[RECONVENE MEETING]
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CALLED THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
WE BEEN A MEETING SINCE FOUR 30.
HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD NUMBER OF SESSIONS ALREADY.
OUR IN CASE WILL BE LED BY PASTOR DR.
MARLOW MCGUIRE OF THE EPIC FELLOWSHIP CHURCH.
AND, UH, OUR PLEDGES WILL BE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GEORGIA CLEMSON.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
WILL YOU PRAY WITH ME? WE ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY IN THE SIGHT OF GOD THANKING YOU FOR LIFE ITSELF, FOR THE MEASURE OF HEALTH YOU HAVE AFFORDED US TO FULFILL OUR CALLINGS FOR ALL THAT ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN USEFUL WORK FOR THE HONOR OF BEARING OUR APPROPRIATE RESPONSIBILITIES ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT CITY, PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR FOR THE VARIOUS CITY OFFICIALS, AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THIS ASSEMBLED COUNCIL.
WE ACT YOUR BLESSINGS ON EACH PERSON WHO HAS BEEN CALLED TO LEAD THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.
SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN AMID THE CONFLICTING INTEREST AND ISSUES OF OUR TIMES, A CONTINUED SENSE OF EMPATHY AND ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE.
GRANT OUR CITY LEADERS A CONTINUED THIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTNESS.
PROVIDE THEM WITH CONFIDENCE IN MAKING HARD DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE RESIDENTS, SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES, AND FAITH COMMUNITIES OF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY, EVEN WHEN THERE IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT AND LEGITIMATE DIFFERENCES.
GIVE THEM PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR LIVES AND IN THEIR FAMILIES.
AND AS THEY BALANCE THE WEIGHT OF MANAGING THEIR OWN LIVES AND WHILE MAINTAINING AND FINDING JOY AND THE TASK AT HAND TODAY TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS.
I PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE US TODAY, THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THOSE WHO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN AND AROUND OUR BELOVED CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
YOU KNOW, UH, REVEREND, WE HEAR A LOT OF SERMONS, UM, WHEN PEOPLE PRAY,
UH, WE NEED TO HEAR YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS.
WOULD YOU JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE TO THE US FLAG, FOLLOWED BY THE TEXAS FLAG? MY PLEASURE, FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE CR HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
WE'RE GONNA CHECK TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR, UH, THIS ONE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.HAROLD, YOU PUT ONE UP FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FOR CONSENT AGENDA, MEGAN? YES, SIR.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MAYOR PROTE, WE'VE GOT SOME SPEAKERS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LET HER GET UP HERE AND ANNOUNCE YOU, HAROLD.
HAROLD WILLIS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX, EIGHT, AND NINE.
UH, I WANNA START WITH NUMBER SIX.
A MILLION DOLLARS FOR STREET REPAIRS.
UM, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THIS INTEGRAL HEALTH HOLDINGS IS A PRIVATE WALL STREET EQUITY FIRM.
WHY ARE WE SUBSIDIZING A PRIVATE WALL STREET EQUITY FIRM? THESE REPUBLICANS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FIXING SOME ROADS AROUND THAT HOSPITAL, NOT SUBSIDIZING THE HOSPITAL.
SO, UH, STEVE, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? YOU WE HAD THAT SAME QUESTION IN BRIEFING.
SO, HAROLD, THAT, UH, THE STREETS IN THAT AREA HAVE DETERIORATED.
WE DO HAVE A NEW OWNER OF THAT HOSPITAL, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT OFFERINGS TO BRING TO THAT MEDICAL FACILITY TO OPTIMIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE REALLY NEEDED TO IMPROVE THOSE STREETS BECAUSE THOSE STREETS WERE NOT MEETING THE, THE LEVEL, THE LEVEL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SOUGHT.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT OUT OF OUR TURS FUNDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BACK INTO THAT AREA FOR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS JUST AS THIS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THOSE FUNDS CAN'T BE SPENT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
IT'S FUNDS GENERATED JUST FOR THAT TURS GROUP.
AND THIS WENT TO THE TURS BOARD, WHICH WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
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MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT ARE ON THAT TOURS BOARD, AND THEY APPROVED THIS EXPENDITURE THAT NEEDS OUR APPROVAL OF I, SO I GUESS IF IT WERE BEING SPENT ON A TOURISM CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, NO, NOT A TOURISM TSTS.HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TOURISM.
MY HEARING TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE, UH OKAY.
ADDITIONAL AVALOR TAXES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THAT AREA GO BACK TO SUPPORT THAT AREA IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
SO WE'RE REALLY LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS FOR.
THIS WAS THE PERFECT USE AND THAT ALLEVIATED IT COMING OUT OF OUR CIP OR GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO FIX THOSE DOESN'T TOUCH UP BUDGET.
WE HAD THREE TURS IN THE CITY, TURS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
WE HAVE COMPLETED DEPLETED ALL THE FUNDS FROM TURS TWO AND THAT TURS TWO IS NO LONGER, BUT WE STILL HAVE A TURS THREE OUT SOUTH, I BELIEVE.
AND IT GENERATES ITS OWN MONEY TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS.
I GUESS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE HOSPITAL THAT, SO THIS IS THE HOSPITAL THAT WAS ON 60 MINUTES IN MARCH OF 85 ON THE BILLFOLD BIOPSY.
SO MANY ATTEMPTS HAD BEEN MADE TO RESTART THAT HOSPITAL AND IT'S FAILED EVERY TIME.
WE HAD A FRIEND WHO HAD LAP BAND SURGERY OUT THERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS ONE NURSE FOR 10 PATIENTS.
WE COULD USE TOURISM BECAUSE STANLEY KUBERT COULD HAVE MADE THE SHINING PART TWO OUT THERE.
IT WAS SCARY IN THAT BUILDING.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY APPROACHES AND I THOUGHT WE SOLD THE HOSPITAL.
I ASSURE EVERYBODY HERE THAT'S NOT OUR HOSPITAL.
WE DON'T HAVE AN INVESTMENT, NOT HOSPITAL, BUT THESE FUNDS TONIGHT ARE BEING AUTHORIZED TO FIX SOME STREETS AROUND THAT HOSPITAL THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.
WHETHER THE HOSPITAL IS UP AND RUNNING OR NOT, THEY'RE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
WELL, SO WAS WESTCHESTER BETWEEN CARRIER WESTCHESTER DOESN'T HAVE A TURS AND IF THIS MONEY COULD BE SPENT ON WESTCHESTER, WE MAY DO THAT.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE STREETS BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THAT HEALTHCARE FACILITY, HOW MANY TIMES IT HAS FAILED.
AND I DON'T TRUST PRIVATE EQUITY INVESTORS FROM WALL STREET THAT THEY DON'T BLEND IN HEALTHCARE.
UM, THE SPECTRUM, THIS LAWSUIT, WHAT ARE WE PAYING OUT ON THIS LAWSUIT? WE'RE NOT PAYING OUT, WE'RE SETTLING.
UM, THE CITY ACTUALLY SUITS SPECTRUM INSTEAD OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
FOR OVER A DISPUTE ON HOW OUR FRANCHISE FEES ARE CALCULATED AND WE'RE GETTING NOT MUCH.
WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET $200,000 SPREAD OVER 10 YEARS.
THE WE'RE SETTLING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS, ALONG WITH 28 OTHER CITIES.
UH, WE GET A FOURTH OF THE DEAL.
WE STILL GET $800,000 A YEAR FROM THEM.
THIS WAS A LAWSUIT THAT A NUMBER OF CITIES ENTERED INTO.
SO WE ARE VOTING TONIGHT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE 28 CITIES.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, THE OTHER 28 CITIES WILL BE MAKING MOTIONS THIS SAME MONTH.
PRETTY MUCH ALL OF WILL PROBABLY ACCEPT THE SETTLEMENT AND GET ON DOWN THE ROAD.
JUST AS A CONSUMER OF SPECTRUM, THAT SINCE THERE'S NO PUBLIC UTILITY OVERSIGHT ANY LONGER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, THEY'RE NOT INVESTING IN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE SPECTRUM IS NO FRIEND OF THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ISSUE THERE.
ON NUMBER NINE RIGHT HERE, THE CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, PLEASE.
WE BOUGHT CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LAKES TO PROVIDE US A MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPING THAT AREA.
UH, WE DON'T NEED TO DEMOLISH IT YET.
SO WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO STAY A LITTLE LONGER.
WE'RE BASICALLY WAITING ON THE MASTER PLAN FROM THE LAKES, BUT ALSO WE DON'T WANNA GET GOING ON IT UNTIL WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN AND COMPLETION OF THE HIGHWAY 180 GIVE BACK PROGRAM TO REDUCE HIGHWAY 180 FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP NEW THINGS ALONG MAIN STREET.
AND THEN AFTER WE OPEN 'EM UP, HAVE MAIN STREET TORN UP.
SO THIS IS ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
WE FELT LIKE IT WOULD NOT HURT OUR TIMELINE TO EXTEND THEIR LEASE.
WE'RE JUST ALLOWING THEM TO STAY THERE A LITTLE LONGER UNTIL WE NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE, IT SAYS CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
THERE ARE NEW LOCATION OUT AT PARK HILL PARK ON THAT LAND THAT I THINK IS OWNED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.
IT SAYS CALVARY WORSHIP CENTER.
IT, IT'S BEEN SOLD TO CALVARY.
UH, THE, THE SCHOOL SOLD THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THEM AND THEY'RE MOVING OUT THERE.
WE WILL NOT, WHETHER WE WAIT FOR THEM TO BUILD THE BUILDING IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LEASE.
WE ARE GONNA MOVE THEM OUT OF THE BUILDING HERE WHEN WE NEED IT.
THEY MAY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BEFORE THAT BUILDING'S BUILT.
BUT THEY OWN THE LAND OUT THERE ALREADY.
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CLOSED MONTHS AGO.WHAT, WHAT DID WE PAY? CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH FOUNDATION.
THAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
I WE PRAY WE PAID THE APPRAISED VALUE SOMETHING.
WHAT WAS IT? IT THE APPRAISED AT 5.2 MILLION AND WE PAID, UH, JUST UNDER 5 MILLION FOR IT.
SO MY PROBLEM IS UP HERE, IT'S CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH GIVING THEM $5 MILLION.
THEY'VE STOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GRAND PRAIRIE FROM SIX FLAGS MILE TO LIQUOR BY THE DRINK TO LONE STAR PARK TO SELLING BEER AND WINE IN THE GROCERY STORES.
THEY HAVE STOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
AND NOW THEY'RE MOVING TO GO OUT SOUTH AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES CALVARY WORSHIP CENTER.
THEY'VE DROPPED THE WORD BAPTIST OFF OF THEM.
SO THAT'S FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW, IN PUBLIC RECORD.
WHAT DID THE, THOSE OF US WHO PAY TAXES TO THE GRAND PRIX SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHAT DID THEY PAY FOR THAT LAND? IT'S NOT, THAT'S FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT.
I COULD RESEARCH IT 'CAUSE IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
WELL, AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, MAYOR, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO EXCHANGE THIS INFORMATION.
IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD ON THE SCHOOL.
I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THE SCHOOL BOARD'S MINUTES.
YOU CAN GO DO THAT OR GO TO THEIR MEETING.
I HOPE THERE'S FORTHCOMING WITH YOU.
YOU ASKED WHAT WE PAID FOR CALVARY.
LET'S SEE IF YOU ASKED THEM WHAT THEY PAID, WHAT THEY SOLD THAT FAR.
AND THEY, THEY GIVE YOU AS QUICK AN ANSWER AS WE DID.
OH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW ELECTIONS GOING ON ON THAT SCHOOL BOARD.
I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL WANT TO TALK.
OH, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING TO HIDE.
IF I KNEW THE FIGURE, I'D GET IT TO YOU.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY SOLD IT FOR.
JUST IT WAS A MATTER OF IT WAS A VOTE ON, I'M SURE IT WAS A VOTE ON ONE OF THEIR AGENDAS TO BUY IT.
IT'S EASY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THEY PAID FOR IT.
IT'S JUST NOT ANYTHING THAT WE COVERED HERE.
JUST UNDERSTAND, GROWING UP IN THIS CITY ALL OF MY LIFE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO CHALLENGE AND QUESTION.
OH, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT MY GOODNESS.
YOU'RE ASKING WHY A COW, A BAPTIST CHURCH WAS UP AGAINST A LIQUOR BY THE DRINK.
MY DADDY VOTED WOULD WANT ME TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
WHAT ELSE ARE THE MAYOR PRO TIM HUMPHREYS.
LET'S GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE FULL AGENDA WAS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, GPTX.ORG.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, ON THE FRONT DOOR, FRONT STEPS OF CITY HALL, UH, BY LAW.
THREE DAYS IN, THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY WANT TO VIEW IT IN THE AGENDA IN MORE DETAIL, UM, YOU CAN SPEAK UP FIVE MINUTES ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.
UM, BUT THESE FIRST ITEMS ARE ROUGH.
UH, HOUSEKEEPING, MORE OR LESS.
SO I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE THROUGH 13 ON ITEM NINE.
THE LEASE SAYS JUNE 30TH, 2022.
WE HAVE A MOTION SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DEPUTY MAYOR PROTE LOPEZ.
[14. Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Seek and Distribute State Funds Pursuant to the Texas Event Trust Fund Relating to and Supporting Efforts to Promote Economic Development by Hosting Major Sporting or Athletic Events]
14.UH, MARTY, IF YOU COULD COME DOWN AND PULL UP THE
THIS IS THE, UM, THE CRICUT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
IT WAS ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, UH, FOR PASSAGE.
AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS, UH, ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
ONE IS REQUIRES A SPECIAL LEGISLATION AND THE OTHER DOESN'T.
BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
IT, IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM STATE SALES TAX DOLLARS FOR THESE TYPES OF MAJOR EVENTS WHERE THERE'S A COMPETITION TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S IN TEXAS OR IN ANOTHER STATE.
SO, UH, THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DESCRIBING IT IS IF YOU'RE HAVING A HOUSE PARTY, THE STATE'S GONNA THROW IN SOME MONEY FOR SOME PIZZA.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
WE'RE, WE'LL BE GETTING SOME MONEY BACK TO REIMBURSE US FOR SOME.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO ADD ANYTHING, MARTY.
UH, WELL, IF YOU WANT IT, WE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL.
I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH IT, AREN'T WE, FOLKS? OKAY.
THE STATE GAVE US A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN BREEDERS CUP CAME HERE IN 2004.
HEY, MARTY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
AS FAR AS, UM, SPONSORING THIS, THIS EFFORT, PUSHING THIS EFFORT FORWARD, BOTH CHAMBER, SENATE AND HOUSE, OR? YES.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S SENATOR ROYCE WEST WHO'S KIND OF CARRIED IT CORRECT AND IS BRING BRINGING IT FORWARD.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN, UH, GREAT SUPPORT THUS FAR.
UH, I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND TOO MUCH OPPORT.
WELL, YOU'RE DOWN THERE TOMORROW.
THE NICE THING IS OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT AND USED IT.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS JUST LIKE, WHAT? IT'S FAIRLY COMMON WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
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MY PLEASURE.I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ITEM 14 AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUMPHREYS.
SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIMM JOHN LOPEZ.
[Items 15 & 16]
I RECOGNIZE MAYOR PRO TIMM COLE HUMPHREYS THE TABLE.COUPLE ITEMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I MOVE THE TABLING OF ITEMS 15 AND 16 TO BE CONSIDERED AT A LATER DATE.
[17. SUP-22-10-0042 - Specific Use Permit - Convenience Store at 1033 SW 3rd St. (City Council District 5). Specific Use Permit for a Convenience Store without Gasoline Sales on 0.27 acres. Lots 1 and 2, Block D, Grand Prairie Estates, City of Grand Prairie, Dallas County, Texas, zoned GR district and addressed as 1033 SW 3rd Street (On January 9, 2023, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval by a vote of 9-0)]
YOUR TURN.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS NEXT ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM A COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT GASOLINE SALES.
IT'S LOCATED AT 10 33 SOUTHWEST THIRD STREET FOLLOWING THE FEBRUARY 7TH MEETING.
UH, WHEN COUNCIL TABLED THIS ITEM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND EXHIBITS THAT EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS GO ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA REPAIR THE EXISTING ASPHALT SURFACE OF THE PARKING LOT, RETRIP THE PARKING LOT, AND FIRE LANE IMPROVE SIDEWALKS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE GONNA ADD NEW CURB CUTS FOR A DA ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK, AND THEY WILL BE INSTALLING A NEW DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, THERE'S NOT ONE OUT THERE TODAY.
