU. I [00:00:01] THINK I EVEN TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO. OKAY. HELLO. MY BAD. HI. WELCOME. WELCOME [Planning and Zoning Staff Briefing ] TO THE STAFF BRIEFING OF THE CITY AND GRANT OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE MEETING OF APRIL 10TH, 2023. I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THIS STAFF BRIEFING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 5:30 PM THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS WHERE THE STAFF BRIEFS THE COMMISSION AND PREVIEWS THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY FACILITATE THE MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF CASES. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE BRIEFING. PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WILL BEGIN NO EARLIER THAN 6:30 PM I'LL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE. CHERYL SMITH. HERE. MAX COLEMAN. HERE KOKA. HERE. CARL RAMIREZ. FRANK GONZALEZ. JOHN FCO. HERE. MICHELLE MADDEN. HERE. JULIA PEREZ. QUENTIN, PETE. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR CARL RAMIREZ JR. FRANK GONZALEZ. AND QUENTIN PETE. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. STAFF. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT? YES. ALL RIGHT. THIS FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A SITE PLAN FOR JEFFERSON AT LLOYD PARK PHASE TWO. UM, THE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ZONING. UH, THIS IS THE NORTHERN PORTION, WHICH IS THEIR PHASE TWO. IT'S A SITE PLAN FOR 352 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON ABOUT 14 ACRES. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN ACCESS IS OFF OF 360. IT MEETS OUR DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. AND AMENITIES INCLUDE A CLUBHOUSE, A POOL, DOG PARK, AND PERIMETER WALKING TRAILS. UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BY COUNCIL. AND THEY DO HAVE A TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND IT MEETS OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT MEETS OUR LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S A WROUGHT IRON FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS ALONG THE FRONT EDGE ROAD, AND THEY'RE PRESERVING DESIRABLE TREES. AND THOSE ARE THE SMALLER THAN THE PROTECTED TREES, AND THEY DON'T OWE A MITIGATION FEE. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATIONS. IT INCLUDES, UH, TWO COLORS OF BRICK STONE, AND THEN TWO TYPES OF FIBER CEMENT SIDING. IT MEETS OUR APPENDIX W DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS. JUST A REMINDER THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS, SO WE DO HAVE AN INCENTIVE BUILT INTO APPENDIX W AND THEY ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES. AND SINCE THEY ARE MEETING THE DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE OPTING TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF ONE BEDROOM UNITS. UH, DRC RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAD A COUPLE. AND, UM, THE, UH, 10, UH, THE IN INCREASE OF 10%, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT? I WAS READING THAT. SO THERE ARE FOUR, IF YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, DESIGN BONUSES THAT DEVELOPERS CAN QUALIFY IF THEY DESIGN THEIR BUILDINGS TO MEET OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE STATE LAW SAYS WE CANNOT REQUIRE CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS. MM-HMM . SO WE HAVE PUT IN RECOMMENDATIONS INTO APPENDIX W AND TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO DO THAT. WE'VE PROVIDED FOUR OPTIONS, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO SELECT TWO OUTTA THE FOUR. THEY WERE JUST SELECTING ONE OF THOSE, WHICH IS TO INCREASE THE MAX PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE BEDROOM UNITS. OKAY. AND ALSO, UM, THIS IS PHASE TWO, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO PHASE ONE, IS THERE GONNA BE, IS THE, UH, FACADE GONNA BE THE SAME AS FAR AS COLOR SCHEME? IS IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT GENERALLY THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS VERY SIMILAR. SO IT'S GONNA BLEND TOGETHER THERE. YES. UH, WERE THERE ANY, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORS? NO. UH, ANYBODY. COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED. SO I'LL PRESENT THEM TOGETHER. THE FIRST COMPONENT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN THE SECOND COMPONENT IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN. THIS IS FOR THE SQUARE AT MOUNTAIN VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED ON THE SCREEN. THE FIRST COMPONENT IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO REONE THE PROPERTY. AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION TO ALIGN WITH THAT ZONING. SO THEY'RE GOING FROM OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE. THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS REFLECTED OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE INCLUDES THE THREE DIFFERENT USES. [00:05:01] STAFF'S UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST SINCE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. THIS IS THE SECOND COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN. THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT 16. FOR GENERAL RETAIL USES. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND IT SO THEY CAN ADD MULTIFAMILY THREE. UH, SO THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 14 ACRES, AND ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THEIR CONCEPT PLAN. AND TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN IS NORTH. UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, THE NORTHERN MOST TRACKED 167 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND THEN TWO RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. THEY'RE ESTABLISHING BASE DINING DISTRICTS OF MULTIFAMILY THREE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION, AND THEN GENERAL RETAIL FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PORTION. AND SO ON THE SCREEN, THAT TABLE SUMMARIZES THOSE MULTIFAMILY THREE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. AND THE RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WILL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF AN SUP. THESE ARE THEIR CONCEPTUAL BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE PERIMETER FENCE AND CALL BOX. THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT HAVE A GATED PERIMETER FENCE. AND SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT WITHOUT THE REQUIRED FENCE ALONG BELT LINE, UH, SO THAT A PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS OPENLY ACCESSIBLE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO RED LINES ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS WHERE THE PROPOSED FENCE AND GATE WOULD BE. UH, SO THIS AREA TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE OPEN PARKING. THE APPLICANT STATED THAT GUESTS AND DELIVERY VE VEHICLES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED, ALLOWED TO PASS THE GATE, AND WILL BE REQUIRED TO PARK IN THE OPEN AREA. THAT'S NOT GATED. UH, STAFF'S UNABLE TO RECOMMEND OR SUPPORTED THE REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UH, PLEASE NOTE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS NOT THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S THE RECOMMENDED LAND USE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PER THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS FOR PERIMETER FENCE AND GATE, UH, WITH A, A TURNAROUND. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER? YES. UH, WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT? I'M SORRY. WOULD THAT BE THE, UH, WHAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BASE GONNA BE CLOSE TO THAT LOCATION? I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THAT UP. IT IS G-P-I-S-D? YES. UH, IF, IF POSSIBLE THE NAME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL, THERE WILL BE SCHOOL. I, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THAT UP ON THE MAP. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. HAVING WHAT? COMMISSIONER? SO, UM, IF WE DO THIS, IT'S MEANT TO BE BOTH MULTIFAMILY AND SOME COMMERCIAL STUFF, RIGHT? YES. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO IT ALL MULTIFAMILY, OR ARE THEY STUCK TO SOME SORT OF WOULD PERCENTAGE OF THE ACREAGES FOR OTHER YES. MAKING SURE IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN. SO THIS WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY. THEY COULD NOT EXTEND THE MULTIFAMILY INTO THIS PORTION SHOWN AS GENERAL RETAIL. OKAY. IS IT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE THEIR SIDE, BUT IS IT A BAD IDEA IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO HAVE SOME PARKING SPACES WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A GATE, LIKE FOR DELIVERIES OR, I DON'T KNOW, STUFF THAT YES, TYPICALLY FOR, UH, POTENTIAL RENTERS, THEY WOULD PARK IN FRONT OF THE OFFICE. UM, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT THIS, LET ME PULL UP THIS OTHER IMAGE. IT'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST A LEASING OFFICE, BUT CORRECT. IT'S ALMOST HALF OF THE PARKING. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT VISITORS AND, AND DELIVERIES AND YOU'RE MOVING IN AND MOVING TRUCKS, UH, STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S, IT'S THAT FEASIBLE TO NOT ALLOW THEM BACK HERE. UH, WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, IF THERE'S A, A GATE, A VISITOR'S GONNA TRY TO ENTER THAT GATE AND IF YOU HAVE QUEUING AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, CALL THE, THE RESIDENT OR TYPE IN A CODE THAT CREATES SOME, SOME ISSUES ON SITE. AND THAT MAP RIGHT THERE, WHAT DIRECTION IS NORTH TO THE, UM, LEFT OF THE SCREEN? TO MY LEFT? THIS IS NORTH RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MADDEN? I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, NOW LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, I CAN SEE THAT THE RESTAURANT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO PADS PROPOSED. THAT'S CORRECT. MM-HMM. OKAY. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, UM, THIS WAS PROPOSED IN ONE FELL SWOOP? THEY, THAT, THAT YOU KNOW OF, THEY OWN ALL THE PROPERTY MM-HMM . AND SO I, I BELIEVE, UH, THEY COULD COME IN AND, AND DO THE GENERAL RETAIL AS THAT ZONING'S THERE TODAY, BUT THEY'RE WANTING THE MULTIFAMILY TO GO ALONG WITH IT. OKAY. THANKS COMMISSIONERS. I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, WITH REGARD [00:10:01] TO, UM, I WAS GONNA, WHAT WAS I GONNA SAY? JUST THAT QUICK. OH, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE THE, UM, SOME KIND OF, UM, AMENDMENT OR PLAN THAT HAVE SO MANY HOTELS, UH, CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. DO WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CONCEPT FOR APARTMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF APARTMENTS EVERYWHERE, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE GONNA HAVE AN APARTMENT EVERY OTHER BLOCK. CORRECT. AND THAT HAS BEEN CONCERNED THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL VOICED BEFORE, AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE A, A, A DEVELOPMENT POLICY THAT ESSENTIALLY STATES MULTIFAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO ON PROPERTIES ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY. AND, AND THIS IS, UH, CONTRARY TO THAT POLICY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING IT. AND I SEE THAT THAT'S 167 UNITS AND TWO RESTAURANTS AND A DRIVE THROUGH. THAT'S A LOT GOING ON. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT IS, IS THERE A CONCERN WITH THE TRAFFIC? SO AS PART OF THEIR REQUEST, THEY DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND I'LL LET FOR THAT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO THEY DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THE, THE ACTUAL VOLUMES FROM IT ARE RELATIVELY LOW IN LINE WITH WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, THE UNITS ARE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY ARE, ARE A BIT LOW, AND THOSE BUSINESSES ARE SMALL. IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF DRIVE THROUGH THAT ENDS UP GOING THERE. NOT ALL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS ARE THE SAME. SO IT REALLY DEPEND ON THE END USER TO CONNECT ANY KIND OF ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR THERE THAT WE CAN'T REALLY PLAN FOR. BUT THE, THE BIG PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT IT'S GOING THERE AT THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION OF FISH CREEK AND BELTLINE. SO THEY WOULD BE THE FOURTH LEG OF THAT INTERSECTION. THERE'S ONLY THREE THERE TODAY. SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THE SITE PLAN TO DEVELOPING A RIGHT TURN LANE TO RETIMING THAT SIGNAL. SO THAT OPERATION IS, IS SMOOTHER WITH THE EXTRA TRAFFIC. UM, AND THAT WAS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE TIA, SO, SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS. YOU SAID TWO RESTAURANTS AND A DRIVE-THROUGH, SO IS THAT THREE? THERE'S THE DRIVE-THROUGH TIED TO ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS. SO BOTH OF THE RESTAURANTS HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH. OH, WOW. SO THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT GOING ON THERE. A LOT. I KNOW. THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WHERE I AM AT CAMP WISDOM AND MAGNA CARTER, THERE IS WENDY'S, THERE IS CANES, THERE IS SONIC, AND SOMETIMES IT GETS PRETTY INTERESTING 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND, AND I, IT'S, I'VE SEEN TROUBLE THERE AND THAT'S THE, THE PROXIMITY IS JUST WAY TOO CLOSE. SO I HOPE THAT WE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN WITH THAT THE WAY THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HARD, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST ON A REGULAR DAY IN AND OUT. AND THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO RESTAURANTS AND TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS AND APARTMENTS, THAT'S A LOT TO ME. I'M JUST A LAY PERSON. I'M JUST SAYING. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY ON THAT? YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? ANA? UM, JUST MAYBE WHEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF THEY CAN LET ME KNOW THE, UH, THE SCHOOL MM-HMM . THAT WILL BE FITTING INTO IT. SO I CAN KIND OF DO SOME RESEARCH REAL QUICKLY ON THE, THE SCHOOL NEARBY. OKAY. THE FOSTER CAPACITY FOR THE SCHOOL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE GOOD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR EQUIPMENT PARKING AND OUTSIDE STORAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OUTLINED IN RED ON YOUR SCREEN. THE TWO USES ARE HEAVY TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT PARKING, AND THEN OUTSIDE STORAGE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD 39 AND IT'S AT 28 14 SANDY LANE. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO USE THE PROPERTY TO PARK AND STORE SEVEN WORK TRUCKS, LIKE F TWO FIFTIES AND F THREE FIFTIES, SIX MACHINES, INCLUDING A MINI EXCAVATOR AND A DRILL, AND THEN OUTSIDE STORAGE OF MATERIALS SUCH AS ROLLS OF CONDUITS AND CABLES. UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE USES TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. WE ALSO DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING. UH, THE FIRST IS THAT IF THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT HAS TO BE SCREENED BY A MASONRY SCREENING WALL. IF THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS MOVED BACK, UH, BACK 40 FEET FROM THE STREET, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO A TYPE THREE FENCE, WHICH INCLUDES CEMENT, FIBERBOARD WOOD, OR VINYL PVC. UH, AND THEN WE STATE THAT THE FENCE HAS TO BE AT LEAST 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE APPLICANT DID CONSTRUCT A FENCE WITHOUT A PERMIT. YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN. THERE ARE METAL PANELS AND IT'S AT APPROXIMATELY THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT EXISTING FENCE. SO THE TWO VARIANCES ARE FOR THE FENCE SETBACK, UH, VARIANCE TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT 25 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SCREENING FENCE AND, UH, FENCE TYPE VARIANCE TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TYPE THREE FENCE TO ALLOW THE METAL PANEL FENCE. THE DEVELOPMENT I REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UH, THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA SHALL BE AT LEAST 40 FEET AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. OUTSIDE STORAGE SHALL BE SCREENED BY THE TYPE THREE FENCE, AND THEN THE STORAGE OF [00:15:01] HEAVY TRUCKS SHALL BE PROHIBITED. AND THAT'S REALLY INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT HIS OPERATIONS ARE, UH, REMAIN WHAT HIS STATED, UH, HEAVY TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT IS A SINGLE LAND USE AND HE'S JUST REQUIRING THE EQUIPMENT. SO WE'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT THE HEAVY TRUCKS NOT BE PROHIBIT OR NOT BE ALLOWED. UM, SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE THE EXISTING METAL FENCE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION THAT THEY MOVE THAT FENCE BACK 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? WOULD THE FENCE OBSTRUCT A VIEW FROM TURNING OR SOMETHING? IS THERE, DO YOU KNOW THE REASONING WHY OTHER THAN THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE RULES WHY IT NEEDS TO BE 25 FEET? YES. WE DON'T WANT IT TO CREATE ANY VISIBILITY ISSUES, UM, GOING IN OR EXITING THE SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. COMA. I'VE GOT, UH, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS NOW INSTEAD OF THE FORMAL MEETING BECAUSE IT'S MORE DEALS WITH MORE STAFF ISSUES. OKAY. UH, I OWN PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, I PARK TRUCKS OUT THERE, SO, BUT I DON'T DO THE SAME THING HE DOES, BUT I'LL, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON SANDY LANE, IT ONCE CONNECTED OAKDALE TO WILDLIFE PARKWAY. IT WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TILL GIFFORD HILL, DUG IT OUT AND USED THE GRAVEL FOR CEMENT STUFF YEARS AGO. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET SANDY LANE UP TO GRADE FOR YEARS. FOR MANY YEARS IT WAS A, A, UH, JUST A DARK ROAD. AND, UH, WHEN THE CITY, UH, TOOK ALL THE TERRITORIAL RIGHTS OF IT, THEY NEVER BROUGHT IN ANY UTILITIES FOR US. SO SANDY LANE DOES NOT HAVE ANY WATER. IT DOES HAVE ANY SEWER, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN TELL TIFFANY'S TIFFANY, UH, SORRY. I NEED A CLARITY ON SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY. THE PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN, IS IT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? YES. SO YOU'RE WITHIN, OKAY. YEAH, YOU CAN, I WAS IN 300 FEET OF THE, UH, UH, NOTIFICATION. YOU ARE? YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS ITEM AND NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY DISCUSSION RELATED TO IT. OKAY. I THAT, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SAD, BUT IT'S FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER HEAVY TRUCK IS LIKE A DUMP TRUCK OR WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? OR THE HUGE, UH, TRACTOR TRAILERS, 18 WHEELERS. OH. OH, OKAY. CAN WE STOP DISCUSSION FOR JUST ONE MOMENT? OKAY. OKAY. WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL MR. COLEMAN HAS EXCUSED HIMSELF BEFORE WE CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. PLEASE. I, I KNOW. THAT'S ALRIGHT. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAX. OH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TAKE BACK TO THE NO, I THINK WE'LL WAIT. WE'LL WAIT. ARE WE DONE? OKAY. OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS. I MEAN, NO MORE, UH, ITEMS TO DISCUSS. NO MORE ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE THE BOARD BRIEFING. IT'S 5 48. WE'LL RETURN AT 6:30 PM WE READY? Y'ALL READY? YES. OKAY. WELCOME [Call to Order ] TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF, WHAT IS THIS? UH, APRIL THE 10TH, 2023. I'M CHERYL SMITH, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS HEREBY CALL TO ORDER AT 6:30 PM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETS THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH MONTH. ALL MEETINGS ARE VIDEO RECORDED. NO OFFICIAL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN UNLESS PROPER APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOLLOWS A PRINTED AGENDA THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE ROUTINE ITEMS WHICH CAN ALL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION. HOWEVER, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MAY MAKE A MOTION TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER AN ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA. INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR NOTE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WITHOUT SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD. THESE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTER AND SHOULD BE TURNED IN AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM PRIOR TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM BEING CALLED, I WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS TO CONFIRM THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. AFTER I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY, HERE CHERYL SMITH. HERE, MAX COLEMAN. HERE KOKA HERE CALLED RAMIREZ. HERE. FRANK GONZALEZ. JOHN FCO. HERE. MICHELLE MADDEN. HERE. JULIA PEREZ. QUENTIN PETE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT EXCEPT FOR FRANK GONZALEZ [00:20:01] AND QUENTIN JULIA PEREZ AND QUENTIN PEACH. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER ANNA COCA AND I WILL GIVE THE, UM, LEAD WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE US AND TEXAS FLAG. THANK YOU DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TOGETHER THIS EVENING. WE INVITE YOU TO PRESIDE OVER THIS MEETING. EVEN IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, GIVE US UNITY OF SPIRIT. HELP US TO EACH LISTEN POLITELY AS OTHERS SHARE THEIR POINTS OF VIEW. HELP US TO WORK AS A UNIFIED TEAM IN COMBINING IDEAS FOR A GREAT OUTCOME. LORD, WE ASK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM AS WE MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS IN THIS MEETING. HELP US TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED. MAY THOSE SHARING INFORMATION GIVE US PERTINENT IN POINTS SO WE ALL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND. HELP US TO BE INNOVATIVE AS WE BRAINSTORM SOLUTIONS. HELP US TO WISELY EVALUATE ALL OPTIONS, CONSIDERING, CONSIDERING THE PROS AND CONS. HELP US TO BE UNIFIED IN MAKING THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISIONS AND TO EFFECTIVELY CARRY THEM OUT. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. I PLACE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE BAR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS LETTER. I PLEDGE JUST TO THE TEXAS, TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVISIBLE IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS. THE FOLLOWING MEETING GUIDELINES WILL APPLY. THE STAFF WILL PRESENT FIRST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM. FOLLOWING A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY STAFF, APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT. ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKEN, EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FILLS OUT A SPEAKER CARD WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. ADDITIONAL SPEAKING TIME MAY BE ALLOWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE SPEAKING. SPEAKER SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ALONG WITH WHOM YOU REPRESENT. IF APPLICABLE, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA SHOULD SPEAK UNDER THE HEADING OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION OF EACH ITEM AT THIS TIME, CITIZENS MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [CONSENT AGENDA ] THE NEXT MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION IS APPROVING THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH, WHAT IS THAT? ONE THROUGH SIX. MADAM CHAIR? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 27TH, 2023 P AND Z MEETING, AND ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SECOND, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE CONSENT. CONSENT AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADDEN. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. [7. STP-22-11-0058 - Site Plan - Jefferson at Loyd Park Phase 2 (City Council District 4). Site Plan for Phase 2 of Jefferson at Loyd Park, a multi-family development with 352 units on 14.13 acres. A tract of land out of the Ralph Graves Survey, Abstract No. 569, City of Grand Prairie, Tarrant County, Texas, zoned PD-431, and generally located south of Prairie Waters Dr and east of SH-360 ] NEXT ITEM REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. ON THE SCREEN IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT MEETS OUR LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE PROPOSING A WROUGHT IRON FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS ALONG 360, WHICH IS WHAT THE UDC REQUIRES. ADDITIONALLY, THEY DID CONDUCT A TREE SURVEY AND THEY'RE PRESERVING SOME DESIRABLE TREES, WHICH ARE THREE TO EIGHT CALIBER INCHES, AND THEY DO NOT OWE ANY MITIGATION FEE. ON THE SCREEN IS THEIR PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE GOT, UH, DIFFERENT MATERIALS INCLUDING TWO COLORS OF BRICK STONE AND TWO TYPES OF FIBER CEMENT SIDING. THEY ARE MEETING OUR APPENDIX W DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, CITY, UH, CANNOT REGULATE THE BUILDING MATERIALS. SO WE HAVE ADDED INCENTIVES TO APPENDIX W TO GET DEVELOPERS TO MEET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES. AND SINCE THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATIONS MEET THOSE DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY CAN SELECT, UH, TWO OUT OF FOUR DESIGN, UH, BONUSES [00:25:01] THEY ARE SELECTING. TWO, INCREASE THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF ONE BEDROOM UNITS. THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY, DISCUSS ANY DISCUSSION? COULD COMMISSIONER MADDEN QUICK QUESTION. I'M, YOU MAY HAVE COVERED THIS ALREADY. I, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE MET THE PARKING, UM, REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, DOES THAT COUNT CHANGE AT ALL IF THEY DECIDE TO CHOOSE THE ADDITIONAL ONE BEDROOM? SO IT, IT, IT DOES REFLECT THE, THE PARKING CALCULATIONS. WE DID CALCULATE THE REQUIRED PARKING BASED ON THOSE PROPOSED UNITS. OKAY. WHICH INCLUDES THAT DESIGN BONUS. OKAY. THANKS COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THEY SHOULD BE HERE, YES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE, THERE'S CARLOS, LI AND TROY OR TREY? TREY. TREY SULLIVAN. I THINK WE JUST HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO I, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP PLEASE. YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. SURE. MY NAME IS CARLOS AL WITH KIMLEY HORN. I LIVE AT 6 0 1 GLEN HILL LANE IN LEWISVILLE, TEXAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. SURE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS? UH, WE HAVE NOT HELD ANY MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND THIS IS PHASE TWO, CORRECT? YES, THIS IS PHASE TWO. OKAY. HOW IS PHASE ONE GOING? UH, PRETTY WELL. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AT A DECENT PACE. SO YOU HAVE UH, ALMOST WHAT, 80% CAPACITY OR WHAT IS YOUR CAPACITY? CAPACITY? WE'RE STILL MOVING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AT THE MOMENT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN, OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER KOCO? YES, SIR. UM, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT THIS IS GONNA FEED INTO? I DO NOT. OKAY. UH, THE LOCATION IS 360. UH, IS IT, UM, MANSFIELD SCHOOL DISTRICT? DO WE OR GRAND PRAIRIE SCHOOL DISTRICT? I'M THINKING THAT'S IT'S MANSFIELD. IT IS MANSFIELD'S. ISD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, CAN YOU TELL US WHY THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE A NEED FOR DOING A PHASE TWO ALREADY AND YOU'RE STILL FINISHING PHASE ONE? WHY WE HAVE A NEED TO RUN PHASE TWO? MM-HMM . UH, JUST EASIER REVIEWS WITH CITI. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING BOTH PHASES CONCURRENTLY. WE CAN APPLY, UH, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME. UM, AND THE PHASES ARE INTERCONNECTED, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT UTILITIES FOR THE PHASES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SHARE WATERS, SHARE SEWER SHARE, UH, DETENTION. MM-HMM . UM, SO JUST FROM A REGIONAL SOLUTION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO IT MAKES SENSE. AND ALSO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE DONE A MARKETING STUDY AND YOU SEE THAT THIS IS A, A BOOMING AREA. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A BOOMING AREA. YES. YES. YOU WANT TO GET IN ON THE GROUND LEVEL. UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? YEAH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I'M LOOKING AT THE VISUAL THAT STAFF GAVE US AND IT LOOKED LIKE, I THOUGHT PHASE ONE WAS NORTHEAST OF YOUR PROPERTY. IS IT NOT? PHASE ONE IS SOUTH. OH, IT'S SOUTH. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DONE . OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET READY TO VOTE? THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO MA'AM. NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS? UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? CAN I GET A MOTION? COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM EIGHT CPA 23 0 2 0 0 3, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE SQUARE AT MOUNTAIN VIEW AND APPROVE. UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DRC APPROVAL FOR MOUNTAIN VIEW. THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MOUNTAIN VIEW. IT'S NOT THE MOUNTAIN ON SEVEN. YOU GOT SEVEN. SEVEN. OKAY, I'LL DO SEVEN, MAN. SEVEN. AND GOT TURNOVER SIX. IT'S IN THE, OH, IT'S IN THE BOTTOM. GEEZ, I MY GLASSES ON TOO. OKAY. UH, ITEM SEVEN, UH, SITE PLAN 22 11 0 0 5 8. SITE PLAN FOR JEFFERSON AT LLOYD PARK, PHASE TWO. AND, UH, MARK IT FOR APPROVAL PER DRC RECOMMENDATION PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN, SITE PLAN STP 22 11 0 0 5 8. UM, AS PER UH, DRC RECOMMENDATIONS BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COKER. CAN WE GET A VOTE ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [00:30:01] NEXT ITEM. [Items 8 & 9 (Part 1 of 2) ] ALRIGHT, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED. SO I'LL PRESENT THEM AT THE SAME TIME. AND THE FIRST COMPONENT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND COMPONENT IS THE ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN. SO THIS FIRST ELEMENT IS TO, UM, CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN ON THE SCREEN. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A ZONING CHANGE. AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO BRING THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, TO ALIGN WITH THAT PROPOSED ZONING. SO THEY'RE GOING FROM OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE. HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS REFLECTED OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE INCLUDES THE THOSE THREE USES. STAFF'S UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST SINCE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT FEATURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. THE SECOND COMPONENT IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD 16 FOR GENERAL RETAIL. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MULTIFAMILY THREE AND GENERAL RETAIL. AND IT'S ON ABOUT 14.3 ACRES ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THERE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN AND TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN IS NORTH. UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING 167 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THEN THEY HAVE TWO RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. THEY'RE PROPOSING MULTIFAMILY THREE AS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION. AND A SUMMARY OF THOSE DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PORTION, THEY ARE DESIGNATING GENERAL RETAIL AS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT. AND I WILL NOTE THAT THE RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WILL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL OF A APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. ON THE SCREEN ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL BUILDING ELEVATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. THEY ARE REQUESTING A VA A VARIANCE TO THE PERIMETER FENCE AND CALL BOX. THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE A GATED PERIMETER FENCE. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT WITHOUT THE REQUIRED FENCE ALONG BELT LINE SO THAT A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS OPENLY ACCESSIBLE. UH, THE TWO GATED ENTRANCES, UH, SHOWN IN RED ON THE SCREEN, UH, DO NOT HAVE A CALL BOX FOR VISITORS. AND THE APPLICANTS HAS STATED THAT THE GUEST AND DELIVERY VEHICLES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED PAST THOSE GATES AND THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO PARK IN THE PARKING SPACES OUTSIDE OF THE GATED PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UH, STAFFS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUESTS BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AS A NOTE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS NOT THE ZONING OF A PROPERTY, IT'S THE RECOMMENDED LAND USE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ANOTHER NOTE IS, SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION THAT THEY MEET THE PERIMETER FENCE AND CALL BOX REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDC. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO IT NOT MEETING THE, THE FLUME REQUIREMENT. WHAT IS THE, WHAT WOULD THE FLUME LIKE THERE? OPEN SPACE AND DRAINAGE. JUST THE OPEN SPACE. AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEEDED TO KNOW ON THAT? UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING COME, COME IN. SHARE, UH, QUESTION, ARE THESE GOING TO BE FOR LEASE OR FOR SALE UNITS? THE, THEY WOULD BE FOR LEASE. DO WE KNOW THE PRICE RANGE? I DO NOT, BUT THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE AND WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, JOHN? NO. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. UH, SPEAKER CARDS. DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARDS? UH, TIFFANY IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THE ITEM. YOU NOT YOU BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? THAT WAS BOTH OF THEM. YEAH, THAT WAS BOTH OF THEM. YEAH. DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I I, THEY SHOULD BE HERE. THEY EMAILED ME A PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON, SO I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE PLANNING ON ATTENDING. WELL AT THIS POINT, IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? NONE FOR THIS ITEM. WE JUST WALKED THROUGH THE BATHROOM. CAN WE, UM, NO. WELL, WE CAN'T POSTPONE. WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ITEM. YOU CAN TABLE THE REQUEST. YOU WANT WHAT? YOU, YOU, YOU COULD TABLE THE REQUEST. YOU COULD D YOU COULD BASICALLY PUT A PIN IN THIS ONE AND MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ITEM AND COME BACK TO THIS ONE LATER IN THE AGENDA IF YOU WANT IT. IT'S YOUR CHOICE, MS. CHAIRPERSON. OKAY. UH, TO BE FAIR, I DON'T MIND TABLING THIS, THIS ITEM TABLE. I MEAN, I MEAN, PUT A PEN ON IT, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH EITHER BECAUSE I THINK IF THE APPLICANT WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THIS ITEM, THEY'D [00:35:01] BE HERE. MM-HMM . YOU, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD. DISCUSSION THE, YEAH. SO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE PENDING, ARE THEY, THEY ARE CRITICAL TO YOUR DECISION ON THIS? NO, I, I'VE ALREADY MADE MY DECISION WHEN WE WERE IN BOARD BRIEFING. OKAY. AND I, I'D JUST LIKE TO RESTATE THAT, WHAT THAT WAS. I HAD CONCERN ABOUT HAVING SO MUCH IN ONE AREA, TWO RESTAURANTS, TWO DRIVE THROUGHS. RIGHT. AND COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, IS A LOT. OKAY. AND I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT I REALLY DON'T. UH, SO IF FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS ONE. OKAY. SO IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T APPEAR, WE COULD STILL MAKE A DECISION, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. YEAH. UM, ARE, ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PIN PIN WITH THE YEAH. OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL PIN IT, WE'LL PIN ITEM, UM, EIGHT AND NINE AND GO ON TO ITEM 10. [10. SUP-23-02-0005 - Specific Use Permit - Outside Storage at 2814 Sandy Ln (City Council District 1). Specific Use Permit for Heavy Truck or Equipment Parking and Outside Storage. Tract 39, James McLaughlin Survey, Abstract No. 848, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned PD-39, within the SH 161 Corridor Overlay District, and addressed as 2814 Sandy Ln ] ALRIGHT, ITEM 10 IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR EQUIPMENT PARKING AND OUTSIDE STORAGE AT 28 14. SANDY LANE. TIFFANY, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ANNOUNCE. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO ANNOUNCE. NO. OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD SAMANTHA. OKAY. UH, SO THIS REQUEST IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HEAVY TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT PARKING AND OUTSIDE STORAGE. BOTH OF THOSE USES TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UH, PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN RED ON THE SCREEN AND ITS OWN PD 39 FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. THE APPLICANT INTENDS INTENDS TO USE THE PROPERTY TO PARK AND STORE SEVEN WORK TRUCKS, UH, SIX MACHINES INCLUDING A MINI EXCAVATOR AND DRILL, AND THEN MATERIALS SUCH AS ROLLS OF CONDUITS AND CABLES WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE. THE UDC HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IF THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT HAS TO BE SCREENED BY MASONRY SCREENING WALL. IF IT'S FURTHER THAN 40 FEET FROM THE STREET, THEN THE TYPE THREE FENCE IS REQUIRED AND THAT INCLUDES CEMENT, FIBERBOARD WOOD, OR VINYL PVC. AND THEN FINALLY THE FENCE HAS TO BE 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AS PART OF THIS SUP TO UTILIZE AN EXISTING FENCE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT. YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN, UH, METAL PANELS AND IT'S CONSTRUCTED AT THE PROPERTY LINE. SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO KEEP THAT EXISTING FENCE, WHICH REQUIRES A COUPLE OF VARIANCES VERSUS THE FENCE SETBACK. UH, WE REQUIRE THE 25 FOOT AND THEY ARE REQUESTING TO KEEP IT WHERE IT'S LOCATED. AND THEN THE SECOND IS THE FENCE TYPE. THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE TYPE THREE FENCE TO ALLOW THE METAL PANEL FENCE. AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS AT LEAST 40 FEET AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE SHALL BE SCREENED BY THE TYPE THREE FENCE AND THEN THE STORAGE OF HEAVY TRUCKS SHALL BE PROHIBITED. AND WE'VE ADDED THAT RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH HIS PROPOSED OPERATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES TRUCKS LIKE, UH, FORD F TWO 50, UH, NOT THE HEAVY 18 WHEELERS. UM, SO SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE THE EXISTING METAL FENCE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT MOVE THE FENCE BACK 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND UH, MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT ANY VISIBILITY ISSUES. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER MAD. ARE THERE OTHER FENCES NEARBY, UM, OF SIMILAR MATERIAL THAT THEY'VE USED? THE I FENCING IN THAT AREA IS FAIRLY OLD. I, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP AN, UH, A GOOGLE STREET, GOOGLE VIEW TO, TO VIEW IT. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER , AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS, MISS IT EITHER IN THE BRIEFING OR JUST NOW. HOW DOES THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHAT'S THE 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY? WHAT'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT THE, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THE OUTSIDE STORAGE OF, OF MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT FAR AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY SO IT'S NOT AS VISIBLE. AND SO THAT'S, THAT THAT DISTANCE WHEN YOU MEAN RIGHT OF WAY, YOU MEAN STREET, THE, THE LINE, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE. UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN, IN ORANGE. OH, SO IT'S SO NOT THE STREET, BUT THE CORRECT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TYPICALLY WIDER THAN THE STREET. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YES SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE BY THE WAY? I BELIEVE THEY ARE. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THE FENCE, THE FENCES NEED TO BE MOVED BACK 25 FEET. HOW FAR IS IT NOW? IT, I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. AND WE DON'T, SO THE PROPERTY LINES, I'M ASSUMING THE STREET. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR, HOW MUCH FARTHER THIS'S GOTTA COME BACK FROM THAT OR I, I WOULD SAY THIS IS ROUGHLY OKAY. SO PART OF THE 20 FEET BACK? YES SIR. COMMISSIONER MADDEN, I'M [00:40:01] LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW RIGHT NOW AND IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT IN THE VICINITY. IT'S JUST, JUST FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE, OF THE BOARD HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OLD WOOD FENCE IN THE VICINITY. JUST FYI COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA PRETTY MUCH. AND I SEE THERE'S ON THE MAP HERE, IT SHOWS 1 61. THE PROXIMITY TO THAT, I CAN'T REALLY TELL. I JUST SEE THE MAP OF 1 61. CORRECT. SO IT AT 1 61 IS WEST OF THE, THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS AERIAL VIEW. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY FROM 1 61 OR SORT OF KIND OF, I I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT, NO. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAVANNAH? THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. OKAY. SPEAKER CARDS FOR THE APP. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. LEONEL BENITEZ. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JANELLE BENITEZ. UH, I LIVE AT TWO 17 SMALL HILL GRAND PRAIRIE. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FEDCO. HI MR. BENITEZ. THIS, THIS IS MY DISTRICT, UM, STAFF HAS BROUGHT UP SOME POINTS, UH, ABOUT HOW YOU PUT UP THIS FENCE, UM, RAISED SOME GOOD POINTS. THE, THE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S CONCERN THAT WHEN YOU BUILD A FENCE LIKE THAT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, IT PRESENTS A DANGER FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE TURNS OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AND UH, SEE, WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO GET PERMIT TO BUILD A FENCE. SO, YOU KNOW, I BUILT IT, IT IS NOT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT ABOUT 10 FEET INSIDE THE PROPERTY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MOVE IT BACK. I'M, I'M GONNA MOVE, I'M GONNA MOVE THE FENCE BACK, THE 25 FOOT, WHATEVER THEY REQUIRE. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH COMPLYING WITH THAT REQUIREMENT? YEAH, I'M, I MEAN, I'M GONNA MOVE IT. I MEAN, NO, I MEAN WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE IS, IS WHAT THAT AREA IS USED FOR, BUT IT'S A VALID CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE THAT FENCE IS TO THE STREET. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. ESPECIALLY WITH SLOW MOVING EQUIPMENT. YEAH. MAKING TURNS ONTO THAT STREET. I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA SET IT BACK. THANK YOU. 25 FOOT COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING YOUR BUSINESS HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? YES. UM, ELI BEIT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM BUT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. AND THEN DEBRA JOHNSTON IS PRESENT AND WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM. THANK YOU MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. DEBORAH JOHNSTON, 1651 ERNIE LANE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS. I LIVED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN FOR OVER, UH, 20 YEARS GROWING UP NOW I LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. AND UM, UM, THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID THAT HE WOULD MOVE THE FENCE BACK. UM, THAT AREA OUT THERE. I USED TO DRIVE THAT WAY FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN TO GO TO THE LANDFILL. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT A LOT BETTER. AND IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S TWO LANES, BUT IF SINCE HE'S GONNA MOVE HIS FENCE, IT'S KIND OF A MUTE POINT. BUT IF HE WERE TO ALLOW TO BE, KEEP HIS FENCE RIGHT THERE, YOU HAVE NO ROOM FOR DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE FOR THOSE FENCES AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TURNS SAFELY WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST GO AROUND THEM. AND, UM, WHERE DO, WHERE DO YOUR TRUCKS QUEUE TO BE ABLE TO TURN INTO THEIR, WHERE DO THEY QUEUE OR DO THEY, ARE THEY JUST ON THE STREET? LET'S JUST, THAT'S THAT SAVANNAH, SPEAK TO THAT. SAVANNAH. I'M SORRY. SO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S A HUGE VOLUME O OF TRUCKS. THEY'RE THEIR PICKUPS AND SO THEY WOULD JUST OH, TURN IN, IN THE STREET. SO THEY'RE NOT THE I THOUGHT HE WAS ASKING FOR A HEAVY TRUCK THAT'S SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWED. OKAY. CORRECT. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO THE, THE LAND USE CATEGORY INCLUDES BOTH OF THOSE AND HE, BUT HE'S NOT PROPOSING THE 18 WHEELERS. OKAY. WELL IF HE'S GONNA MOVE IT BACK, THAT WILL PREVENT Y'ALL FROM PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, UM, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THERE WASN'T WATER OR SOMETHING OUT THERE, SO YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, UTILITIES AND STUFF MM-HMM . RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT LAND IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. MS. JOHNSON, WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE TAKE OUR CUES FROM THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MM-HMM . DEPARTMENT AND DRC AND THEY ALWAYS GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THIS POINT. YEAH. SO WE, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY. OKAY. WELL I JUST WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING ON THE NORTH SIDE AS, AS, AS WELL AS YOU'RE DOING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. YES MA'AM. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS? [00:45:01] WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS. UH, JOHN CHU, SINCE THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR AREA. YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT COULD SAVANNAH GO BACK TO HER RECOMMENDATIONS PAGE ON THE PRESENTATION? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I JUST WANNA SEE IT UP ON SCREEN AND I WILL NOTE THAT I EMAILED THE APPLICANT AND, UH, AT THE TIME HE WAS STUCK, UH, WITH THE TRAIN. SO HE IS ON HIS WAY. WE, WE GOT A PIN IN IT. , HE'S HERE. OH, HE'S HERE. HE'S HERE NOW. HE'S HERE. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION, YEAH. OKAY, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. SO IF I WANTED TO CHANGE IT, I WOULD JUST SAY PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THAT THE FENCE BE MOVED BACK, BE 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE USING THE CEMENT. I THINK IT'S IN THERE. YEAH. USING I FOR THIS IS AN AESTHETIC CONCERN, BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT METAL FENCE LOOKS BETTER THAN WOOD FENCES AFTER TIME. I MEAN, IT'S GALVANIZED AND IT'S STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. THE GUY PUT REAL MONEY INTO IT SO IT, IT LOOKS OKAY TO ME. SO ANYWAY, UH, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS ITEM EIGHT. THIS IS ITEM 10. THAT'S RIGHT. WE SWITCHED AROUND. I'M SORRY. MM-HMM . UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION. EXCUSE ME. MM-HMM . THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THIS REQUEST WITH THE PROVISO THAT IN ADDITION TO ACCEPTING ALL OF DRCS RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT THE APPLICANT MUST MOVE HIS FENCE BACK AT THE EXISTING FENCE, AT LEAST BACK, UH, 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. GO AHEAD. ONE OF STAFF'S CONDITION WAS THAT IT'S A TYPE THREE FENCE AND SO THE EXISTING METAL, OH, SO YOU WOULD STRIKE OUT THAT SECOND CONDITION? I'M SORRY. STRIKE OUT CONDITION NUMBER TWO. I APOLOGIZE. SO THAT WE, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST START IT OVER THEN. PROBABLY, I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST PER DRC RECOMMENDATIONS, HOWEVER WE STRIKE OUT DRC RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO AND WE ALLOW HIM TO KEEP THE EXISTING METAL FENCE, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE MOVED BACK 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ITEM 10. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADDEN. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 10 TO APPROVE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER FEDCO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADDEN TO APPROVE MINUS NUMBER TWO ON, UH, WITH THE UH, DRC RECOMMENDATIONS MINUS ITEM TWO. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, [Items 8 & 9 (Part 2 of 2)] WE WE'RE GOING BACK, WE'RE GOING BACK TO, UM, FOR CLARITY, EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, WE HAVE ITEMS THEM EIGHT AND NINE AND THE APPLICANT WAS NOT HERE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, SO I'M NOT SURE. DO WE HAVE TO REHEAR THAT AGAIN? RASHAD TIFFANY? NO. LEGALLY YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REHEAR THAT. YOU CAN CONTINUE THE HEARING FROM WHERE YOU LEFT OFF. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO Y'ALL NEED A RECAP ON THE RECOMMENDATION AT LEAST? YES. HI. HELLO. QUENT. QUENTIN, PETE JUST CAME IN AT 6:59 PM COMMISSIONERS. WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO, UH, AT LEAST SEE THE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, UH, AT LEAST THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN? YES. FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, UH, OF COMMISSIONER PETE, WE'RE ON ITEM. WE SKIPPED ITEM EIGHT AND NINE. UH, COMMISSIONER PETE. AND WE'RE GOING BACK TO IT. THE APPLICANT WAS NOT HERE, HE JUST MADE IT IN DUE TO TRAFFIC. AND SO CAN YOU KIND OF JUST, YES. SO, UH, THESE TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER. THE FIRST IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, CHANGING IT FROM OPEN SPACE AND DRAINAGE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE. THE SECOND COMPONENT IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN ON BOTH OF THOSE STAFFS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST 'CAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. THANK YOU. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MORE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, SAVANNAH THE APPLICANT IS HERE. DO WE HAVE THE SPEAKER CARD FOR THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YES. UM, HAMZA ODAY. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCED THAT YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY. YES. YES SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. HAMZA ODAY WITH 6 8 2 7 COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY IN PLANO AND ALSO 3 9 3 8 ESCO DRIVE, GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS. SO JUST TO START OFF, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS PROPOSAL, THE REASON THAT I CHOSE THIS SPECIFIC SITE IS BECAUSE I CHOSE TO LOOK AT YOUR, FIRST OF ALL, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SECOND OF ALL, YOUR 2021, UH, STRATEGIC HOUSING PLAN, UH, THAT YOU MADE IN 2021 FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. IN REGARDS TO THAT, [00:50:01] WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, I SPOKE WITH EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE VICINITY OF POSSIBLY, I WANT TO SAY ONE AND A HALF MILES OF THIS CORRIDOR OF INTERSTATE 20 AND BELTLINE ROAD. AND THE REASON THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET IS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD ZONE, IT WOULDN'T GET ENOUGH TRAFFIC FOR RETAIL AND THEY WOULDN'T GET ENOUGH TRAFFIC FOR HOSPITALITY, WHICH IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S ZONED FOR GENERAL RETAIL PDD 16. THE REASON WE MADE IT A PROPOSAL TO DO, UH, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WANTED TO OFFER MORE LUXURY OPTIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE TO LIVE THERE. UH, IN REGARD TO THAT, ALSO KEEPING IT PRICE EFFICIENT. SO WE WOULD BE OFFERING VERY HIGH QUALITY, UH, CABINETRY, VERY HIGH QUALITY, UH, AMENITIES INSIDE OF THE POOL AREA. AND IT WOULD ALSO BE A WRAP STYLE MULTIFAMILY. AND WE WOULD BE KEEPING THIS COST NO HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE OF 1375 TO 1575, UH, PER UNIT JUST TO CREATE MORE OPTIONS IN AFFORDABILITY AND KEEP THAT HOUSING, UH, DEMAND WHERE IT IS AND WHERE WE NEED IT TO BE. UM, NOW ALSO WHAT ME AND MY TEAM ARE PREPARED TO OFFER IS WE REALLY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS CORRIDOR OR BEING THE ENTRANCE OF GRAND PRAIRIE. SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING INTO INTERSTATE 20 RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PRETTY MUCH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS, BUT A DEAD ZONE DRIVING INTO IT, YOU DON'T SEE ANY LIVE LIVELINESS, YOU DON'T SEE ANY ENTERTAINMENT. AND I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PART DEVELOPED IN TERMS OF, OF BUILDING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AND BUILDING MORE ENTERTAINMENT. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T JUST PUT MULTIFAMILY THERE. WE WANTED TO OFFER TWO QSRS AND ALSO WE'RE PURCHASING THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET AND THE LAND ADJACENT TO THAT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FULL COMMERCIAL ON THAT SIDE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION OF COURSE, WITH RESPECT TO YOURS WOULD BE TO CONSIDER, UH, THE FULL PROPOSAL, NOT JUST THIS, UH, 14 ACRE PROPERTY, BUT EVERYTHING OUTLINED IN RED THERE TO WHERE WE WOULD BE PURCHASING THOSE AND PROVIDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL RETAIL. THERE. IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION? THAT'S IT. COMMISSION DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER , IT'S MR. ODAY? YES, SIR. SO MR. ODAY, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW MORE APARTMENTS IN A CITY THAT HAS A LOT OF APARTMENTS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. WAS THERE A REASON IN AN ORDER GO AHEAD. SORRY. AND IN ORDER TO SUFFICE FOR THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING THERE. OKAY. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY OF THE EXISTING LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY? THE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO DO MULTIFAMILY IN THIS, UH, LOT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT HAS A TREMENDOUS VIEW OF THE ENTIRE PRAIRIE AND THE ENTIRE MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE. AND WE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, THE FEMA AND THE U-S-A-C-E PORTION IN TERMS OF PROVIDING RECREATION THAT COULD BE FUNDED BY THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, ALONG WITH THE MULTIFAMILY MAINTAINED BY THE MULTIFAMILY AND NOT JUST THE BURDEN ON THE QSR RESTAURANTS AND NOT JUST THE BURDEN ON IF WE, UH, PUT GENERAL RETAIL ON THAT PORTION. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT INSTEAD OF IT DOING LEASE PROPERTY, YOU DO LIKE TOWN HOMES INDIVIDUALLY, DEEDED PROPERTIES? WE HAVE THOUGHT OF TOWN HOMES, UH, POSSIBLY FOR SALE OR FOR RENT. UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION, BUT YOU HAVE A TOUGH VOTE TO GET ME TO ACCEPT TO MAKE MORE DIRT IN GRAND PRAIRIE ELIGIBLE FOR MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. UM, IF YOU GIVE A COMPELLING, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A COMPELLING REASON WHY. OKAY. NOW YOUR, YOUR MAIN, UH, WELL, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK. I THINK. MR. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER. YOU SAID MR. O'DAY? YES SIR. HOW'S IT GOING? HEY, SO YOU SAID Y'ALL ALREADY PURCHASED THE, THE LAND BEHIND IT OR YOU'RE GOING TO PURCHASE IT? WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS CURRENTLY. AND HOW, HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? [00:55:01] UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO I BELIEVE 27 AND A HALF ACRES. OKAY. AND YOU, AND YOU MENTIONED, UH, HIGH END WITH THE, UH, WITH THE MULTIFAMILY. WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR PLANS WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THAT? THE SAME ASPECT. SO IF AS FAR AS WHAT, LIKE THE SAME ASPECT OF DOING, UH, THIS TYPE OF QSR THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. OKAY. AND ALSO PROVIDING MORE SPACES FOR QSR. UH, ALSO IF YOU SEE BEHIND THE RACETRACK, THERE'S ALREADY TWO HOSPITALITY, UH, HOTELS THAT WERE, UM, I BELIEVE APPROVED. UH, THE SITE PLANS WERE APPROVED AND THE JOBS WERE JUST PRETTY MUCH ABANDONED BECAUSE THE OWNER JUST DIDN'T WANNA FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. AND WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT TO CARRY OUT THOSE TWO HOSPITALITIES ALONG WITH, UH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO DO BIG BOX RETAIL THERE AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO DO MORE QSR ON THE FRONTAGE OF THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY, I GUESS WHERE I SPOKE TO ABOUT THE BIG BOX AREA, LIKE BIG BOX RETAIL? LIKE, I'M SORRY, ANYBODY? LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE BIG BOX THAT Y'ALL ALREADY, UH, YES. WE'RE IN SPEAKINGS WITH TRADER JOE'S. WE SAW THAT TRADER JOE'S WASN'T AN OPTION IN GRAND PRAIRIE. THE NEAREST ONES IS PLANO, DALLAS, AND FORT WORTH. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING A TRADER JOE'S AND POSSIBLY A, UH, WHOLE FOODS. SO THAT'D BE LIKE, THAT'D BE THE ANCHOR ESSENTIALLY. YES, SIR. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN THOSE TYPES OF STORES, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T BRING JUST, YOU KNOW, YOUR MCDONALD'S AND WENDY'S. IT'S LIKE HIGHER END STYLE. HIGHER END AND HEALTHIER OPTIONS. EXACTLY. FOR THE CITIZENS OF GRAND PRAIRIE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, MAD COMMISSIONER. WASCO. OKAY. KELCO THEN COMMISSIONER. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE PRICE RANGE OF THE POSSIBLE, UM, RENTAL, BUT, UH, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND UM, 'CAUSE WE DO WANT MORE FAMILIES TO COME AND STAY, UH, GRAND PRAIRIE RESIDENCE FOR, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND NOT JUST RENTAL, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, WE KNOW THAT WITH RENTAL THEY TEND TO TO LEAVE US TOO SOON. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE POSSIBILITY OF TURNING IT INTO A POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING, UM, HOMEOWNERS, EVEN IF IT'S THROUGH, UM, UM, NOT APARTMENTS, BUT UH, TOWNHOUSES, TOWN HOMES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE UNDER THE REQUIREMENT OF 2200 SQUARE FEET FOR HOMES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SHARED YOUR IDEAS ABOUT OTHER PROPERTY, BUT TODAY AGAIN, THE FOCUS IS THE PROPERTY AT HAND AND AS, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER FEDORKO MENTIONED, HAVING MORE APARTMENTS IN GRAND PRAIRIE IS REALLY NOT A POSITIVE RIGHT NOW. UM, LIKE THE PRICING SOUNDED REASONABLE, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS WHY, UM, I FEEL LIKE ALMOST, UM, YOU'RE PACKAGING THESE TWO POTENTIAL BUSINESSES WITH THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS. NO. NO. OKAY. WHY? IT'S WEIRD THAT THEY'RE TO, IT'S ALL TOGETHER IN REGARDS TO THAT , TELL ME ABOUT THIS. THE FIRST PROPERTY WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED WAS THE FIVE ACRE TRACK THAT HAS THE, THE ONE QSR ON THERE. WE WANTED TO DO THE QSR FIRST. UM, AND THE REASON THERE'S ONLY ONE QSR ON THERE IS BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY 1.3 ACRES BUILDABLE ON THAT SPECIFIC FIVE ACRE PLOT. UM, AND THEN WE PROCEEDED TO BUY THE NEXT DOOR, 5.44 ACRES, THE NEXT DOOR, 2.5 ACRES, AND THE NEXT DOOR, 2.5 ACRES TO THAT. OKAY. TO ADD TO IT. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WERE HAVING, UM, HAVING RESIDENCES BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING THESE RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL. BUT DO YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOU THINK THAT THE, UM, EMPLOYEES NEED TO LIVE THERE OR, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING THE CONNECT THERE IN REGARDS TO THAT. WE HAVE, UH, JUST OUR COMPANY MM-HMM . UM, I HAVE EIGHT EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE IN THE VICINITY OF, UH, I THINK SEVEN TO 10 MILES OF THIS PROPERTY. MM-HMM . AND THEY TRAVEL ALL THE WAY TO, UH, TO PLANO, TEXAS. THE REASON THEY DO THAT IS BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO LIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY RENTING, UH, HOMES IN THE NEARBY AREA IN THAT COUNTRY, CLUB PARK AND ALL OF THOSE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY COULDN'T FIND, UH, A MORE AFFORDABLE HOME TO RENT AND THEY ALSO CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE MORTGAGES RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S A, A BIG BENEFACTOR IN DOING THAT. AND ALSO NEXT TO KIMBERLY CLARK AND THE CUMMINS DISTRIBUTION, YOU HAVE SO MANY WAREHOUSES THAT ARE COMING UP MM-HMM . AND BEING DEVELOPED THAT THOSE THOSE WORKFORCES ARE GONNA NEED, UH, FUTURE APARTMENTS [01:00:01] TO LIVE IN ALSO. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. HAVE YOU LOOKED AROUND, HAVE YOU DRIVEN AROUND GRAND PRAIRIE LATELY? I'M FROM GRAND PRAIRIE. OKAY. SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN ALL THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. I, AND ALSO, I, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFF OF SUBJECT WITH OTHER PROPERTIES MM-HMM . UH, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN IS THE GATEWAY MASTER PLAN ON THE I 30 CORRIDOR. AND WE HAVE MR. DAVID EDELMAN'S, UH, 25 ACRES UNDER CONTRACT. NOW, IN REGARDS TO THAT, WHAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING, UH, WITH THE NEARBY VICINITY AND EVERYONE THERE, THEY WANT TO SEE OFFICES COME UP OVER THERE. AND NOT TOO MANY MULTIFAMILY SPEAK WITH THIS FRONT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. RIGHT. WELL, AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE SOME APARTMENTS IF IT'S ALREADY ZONED APARTMENTS THERE. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU SIR. I WANNA THANK YOU, COMMEND YOU FOR WANTING TO COME TO, UH, US FOR THIS. BUT MY CONCERN IS, UH, THE CITY, I MEAN THE, THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THE FLUE, THE FAMILY LAND USE MAP. AND THERE ARE REASONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA PROJECT THE WAY THE CITY LOOKS AND YOU'RE GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN OF WHAT WE PROJECT. AND SO THAT'S ONE THING. ANOTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS SO MUCH IN THAT VICINITY. SO CLOSE TWO RESTAURANTS, TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS, COMMERCIAL AND UH, APARTMENTS. THAT'S A LOT IN ONE LITTLE AREA, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I JUST DON'T SEE HOW ALL THIS IS GONNA WORK. AND, UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT YOU WANNA WORK WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, DEPARTMENT. YES. AND THAT GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN OF WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IS, IS A BIG NO-NO FOR ME. AND SO I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE BRING THE PROJECT DOWN TO A SMALLER SIZE OR IT'S JUST TOO BIG AND LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER COCO SAID, MAY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT RIGHT IN THAT ONE LITTLE CONCENTRATED AREA FOR ME. AND, UH, COMMERS, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, HOW MANY UNITS WAS THIS? 167. AND YOU SAID IT'S A WRAP? YES. A WRAP. OKAY. UM, NOW IF, IF YOU WOULD, WHAT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S 13 R, IF YOU WERE TO DO 13 DI MEAN, WHAT'S, HOW DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT SHRINK YOUR UNITS TO? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART. IF YOU WERE TO GO, LIKE, LIKE TOWN HOMES 13 D LIKE WHAT WOULD THAT SHRINK YOUR UNITS DO? UH, TOWN HOMES? UH, IF WE DO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING, YOU CAN'T GO OUT WITH TOWN HOMES, YOU'RE GOING EXACTLY. SO WITH TOWN HOMES, I THINK IT WOULD POSSIBLY SHRINK IT TO 50 60, PROBABLY, POSSIBLY LESS THAN THAT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE PAPER LOTS. OKAY. UM, SIR, UH, HAVE YOU DONE A MARKETING STUDY? WE HAVE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, THEY'RE LIKE A COMMISSIONER. MADDEN SAID THERE ARE QUITE A FEW APARTMENTS ALL OVER. AND UNLESS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR FOLKS COMING OUTSIDE THE STATE, I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, YOU JUST, THAT'S THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG COMMITMENT. YOU KNOW, YOU PURCHASING THE LAND AND THEN DOING ALL THAT. THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT. BUT, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE, UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR BEHALF WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT? JUST IN, UH, REGARDS TO THE MARKETS AND FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, WE DID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE AVERAGE PRI UH, RENT PER SQUARE FOOT ON THAT, UH, CAME OUT. THAT WAS IN, THIS IS BETWEEN 2021 AND 2022. THE AVERAGE RENT PER SQUARE FOOT CAME OUT TO $2 AND 32 CENTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO CREATE A MORE LUXURY OFFER FOR A CHEAPER PRICE THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD. 'CAUSE $2 AND 32 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT IS A HEFTY PRICE. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING NEAR LEGACY WEST. AND THE INCOME OVER THERE IS ABOVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE OF A, AN ACTUAL, UH, APARTMENT PER SE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW? JUST, JUST A GUESSTIMATE? IT WOULD BE BETWEEN A DOLLAR 70 AND, NO, GIVE ME THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, THE ACTUAL DOLLAR, THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF THE RENT. THE, IT WOULD BE BETWEEN, UH, 1475 AND 15 75, 13 75, AND 1575. THAT'S FOR A ONE BEDROOM. FOR A ONE BEDROOM. AND IT, IT'S A HIGH END LUXURY FINISH ON THE INSIDE. YEAH, WELL I HAVEN'T LIVED IN THE APARTMENT IN SO LONG, SO I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. UM, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER PETE. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A, A STATEMENT 'CAUSE YOU, YOU DIDN'T REALLY HELP YOUR CASE, UH, WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE LIVING IN GRAND PRAIRIE. SEVEN, SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE RENTING HOMES. UM, SO I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES, AND YOU'VE HEARD IT, THE CONCERNS IS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF OF DOING TOWN HOMES OR EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY RESIDENTIAL THERE. UM, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UM, LAYOUT, WHICH YOU HAVE LISTED HERE. UM, BUT IT JUST GOES AGAINST, UH, AGAINST THE GRAIN. AND I'M NOR NORMALLY ONE OF THE ONES WHO PUSH FOR APARTMENTS AS THEY, AS THEY WILL TELL YOU, UM, FOR DIFFERENT, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. UM, [01:05:01] I DO, JUST TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, CHAIRWOMAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, UH, THERE IS A NEED. THERE WILL CONTINUALLY BE A NEED JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW, THAT'S THE WAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS PROGRESSING RIGHT NOW FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS AND LUXURY, UH, OR NOT. UM, BUT UH, I THINK THEY'RE ALSO, AS YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE OR HAVE STATED TO YOU, UH, I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE FAMILIES. 'CAUSE NORMALLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE, THAT ARE RENTING HOUSES. UM, NOT INDIVIDUALS OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, COUPLES, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NORMALLY LOOKING AT APARTMENTS OR WHATNOT. BUT, UM, YEAH, IF I MAY, UH, SAY SOMETHING. SURE. THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT UP THE, MY EMPLOYEES IS BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING SO MUCH FOR A HOME, THEY DON'T HAVE TOO MANY FAMILY MEMBERS. AND THEY WERE TELLING ME THE REASON THEY CHOSE THE HOME IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED A HIGHER END LUXURY FINISH, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET THAT LUXURY FINISH WITHOUT PAYING A CHEAPER PRICE FOR RENTING. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S, THAT PRICE IS VERY COMMITTABLE. I I, I ALWAYS, THE EXAMPLE I GIVE ARE THE APARTMENTS, UM, THE LUXURY APARTMENTS AT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THOSE ONE BEDROOMS ARE 1800. SO I I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU ON THAT. UM, BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACING ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR, UH, APARTMENTS HERE IN, IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT MAY MAY BE AN OPTION FOR YOU, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENT. IF I MAY, WITH RESPECT, CAN I GET, UM, EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT PROPERTY? I, SIR, I BELIEVE WE JUST SAID THAT, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THERE, WE HAVE A ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS IN TOWN HOMES ALREADY. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE RESIDENTIAL AND TOWN HOMES, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, WOULD BE BETTER, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER MADDEN, I, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY ANYTHING BUT APARTMENTS PRETTY MUCH. UM, AND IF YOU COULD BUILD THESE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS SOMEPLACE THAT'S ALREADY ZONED AS APARTMENTS, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. 'CAUSE WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, AND SO I APPLAUD THAT, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT APARTMENTS. AND I, I, GO AHEAD. GO COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I WAS JUST SAY I LIKE YOUR PLAN OF THE DENSITY. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE SPOT. NO, NO, I DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS. OH, OKAY. SO I, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT HERE. WHAT I'M SAYING, I, THE IDEA OF HAVING A LITTLE ECOSYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE DEN YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY OF, OF PEOPLES TO SUPPORT THE STORES OR THE RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER MAKES TOTAL SENSE. I'M TOTALLY DOWN WITH THAT, BUT NOT IF IT'S APARTMENTS. AND THEN MADAM CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY ASK, WHILE HE'S STILL UP HERE OF EITHER TIFFANY OR RASHAD. SURE. BUT IF WE VOTED, IF WE DID NOT ACCEPT HIS, IF WE DENIED HIS REQUEST, RIGHT. DOES THAT MA PREVENT HIM FROM COMING BACK WITH A CERTAIN TIME TO LIKE COME BACK LIKE WITH A TOWN HOME PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, WHICH THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT USE MM-HMM . UM, NOW I WILL HAVE TO LEAN ON TIFFANY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUALIFYING FACTORS WE NEED TO CONSIDER. BUT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. SO IT, IT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA CONSIDER, DEPEND UPON WHAT COUNSEL DECIDES. COUNSEL CAN DENY SOMETHING WITH PREJUDICE OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE. IF THEY DENY IT WITH PREJUDICE, THEN IT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM COMING BACK WITH THE SAME PLAN FOR A YEAR. THEY CAN, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO HAVE, AS RASHAD SAID, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE. SO DEPENDING UPON WHAT COMES BACK, THE PLANNING STAFF WOULD EVALUATE AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE REPRESENTED. UM, TY, ANY CHANGE IN USE WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK. IF IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN DENSITY, UM, THAT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. WELL, AND MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE I I I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE MIGHT RECONSIDER IT TO NOT BE MULTIFAMILY, BUT MAYBE BE SOMETHING LIKE TOWN HOMES WITH THE GENERAL USE OF THE ACREAGE THAT HE'S PLANNING, SHOULD WE TRY TO TABLE IT TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO REWORK THAT AND NOT VOTE ON IT CONCLUSIVELY TONIGHT OR WHAT? WELL, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT USE. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER, PETE, JOHN, QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR GENERAL RETAIL. GENERAL RETAIL, YEAH. QUESTION JOHN. UM, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF IF, AND THIS, THIS, HE'S NOT PRESENTING THIS AT ALL? I'M SIMPLY ASKING, UM, 'CAUSE WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE, WHAT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF RETAIL WITH MULTIFAMILY ABOVE? UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT, YOU WOULD DO IT, YOU WOULD WHAT? I MEAN LIKE ON ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, LIKE YOUR, YOUR YOUR EATERIES, [01:10:01] YOUR, YOUR HIGHEND EATERIES, YOUR, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO LIKE, I THINK IT'S LIKE SOUTHLAKE SQUARE. THEY HAVE THAT TOWARD THE BACK END. THEY HAVE THE RETAIL SPACE IN THE FRONT AND ON THE BACK END THERE'S RETAIL SPACE, BUT THERE ARE, UH, MULTIFAMILY ON TOP OF THE RETAIL SPACE AS WELL. WOULD THAT SUFFICE FOR YOU OR NO? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PETE, IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL. IT IS. UM, I JUST, MAYBE I AM WRONG FOR BEING BIASED TOWARDS THE IDEA OF THINGS BEING DEEDED. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK WHEN THERE'S A DEED, I GOT, PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF OWNERSHIP IN IT. YEP. BY DEFINITION. UM, SO THAT WAS MORE, BUT IT, THAT'S NOT A BAD, YOU KNOW, WORKAROUND SOLUTION. I WAS JUST, I'M, I'M JUST NOT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY STUFF. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I WAS JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT THERE. 'CAUSE I KNOW I, AND I, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOOK THAT IS COMING ABOUT IN ABSOLUTELY QUITE A, QUITE A LOT OF WAYS WHERE IT'S A AND IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR THE MOST PART, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL, UM, MEETING THE THRESHOLD OF THE RETAIL AND, BUT ALSO NOW YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO 150 UNITS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO THAT THAT HIGH, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING UP THE SPACE ON THE BOTTOM. BUT WE ACTUALLY, IF I MAY, WE DID A VARIATION OF THAT AND IT BROUGHT THE, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY DOWN TO ABOUT 105 UNITS MULTIFAMILY. AND IT BROUGHT THE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM. WE HAD IT ON TWO FACES OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONTAGE OF, UH, BELTLINE AND ACROSS THE QSR. AND IT BROUGHT THE, UH, RETAIL PORTION TO I BELIEVE 80, 86,000 SQUARE FEET RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM. YEAH. COMMISSIONER PETE, ARE YOU OF THE MINDSET THAT WE NEED MORE MULTIFAMILY GRAND PRAIRIE? NO, NO, NO, NO. I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ANTI, UH, APARTMENTS, BUT I, I DO, UH, AND I'M NOT, I I KNOW WHAT THE FLU IS, UH, WHAT IT'S LISTED FOR AS WELL, BUT I JUST WAS THROWING SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE. I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE, THE, THE AESTHETICS OF IT. OH YEAH. AND, UM, MY QUESTION IS, AS ALWAYS, WHEN IT COMES TO RETAIL SPACES, IF WE, IF IT'S SOLELY TIED TO RETAIL, WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA COME, COME AND COME OUT THERE? RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT THE LAND TO JUST, TO JUST SIT THERE. RIGHT. 'CAUSE WHO'S GONNA COME AND, AND I'M, I KNOW HE'S, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE JUST THROWING OUT NAMES LIKE TRADER JOE'S AND, UH, WHOLE FOODS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, SO TO SPEAK. UM, IF, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO PICK YOUR BRAIN ON THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER, CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO MAKE A MOTION? I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING. I I JUST THINK THAT WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE FLU. UH, THE, THE, UH, FUTURE LAND, FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE IS A REASON THAT IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER AND WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THE CITY IN ONE PIECE TO, TO HAVE THAT, UH, THE FACADE THAT, TO HAVE THAT LOOK. AND IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT, I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT, I'M JUST SAYING I JUST HAVE CONCERN ME PERSONALLY GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN OF WHAT, UH, DRC IS RECOMMENDING. THAT, THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH IN THAT LITTLE ONE AREA. AND LIKE THE COMMISSIONER COCO SAID THAT IF WE COULD TRY TO DO SOMETHING SIMPLER, NOT SUCH HIGH DENSITY MAYBE, UH, OF HOMES AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE, UH, RETAIL OR SOMETHING. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A WHOLE LOT RIGHT IN THERE TOGETHER TO ME. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER COCO. JUST MY LAST COMMENT, UH, BECAUSE THAT AREA, IT WOULD FEED INTO POSSIBLY, I THINK IT'S, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S BONHAM ELEMENTARY AND SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS NEARBY. AND AGAIN, HOME OWNERSHIP WILL LET THE KIDS STAY IN SCHOOL AND STAY LONGER TIMES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DEPEND, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, PAYING THEIR RENT AND THEIR LEASE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THE LEASE GOES UP, THE RENT GOES UP, AND THEN THE FAMILIES HAVE TO MOVE AGAIN. SO LOOKING AT, UH, AT THE ELEMENTARY AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL NEARBY, THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF OWNING AND STAYING WITH US FOR, FOR LONG TERM. COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, THE ONLY THING I WANNA SAY IS THE, THE, SORRY. THE, THE FLUME IN THIS INSTANCE. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE FLUME. I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE TO GO AGAINST DRC RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THE FLU IN THIS INSTANCE SAYS, I THINK OPEN AND DRAINAGES AND IT'S, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. IF THEY, IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT A PARK, JUST MAKE IT A PARK. BUT IF THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IT'S OWN GENERAL RETAIL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO PUT GENERAL RETAIL THERE. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER KITCHEN, CAN WE HAVE RASHARD SPEAK TO THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THAT EITHER. TO MAKE SURE OF THE OPEN DRAINAGE THING. WELL, THAT'S PARTLY THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT NOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NOT ZONING. SO THIS HAS THE ZONING FOR GENERAL RETAIL. MM-HMM . BUT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS WOULD REQUIRE SOME RECLAMATION. SO, AND PRIOR TO WHAT THEY HAVE, I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A LITTLE, UM, SO EVEN BEFORE THAT, THAT FUTURE LANES MAP WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF [01:15:01] THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE AREA, WHICH WAS FLOODPLAIN. UH, MUCH OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN FLOODWAY, SO THAT'S WHY I GUESS IT WAS DESIGNATED AS SUCH NOW AS THEY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN FILLING IN THAT AREA, NOW THEY'RE READY TO DEVELOP. IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY, BUT I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE MORE GENERAL RETAIL AS IT'S ALREADY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL. THAT'S FINE. I I JUST THE IDEA THAT IT'S OPEN DRAINAGE, I MEAN THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A, THE DEFINITION OF A PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. FROM THAT'S THE MANY TIMES WHERE WE PUT A PARK. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME, IT'S GONNA TAKE UP SOME, A LITTLE MONEY ON THE FLOOD TO, TO GET IT UP TO SPEED FROM A FLOOD PLAN. CORRECT. THAT'S GONNA, AND AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE TACK PAYER MONEY, I'M GOOD WITH IT. . THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER. THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER. WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOANER IN PLACE AND WE'RE STARTING WITH FEMA AND THE U-S-A-C-E, SO THAT PROGRESS SHOULD COME WITHIN THE NEXT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS ON THAT PORTION. BUT WE WANT, I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE LONGER. JUST THE RE WE'VE, WE STARTED IT A YEAR AGO, SO JUST THE RECLAMATION, WE'RE GONNA GET A RESPONSE IN SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS ON THAT. PROBABLY TWO YEARS. YEAH. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSED TO DO THE, THE RECREATION ON THAT PORTION, PROVIDING A TURF SOCCER FIELD, A COUPLE OF SAND VOLLEYBALL COURTS, MAYBE SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND JUST GIVING AN ACTIVITY CENTER. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ONE, UH, MAKE, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE 1 61 AS OUR ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, SO YOU WANNA MAKE ANOTHER ENTERTAINMENT CENTER OFF OF BELT. A LITTLE PRIVATE ONE. UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY MORE DISCUSSION, ANY MORE, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'VE ASKED QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU ALL. MM-HMM . DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS? COMMISSIONER MA'AM. KO? MA'AM, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MADDEN? I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK Y'ALL, IT COMES DOWN TO THE APARTMENT PORTION. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT RETAIL'S GREAT. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FLU TILL, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, I THINK IS THE APARTMENTS RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT US ALL TO REMEMBER THAT. WELL THIS IS COMMISSIONER FICO'S AREA, SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM THE HONOR OF, UH, MAKING A MOTION. ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT MY AREA. WHO'S AREA IS IT? MADDEN? IT'S, UH, DISTRICT TWO. OH, OH. UH, COMMISSIONER MADDEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE HONOR? CERTAINLY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, ZON 23 0 2 0 0 1 0 AND I CAN DO 'EM SEPARATE. CAN WE DO IT SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER? UM, YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER, BUT YOU WANNA CALL THE, IF YOU WANNA DO 'EM TOGETHER, THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU NEED TO DO THE CPA AND THEN IT. OKAY. WHEN YOU, DID YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION? EIGHTH TO NINE? I DIDN'T SCROLL ALL THE WAY BACK. I GUESS YOU NEED, YOU. OKAY, HOLD ON. I'M LOOKING AT IT ON AN IPAD. SORRY. IT'S EIGHT. EIGHT. OKAY. EIGHT AND NINE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CPA 23 0 2, 0 0 3. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE SQUARE AT MOUNTAIN VIEW, AS WELL AS, UM, ZERO N 23 0 2 0 0 1 0 ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN, THE SQUARE AT MOUNTAIN VIEW. I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE, UM, ITEMS EIGHT CPA 23 0 2 0 0 0 3. AND ITEM ZON 2 2 3 0 2 0 0 1 0 A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MADDEN TO DENY. AND, AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COCO. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE HAND PLEASE. OKAY. MOTION. UM, THAT, ALL THOSE IN THAT, NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, THIS MOTION. OKAY. ONE. SO WE HAVE THAT'S, UH, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 TO ONE. MOTION PASSES THE DENIAL PASSES. NO MORE CASES, UH, IN THE MOTION TO MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.