THEY'RE PLANTING TWO NEW TREES AND SOME SHRUBS AS SHOWN ON THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS ON TWO FACADES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO IMAGES ON THE SCREEN, THE IMAGE ON THE TOP IS THE EXISTING BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WINDOWS ARE, ARE FAIRLY, UH, NARROW AND THEY WERE, WILL BE REPLACING THEM.
UH, THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PAINT THE EXISTING CANOPY AND THEN CLEAN THE SURFACE OF THE BUILDING AND PAINT THAT BUILDING.
UH, I CAN WALK THROUGH, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE LAST MEETING OR ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
WELL, IT CERTAINLY GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, AND IT DOES LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT DOES NOW.
REBECCA AND I DROVE BY IT THE OTHER DAY.
I THINK MY MAMA WENT THERE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO TO GET HER HAIR DONE.
UM, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS.
WELL, UM, DIANE KEBO, I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, MR. UH, SHIVA KAPPA CAME TO ME, UH, ABOUT BUYING THE BUILDING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO ME, HE, HE IS IN A CONVENIENCE STORE JUST DOWN THE STREET.
IT'S, UM, HE WAS RENTING THAT AND HE TOLD ME HE WANTED TO PURCHASE MY BUILDING SO THAT HE COULD UPGRADE HIS BUILDING, UPGRADE HIS BUSINESS, BECAUSE HE LIKES THE COMMUNITY.
HE'S, UM, HE WANTS TO MAKE IT A LOT BETTER THERE.
SO HE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR HIM TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
AND HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ALREADY BEFORE HE IS EVEN STARTED.
SO I APPRECIATE WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.
COLE, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT IS AN UPGRADE FROM WHAT'S DOWN THE STREET WHEN HE MOVES OUT OF THE OTHER BUILDING.
SO THE CURRENT CONVENIENCE STORE THAT HE OPERATES OUT OF, IF HE'S A RENTER AND IF HE ENDS HIS LEASE, THAT THE USE ON THAT BUILDING WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS.
DO WE KNOW THAT? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT MAYBE.
SO THE USE IS CONSIDERING LEGAL NON-CONFORMING SINCE WE, UH, REQUIRE AN CP NOW WE'RE TALK ABOUT WHERE HE'S AT NOW.
SO IF THE BUSINESS ENDS AND, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE OPENS UP FIVE DAYS LATER, UH, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO IN.
THERE'S A SIX MONTH WINDOW THAT THEY CAN DO IT.
THAT IF IT'S LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS.
MAYOR WITHOUT, I MEAN, WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THAT USE CAN END, I'M NOT READY TO ADD ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE TO THAT LOCATION BECAUSE HE MOVES OUT AND ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE MOVES, MOVES IN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT COLD BOY THIS YEAR IS AN UPGRADE AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER AVENUES WE CAN USE TO GET THOSE OTHER ONES UPDATED.
I, I MAY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE.
I HAVE TO REPRESENT MY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'VE RECEIVED PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT SAYS, NO WAY.
THERE'S NO OTHER, SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ALREADY READY.
I, I MOTION TO DENY ITEM 17 AS PRESENTED.
MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND THAT ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
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MAY I MAKE A MOTION HERE TO APPROVE ITEM 17 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.[Items 18 & 19]
ITEM 18.ALRIGHT, THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED, SO I'LL COVER THEM IN A SINGLE PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST COMPONENT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM MIXED USE, WHICH IS SHOWN AS BLUE ON THE MAP AND OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, WHICH IS SHOWN AS GREEN ON THE MAP.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE.
SO THE SITE IS ABOUT 42 ACRES AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT 28, WHICH ALLOWS APARTMENTS BY RIGHT AND PD 2 94 B, WHICH IS FOR GENERAL RETAIL USES.
ON FEBRUARY 17TH, OR EXCUSE ME, FEBRUARY 27TH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO STAFF'S UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST BECAUSE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WE DO NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED PER THE EXISTING ZONING.
AND AS A NOTE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NOT THE, THE PROPERTY ZONING, IT'S THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PER THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR THE FIRST COMPONENT.
UH, THE SECOND COMPONENT IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR 320 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
AND THEIR CONCEPT PLAN ALSO DEPICTS A HOTEL AND RESTAURANT.
AGAIN, THE CURRENT ZONING PD 28 ALLOWS APARTMENTS.
THE PD 2 94 B IS FOR GENERAL RETAIL.
ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED ZONING, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.
UH, YOU CAN NOTE THAT, UH, WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, THE ZONING IN PLACE TODAY, UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CONSTRUCT UP TO 397 UNITS MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
UH, THEIR PROPOSED ZONING IS, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY, THEIR CONCEPT PLAN DEPICTS 320 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
AND ONE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, WHICH THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO, IS TO CAP THAT AT 320 SO THAT IF A FUTURE DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY CANNOT ADD MORE UNITS.
UM, THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE PORTION ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE MULTIFAMILY.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS THE HOTEL.
AND THE RESTAURANT ON THE SCREEN IS AN ANALYSIS OF THE MULTIFAMILY DENSITY DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A FEW VARIANCES.
THE FIRST IS TO THE FRONT YARD, UH, SETBACK ON THE STREETS.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING FIVE FEET ALONG ROBINSON AND 10 FEET ALONG 1 61.
AND THEN, UH, MINIMUM INTERNAL 10 FEET SIDE, UH, EXCUSE ME, SIDES AT BACK, UH, FOR 10 FEET.
UH, THEN THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, NO FENCE.
UH, WE DO REQUIRE THAT APARTMENTS HAVE A FENCE.
UH, ALL OF OUR CON UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO.
I WANNA NOTE, UH, THE PROPOSED SETBACK ALONG ROBINSON ROAD.
IF YOU NOTE HOW THE PROPERTY LINE JOGS IN A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THAT IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THAT SETBACKS DECREASED.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, WOULD PUT THE BUILDINGS IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THAT STREET.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING, UH, THREE VARIANCES ORIGINALLY.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE HOTEL ALLOWED BY RIGHT? CURRENTLY A HOTEL REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN LET, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
WE'VE PUT IN THAT HOTEL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SO WE DON'T GET A LOT OF CERTAIN TYPES OF HOTELS TO BE KIND OF NICE ABOUT IT.
WHAT, WHAT DOES GIVE, WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE? IF WE JUST GIVE THEM, WHAT CAN THEY BUILD THERE? IF THE HOTEL'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE SPACING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES THE STR CHAIN SCALE.
AND IF IT'S A, SO THEY COULDN'T BUILD A CERTAIN QUA QUANTITY OF WITHIN THE SAME AREA.
AND THERE'S CERTAIN CLASSES THAT WE CAN DENY.
AND REQUIRING THE SUP GIVES COUNSEL ADDITIONAL DISCRETION THAT IS NOT ALLOWED WITH A SITE PLAN, WHICH IS AN, BUT I THOUGHT THEY'RE REQUIRING, THEY'RE ASKING THAT IT DOESN'T NEED AN SUP.
THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAVE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
STAFF SAYING, LET'S GO WITH WHAT THE UDC REQUIRES.
AND THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING KEEP WHAT WE'VE GOT.
AND SO THIS, I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY NO.
UH, AND THEN THE SETBACKS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, NOT THAT I WILL, I JUST WON BILL
DON'T DON'T EVERYBODY OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA SAY NO TO ANY HOTEL FOLKS.
WHAT WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD CATEGORIES AND WE, WE DON'T, UH, WE LIMIT HOW MANY OF THE CERTAIN TIER ONES CAN GO.
WE'LL TAKE A TOP TIER, UH, MARY JW MARRIOTT CAN BUILD
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NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER ALL OVER THE CITY.BUT ANOTHER ONE AT THE BOTTOM END, WE LIMIT HOW MANY UNDERSTAND AND, AND HOW CLOSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME INTERRUPT YOU.
UH, THEN THE THIRD VARIANCE IS THE PERIMETER FENCE.
AGAIN, WE REQUIRE THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE A PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE PROJECT.
UH, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY REQUESTING NO PERIMETER FENCE, BUT HAVE SINCE SAID THEY'RE AMENABLE TO ALL OF STAFF'S CONDITIONS.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME WRITTEN OPPOSITION.
AND THE MAP ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THOSE LOCATIONS IN BLUE.
WHERE'S THE OTHER ONE? OH, WAY OVER HERE.
IS THAT YOU DEBBIE? IS THAT YOU? DEBBIE.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR HOUSE ON FEBRUARY 27TH.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING CON MISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH STAFF CONDITIONS BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.
UH, SO STAFF'S UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOTE THAT MULTIFAMILY IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED PER THE EXISTING ZONING.
UH, SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, THE MULTIFAMILY, THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS SHALL NOT EXCEED 320.
THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL PROVIDE THE REQUIRED PERIMETER FENCING.
UH, THE DEVELOPER SHALL OBTAIN APPROVAL FROM FRANCHISE UTILITIES AGREEING TO THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK ALONG ROBINSON ROAD AND 10 FOOT SETBACK ALONG 1 61.
THE DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION OF THE AGREEMENT TO CITY STAFF PRIOR TO APPLYING FOR A SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THE HOTEL SHALL REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS, IS WILLING TO MEET ALL FOUR OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
WHAT CAN GO THERE IF WE DO NOTHING? APARTMENTS.
SO THE, WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, WE, WE DENY TONIGHT THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN DO APARTMENTS, THEY CAN DO, UH, THE ZONING ALLOWS GENERAL RETAIL USES SITE CONDITIONS WOULD MAKE THAT VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP.
BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULDN'T PUT A HOTEL IN THERE.
ANY, THEY CAN PUT A HOTEL IN THERE JUST AS EASY AS THEY COULD.
NOW THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR SUP PROCESS.
UM, AND THEY COULD BUILD MULTIFAMILY, ALMOST 400 UNITS ON THAT SITE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRADING OUT.
WE HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND, THEN WE HAVE SOME SPEAKER CARDS, BUT LET'S ASK HER ALL THE QUESTIONS WE NEED FIRST.
SAVANNAH, WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE VARIANCES PLEASE? YES, SIR.
SO THEY'RE NO LONGER ASKING FOR ANY OF THESE.
THEY ARE REQUESTING THE VARIANCES FOR THE SETBACK.
SO THEY'RE STILL REQUESTING NUMBER TWO.
UM, SO SHOOT ME BACK OVER TO, TO, TO THAT AREA MAP THAT GO, GO BACK RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS ISN'T THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING MIGHT COULD HAPPEN.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH WITH A SITE PLAN, WOULD CHECK TO MAKE SURE IT'S GENERALLY COMPLIANCE WITH THIS, BUT GET MUCH MORE INTO THE DETAILS.
SO WHAT ALL, ARE THEY FENCING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 20 OR JUST WHERE THEIR MULTIFAMILY IS? I HAVE NOT SEEN A FENCING PLAN.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD FENCE JUST AROUND THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT.
AND WHAT TYPE OF FENCING DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IT WOULD REQUIRE WROUGHT IRON WITH MASONRY COLUMNS ALONG ROBINSON ROAD.
UH, THE REMAINDER COULD BE FENCE PORT ON BAR.
SO SOUTH OF THEIR MULTI-FAMILY.
IT COULD JUST BE WOODEN FENCE.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT FENCE TO LOOK THE SAME THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE PROPERTY.
IF THE DEVELOPER IS HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEIR SOUTHERN FENCE.
AND THEN, UH, THEY'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
Y'ALL ADDRESS IT WHEN YOU COME UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO, TIM LOPEZ.
GO BACK TO THE USAGE OR THE, THAT ONE THERE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 94 GENERAL RETAIL FOR MULTIFAMILY? ANY DIFFERENCE? OR DO THEY CARRY THE SAME WEIGHT? SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TWO SLIDES OR THIS? CORRECT.
SO CURRENTLY ON THE EXISTING ZONING THERE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT CAN YOU BUILD MULTIFAMILY WISE ON THAT SITE? SO THERE WOULD BE NO, CURRENTLY NO MULTIFAMILY COULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE BLUE AREA.
SO TECHNICALLY SAY THEY COULD DO THE 397 UNITS JUST IN THE YELLOW.
WE DENY THE REQUEST BY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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I THINKING, AM I CORRECT? THAT CORRECT.AND, AND I WILL POINT OUT THERE'S SOME SITE CONSTRAINTS AND THEIR PRESENTATION TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE'S FLOODWAY AND FLOODPLAIN THROUGH THIS CENTER.
THERE'S AN EXISTING GAS WELL, SO IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO UP TO THAT NUMBER POSSIBLE TO KEEP IT POSSIBLE.
NOT, NOT, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT POSSIBLE.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.
I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.
UM, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON THE SAME QUESTIONS AS MAYOR FOLLOWING UP ON THE SAME QUESTIONS AS MAYOR PORT TEM.
UM, SO THIS 397 UNITS ON ONLY HALF OF THIS PLOT WOULD BE REALLY DENSE.
BUT WITH THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, IF THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD TO WORK THAT OUT, IT LIKELY WOULDN'T BE 397 UNITS AS WE JUST STATED.
I MEAN, UNLESS IT THEY BUILT PRETTY TALL.
THAT'S HOW TALL, HOW TALL CAN THEY GO WITHOUT ASKING US FOR APPROVED? COULD THEY GO FOUR STORY? YES, SIR.
WITHOUT RIGHT NOW, THEY COULD BUILD FOUR STORY ON THAT PD 28.
YOU THINK SO? AND THEIR, THEIR PRESENTATION DOES INCLUDE A WHAT IF SCENARIO IF WE DEVELOPED IT UNDER THE, THEY MAY NOT GET 3 97, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GET CLOSE.
WELL, YEAH, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
UH, THE APARTMENTS ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
UH, BUT I'M JUST THINKING THE 320 IS MORE SPREAD OUT.
THE 3 97 WOULD BE MORE DENSE, BUT MAYBE THEY COULD OR COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH IT.
I'LL WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, I I REALLY HAD A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION.
I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF THINKING THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, IT, UH, YOU AND I SPENT AN HOUR YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE ABOUT MULTIFAMILIES, BUT THIS ALREADY HAS MF ZONING, SO IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RECITAL.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAP OVER HERE, YOU STATED THAT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, IT WOULD BE QUITE DIFFICULT FOR A RETAIL DEVELOPER TO COME AND PUT UP SOME SHOPS THERE.
WHY? EXACTLY? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BAHAMA BUCKS THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE NORTH OF THE GR YEAH.
PART PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH ACCESS.
UH, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS IS WHERE THE IKEA SIGN IS, UH, TO GET ACCESS TO THIS SITE.
THEY'VE GOTTA USE A, A DRIVEWAY WHERE THE BAHAMA BUCKS DEVELOPMENT IS.
SO, UH, THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF GETTING ACCESS TO THIS SITE ALONG 1 61.
BUT COULD THEY COME OFF? I GUESS THEY COULDN'T COME OFF FORUM EITHER.
MAYBE ROBINSON DESK AT, AT THAT.
ROBINSON GONNA TRYING TO GET ON 20.
COULDN'T YOU COULD, COULD YOU NOT DO SOMETHING OFF OF ROBINSON? EITHER WAY? I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY STAYED WITH THE CURRENT CURRENT ZONING, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO GIVE THEM ACCESS OFF OF ROBINSON INTO THE APARTMENTS.
THE REASON I ASK THIS QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 1 61 BEING THERE, IT'S A VERY LARGE HOTSPOT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND I FEAR THAT IF WE GIVE THIS APARTMENT DEVELOPER 95% OF THIS, UM, THIS LAND MM-HMM
WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUT ON SOME POSSIBILITIES FOR OTHER REALLY NICE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS ALONG 1 61.
UM, GOT ANYTHING ELSE, JUNIOR? THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTION.
WHAT WAS LIKE DIFFICULT ABOUT DEVELOPING? WELL, REMEMBER THAT WHEN HE IS SHOWING US LAYOUT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, UH, UH, WALTERS REPLACEMENTS HERE.
BUT, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BECAUSE, UH, THE OF LAKERIDGE PARKWAY MM-HMM.
THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME APARTMENTS.
SOME PEOPLE ABOUT TO MOVE IN THERE NOW.
WANNA PULL SOME DOWN SOUTH THERE IN WHAT THE BEST I CAN RECALL TO GET OUT OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF QT, YOU HAD TO GO DOWN ROBINSON THEN COME BACK AROUND AGAIN.
SO WE ARE ONLY CREATING MORE BOTTLENECKS IN THAT ONE AREA.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT IT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A IMPACT ON TRA TRAFFIC IN WHICH WE KNOW IT'S ALREADY A HUGE IMPACT IN THE PARKING.
WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC, WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC TO WHERE WE COULD DENY IT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
BUT I'M JUST PEOPLE THAT THE DEVELOPER TO UNDERSTAND.
IT IS ALREADY IN THE MORNING AND IN THE EVENING TIMES IF WE GET OFF WORK, IT'S, IT'S BOTTLENECK.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE DILEMMAS WE HAVE FOLKS OUT THERE.
IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DENY ZONING WHEN IT'S ALREADY ZONE MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC.
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ON THE FRONTAGE OF I LAKE RED RASHAD'S SHAKING HIS HEAD.OH, WE THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WHEN YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT DID IT REALLY SAY? I THINK THE APPLICANT, WHEN THEY COME UP, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT THE APPLICANT DOES THE STUDY.
WE DON'T, WE JUST, WE REVIEW THEM, WE MAKE THEM DO THE STUDIES.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH A DOES IT FOR US WHEN WE NEED IT FOR US
BECAUSE WE PAY HIM TO DO IT, BUT WE DON'T DO IT FOR THEM.
THEY HAVE TO HIRE THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO DO IT.
YOU GOOD UNTIL LATER? MM-HMM
UH, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCILMAN NUS CONCERNS BECAUSE I AGREE THAT THAT IS SOME VALUABLE GENERAL RETAIL TO GIVE UP.
UH, BUT I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW, AND IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE DID THE MULTIFAMILY OR TOWN HOMES JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 61 ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 61 BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DO RETAIL BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT WHEN WE PUT IN THE MORATORIUM AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE I KNEW FOR SURE THAT YOU COULD NOT DO RETAIL RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE HE'S DOING THE TRIBECA RIGHT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD.
YEAH, YOU LOOK AT 1 61 AND I 20, YOU'RE THINKING THAT'S GREAT GENERAL RETAIL, BUT FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT, THOSE ARE ALL ELEVATED FLYOVERS RIGHT THERE.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET 'EM IN THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO CARVE OUT SOME GENERAL RETAIL, UH, ALONG ROBERTSON ROAD.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
I HAVE A QUICK SLIDE WE'LL RUN THROUGH AND GIVE FURTHER COMMENTS.
I JUST WANNA SAY I'M NOT BERNIE
HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, I'M ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND, UH, SAVANNAH, THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE BRIEFING, UH, TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.
JUST WANT TO KIND OF, UH, RUN THROUGH A COUPLE SLIDES WITH YOU GUYS, GIVE YOU SOME MORE CONTEXT ON WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE.
UH, LIKE SAVANNAH SAID, THIS IS OFF CORNER OF I 20, UH, 1 61 OFF ROBINSON ROAD.
AND WHAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE IS WE THINK IT REALLY PLAYS INTO A LOT OF THE GREAT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ALONG THE SPINE OF 1 61.
UH, I HEARD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EPIC, UH, DURING THE, UH, BRIEFING TODAY.
WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE TO THE NORTH OF US AND WE THINK THAT THIS MULTIFAMILY AND LATER ON HOTEL AND RESTAURANT PIECE WOULD REALLY PLAY WELL, UH, WITH THOSE, UM, CURRENT AND, YOU KNOW, NEW AND, AND UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, UM, LIKE WE SAID, THERE'S A SPLIT ZONED APARTMENTS ARE ALLOWED ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE, NOT ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, AND WE'RE REQUESTING TO KIND OF REORIENT WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, UH, WOULD BE ALLOWED IN HERE.
I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING, UM, THE EXISTING DENSITY.
AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I THINK, UM, WAS RECEPTIVE WHEN WE TALKED WITH, UM, UH, NEIGHBORS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, UH, SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY IS WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE DENSITY WITH, UH, WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF SCENARIO, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY DO MAX OUT THE, UH, EXISTING 18 UNITS PER ACRE AND DO A MORE DENSE, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DEVELOP THIS SITE.
UH, AND WE HAVE A, A DIFFERENT PLAN TO KIND OF, UM, HAVE A MORE ATTRACTIVE, ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT IN OUR MIND FOR, UH, THE CITY ITSELF AS WELL AS FUTURE RESIDENTS AND THE NEEDS THAT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN MULTIFAMILY IN TODAY'S MARKET.
UM, SO LIKE, AGAIN, HERE'S THE, UH, OVERALL SITE PLAN.
SO WE'RE REALLY SHIFTING THAT MULTIFAMILY TO COVER THE NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE, LEAVING, UH, A LOT OF THE SITE, UM, WITH THE EXISTING TREES AND, AND, UH, TREE CANOPY THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY, WE'D BE SAVING ABOUT, UH, THIS, IT'D STILL BE ABOUT 60%, UM, YOU KNOW, DENSE CANOPY THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.
AND THEN THE HOTEL AND RESTAURANT PIECE TO THE SOUTH WOULD BECOME ONLINE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, UH, IN THE PROJECT LIFETIME.
SO I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HIGHLY AMENITIZED, UH, MARKET RATE LUXURY APARTMENT DEAL.
FOUR STORIES, UH, MAX 320 UNITS ALL THE TIME.
ALL THE STANDARD AMENITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, APARTMENTS IN TODAY'S MARKET.
WE'RE ALSO TARGETING KIND OF, UH, TWO DEMOGRAPHICS.
ONE WOULD BE, UM, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND THEN TWO WOULD BE A LOCK AND LEAVE SENIORS THAT DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH A MORTGAGE ANYMORE THAT
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ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A RENTAL, UM, PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE ALL THESE NICE AMENITIES AND BE CLOSER TO TO, TO RETAIL THAT'S EXISTING AND, UH, FUTURE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES JUST TO THE NORTH OF THEM.UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A A, A NICE MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SPREAD OUT THAT REALLY PLAYS INTO THE EXISTING, UM, FOREST AREA THAT'S, THAT'S AROUND THERE AND, AND KIND OF GETS AROUND THAT EXISTING GAS PAD THAT'S A VERY UNATTRACTIVE, UH, PIECE TO A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, BUT WE'VE FOUND A WAY TO KIND OF SEPARATE THAT OUT SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, VERY VISIBLE OR, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LIVING HERE WOULD NOTICE IT MUCH.
ALSO HAVE A NICE BARK PARK, UH, LOCATED A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXCESS, UH, OPEN SPACE.
HERE'S A, A COUPLE ELEVATIONS, PARTICULAR ONES LOOKING OFF OF ROBINSON ROAD INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
AND I'LL KIND OF JUST FLIP THROUGH HERE, UM, TO SHOW THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE SEE THIS AS MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT WAS WELL RECEIVED, UM, DURING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WE HAD THAT, UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF STILL A FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT, BUT WE DO HAVE KIND OF MORE OF THAT, UH, CLASSIC RESIDENTIAL LOOK AND FEEL TO IT.
SO JUST A COUPLE MORE, UH, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, UH, FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
UH, THE SECOND COMPONENT OF THIS IS THE HOTEL AND, UH, RESTAURANT TRACTED.
SO WE'D BE PROPOSING A, UM, HOTEL, UH, ABOUT A FOUR TO SIX STORY HOTEL.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THE SUP COMPONENT SO IT CAN COME BACK TO YOU ALL, UH, AT A LATER DATE WHEN WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, A, A SPECIFIC USER WE'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH, UM, A COUPLE BUT HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING NAILED DOWN, UH, SPECIFICALLY.
AND WE FEEL LIKE THE HOTEL WOULD REALLY COME ONLINE ONCE YOU HAVE MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES THERE TOO.
UH, I THINK I'M RUNNING LOW ON TIME, SO I DID WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PEGGED FOR MIXED USE ON THE AREA.
WE'RE DOING MULTIFAMILY AND WE D WE WE ARE, WE'RE WANTING TO PROVIDE A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE IN THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE NORTH RESTAURANT, RET OR UH, HOTEL AND RETAIL IN THE SOUTH.
SO WE'RE STILL INCLUDING THAT MIXED USE BUT KIND OF REORIENTING IT, UH, VERSUS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND, UH, I SEE I'M ABOUT OUT, SO I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUE CARL CRAWLEY TALK TO YOU A LITTLE MORE.
UM, CARL, IF YOU COULD AT THE END OF THIS FILE SPEAKING YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS OUT PUTTING OUT A FIRES ON ANOTHER PROJECT, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I SAID ANDREW, I DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD.
I I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE.
UH, CARL CROWLEY 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS WITH MASTER PLAN.
UM, ANDREW, UH, TALKS REAL FAST AND TOOK HIS THREE MINUTES AND I PROBABLY TALK FASTER AND HOPE HE ACTUALLY GET FIVE.
I'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
UM, I DON'T, I, IF I TAKE FIVE SOMEONE SLAP ME.
UM, I WANTED TO, YOU READY? OKAY.
UH, LET ME, NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO THAT WAY.
I WANT TO, YOU GOT FOUR 40 TO GO.
I KNOW I'M TALKING FAST AND MOVING THE SLIDES FASTER.
I WANTED TO, UH, CONCENTRATE ON THIS.
UM, IT IS COME OUT, WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE MULTIFAMILY BY 20%.
AS ANDREW MENTIONED, IT'S A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE VERSUS A VER VERTICAL MIXED USE.
I THINK THAT THE BEST COMPONENT OR OPPORTUNITY FOR A VERTICAL MIXED USE, IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN IN THIS TRACK WAS THE TRACK TO THE NORTH AT THE INTERSECTION OF FORUM AND ROBINSON.
IT'S NOT A MIXED U IT IS A, IT ACTUALLY IS A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, BUT NOT A VERTICAL MIXED USE.
UH, THE OTHER THING, UH, AND I I DON'T RECALL WHO MENTIONED IT, UH, I GUESS IT WAS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND ABOUT, UH, 1 61 IN THE INTERSECTION.
I, I ALWAYS EQUATE, UM, GO BACK TO, UH, NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND LBJ, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, GREAT CORNER BOY YOU MILLION CARS PASS BY EVERY DAY.
AND SO FAR TDOT HAS HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT BATCH PLANTS THERE.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE.
UM, AND THAT'S 1 61 GOES OVER THE TOP.
UH, THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO CURB CUTS ALLOWED.
UM, IT'S REALLY A GREAT LOCATION TO LEAVE THE TREES AND THE FLOODPLAIN AS THEY ARE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
UH, AS AS UH, ANDREW MENTIONED 60% OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE TWO PDS WILL REMAIN NA NATURAL IN THAT SENSE.
UM, WE'VE AGREED TO ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF ASKED, THE SUP, UH, THE FENCE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE REDUCE THE SETBACKS, WE'LL HAVE TO GET, UM, THE FRANCHISE UTILITIES TO AGREE TO IT.
WE THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY IN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S THE EXISTING PD SPLITTING IN HALF WORKS IS GOOD.
UM, AND I, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK THE, UH, THE EAST OR WESTERN HALF IS A RETAIL LOCATION.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS HERE, AND HE JUST MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, THEY WON'T, THE PEOPLE TO THE NORTH WON'T GIVE US ACCESS
SO WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH A IKEA SIGN, WHICH IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, OBVIOUSLY.
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UM, A VERY LARGE GAS PAD AND THE RADIUS AROUND THAT, WHICH IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.AND THEN A BUNCH OF FLOODPLAIN.
AND WE THINK THIS DESIGN REALLY FITS GOOD.
UH, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, UM, IN OUR, UH, PLANE COMMISSION HEARING.
UH, SHE LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS ROBINSON AND SHE CAME IN SUPPORT OF US.
UH, SHE, SHE'S NOT THRILLED ABOUT, UH, MORE APARTMENTS, BUT SHE LIKED THE WAY WE DID THIS DESIGN AND HOW WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE HAD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND, UH, MOST OF THE PEOPLE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WERE IN SUPPORT.
SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS GONNA SPEAK TO ASK, TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, TRIPS, WHICH ARE ALWAYS EXCITING I'M SURE.
LET'S WAIT AND DO THE QUESTIONS ALL AT THE END PLEASE.
'CAUSE WE MAY NEED A FEW OF 'EM TO ANSWER.
MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, MY NAME'S BERNIE HEAP BRINK.
I'M WITH CESO ENGINEERS, UH, 8,700 FREEPORT PARKWAY, IRVING, TEXAS.
UH, AND I'M HERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THE PICTURES HERE AND GET, GET RIGHT TO THE SUMMARY SLIDE.
UM, THE REALITY IS IN THIS VICINITY THERE, THERE IS A TON OF TRAFFIC AND THERE'S A TON MORE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH IN, IN OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE REALITY IS, IS THE DEVELOPMENT HERE, OUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, BASED ON OUR TIA STUDY HAS VERY LITTLE IMPACT, UH, ON THE, ON THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC.
UH, IMPACT IS LESS THAN A SECOND IN MO IN, IN MOST CASES THREE SECONDS OR LESS, UH, OF AN IMPACT AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO, UH, THE REALITY IS, IS THAT REALLY ANYTHING THAT WOULD GET DEVELOPED ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD, WOULD HAVE, UH, THAT SIMILAR IMPACT, UH, IF NOT GREATER.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO TRAFFIC, LET'S GET THROUGH ALL OF THESE 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD LIGHTS POP ON FOR EVERYBODY SO FAR, SO LET'S JUST GET THROUGH ALL THE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL CALL Y'ALL ALL BACKED UP.
'CAUSE WE, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MICHAEL RAMSEY, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RAMSEY, I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT.
OUR ADDRESS IS 15 RICHARD ARRINGTON JR BOULEVARD.
WE'RE BASED IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA.
WE JUST WANNA SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MAKES GRAND, UH, PRAIRIE A SPECIAL TARGET MARKET FOR US.
WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THE REALITIES OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO SEE ONE MORE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
THERE'S CERTAINLY BEEN AN INFLUX ALONG 1 61.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO DIFFERENTLY RELATIVE TO WHAT MULTIFAMILY IS IS THERE TODAY.
SO WE WANNA DEVELOP THE SITE IN A VERY RESPONSIBLE WAY.
I THINK THE EASIEST PLACE TO SEE THAT IS THE HEADLINE DENSITY COUNT.
SO WE WANNA DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, 320 UNITS RATHER THAN 397 UNITS AND WE WANT TO TAKE THAT EXISTING ZONING THAT'S 397 NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF OUR SITE AND GROW THAT DENSITY TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A 60 FOOT TALL BUILDING, WHICH MF UH, THREE ZONING ALLOWS FOR TODAY, WE WANNA DO A FOUR STORY PRODUCT RATHER THAN A A FIVE STORY PRODUCT THAT WE COULD FIT IN THAT 60 FEET.
AND SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND EXCITED TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
SINCE YOU'RE THE DEVELOPER, WE'LL, WE'LL LET EVERYBODY KIND OF ASK AND YOU CAN KIND OF COORDINATE IT.
SO I'LL START WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM JOHN LOPEZ.
YEAH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO IS IT MF THREE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? OR STAFF? WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING? IT ALLOWS MF THREE.
IT, IT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY AND WE APPLY THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, MF TWO STANDARDS.
MF TWO IS WHAT, WHAT'S A HEIGHT, UM, CAPACITY ON THAT? IT'S THE SAME AS MULTIFAMILY THREE.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LOOKING AT OUR MAP HERE, THE GOOD PORTION OF YOUR PROPERTY, ACCORDING TO OUR MAP HERE, IS IN THE FLOOD ZONE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WOULD GET TO YOUR NUMBER 3, 9 7 IF YOU OWN IT TO ABOVE ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY U HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE BUILT THERE IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TONIGHT FOR OUR, UH, HERE'S A, HERE'S A WHAT IF SCENARIO THAT WE SHARED.
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ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE BUILDABILITY OF THAT 397.AND SO IT WOULD BE A STRUCTURED PARKING DEAL, UH, OR SITE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S 336 UNITS AS YOU SEE LABELED THERE IN GRAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROPOSED AS, AS GENERAL RETAIL WHERE THE HOTEL WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MORE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS DOWN THERE.
SO THE 3, 3, 6, THE 24 AND THE 36, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE COUNCILMAN OF, OF HOW YOU GET TO THE 3 97.
AS FAR AS ACCESS POINT, I SEE THAT YOU GOT ACCESS POINT OFF OF INITIAL 20.
IS THAT EXISTING TODAY OR YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE THAT? SO THE ACCESS POINT OFF OF THE, THE SERVICE ROAD OF I 20, UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING TEXT DOT PERMIT FOR THAT.
IT DOES NOT EXIST TODAY, BUT TEXDOT DOES HAVE A, HAS GIVEN THE EXISTING OWNER OF THE PROPERTY A PERMIT, ALREADY A PERMIT ON IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND, ARE YOU GONNA PUT A SOUTH FENCE UP IN BETWEEN THE UNITS AND THE FLOODPLAIN? SO REALLY WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT WE'RE NEXT TO THAT FLOODPLAIN.
WE WANNA PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN.
THAT'S THAT 60 TO 61% THAT ANDREW REFERENCED EARLIER FOR US TO, WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT A FENCE UP, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS INVITE OUR RESIDENTS TO EXPLORE THAT NATURE AMENITY.
AND WE REALLY VIEW IT AS, AS THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T VIEW IT AS, AS, I DON'T THINK I'D WANT A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE.
NO, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT BOARD ON BOARD.
BUT THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THAT FLOODPLAIN? GOOD.
SO WE WOULD PUT IN, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING PERVIOUS IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, UNLESS WE WENT TO FEMA AND THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND WE, WE CERTAINLY, UH, DON'T INTEND TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WE INTEND TO HAVE, UH, IMP EXCUSE ME, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING IMPERVIOUS.
WE INTEND TO HAVE PERVIOUS WALKING TRAILS.
IT COULD BE A MULCH BASED WALKING TRAIL OR A GRAVEL BASED WALKING TRAIL.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT WALKING TRAILS THROUGHOUT THAT AND THEN YOUR MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WOODS.
I'M JUST GONNA CALL 'EM THE WOODS FOR NOW.
AND Y'ALL GONNA GO IN THERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO CUT THE UNDERGROWTH AND KEEP THE POISON IVY OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT WALKING TRAILS IN, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A JUNGLE? NOPE, THAT'S CORRECT.
WE, WE VIEW THAT AS A AMENITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT FRANKLY IT'S THE NATURE SIDE OF OUR SITE AND WHAT DREW US TO, TO REALLY BELIEVE IN THIS SITE FOR A MULTIFAMILY USE.
WELL, I I AND YOU'D SHOW US THOSE AT THE SITE PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THEN I WANT YOU TO DO THE FENCE SOUTH OF THE WOODS BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FENCES ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO RUN NORTH AND SOUTH AND THEN THEY END.
WHY EVEN HAVE A FENCE THAT'S JUST PUTTING A FENCE UP? BECAUSE THE CITY'S MAKING YOU PUT A FENCE UP.
SO THE FENCE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER WOULD LIKELY TIE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SCREEN, A SHOT OF IT WOULD LIKELY TIE INTO THE MULTIFAMILY FENCE TO THE NORTH OF US.
SO HERE, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER HERE? CORRECT.
THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN, IN A GRAY, IN A, IN GRAY SHADING IS THE EXISTING ACCESS ROAD FOR THE GAS PAD.
THAT'S NOT, NOT US, THAT'S CHESAPEAKE AND TO TALL.
AND SO THEY HAVE A FENCE OUT THERE.
OUR FENCE ON THAT SIDE WOULD TIE INTO THAT FENCE.
AND SO YOUR FENCE WOULD THEN COME DOWN THIS WAY.
OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO NOT BRING A FENCE DOWN THAT WAY.
WE WOULD TIE INTO THE, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A FENCE FOR THE ACCESS ROAD OF OIL FIELD TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, THAT'S GONNA BE A PART OF YOUR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE BUFFER WITH THE TREES ON THE GARAGE IS THOSE THREE GARAGE BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST NORTH OF THE TREES.
WHAT'S VERY HARD TO SEE ON A TWO DIMENSIONAL MAP IS, IS THOSE GARAGES ARE GONNA BE ABOUT SIX TO SEVEN FEET ELEVATED ABOVE A RETAINING WALL.
SO EFFECTIVELY IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A FENCE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OIL FIELD TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ACCESS ROAD AND, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU WANT YOUR PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THAT TO GO OFF IN THE WOODS? WELL, SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE DO IT RIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EX, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE, THE DETAILED FINE TUNING OF THE SITE PLAN.
AND CERTAINLY WE WILL DO THAT AT THE SITE PLAN.
HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU DO IT RIGHT, CROSSING AN OIL FIELD ROAD? WELL, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE ACCESS CERTAINLY ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, BUT THE EAST SIDE PRESENTS CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP.
SO THIS FENCE RIGHT HERE, WHERE DOES I, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A FENCE THAT, THAT FRANKLY DOES HAVE THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE BRING THAT FENCE, UH, DOWN.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU TIE IT INTO? AND THERE'S, SO WHY, WHY HAVE A FENCE
SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS LET'S BRING IT ON DOWN AND AROUND.
AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME MONEY RIGHT THERE, BUT THAT LOOKS, THAT LOOKS RIDICULOUS.
THAT PART OF OUR ZONING IS TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND MULTIFAMILY AND THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO STOP.
IF THIS IS ALL YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT ANYBODY CAMPING AND LIVING IN THERE, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A FENCE TO GO
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ALL THE WAY AROUND.NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO UP HERE ON THE GAS ROAD, I GET THAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE WOODS FROM ANYWHERE THAT CROSSES THIS GAS ROAD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING ON THAT GAS ROAD, IT'S A, IT'S ONE NATURAL GAS WELLHEAD OPERATED BY CHESAPEAKE AND TOTAL.
ONE TRUCK COMES IN ABOUT ONCE A WEEK WITH WATER.
AND SO THEY'RE BRINGING WATER INTO THE PAD FILLING UP THE WATER TANK TO, TO PUMP THAT WATER INTO THE GROUND, TO PUMP THE GAS OUT.
WELL, YEP, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA PAINT THE PICTURE ONCE WEEK.
I JUST DIDN'T WANNA PAINT A PICTURE OF, OF BIG HEAVY OIL AND GAS EQUIPMENT COMING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M AN, I'M A FAN OF OIL AND GAS.
BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TRUCK COMING IN AND SO I, I DO THINK THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL CUTTING THE DENSITY DOWN.
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN HAVE GENERAL RETAIL ON THE WEST SIDE AND, AND THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE MY SUPPORT PROVIDING THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AROUND, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW ME HOW THERE'S NOT ANY ACCESS FROM YOUR UNITS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY GOING ACROSS THAT RAILROAD, UH, THAT OIL AND GAS ROAD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN COMMIT TO? NOW, I, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
I KNOW THAT'S A WR IRON FENCE WITH MASON AREA AND IT'S COMING ON DOWN.
BUT QUITE HONESTLY, I'D RATHER YOU SPEND THE MONEY THAN US HAVE A FENCE THAT JUST STOPS RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, AT THAT POINT, I THINK THE COUNCILS WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER NOT HAVING A FENCE ALONG 1 61 AT ALL BECAUSE IT TOTALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A FENCE IF IT JUST STOPS BY A TREE.
AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER.
WELL, NOW'S THE TIME TO CONSIDER.
'CAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE.
I, I'VE CONSIDERED IT AND WE'LL LIVE IT.
WE'LL BUILD THE FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN SURROUNDING THE SOUTH, THE TOTAL SOUTH SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
WE, WE'LL NOW IF YOU WANT TO CARVE IT UP TO BE BEHIND THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT SIDE, I'M, I'M ALL RIGHT WITH THAT.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY UP.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOING TO GET ACROSS THE OIL AND GAS ROAD.
MAYBE YOU GIVE CHESAPEAKE A, A REMOTE CONTROL TO OPEN UP A GATE OR SOMETHING, OR THEY NEVER HAVE ACCESS OVER THERE.
I I, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE NOT.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE REASON WHY I HESITATE IS THERE WILL BE SECTIONS OF FLOODPLAIN THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IN A FENCE.
WELL, SO I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR'S SAYING THEN IS THAT THIS FENCE, I'LL GO THIS WAY, THAT WAY I CAN TALK, THIS FENCE COMES DOWN AND IT STAYS ON YOUR SIDE OF THE OIL AND GAS ROAD.
THEN IT COMES UP OVER HERE AND YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND THEN THIS FENCE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN AROUND HERE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO CARVE IT UP INTO HERE, YOU CAN
I, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN FENCE THAT CURVE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE FLOODPLAIN.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET IN THERE TO DO THAT WORK.
AND THAT'S PRETTY LOW DOWN IN, I MEAN, NOT A LOW BLOW, PRETTY LOW LAND
WHAT, WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO IS JUST THE FENCE STOPPING RIGHT HERE.
BUT ONE THOSE DEALS, AT SOME POINT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO STOP WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
'CAUSE YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ON FENCES THAT ARE GONNA SLOW DOWN WATER FLOW.
THEN HOW DO YOU FEEL MAYOR, ABOUT RUNNING THEIR NICE ROD IRON WITH MASONRY COLUMNS ACROSS HERE AND THEN GIVING THEIR RESIDENTS SOME SORT OF THAT WOULD BE CLEANER.
WE CAN, THEY CAN DO THAT EASILY.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES IT, YOUR RESIDENTS HAD ACCESS TO IT VIA SOME SORT OF GATED KEY CODE THAT'S MUCH CLEANER.
WHERE THE IKEA SIGN IS, WE CAN RUN THAT DEW EAST OVER TO THE GAS PAD AND THAT'LL COMPLETE THE, THE CIRCLE.
NOW, BEAR IN MIND, JUST BECAUSE HE'S SAYING THAT NOW MAY NOT BE PART OF THE MOTION.
THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING IN THE MOTION.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE IN THE MOTION.
AND THEN I WOULD NOT LIKE ANY ACCESS ON THIS SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY DUE TO THE OIL AND GAS TRAFFIC.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT, THAT WAY IF YOU BUILT YOUR FENCE HERE, IT COULD COME ON RIGHT UP RIGHT HERE AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN MESSING AROUND WITH THIS ACCESS ROAD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
AND YOU WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THAT IF THAT WAS IN THE MOTION.
THAT'S A LOT CLEANER THAN GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND DOWN TO I 20.
WE WOULD, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON ARE, HAVE YOU, HAS YOURS BEEN READY? ANSWERED? UH, NO.
WE DISCUSSED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OF ROBINSON AND 20 WOULD BE THE TWO PRIMARY POINTS OF ENTRY INTO THE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE HOTEL ACCESS.
THE HOTEL ACCESS THAT'S OFF 20, THE SERVICE ROAD AND THEN TO THE APARTMENTS.
THE MULTIFAMILY ACCESS WOULD BE FROM WHERE? SO THE MULTIFAMILY ACCESS WOULD BE FROM THE, ON ROBINSON ROAD.
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FULL ACCESS IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED.ON THE HOTEL PIECE ON ROBINSON ROAD, WE'VE PRO, UH, PROPOSED A RIGHT IN AND A RIGHT OUT ONLY NO MEDIAN CUT.
SO THAT'S ONE WAY IN, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED IT WAS ONLY A ONE SECOND DELAY.
UH, COULD YOU COME UP AND, AND EXPLAIN HOW DID YOU CALCULATE, BECAUSE WHEN I GO THROUGH THERE, I TRY TO AVOID IT BECAUSE I KNOW IF I MISS THE LIGHT AND I MISS THE LIGHT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE IT, IT BACKS UP.
SO HOW DID YOU COME UP? IT'S ON THAT ONE SECOND DELAY.
NO, WELL, AND, AND, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND, AND TO CLARIFY, IT'S A RELATIVE CHANGE.
SO, UM, AND, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, THE INTERSECTION AT, AT FORUM AND ROBINSON ROAD, UH, THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S FORM THAT'S UP NORTH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT 20 COMING OFF 20 IN LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
THIS DOESN'T, THIS IS ROBINSON.
THIS, THIS DOESN'T GET OVER THERE.
WELL, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING OFF ROBINSON.
SO ONCE YOU EXIT, YOU GET OFF OF ROBINSON, YOU WOULD GO DOWN AND TURN RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO GET UP ON TO I 20 AT ROBINSON AND I 20.
AND YOU, YOU DON'T GO TO FARM MM-HMM
SO ARE ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MULTIFAMILY ACCESS, MULTI-FAMILY ACCESS.
SO THE MULTI-FAMILY ACCESS IS AT ROBINSON ROAD, UH, AT THE EXISTING MEDIAN OPENING, UH, TO THE MAIN ROAD.
UH, THAT IS TO THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST.
AND, UH, THAT TRAFFIC IS A FULL ACCESS RIGHT.
LEFT, UH, ACCESS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WHEN I'M LEAVING THERE, I CAN TURN LEFT.
AND, AND AT THAT POINT, YEAH, THERE, THERE, THERE'S MATERIAL, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A MATERIAL, UH, IMPACT, UH, ACTUALLY TO THE TRAFFIC EAST AND WESTBOUND TRAFFIC MM-HMM
UH, AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF, OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON ROBINSON ROAD.
AND SO LET ME CLARIFY MY ONE TO THREE SECOND DELAY, UH, WAS REFERRING TO THE OTHER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS IN THE VICINITY, UH, AND THAT, THAT IS NOT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
UH, I GUESS HOW MANY STORIES WOULD IT BE? FOUR STORIES.
HOW MANY BUILDINGS WOULD BE FOUR STORIES? ALL BUILDINGS ARE PLANNED TO BE FOUR STORIES.
ANY, IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF IT WAS, IF IT DIDN'T, IF IT DOESN'T PASS AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD ON THE MULTI-FAMILY SIDE, HOW MANY WOULD BE FOUR STORIES? OR WOULD THERE BE ANY FIVE STORIES? WE'RE TRYING TO GET FIVE STORIES ON THE, SO WITH THE EXISTING ZONING MM-HMM
WE, WE COULD BUILD UP TO 60 FEET IF, IF WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EXISTING MF TWO ZONING ALLOWSS FOR ON THE, ON JUST THE EASTERN HALF MM-HMM
IF THE, IF THE ZONING WERE TO IT COULD BE FIVE.
COULD, SO WOULD YOU DO ALL OF THEM FIVE OR JUST THE PORTION THAT WHERE RETAIL, YOUR PROPOSED RETAIL AT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, THE PARTICULAR WHAT IF SCENARIO THAT WE SHOW HERE IS A 60 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT FOR 336 UNITS.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE SITE PLAN WE WANNA DO.
IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN OUR OPINION.
AND THEN THE BUILDINGS DOWN BELOW, UH, ON THE HOTEL CORNER WOULD ALSO BE FIVE TO GET TO THAT, TO GET TO THE 24 UNITS IN THE 36.
SO IT'D BE A, IT'D BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, STRUCTURE.
IT'D BE A WRAPPED PRODUCT WITH A PARKING GARAGE.
Y'ALL HEAR THAT? SAY AGAIN? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
IT'D BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
IF THEY WERE LIMITED TO THAT SPECIFIC AREA, IT WOULD BE A WRAPPED TYPE PRODUCT WITH A PARKING GARAGE.
SO WITH THE FIVE STORIES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK ACROSS THE STREET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA LEVEL OFF THAT ELEVATION OR NOT, BUT YES.
BUT HE SAID ALL BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE FIVE STORIES FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO FIVE STORIES, BUT THEY CAN ONLY BUILD ON THE PIECE THAT'S NOT OVER CLOSE TO THE, UH, YEAH.
ONE THE CURRENT ZONING IS OVER FOR THE APARTMENTS.
AS YOU'RE RIGHT, I HAD IT FLIPPED.
IN, IN SHORT, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE EXISTING ZONING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S 3 97 ON ROBINSON.
WE'RE JUST WHAT, CUT IT DOWN AND SPREAD IT WEST AWAY FROM WE'RE TALKING WHAT IFS.
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THANK YOU FOR THIS, UM, PRESENTATION.MY QUESTION KIND OF FOLLOWS WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON JUST ASKED ABOUT IF WE DID DENY THIS ZONING CHANGE, HOW MANY BUILDINGS, HOW MANY APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE Y'ALL GONNA HAVE ON THIS, UM, EASTERN SIDE OF THE, OF THE, UM, PLOT OF LAND? SO THIS WOULD BE THREE BUILDINGS IN TOTAL.
THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS A, IS A LARGE BUILDING, A DOUBLE DONUT BUILDING.
AND THEN THE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH OF 24 AND THE 36 UNIT, THOSE WOULD BE THE SECOND AND THE THIRD BUILDING.
AND HOW MANY, UH, THOSE WOULD BE FIVE, FIVE STORIES AS WELL ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM ON THE SIDE.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE FIVE STORIES TO GET TO THE 397 UNITS THAT'S ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT.
AND THEN IN THIS SITE PLAN, WE HAVE, UH, FIVE, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE FOUR STORIES ON THE EAST SIDE, TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE ALSO FOUR STORIES ON THE WEST SIDE.
WELL, I GUESS THIS IS MORE SO CONVERSATION FOR COUNCIL, BUT I, I PERSONALLY AM NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS DUE TO THE FACT THAT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE CUTTING IT DOWN BY ABOUT 70 UNITS.
UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR ON A REGULAR BASIS IS OUR RESIDENTS NOT HAPPY THAT THERE'S SO MUCH APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS DOES, I MEAN, WE'RE CUTTING IT OUT BY ABOUT 70 UNITS, BUT WE'RE SPREADING OUT THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY.
SO IF A, IF A RESIDENT IS DRIVING ALONG 1 61, THEY'RE GONNA SEE MORE APARTMENTS RATHER THAN IF WE KEPT IT HOW IT IS, YOU'RE ISOLATED INTO ONE SIDE AND THEY'RE, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK AS MANY.
IT DOESN'T LOOK AS I HEAR YOU, IT DOESN'T LOOK AS MUCH, UH, THE PERCEPTION, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALMOST, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK AS MUCH.
IT MAY BE 70 MORE, BUT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, THEY SEE IT AS LESS.
AND AN ARGUMENT CAN BE HAD THAT IF IT'S FIVE STORIES, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.
BUT I CAN MAKE THAT SAME ARGUMENT WITH FOUR STORIES.
THE, THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE DID GET FROM, FROM, UH, YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS, UH, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST.
SO OUR THOUGHT WAS TO, TO GROW THOSE EXTRA UNITS WEST TOWARD THE, TOWARD, UH, PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH AND 1 61, RATHER THAN HAVE SO MANY UNITS FRONT LOADED ON ROBINSON.
HYPOTHETICALLY, WHY CAN'T YOU PUT MAYBE TWO OR THREE MORE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST? ON THE WEST SIDE? WE CAN'T PARK THEM.
THERE'S LESS DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE OVER THERE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY THAT PARKS, UH, AND WALKS INTO THEIR UNIT HAS A PARKING PLACE AND PARKING INTO THAT BUILDING.
WE WISH WE COULD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, OR, OR, OR REMOVE THE IDEA OF THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT AND PUT TWO OR THREE UNITS THROUGH, UH, TWO OR THREE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE.
WE, WE COULD, THE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS REALLY TWOFOLD.
IT WAS REALLY, HEY, WE NEED TO SHOW A MIXED USE, UH, NATURE OF OUR, OUR, OUR SITE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT TO DO GENERAL RETAIL DOWN THERE WITH A HOTEL AND A SIT DOWN, UH, RESTAURANT.
AND THEN IT WAS ALSO TO NOT PUT MULTIFAMILY ON THAT CORNER.
UH, SEVERAL, UH, RESIDENTS AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT, UH, IF WE HAD WANTED TO DO MULTIFAMILY DOWN THERE, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST.
NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS.
I, I JUST, I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE, YOU'RE DOING YOUR PART TO TRY TO DECREASE THE, UH, THE DENSITY.
BUT TO, TO A PERSON THAT'S JUST DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE DENSITY THAN IT IS LESS.
IT, IT DEPENDS WHAT STREET YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, ROBINSON.
UM, SO, UH, A COUPLE THOUGHTS.
IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THIS, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SCREEN, UH, WITH, IF THE ZONING ISN'T CHANGED, UH, WITH THE SMALLER BUILDINGS, UM, IS THE SETBACK WITHIN THE REALM REQUIRED, OR IS, HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED INTO? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS KIND OF TIGHT THERE.
I WONDER IF THAT CAN REALLY EVEN BE DONE, OR YOU WOULD NEED A VARIANCE THAT I MAY HAVE TO LEAD ON SAVANNAH TO HELP ME HERE, UM, WITH THE EXISTING ZONING THAT MAY BE REFLECTIVE OF OUR 10 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUEST.
Y'ALL KNOW WHAT HE'S, SHE'S WANTING BASED ON THE VISUAL, THE SETBACK RIGHT HERE, SAVANNAH.
BASED ON THE VISUAL, IT APPEARS THAT THIS LAYOUT WOULD NEED THE SAME VARIANCE AS THEY'RE ASKED AS THEY REQUESTED.
SO TO YOUR YOUR POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, THIS IS, THIS SITE PLAN IS, IS REALLY A WHAT IF SCENARIO.
WE DID NOT SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME DEVELOPING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANNA BUILD.
BUT YOUR POINT, YOUR POINT IS, UH, WELL TAKEN AND, UH, WE, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE PORTRAYED THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE REALISTICALLY, UM, THAT THAT BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE PULLED BACK, UH, FURTHER.
AND, UH, IF, IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT FINALIZED, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE OFFICIALLY PRESENTING, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAX IT OUT STILL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE SOUNDING LIKE IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, THEN THERE'LL BE EVEN MORE UNITS, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS YOU COULD DO FEWER UNITS AND IN HALF THE SPACE.
WELL, THEY, THEY CERTAINLY COULD.
BUT I TELL YOU, MOST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS BUILD TO THE MAX WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY GET PAID, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DIRT OWNER WANTS.
BUT YOU ARE NOT PRESENTING THAT TONIGHT? NO.
THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM,
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UH, NEIGHBORS SPECIFICALLY WERE WHAT IS ALLOWED ON THE SITE TODAY.CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE? THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A, THE WHAT IF PLAN OR TO, TO MAYBE PUT IT IN, IN BETTER WORDS IN FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS THE SCARE YOU PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.
WE DON'T WANNA SPEND TIME NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THIS PLAN BECAUSE WHAT WE THINK WE'RE OFFERING, UH, IS A MORE RESPONSIBLE WAY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
BUT, UH, TO YOUR POINT, I, I THINK YOUR, YOUR QUESTION'S FAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBER HADDEN, I DON'T WANT US TO THINK THAT IF WE DENY IT, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT COME BACK.
IT IT, UH, BUT IF THEY DO COME BACK, IF THEY DO COME BACK OR ANYBODY COME BACK, IF ANYBODY COMES BACK, SOMEBODY WILL, MAY NOT BE THEM.
THEY CAN BUILD WHAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO VARIANCES.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO VARIANCES.
AND WE CAN, AND IF THEY KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY VARIANCES.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED IN THE PAST,
UH, YOU GIVE US ONE VARIANCE, YOU'RE DONE.
I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND, AND THAT IS WHY WE WANT TO CUT THAT TOGETHER.
BUT WE GET BEAT UP MORE ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.
I TELL YOU THE, IF WE DENY THIS TONIGHT, NO ONE WILL KNOW THAT THEY COULD BUILD MULTIFAMILY OR AGAIN, ANYWAY.
ALL THEY WILL KNOW IS WE DENIED A MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS NOT TRUE.
BUT THAT THIS PERCEPTION AND ALL THAT, SO IT'S, IT'S TOUGH.
THESE ARE NOT EASY DECISIONS, NO DOUBT.
AND, UH, SO, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR.
WELL, BUT NOT TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU'VE STILL GOT THE FLOOR COUNCIL MEMBER HEADING, YOU KNOW, UM, IN REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN MEMBER UNI'S COMMENT, PERCEPTION OF NOT HAVING SUCH A LONG STRETCH OF APARTMENTS IS, YOU KNOW, ONE THING.
BUT IF IT WOULD, IF IT WERE EVEN FEWER OR AT LEAST THE SAME OR FEWER AND STRETCHING LESS FAR, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION IS ONE THING, BUT THE TURNAROUND AND HAVE SO MANY MORE UNITS ISN'T, ISN'T THAT HELPFUL? SO THAT'S JUST AN ASIDE.
I ALSO WANTED TO, UM, PIGGYBACK ON THE FENCING, UM, THAT COUNCILMAN COPELAND MENTIONED.
SO I KNOW IT SEEMS WITH BEING CLOSE TO A HIGHWAY, LIKE MAYBE THE FENCE STOPPING ISN'T A BIG DEAL.
BUT WE DID HAVE, IN MY DISTRICT, UM, NEAR MY HOUSE, BEHIND THE, THE FENCING OF THE HOUSES, THEY BUILT A WALL OF, UH, AGAINST THE HIGHWAY WITH SOME ART ON IT, AND THERE WAS A GAP.
WE HAD A FENCE THAT JUST ENDED AND THERE WERE PEOPLE BACK THERE CAMPING OUT, AND IT DID BECOME AN ISSUE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, BUT I HAVE SEEN IN THIS SAME DISTRICT THAT PEOPLE JUST FIND ODD PLACES TO TRY TO HIDE OUT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A PLACE THAT MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE NOTICED OR NOT, BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH MENTIONING IF I CAN ADD SURE.
THE, MAYBE OTHER THAN COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THE LEAST PEOPLE CAMPING, THERE WOULD BE US.
AND SO WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO, TO HELP IN THAT REGARD.
UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM JOHNSON.
DEPUTY MO MAYOR PRO TIM LOPEZ.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, Y'ALL HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THE ACTUAL MEETINGS? SO THE FIRST MEETING WAS GOOSE EGG.
UM, WE, WE MET ON THE THURSDAY OF THE ICE STORM.
UH, CITY SCHOOLS WERE NOT OPEN.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO PLAN THESE MEETINGS IN UNDERSTAND IN ADVANCE.
UH, SO WE, WE DECIDED TO COME IN THE EVENT THAT NEIGHBORS DID SHOW UP, THE DALWORTH, UH, RECREATION CENTER WHERE WE HOSTED THE MEETING CITY FACILITY WAS OPEN.
SO WE DID MAKE THE DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND COME, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE DECIDED TO HOST A SECOND MEETING.
THE SECOND MEETING, UH, FIVE, FIVE NEIGHBORS, UH, SHOWED UP ALL, ALL WITHIN THAT EASTERN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST.
AND I WAS CONTACTED BY A COUPLE OF THEM THAT SAID THEY DID A GOOD PRESENTATION.
WE, WE NOTICED SOME 200 ODD, UH, AND I'LL LEAN ON SAVANNAH TO GIVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT SOME 200 ODD, UH, NEIGHBORS AND, AND FIVE SHOWED UP ON THE SECOND MEETING WE HAVE, UH, JACKIE, YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION? COME ON UP AND ASK, ASK ME AND THEN I'LL ASK THEM.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC QUESTION, AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, AND I'M SEEING THAT THAT INTERSECTION OF FOUR, AND IS THAT GONNA BE A, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL
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LIGHT, OR ARE YOU GONNA DO A ROUNDABOUT? THERE'S NO ROUNDABOUT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE.BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO PUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
IS THERE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE ALREADY? OKAY.
AND SO HOW WOULD THE, I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHAT THE RULES ARE.
WE, WE CAN'T DICTATE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL MUST MEET WARRANTS.
THE WARRANTS HAVE TO DICTATE IT.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION DOES A STUDY AND WE'RE KIND OF PROHIBITED BECAUSE IT GETS INTO LEGAL THINGS IF WE, SO THEY CAN'T EVEN REQUEST TO NOT ART, TO HAVE, OUR TRAFFIC TEAM HAS TO DO STUDIES AND SEE WHETHER IT WARRANTS IT OR NOT.
IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
AND WHAT DID YOUR TIA DO? WELL, WE AT THE CITY DID REQUEST THAT WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, WARRANT STUDY, UM, AT THAT.
AND WHAT DID IT SAY? AND IT WASN'T WARRANTED.
UH, AND THERE'S TWO ISSUES THERE.
THE OTHER IS THAT IT WOULD BE FAR TOO CLOSE TO THE FORUM ROBINSON THING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS HERE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE CURB CUTS TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF RIGHT ISSUES.
BUT THANK YOU JACKIE, FOR HOLLERING THAT OUT.
WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GET THEIR QUE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND MAYOR.
UH, I HAVE, I HAVE LEARNED MORE FROM COUNCILMAN ZANU IN THE SHORT TIME THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW HIM THAN I'VE LEARNED FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR 20 YEARS.
AND I, I'M, I VERY MUCH RESPECT HIM.
I I, I AGREE WITH YOUR PERCEPTION COMMENTS, BUT THE REALITY OF IT, THE REALITY OF IT IS MULTIFAMILY CAN BE BUILT HERE.
THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT THIS GROUP IS PROPOSING LESS MULTIFAMILY THAN THEY CAN BUILD.
AND I, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THEY COULD BUILD LESS UNITS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE BANK AND BORROWING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD EVERY UNIT THAT THEY CAN BUILD.
WE COULD DO NOTHING TO STOP THEM OTHER THAN VARIANCES, AS DEPUTY MAYOR LOPEZ POINTED OUT.
AND I'M CERTAIN THEY WOULD COME BACK WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES.
SO WHILE I'M, I'M SENSITIVE TO PERCEPTION.
THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN WITH US OR WITHOUT US.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO BE THE BEST STEWARDS OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WE CAN, TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY IN THERE, WHICH THIS OPTION GIVES US.
UH, AND AS WELL AS I, I, I THINK IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S FOUR STORIES, BUT ALSO THINK FOUR STORIES IS BETTER THAN FIVE STORIES.
AND, AND I WOULD LIKE IT FOR IT TO BE ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT THE REALITY IS THERE, THERE'S REALITY AND THERE'S PERCEPTION.
AND I THINK THE REALITY OF THIS SITUATION IS WE'RE BETTER OFF GOING FOR FEWER APARTMENTS AND, AND HAVING THIS GROUP BE THE STEWARDS OF WHAT I'M CALLING THE WOODS, BECAUSE I DO WORRY ABOUT HOMELESS SITUATION IN THOSE WOODS.
AND, AND I DO ACCEPT YOUR ANSWER THAT YOU WOULD BE THE BEST STEWARD OF THAT LAND AS OPPOSED TO JUST SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
THANK YOU, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM LOPEZ.
IT'S A QUESTION MORE FOR STAFF.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD PULL UP THE INTERACTIVE MAP AND SHOW THE FLOODWAY ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE GAS? WELL, YES.
WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU, WHICH MEANS DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
I GOT IT PULLED UP HERE TOO, SO.
WELL, YOU JUST TELL US WHAT IT IS.
YEAH, THAT IS THAT ALL THAT YELLOW? NO, IT'S A BLUE.
THAT'S WHAT I, SO IT'S EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT ROAD ALMOST, ISN'T IT, JOHN? A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THAT ROAD.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT RETAINING WALL THERE BEHIND THOSE GARAGES.
AND SAVANNAH, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DARK BLUE AND THE LIGHT BLUE? I'M GONNA LET NOREEN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
NOREEN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DARK BLUE AND LIGHT BLUE.
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THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LIGHTER BLUE OR GREENISH IS THE 500 YEAR, AND YOU CAN BUILD IN THAT.BUT THE DARK DARKER BLUE, THE DARKER BLUE IS THE 100 YEAR.
AND THEN, AND YOU CANNOT BUILD IN, THERE'S RESTRICT, YOU HAVE NAH, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH FEMALE, HAVE IT STAKE, STAKED UP AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN THE RED STRIPED IS THE FLOODWAY, WHICH IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE.
SO IF YOU BUILD UP TO, TO BUILD ON THE BLUE DARK BLUE, DOES THAT ADD TO THE HEIGHT OF THE APARTMENT OR NO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO, UM, MITIGATION TO REMOVE THE LAND THAT STRUCTURE IS ON AND GO THROUGH THE FEMA PROCESS.
LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, CAN'T PUT, YOU CANNOT PUT A NEW REC STRUCTURE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, SO YOU'D HAVE TO MANIPULATE THE LAND TO MITIGATE IT.
SO WHEN THE STRUCTURE IS BUILT, IT IS NO LONGER IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THIS IS FOR THE DEVELOPER.
UH, ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES HAD SOME WORDING IN THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY.
WHEN YOU SAY UPSCALE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? AS FAR AS THE APARTMENTS, THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW THE CURRENT MARKET CHANGES, SO THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH.
BUT, UH, THE EASIEST, UH, AND MOST QUANTITATIVE WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS THE, UH, IS THE CLUBHOUSE THAT WE INTEND TO DO.
UH, SO MOST, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THIS PARTICULAR NOTE HAVE ABOUT A, A FOUR TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE.
SO THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE YOUR RECEPTION AREA, WHERE A PROSPECTIVE RESIDENT WOULD WALK IN AND BE GREETED.
IT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, MAIL ROOM, CLUBHOUSE, UH, CLUBHOUSE SPACE AND LOUNGE SPACE, UH, FITNESS AND OTHER FACILITIES.
WE WANT TO, UH, GIVE OR TAKE DOUBLE THAT.
SO WE WANNA OFFER ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
UH, ANOTHER, UH, GOOD, GOOD PLACE TO SHOW IS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS.
UH, WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS NOT ONLY MORE ANALOGOUS AND CONGRUOUS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING, UH, ALTHOUGH IN, IN FACT IT IS TALLER, BUT THE DESIGN OF IT ITSELF THAN OTHER MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO IT'S THE FINISHING AND PLUS THE EXPANDED CLUBHOUSE.
IT'S, IT'S THE AMENITIES AND, UH, THAT, THAT REALLY SELL AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO A PROSPECTIVE RESIDENT.
AND, AND ONE OF YOUR, UH, CONSTITUENTS.
AND WHAT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THEM TO RENT FOR ON AVERAGE, APPROXIMATELY, UH, $1,700 A MONTH IS, IS OUR TARGET FOR HOW MANY BEDROOMS? SO, SO, UH, IT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE OF A ONE BEDROOM, A TWO BEDROOM, AND A THREE BEDROOM.
THE AVERAGE, UH, GIVE OR TAKE RULE OF THUMB, THAT WOULD BE A, UH, CALL IT A 1100, UH, TO 1200 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO BEDROOM WOULD BE ABOUT PRICE AT THAT RENT.
A THREE BEDROOM, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE PRICED HIGHER THAN THAT IN A ONE BEDROOM LOWER.
COUNCIL MEMBER HEAD, THIS ONE, ONE.
YOU CAN OF COURSE MAKE ANY MOTION YOU WANT.
I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS MR. COPELAND'S THOUGHTS ON THIS JUST BECAUSE OF, I LIKE THIS STYLE BETTER THAN I LIKE THE WRAP, BUT I'M SURE ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION.
UM, I ACTUALLY STAFF YOU CAN DO ONE MOTION FOR SEVEN FOR 18 AND 19 STAFF.
JUST LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING, I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME.
YOU SAY IT'S POSSIBLE FIGURING OUT HOW YOU WOULD GET 397 UNITS, LOOKING AT HOW SPREAD OUT THIS IS AT THREE 20.
WHAT IS THE SMALLEST AN APARTMENT CAN CAN BE 600 SQUARE FEET.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS HERE THAT WAS, UH, COMMONPLACE? NOT THAT ARE WISHING TO SPEAK.
HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR MIND ABOUT WISHING TO SPEAK? WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW.
UH, DEBBIE AND THEM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T MIND COMING UP AND SPEAKING, BUT THEY LIVE A DEBBIE, GO AHEAD AND COME FORWARD.
UH, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'VE GOT TWO PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
THEY LIKE THIS VERSUS WHAT COULD GO THERE.
UH, ONE OF 'EM IS A RETIRED TEACHER, AND SO THEY LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SHE HELPED TAKE CARE OF MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
AND, UH, I GIVE HER DAUGHTER TICKETS ALL THE TIME, BUT SHE LIVES SO FAR AWAY.
ERNIE LANE, GRAND PRIX, TEXAS.
BUT I DO CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE CONTROL OVER
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SOME ACREAGE THAT'S ON ROBINSON ROAD.YOU DO, YOU'RE YOU'RE LATE MOM AND DAD? I HAVE, I HAVE A, A CONCERN, OKAY.
WHEN I WROTE IN FOR OPPOSITION OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE JUST AN AVERAGE CITIZEN, YOU SEE THIS STUFF, BUT UNTIL YOU HEAR WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE AND THEM BEING ABLE TO SAVE THIS MANY TREES IS A BIG DEAL.
I DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST OF THEM.
UM, BUT WHY, WHY NOT BUILD THREE STORIES SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING IN THOSE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND FIVE STORIES IN THE BACK SO THAT, HAS ANYBODY DONE A STUDY SO THAT SEES I STILL CARE ABOUT THOSE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS? WELL, LET'S LET THEM ANSWER.
LET'S, LET'S NOT ANSWER THAT, BUT LET'S LET THEM ANSWER THAT.
AND REMEMBER, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD DISTANCE.
IT'S NOT IN, IT'S NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
TRAFFIC IS BECAUSE IT'S SO LONG THE WAY.
AND TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN.
ARE THEY GONNA HAVE CUT-INS SO THAT THEY TURN AND IT DOESN'T SLOW US DOWN ON ROBINSON? YOU KNOW, THAT DEPENDS ON, I DON'T THINK IT WARRANTED THAT, BUT WELL, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE TERMS STAFF, THAT WILL LIKELY BE DETERMINED AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN, I DOUBT THAT WARRANTS IT.
APARTMENT, APARTMENT TURNIN VERY RARELY WARRANTED.
BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEPS YOUR TRAFFIC FLOW GOING.
UM, ON ROBINSON, BECAUSE IT'S BACKED UP, IF IT WASN'T TWO LANE DIVIDED IT, IT MAY WARRANT IT, BUT SINCE IT'S TWO, IT'S FOUR LANE DIVIDED, IT PROBABLY WON'T.
UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A ALREADY A MEDIAN CUT THERE SO THAT THEY CAN TURN IN, LEFT THERE.
HOWEVER, THERE WON'T BE A MEDIAN CUT FOR THE HOTEL.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE AND MAKE A TURN.
THEY, THERE'S RIGHT IN THE HOTEL IS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY MM-HMM
SO THEY, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO DOWN TO THE MEDIAN CUT AND MAKE A U-TURN.
I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT, AND I, THERE'S NOBODY HATES MULTIFAMILY MORE THAN ME, BUT THIS IS, THEY CAN PUT MULTIFAMILY IN HERE AND, UM, YOU CAN, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS FOR, ESPECIALLY YOURS, FOR TRYING TO MINIMIZE, MINIMIZE THE, BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THE WAY FROM OPUS WAREHOUSE, I UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMETHING CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILT THERE.
MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS WITH CITY IN THE FUTURE, WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT SOME OF THIS SO THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS. WELL, DEBBIE, I'LL ADDRESS THAT.
I GOT ASKED THAT THE OTHER DAY IN A LENGTHY EMAIL.
MAYOR, WHY CAN'T WE CHANGE SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT WAS DONE? THEY CAN'T CHANGE ZONING UNLESS THE CAN'T CAN'T CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
AND THE CITIZENS DON'T SEE THIS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HEAD AND I, COUNCIL MEMBER LOPEZ AND I HAVE TALKED THREE DEVELOPERS OUT OF COMING FORWARD WITH APARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUIRING ZONING CHANGES.
I JOKED ON ONE OF THEM TODAY, YESTERDAY.
I TOLD 'EM, YOU KNOW, I'D ALMOST LIKE YOU TO COME SO WE CAN DENY IT.
'CAUSE WE GET MORE, WE GET, WE GET
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JACQUELINE? I TOLD HIM THAT, BUT I'D RATHER THEM NOT WASTE THEIR TIME.
JACK, JACQUELINE AND I SPENT AN HOUR WITH HIM AND SAID, WE CANNOT SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE.
WELL, CAN I DO, CAN I? WHAT IF I BUILD A BIGGER, I TOLD HIM, ROBERT, IF YOUR REQUEST HAS THE INITIALS MF IN IT, MULTIFAMILY
JACQUELINE AND I, AND WE'D ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, CANNOT SUPPORT IT.
SO WE'RE STOPPING A NUMBER OF THEM.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE THAT ASK MULTI MULTIFAMILY? WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS PRETTY AS WE CAN.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WELL BEING THAT IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS WHY DON'T THEY TAPE UNTIL THEY BROUGHT YOU A, UM, A TYPE OF HOTEL THAT THEY WERE GONNA BRING? 'CAUSE THAT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT WE GET TO SAY YES OR NO TO THAT.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T EXACTLY FEEL THE SAME WAY I DID, UM, WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING THAT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BUILD THERE
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AND I REALLY HAD RATHER IT NOT BE A FIVE STORY ON THE CORNER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.BUT I APPRECIATE THAT, DEBBIE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY.
YOUR SECTION DOES MATTER, BUT REALITY ALSO.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO THE DEVELOPERS IS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE FOUR STORIES AND NOT FIVE STORIES.
UH, ALONG ROBINSON, YOU MAY PUT THE FIVE STORIES, UH, ON, UH, IT, IT'S ALL FOUR STORY.
EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE FOUR STORY IF THIS IS APPROVED.
ANY THREE STORIES POSSIBILITY? THREE STORIES OF ROBINSON? NO, BUT, BUT ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS, UH, TO ANSWER DEBBIE'S QUESTION, UH, AS WELL IS WE'VE GOT, UM, SOME TOPOGRAPHY ON OUR SIDE ALONG ROBINSON ROAD.
AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO SOUTH DOWN ROBINSON TOWARD I 20, THAT ROAD DOES FALL DOWN, UH, IN, IN ALTITUDE AND THEN THE EAST, AND THEN, UH, COMING OFF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD, IF YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH, WHICH IS ONTO OUR PROPERTY THAT WE, OUR BUILDINGS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE FOUR STORY, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN, UH, THEY WILL BE A FEW FEET BELOW ROAD ELEVATION.
SO IT WON'T READ QUITE AS, UH, AS TALL AS, AS YOU MAY SEE.
AND THE, AND THE SAD THING IS ALL DOWN ROBINSON ALREADY HAS THOSE LOOKING OVER THERE, BUT THEY DON'T FACE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
AND, UM, I WANNA ASK A QUESTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE CAN ASK AT THIS STAGE OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT KIND OF HOTELS LIKE MS. DEBBIE SAY, WHAT KINDA HOTELS ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT? WE CAN ASK THAT THEY MAY NOT KNOW YET, BUT WHAT KIND ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? SO, UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO AND THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR US AGREEING TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOU SPECIFIC BRANDS AND SPECIFIC FLAGS AND HOTELS RATHER.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS, FRANKLY, AT, AT IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY EARLY IN THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE YET.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WE WILL NOT APPROVE THAT BOTTOM TIER THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT APPROVE.
AND, AND I CAN PROMISE YOU AN EXTENDED STAY, WE WILL NOT APPROVE.
SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE UP IN THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING ORDINANCE THAT HAS THAT, HOW DO WE DECIDE WHAT IS BOTTOM TIER AND WHAT IS NOT? THEY HAVE THE STAFF, IT'S THE STR CODE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.
THERE'S AN STR CHAIN SCALE RATING WHERE WE LOOK AT THE, THE BRAND AND IT, IT CLASSIFIES IT, I THINK ON A SCALE OF, OF ONE TO FIVE OR SIX.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO THAT THE HOTEL RATINGS PEOPLE DO THAT.
SO A BOTTOM, SO BOTTOM TIER IS ONE, ONE AND TWO.
WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED BOTTOM TIER OR JUST NUMBER OR JUST ONE? I I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH WAY THE NUMBERS RUN.
UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE HIGHER THE NUMBER, THE BETTER THE RANKING.
I THINK SO NUMBER ONE'S THE TOP TIER, BUT IT'S IRRELEVANT.
FOUR AND FIVE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE, BUT WE APPROVED.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY WERE WELL DONE.
NO, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, WE WERE HAPPY WITH THE RATINGS.
I, I FEAR THAT IT'S ARBITRARY AND WHAT, WHAT I MAY CONSIDER, UH, A TOP A FIVE OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T, I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT A DAYS INN IS A BOTTOM TIER.
WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? LA QUINTA? I WOULD CALL THAT A MID RANGE.
I WOULD CALL THAT A, A TWO OR THREE.
NOT A FOUR OR FIVE, BUT, UH, I WOULD, I CONSIDER A, A MARRIOTT OR A HILTON? A FIVE.
UH, UH, THE ONE, THE TOP, WHICHEVER ONE WAS, UM, THE HOMEWOOD SUITES AND THE HILTON GARDEN ENDS ARE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY A TWO OR A THREE IN THAT RATING.
SO THEY, AND THEY, THEY BASE IT ON THE AMENITIES AND THINGS.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAME UP WITH.
IT IS WHAT THE HOTEL INDUSTRY COMMISSION.
Y'ALL BEEN, YEAH, IT'S BEEN GREAT DISCUSSION.
COUNCIL MEMBER HEDON, JUST GOING BACK TO YOUR ALTERNATE PLAN, DID THAT INCLUDE A HOTEL OR THAT'S NO HOTEL.
WE, WE CHOSE TO JUST PORTRAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
WE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS ALREADY ZONED GR I, I SUPPOSE COULD HAVE A HOTEL ON IT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE, LET'S ASK THAT ACCESS.
COULD, COULD THE OLD ZONING HAVE A HOTEL IN IT? YES.
THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TO DEPICT IT.
YEAH, BUT IT COULD, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ABOUT THE ACCESS? SO THAT THE ACCESS, IT DOESN'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO 1 61 BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT GET, OR, OR FORESEEABLY, YOU COULD NOT GET A TEXDOT CURB CUT PERMIT ON 1 61.
AND THAT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD FOR SOMEONE STAYING IN A HOTEL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL HOTEL THERE.
WOULD YOU NOT BE ABLE SEE IT? OR YOU JUST WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND TO GET IN AND PARK? I UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD YOU BE ABLE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
YOU COULD SEE IT AND OF COURSE WITH THE, THE VERTICAL NATURE OF THE HOTEL.
BUT IT WOULD BE VERY, IT WOULD CAUSE DRIVE AROUND.
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LOT OF PROBLEMS. UM, ACCESS FOR ACCESS.UM, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SAVANNAH.
SO ENA UH, IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED TONIGHT, HOW LONG BEFORE THEY CAN COME BACK? THEY COME BACK, THEY COULD COME BACK TOMORROW TO BUILD WHAT? ZER ON THERE.
NO, WE'RE NOT WHAT ZER ON THERE.
IF THEY WERE TO TRY TO REAPPLY WITH THIS SAME PLAN, NO, THEY COULD COME BACK TOMORROW WITH THE CURRENT ZONING WITH THE ATTORNEY CURRENT.
UM, THEY WON'T, THEY CAN'T COME BACK TOMORROW, BUT THEY COULD LEGAL, RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
UM, WELL, WITH EVERYTHING STATED, I'M INCLINED TO ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO PUSH TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY, UM, GIVEN ALL THE RETAIL WE HAVE THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT DOWN THE LINE, MAYBE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING.
SO I'M GOING TO MOTION TO DENY THIS ITEM.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I'LL WAIT FOR A SECOND, BUT I WILL BE VOTING SECOND AGAINST THAT.
THIS, WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY MAYOR COUNCIL.
OH YEAH, WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY COLE HUMPHREYS.
THIS IS THE MOTION TO DENY ANY DISCUSSION.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HEDON TO CONSIDER POSSIBLY POSTPONING TABLING IT TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS RATHER THAN OUTRIGHT DENYING THIS MOTION.
WHAT WOULD WE DISCUSS? WE CAN MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
FIGURE OUT ABOUT RE-IMAGINING.
UH, I, I, I, I'D MOVE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN TONIGHT.
THAT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT JUST NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND IS THIS FOR BOTH ADAMS 18 AND 19? WELL, YOU MIGHT AS WELL.
YOU DON'T DENY ONE AND NOT I AND DENY THE OTHER, RIGHT? IT IT, IT WAS, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.
SO, C CAN I AMEND MY MOTION? YES.
AND YOUR NEXT MOTION, UH, MOTION TO, SHE PUTS FORTH A MOTION TO TABLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO WOULD HER MOTION TO TABLE WE'LL, BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT.
WOULD HER MOTION HAVE TO FAIL? WE'LL, WE'LL, HER MOTION MAY FAIL.
THAT'S WHAT IF HER MOTION TO, THEN WE GO BACK TO, AND THEN WE'D BE OPEN TO ANOTHER MOTION TO DENY OR ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
TELL, BUT THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS AND NO, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THIS PLAN VERSUS THE OTHER.
SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'D DO DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A SECOND TO TABLE, CORRECT.
COLE, YOU SECONDED THE TABLING.
I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST TABLING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT GONNA PASS.
I JUST, I'M READY TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING, RAISE YOUR HAND.
MOTION CARRIES BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO FOUR AGAINST.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY ABS STANDARDS.
YOU WERE GONNA VOTE TO NOT TABLE.
CAN WE TABLE IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE A MONTH? UH, NEXT MEETING.
AND DIS DISCUSS AWAY WHATEVER.
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ITEM 20.THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS 20 AND 21 ARE RELATED.
SO I'LL BE PRESENTING THEM IN A SINGLE PRESENTATION.
AND THE FIRST COMPONENT IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM MIXED RESIDENTIAL TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU'LL NOTE THE LOCATION OF THIS, UH, FLUME THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED IS NOT THE TOTAL LOCATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, STAFF'S UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST BECAUSE A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WE DO NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY PORTION IS ALLOWED PER THE EXISTING ZONING.
AGAIN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NOT THE ZONING, IT'S THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE.
AND THE SECOND ELEMENT OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, THE EXISTING ZONING IS PD 2 65 A AND IT ALLOWS GENERAL RETAIL, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN OPEN SPACE.
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AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY.YOU CAN SEE A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS ALLOWED TODAY, AND THEIR PROPOSED ZONING.
I WILL NOTE THAT AGAIN, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT IS ALLOWED WITH THE EXISTING PD.
SO WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS, UH, RELOCATING A LITTLE BIT AND THEN REZONING THE REMAINDER TO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
THE CONCEPT PLAN DEPICTS 167, UH, DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UH, THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL.
IT WAS FOR ZERO LOT LINE TOWN HOME OR ZERO LOT LINE HOMES.
UH, THEY WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND ARE JUST DOING THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIALS.
UH, THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL.
IT'S STILL 261 PRESIDENTIAL UNITS.
ON THE SCREEN, UH, IS A COMPARISON OF OUR DENSITY AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY SIX.
AND OUR APPENDIX W REQUIREMENTS, UH, THEY'RE AGAIN PROPOSING THE FSF SIX IS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING SOME VARIANCES FROM THAT APPENDIX W UH, SO THE FIRST IS THE MINIMUM LOT AREA.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING 5,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SF SIX.
UM, BUT THE APPENDIX W DOES REQUIRE, UH, A LARGER LOT.
UH, THE SECOND VARIANCE IS TO THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING 50 FEET, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY SIX, BUT DOES REQUIRE A VARIANCE FROM THE REQUIRED 65 FEET FROM APPENDIX W.
AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THE HEIGHT TO BE INCREASED FROM 25 FEET TO 30 FEET.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT.
AGAIN, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPOSAL HAS NOT CHANGED.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT.
UH, SEVERAL PAGES WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
THIS IS JUST A A FEW EXAMPLES.
PART OF APPENDIX W REQUIRES NON FRONT ENTRY GARAGES, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING ALL FRONT ENTRY GARAGES AS A COMPENSATORY MEASURE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME GARAGE DOOR UPGRADES.
SO YOU CAN SEE EXAMPLES OF THESE WITH THE DECORATIVE BRACKETS.
A WOOD LOOK, AGAIN, WITH THE DECORATIVE BRACKETS.
AND THEN THE, THE WINDOWS UP AT THE TOP UP.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE REQUIRING A VARIANCE, VARIANCES TO THE LOT WIDTH, LOT AREA AND MAX HEIGHT, AND THEN TO THE GARAGE TYPE.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE PROPOSING A COMPENSATORY MEASURE.
I DID WANNA MENTION ON THEIR, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, UH, THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED 14 LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE 65 FOOT AS A COMPENSATORY MEASURE.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME WRITTEN OPPOSITION.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATIONS IN BLUE ON THE SCREEN ON FEBRUARY 27TH.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO STAFFS ENABLE TO FULLY SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION OF THE REQUEST DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE LOOM.
BUT WE DO NOTE THAT IT IS ALLOWED PER THE EXISTING ZONING.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.
UH, AS MENTIONED, WE, UH, HEARD THE MESSAGE WE RECEIVED LAST TIME AT COUNCIL OF THE DENTS, UH, ZERO LOT LINE PRODUCT IN ADDITION TO THE, THE MULTIFAMILY THAT IS ALREADY MM-HMM
THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY, ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING ON THAT.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SAVANNAH, UM, AND STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE DO LIKE GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND IN THE PRIOR, UH, SESSION MENTIONED THE, THE NEED FOR, UM, HOUSING LIKE THIS.
AND, UM, SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS THE SUPPORT.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN MANHATTAN.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, UM, IT'S A GOOD PLAN THAT, THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO PRESENT.
SO, UM, I'LL SEE THE REST OF THE TIME AT THE MOMENT, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS NEEDED.
UM, I JUST WANT TO MENTION ON THE RECORD THAT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE DENIED, AND I SAY MAYBE WE CAN REIMAGINE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SUCH REIMAGINING, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL TOWNHOUSES.
NOW ALL OF THAT IS GONNA BE SINGLE.
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WILL NOW BE SINGLE FAMILY FOR SALE, WHICH IS GREAT.HOWEVER, UM, LOOKING AT THE IMAGES, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS ARE THE NUMBER OF STARTER HOMES KIND OF OUTPACING THE, THE SECONDARY HOMES.
AND AS FAMILIES GROW, NEEDING TO MOVE INTO A LARGER HOME, AND IN OUR CALL, YOU SAID THESE WOULD ALL BE 1800 TO 2,400 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN AS OF NOW.
SO, BUT WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO INCREASE EVERY HOME AND, AND MAKE IT NOW A NON AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY WHERE EVERYTHING'S PRICED OUT.
BUT ON THAT 50 FOOT LOT, WE DO HAVE OTHER PLANS.
THERE IS A COUPLE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE, OH YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE CERTAIN LOTS ON, ON HERE AT CORNERS THE STARS, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE LARGER LOTS ANYWAY.
SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UH, TO, I THINK WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TO, AND, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE VERY MANY, HOW MANY, I THINK THERE'S 17.
UM, NOW WE COULD FIT MORE ON THE SMALLER LOTS, BUT THEN IT, YOU'RE CRAMMING A, A LARGER HOUSE INTO A SMALLER, UH, LOT.
BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND WE'RE, WE'RE WELCOME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
I, I THINK THAT GROWING FAMILIES, IF, IF THEY NEED THE SPACE, THEY NEED THE SPACE.
SO I WOULD, UH, REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT.
UM, LIKE, AND I'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT COLLEAGUES THAT ARE, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THEIR EXPERTISE THAT OKAY.
BUT UH, THAT CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
STAFF WEATHER, WHAT'S ALLOWED TO BUILD THERE? NOW? I ALWAYS LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
SO THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS, UH, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ON ABOUT SIX ACRES.
THERE'S MULTIFAMILY AND THEN THERE'S GENERAL RETAIL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ALL FELT OKAY.
REMEMBER THAT'S THE ONE WE GOT.
UH, QUADRA CAMO ADDRESS IS 44 22 MEADOW HAWK DRIVE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF ECHO WHAT, UM, ANDREW SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, LARGER LOTS, YOU KNOW, 1800 TO 2,400 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL 4, 3, 4, 2 AND A HALF, UH, TYPE, UH, FLOOR PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD KIND OF AGREED TO POTENTIALLY DO LARGER, UM, ON THE 65 FOOT LOTS TO, YOU KNOW, BUMP UP, BUMP IT UP TO LIKE AT LEAST 2,800 TO 3000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOR THOSE LOTS.
I, I WAS HOPING TO SEE, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO ANDREWS 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOMES.
WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE AT ALL? YEAH, THAT'S POSSIBLE ON THE 65 FOOT LOT.
THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR MOTION.
NOW, IN MAKING IT PART OF MY MOTION, UM, I KIND OF WOULD WANNA BE MORE SPECIFIC THAT YOU GUYS WOULDN'T JUST ADD, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE, YOU KNOW.
SO COULD YOU ADD, WE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE 17.
14, UH, 65 FOOT LOTS ON THERE.
SO WHAT COULD YOU INCREASE THAT TO? SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GO UP TO 10%.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, 16 OF THE TOTAL LOTS.
NOW HOW BIG A HOUSE COULD YOU BUILD ON THOSE LOTS? ON THE 65 FOOT LOTS? YEAH.
YOU CAN GET UP TO 3,500 SQUARE FOOT EASILY.
HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE YOU WILLING TO BUILD AT 3,500 ON ALL THOSE LOTS? YES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, JUST 'CAUSE THESE GOING TO THAT SIZE DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT THERE WAS ALL GONNA BE THAT SIZE OF HOUSE.
SO YOU, THAT COULD BE PART OF YOUR MOTION TOO.
NOT ONLY IS THAT MANY, LOTS ARE THAT SIZE, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE ONLY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
AND MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 14 LOTS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN INCREASE THAT TO TWO MORE LOTS, CORRECT? YEAH.
ANY CHANCE YOU CAN DO MORE THAN THAT?
SO THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL SUBSTANTIAL.
UM, I WAS HOPING MAYBE YOU COULD GET IT UP TO MAYBE 24.
I KNOW THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN 10%.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED TIME TO RUN THE NUMBERS ON TO SEE IF POSSIBLE? YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WOULD NEED TIME TO RUN THE NUMBERS.
LET, LET ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
CAN THEY BUILD A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT
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HOUSE ON A SMALLER LOT? I'M SURE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE MAY TRIGGER SOME VARIANCES ON SETBACKS.SO IT COULDN'T, IT IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
YES, BECAUSE 65 IS NOT THAT BIG A LOT ANYWAY.
HOW ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, FIRST, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIMM LOPEZ? YEAH, I, AND I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS WE JUST, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE IF WE CAN GET THE VARIANCES ON, UH, THOSE EXTRA LOTS ON THE FIFTIES, BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE ON THE FIFTIES, WE WE WILL DO THAT.
IS THIS PART OF THE PI, INDEPENDENT PI OR IS IT PART OF HOA, I MEAN, HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? STAFF? DO Y'ALL KNOW PART OF THE P IN THE PI? I DON'T.
I WE HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT A BID ON THIS MR. HILL.
WOULD, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE FORM STATES BID.
SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT SURE? I'M NOT ONE OF, SO, YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW FORM STATES, I MEAN, FORM DRIVE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN, AND THE PI'S VERY ACTIVE THERE.
I WOULDN'T WANT THIS TO START GOING BACKWARDS.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE MOTION OR NOT, BUT CLARIFY, IT APPEARS AS PART OF THE FORM OF STATE'S PIT NUMBER FIVE AND THE WESTERN, IT'S SPLIT.
THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT, IS NOT, IT'S NOT.
SO ONLY HALF THE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE P I'M NOT CERTAIN WHY IT WAS DONE.
CAN WE REQUIRE ALL OF IT TO BE PART OF THE P WE REQUIRE P BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
WE, WE, WE'VE MADE, SORRY, MAYOR, WE'VE MADE THAT A MOTION BEFORE, UH, WHERE THE CHURCH OUT IN WESTCHESTER SOLD THE LAND TO THE, AND, AND WE FORCED THE MULTIFAMILY TO BE A PART OF THAT PIT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD, IF THE PIT WAS WILLING TO BRING IT IN, WHICH WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE? WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE? AND THEY'D PROBABLY BE MAD IF THEY DIDN'T.
WE CAN'T FORCE THE PIT TO DO IT.
WE CAN FORCE THEM TO REQUEST, BUT WE CAN'T FORCE THE P TO ACCEPT THEM IN
BECAUSE WE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COURT.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO WITH THE P AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, P WELL, IT WOULDN'T MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING.
IT WOULD MAKE THE HOMEOWNERS PAY, UH, 10 CENTS TAX.
10, 10 CENT TAX PER HUNDRED FOR THE P.
RIGHT NOW HALF OF IT'S IN THE PIT AND HALF OF IT'S NOT.
SO CURRENTLY, HOW ABOUT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY? IS IT PART OF HOA OR Y'ALL DOING THE HOA AT ALL? YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE AN HOA FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, IT CAN BE MANDATORY IF WE MAKE IT PART OF A MOTION, I GUESS.
AND I, I WANNA ECHO THE, THE SENTIMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HADN'T SAID ABOUT LETTING Y'ALL COME BACK AND PRESENT US A BETTER PRODUCT.
AND WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL TO SEE THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES.
MY QUESTION DEALT WITH, WHAT ARE THOSE, UH, PRICE POINTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A A THREE BEDROOM HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, SO I THINK, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STARTING FROM 1800 TO 2,400 SQUARE FOOT.
SO I THINK ON THE LOW END, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT AROUND 360 ALL THE WAY UP TO AROUND FOUR 20.
SO FOUR 20 FOR LIKE A FOUR BEDROOM HOME.
FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATH ON THE HIGH SIDE, 2,400.
BUT THE, UM, THE LARGER HOMES THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WILL PROBABLY BE PRICED HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO, UM, WE'LL YOU WOULD THINK 300.
UM, REMIND ME WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOMES ARE.
1 67 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY 16 OR TO 18 IN THE HIGHER PRICE.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, SINCE 18 IS THE LOW END OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST AESTHETICALLY, UH, THE LARGER HOMES, IF WE WENT TO 35, WOULD BE TWICE, NEARLY TWICE THE SIZE OF THE OTHERS.
I'M JUST SAYING AESTHETICALLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF 167 HOMES.
DOES THAT SOUND, I'M ASKING OTHER OPINIONS HERE, OR SHOULD IT BE LIMITED MAYBE TO 3000 OR SOMETHING? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP UP? IT'LL BE THE, THE HIGHER, UM,
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OH, WE JUST JUMPED STRAIGHT FROM 18 TO 24 TO 3,500.I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S AS AESTHETICALLY PRACTICAL IN, IN THAT SENSE.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO HER QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO 24 TO 35 THEN IT'S NOT SO LOPSIDED.
UM, BUT BASICALLY WE, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO LEAVE, UH, OUT OF GRAND PRAIRIE A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THESE STARTER HOMES AVAILABLE AND APARTMENTS AVAILABLE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NEEDING MORE SPACE THAN THAT, AND WE REALLY WANT THEM TO STAY MM-HMM
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY FOR SALE.
UM, I MEAN, THESE ARE 50 BY 1 25.
THEY, THEY ARE LARGE LOTS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TO KIND OF WHAT WE SEE IN TODAY'S MARKET.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO NOT JUST YOUR, YOUR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, BUT ALSO KIND OF YOUR MOVE UP, UM, BUYERS AS WELL.
UM, AND WE KIND OF HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT OPTION IN THERE.
UM, WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE VARIATION, UM, WELL IN LINE WITH WHAT SHE SAID IS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER JUST SHIFTING, UH, THE RANGE FROM 1800 TO 20 TO TO, AND THEN WITH A COUPLE AT 35, UH, HUNDRED TO THE 24 TO 35 AND LEAVING OFF THE 1800 SQUARE FOOT FOOT TO MAKE IT JUST MAKE MORE SENSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TWICE THE SIZE HOUSE NEXT TO LITTLE BITTY HOUSE.
YEAH, SO I THINK HAVING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL KIND OF LIKE THAT VARIATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, I LIVE IN THE MERIDIAN AND YOU KNOW, WE IN, IN ARLINGTON, SO IT'S A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN ARLINGTON.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SO NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TOWN HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE UM, 1800 TO 2,400 SQUARE FOOT AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF LARGER HOMES.
IT JUST KIND OF GIVES THAT VARIETY TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COULD ESSENTIALLY BUY A HOME HERE AND STILL MOVE UP WITHIN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WANTED TO.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T, YOU PERSONALLY, AND YOU GUYS AS EXPERIENCED DON'T PERCEIVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE 1800 UP TO 3,500 IN ONE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH.
COUNCIL MEMBER COPELAND, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL IS ALL IS ALSO LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT.
AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DEMAND AS COUNCILMAN HEDEN IS SAYING, FOR THE SECONDARY HOME.
I, I DID NOT, IN MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE MARKETPLACE, I DID NOT THINK THAT COULD ALL EXIST INSIDE 1 167 LOT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT AND DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, YOU THINK YOU COULD SELL A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME NEXT DOOR TO AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME? YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF STRATEGICALLY PLACED THEM TO LIKE CORNER LOTS AND AREAS THAT ARE BACKING UP TO THE CREEK.
SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, IF NOT, IF YOU INCREASE THAT NUMBER UP TO 24, LIKE COUNCILMAN HEATON IS ASKING YOU TO DO THAT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER.
I MEAN, SO AT THAT POINT, THE ONLY WAY I SEE YOU DOING IT IS KNOCKING IT DOWN FROM 167 LOTS TO 157 OR SOMETHING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIVIDE IT ALL OUT AT THAT POINT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT AGAIN TO GET TO HER 24 NUMBER.
AND, AND, AND I, I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AS AS, UH, THAT AN 1800 NEXT DOOR TO A 3,300 THAT, THAT, BUT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE, HEY, YOU'RE THE CAT SELLING THE LOTS.
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN SELL 'EM, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M SURPRISED THAT WE CAN RESOLVE ALL OF OUR HOUSING ISSUES IN 167 LOT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
AND, AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO, AND, AND, UH, UH, I, I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND, WE NEED TO DECIDE WE EITHER WE WANT 1800 TO 2,400 OR WE WANT 2,400 TO 3,300 SQUARE FOOT, OR 18 TO 33.
LET ME TALK THIS OVER REAL QUICK.
OH, WHY DID YOU LEAVE? OH, OKAY.
THEY, THEY WENT, THIS IS FOR STAFF.
THIS IS FOR STAFF ON THE PROPOSED ZONING.
UH, YOU SAID THEY, PART OF IT IS IN THE FORM PIT.
THAT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE MULTIFAMILY.
IN THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE OF MULTIFAMILY.
GONNA REQUEST TO GET INTO THE PIT OR HOA AS IT STANDS, THE, THE PIT LINE IS ABOUT HERE.
AND SO EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE IS IN THE FORM OF STATE PIT NUMBER FIVE.
SO YES, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION
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OF EXPANDING THIS 'CAUSE THEN YOU'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE PAYING IN SOME PEOPLE.THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T FORCE THE PIT TO ACCEPT IT.
BUT WE THINK THAT WHY WOULDN'T WE? BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF THE MOTION THAT THEY ASKED TO BE PART OF THE PIT.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE HAD AN ISSUE ON THE PENINSULA.
SO I I HOPE THE P WOULD ACCEPT IT OR THE MOTION TO BE PART OF THAT.
BUT WHY WOULD THEY TURN DOWN THE MONEY? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMSON.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? DO YOU MEAN THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE.
THE GENTLEMAN PRESENTING, UH, SAID HE LIVED IN VIRIDIAN.
AND JUST TO ME PERSONALLY, MY, MY TASTE, THESE DON'T LOOK AS NICE AS SOME OF THE HOUSES IN VERIDIAN.
SO DON'T LOOK LIKE ANY HOUSES IN VERIDIAN.
SO I I
SO, UH, I'M INTERESTED IN SINGLE FAMILY.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF SINGLE FAMILY HAVING SOME OPTIONS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD RAISE THE BAR ON, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE WITH YOU TO KICK ON DOWN THE ROAD AND WORK MORE ON IT.
YOU'D PROBABLY GET UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
IF, UH, LET'S SEE HOW GOOD WE CAN GET THERE.
UH, LET'S, NO, LET'S DON'T ASK THEM, LET'S TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT.
UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LOPEZ.
JUST CONFIRMATION WITH STAFF AND UM, MEGAN, SO IF WE SAY WE WANT CERTAIN NUMBER OF LOTS, SIX FIVE, CAN WE REQUIRE THEM THAT THEY NEED TO BUILD A 3,500 HOUSE ON THERE? OR JUST THE LOT? I'M THINKING YOU ONLY DO THE LOT.
'CAUSE I KNOW IF I WAS A HOME BUYER, I WANT A BIGGER LOT AND SMALLER HOUSE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, CAN WE, WE MAY NOT WANT TO, BUT I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN STIPULATE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE HOME.
UM, IT'S UNIQUE TO HAVE IT ON SPECIFIC LOTS, BUT I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REQUIRING MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE ENTIRE DEV DEVELOPMENT AND REQUIRING MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR SPECIFIC LOTS.
I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULD WANT TO, BUT WE CAN.
COULD WE BE, I MEAN, IF WE WERE ABLE TO OR WILLING TO AGREE TO A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL HOMES ARE IN THIS RANGE OF SIZES? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE LIKE THE WELL TO, TO, TO, I DON'T THINK WE LIKE THE WHOLE CONCEPT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, INSTEAD OF LOCK TO, TO HIS POINT OF SAYING IF WE AGREE WE'RE GONNA DO 2436, 3600 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, THAT'S WHATEVER PERCENTAGE, BUT NOT TYING THEM TO SPECIFIC LOTS AND SAYING, OH, THIS PERCENT OF THE A HUNDRED SIXTY SEVEN SEVEN, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE SPREAD OUT.
I THINK WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT TOO.
YOU GOOD? BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT PUSH THIS BACK.
SO YOU, YOU GOOD, JOHN? I'M OKAY.
UM, SO TO COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMSON'S, UH, OBSERVATION, HE, SHE SAID THESE DON'T LOOK LIKE THE HOMES IN MERIDIAN.
UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE GARAGE DOORS WERE UPGRADED.
THEY LOOK NOT SO UPGRADED TO ME.
I'VE SEEN THOSE PIECES OF HARDWARE, DECORATIVE HARDWARE ON AMAZON.
SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGER HOMES WITH THAT.
THEY NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE FANCIER.
I'VE SEEN THE WOOD GARAGE DOORS LOOK VERY NICE, RIGHT? SO I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY TO OUR DISTRICT.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, I JUST, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING WHEN THEY NEED THESE LARGER HOMES.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, CAN I GIVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO TABLE THIS, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL JUST TWEAKING THIS AESTHETICALLY AS WELL AS THE SCALE OF THE HOMES.
MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ONE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HUMP.
DEPUTY, UH, MAYOR PROM, HUMPHREY'S, VOTING NAY.
[22. ZON-23-01-0007 - Zoning Change/Concept Plan - Downtown Planned Development District (City Council District 5). Zoning Change from Central Area District to a Planned Development District for Central Area Use and a Concept Plan. Legally described as Lots 1-8, Block K 10, Thomas 2; Lots 1-4, Block J/9, Thomas 2; Lots 1-8, Block H, Thomas 2; Lots 1 and 2, Block 229/A1, Thomas Second Revised; JD Duncan Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12; Lots 1, 2, Chase; Lot 10- 11, Block B, Chase; Lot 1, Block 1, Grand Prairie Fire Station; Lot 1, Block 1, Grand Prairie Municipal Campus Addition; Lot 1-R, Block 250/10, Original Town of Grand Prairie; Part of Lots 3-5, Block 23, Original Town of Grand Prairie; Lots 8-16, Block 9, Original Town of Grand Prairie; Lot 4R, Block F6, W H Thomas 2nd Revised. Addressed as 310, 400 College St; 401, 406, 409, 410, 413, 421, 423, 428, 500, 510, 514, 518, 522, 526 W Church St; 114 NW 5th St; 116, 118, 120, 121, 130, 200, 210, 300, 321, 402, 406, 516 W Main St; 103, 151 SW 5th St (On February 13, 2023, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval by a vote of 7-0)]
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MAYOR, COUNCIL RASHAD, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.WE'RE BACK TO AN OPEN SESSION.
UM, RASHAD DON'T PRESENT THIS.
WE'RE GONNA ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE.
IF IT PASSES, WE'LL WAIT TILL LATER.
OKAY, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I MOTION I MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 22 UNTIL A LATER DATE.
WHICH, UH, WHICH LATER DATE? WHAT'S LATER DATE? NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
I'LL SAY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE TABLE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
COUNCIL MEMBER HEDON, BUT I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.
UH, MOTION TABLE AND THREE TABLES.
THERE OUGHT TO BE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES, THEN
[23. TAM-22-12-0014 - Text Amendment - Article 12: Platting. An Ordinance amending Article 12 of the Unified Development Code of the City of Grand Prairie, Texas, by retitling the article from “Platting” to “Subdivision and Utilities,” and amending Section 27, “Public Facilities” to provide for the placement of utilities underground; providing a savings clause and a severability clause; and providing an effective date (On February 13, 2023, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval by a vote of 7-0)]
23.ALRIGHT, MAYOR, COUNSEL, ITEM 23 IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO OUR ARTICLE 12, WHICH IS OUR PLATING AND, UM, UTILITY SECTION.
JEFF'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR IT IF YOU WANT IT.
YOU, YOU, YOU EXPLAINED IT SO WELL.
WHAT'S THIS ONE? THIS NEXT ANOTHER TEXT AMENDMENT.
[24. TAM-23-01-0001 - Text Amendment - Article 6: Density and Dimensional Standards. An Ordinance of the City of Grand Prairie, Texas, amending Article 6: Density and Dimensional Standards of the Unified Development Code to consolidate carport standards into a single section; Repealing all Ordinances or parts of Ordinances in conflict herewith; Containing a savings clause and a severability clause; and to become effective upon its passage and approval (On February 13, 2023, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval by a vote of 7-0)]
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24.WE HAVE MOTION IN THREE SECONDS.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
COLIN PACKER WITH REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN'S OFFICE.REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN SENDS HIS REGARD REGARDS, AND HE SAID HE IS COMING THURSDAY NIGHT FROM MY STATE OF THE CITY.
UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT GIVE US THE REGARDS FROM HIS OFFICE, BUT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE MINUTES.
I'LL TRY TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF TIME TONIGHT.
I'M NEW TO, UH, REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN'S EXECUTIVE TEAM AS HIS COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR.
HE'S ALSO ASKED ME TO BE, UH, AVAILABLE TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CONNECTING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FAITH-BASED PARTNERSHIPS AS WELL.
AND SO IT'S GOOD TO MEET YOU ALL TONIGHT AND, UH, JUST WANNA INTRODUCE MYSELF, BUT ALSO, UH, LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 88 SESSION AND JUST A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE FROM OUR OFFICE.
SO I'LL DO THAT BRIEFLY IF I CAN TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL FROM REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN THAT, UH, AS A FORMER CITY MANAGER AND FORMER MAYOR AND, UH, AND BUS BUSINESSMAN PASTOR THAT, UH, THAT HE'S, HE, HE APPRECIATES SO MUCH WHAT YOU DO AND, UH, GIVES HIS GREAT REGARD AND RESPECT FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN THE CITY.
UH, LOCAL CONTROL IS ONE OF THOSE VALUES THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO LEGISLATE WITH AND, UH, PUSH LEGISLATION THROUGH FOR.
AND SO, UH, WE WANT TO BE AVAILABLE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE LOCAL CONTROL ISSUES ARE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THOSE WHO ARE LOCAL CLOSEST, UH, TO THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN A CITY ARE THOSE THAT CAN KNOW BEST THE SOLUTIONS, UH, THAT CAN BE BROUGHT FORWARD.
UH, BEFORE I GET TO OUR LEGISLATION, A COUPLE OF UPDATES.
ONE IS THAT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN HAS BEEN NAMED AS THE CO-CHAIR, UH, FOR THE DALLAS DELEGATION FOR, UH, DALLAS COUNTY.
AND SO THERE ARE 14 BIPARTISAN, UH, REPRESENTATIVES THAT MAKE UP THAT DELEGATION.
AND SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO MAKING SURE THAT DALLAS COUNTY IS SUPPORTED AND, UH, WORKED THROUGH IN SO MANY WAYS.
AND SO, UH, ANYWAY, WANTED TO, TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE ON THE CORRECTIONS COMMITTEE AGAIN AS WELL FOR THE THIRD SESSION IN A ROW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS IMPORTANT TO OUR OFFICE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD ON THAT.
BUT WE ARE ON A NEW COMMITTEE THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO YOU, AND THAT IS THE LAND AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, UH, COMMITTEE.
AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING ISSUES AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO A STATE LEVEL, WE WANT TO KNOW AND HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MAY BE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU AND WORK WITH YOU AS WE, UH, MOVE FORWARD INTO THE 80TH SESSION AND BEYOND AS WELL.
COUPLE OF BILLS I WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON THIS SESSION, UH, THAT WE HAVE FILED IS A MINIMUM SALARY FOR OFFICERS BILL, WHICH IS HPE 1354.
THIS, UH, THIS BILL IS ENSURING IN MUNICIPALITIES UNDER 5,000 THAT PAY FOR OFFICERS WOULD MOVE FROM WHAT IS OFTEN A, AN AVERAGE SALARY OF $25,000, $30,000 UP TO $55,000, UH, THROUGH THE SUPPLEMENTAL SUPPORT OF THE STATE, UH, AS LONG AS THERE'S, UH, NO MISCONDUCT AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, AND NOTHING ON THE RECORD THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM UH, BEING WANDERING COPS AND THAT ISSUE THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE STATE FROM TIME TO TIME.
WE ALSO, UH, HAVE A BILL THAT JUST GOT FILED TODAY, UH, THAT IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BILL
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HAVING TO DO WITH FOOD DESERTS AND MAKING SURE THAT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH.AND SO, UH, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE PUSHING THAT FORWARD.
AND THE BILL NUMBER IS, UH, IS STILL TO COME.
ALSO AN AC AND PRISONS BILL, UH, 1355, UH, IN, IN OUR CITY AND COUNTY JAILS.
OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT, UH, TEMPERATURES THAT ARE KEPT ADEQUATE, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE AT OUR STATE PRISON LEVEL.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE TEMPERATURES ARE KEPT AT A, AN ADEQUATE RATE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR JAILS, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO ARE WORKERS OF OUR JAILS.
OUR ANIMAL SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT, AND YET THAT'S NOT TRUE IN OUR STATE PRISONS.
AND SO WE WANNA UP THAT EXPECTATION, UH, AND WE BELIEVE IT'S INHUMANE AND UNACCEPTABLE, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT CHANGE THIS SESSION AS A RESULT OF THAT LEGISLATION.
AGAIN, REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN WOULD LIKE ME TO EXPRESS HIS DEEP GRATITUDE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO ON BEHALF OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
AND, UH, YOU ARE HIS HEROES AS ELECTED LEADERS.
HE KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SIT IN YOUR SEATS AND HE, UH, WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HIS FULL SUPPORT IN THE 88TH SESSION.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY NEED.
MY, UH, EMAIL ADDRESS IS COLLIN C-O-L-L-I-N DOT PACKER, P-A-C-K-E-R, AT TEXAS.HOUSE.GOV.
AND, UH, I WILL BE, UH, PASSING ALONG OUR LEG LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES DOCUMENT SO THAT EACH OF YOU CAN HAVE IT.
SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, THROUGH CITIZEN COMMENTS WE CAN'T GIVE, GIVE AND TAKE.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.
MY NAME'S GORDON JONES FROM 3 0 5 OAK TRAIL DRIVE DOUBLE OAK, TEXAS 7 5 0 7 7.
I SHOULD BE JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER FOUR MINUTES.
WHERE'S THE SHOT CLOCK ANYWAY? YOU LEMME KNOW.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL.
MY FATHER FOUGHT AGAINST THE NAZI ARMY IN WORLD WAR II.
MY FATHER, CHESLEY H JONES, FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE AND SURVIVED SO THAT YOU AND I AND ALL CITIZENS OF AMERICA WOULD HAVE CERTAIN FREEDOMS, ONE OF WHICH IS TO WORSHIP WHATEVER DEITY WE SEE FIT OR NO DEITY AT ALL, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT MANDATED RELIGION.
WHY IS THIS RELEVANT TO GRAND PRAIRIE? I COME BEFORE YOU ALL BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK LATELY, WE HAVE IN OUR SOCIETY AND IN THIS CITY, PEOPLE THAT WOULD TELL MY FRIENDS WHAT GOD TO WORSHIP AND EXACTLY HOW TO WORSHIP HIM OR HER.
ON TOP OF THAT, THEY SAY THAT THOSE THAT DON'T ABIDE BY THEIR BELIEF SYSTEMS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH.
YES, I'M TALKING ABOUT NAZIS AGAIN AND NOT JUST ANY NAZI.
THIS IS NAZI IN THE FORM OF MINISTER OF STEADFAST BAPTIST CHURCH.
HE RESIDES HERE IN GRAND PRAIRIE IN THE 2,500 BLOCK OF MARION STREET.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE GROUP CALLED NO HATE IN HEARS, EXCUSE ME, FORMERLY NO HATE IN TEXAS.
TAKE A BREATH FORMERLY, NO HATE IN HEARSE.
AND WE HAVE BEEN PROTESTING AGAINST HIS CHURCH FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS AND HAVE HAD A 100% SUCCESS RATE IN GETTING THEM EVICTED FROM EACH OF THEIR THREE PERMANENT LOCATIONS.
IN HIS MOST RECENT SERMON GIVEN JUST NINE DAYS AGO, HE CALLED FOR THE ELIMINATION OF ALL JEWS AND LGBTQIA PLUS PERSONS, NOT UNLIKE WHAT WAS SPOKE OF AND SPOKEN OF OPENLY IN THE 1930S GERMANY.
YOU HAVE TO GET CHRISTIANS TO REALIZE WHO THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN IS.
YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TO REALIZE GOD HATES PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TO REALIZE THAT THE F**S AND THE JEWS ARE OF THE DEVIL.
AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE TRUE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND WE WANT TO LOVE GOD IN THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WE CANNOT ALLOW THEM TO SURVIVE.
LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING, SOMEONE'S GONNA DIE.
I DON'T THINK YOU REALIZE WE ARE IN A CRASH COURSE.
IS IT GONNA BE CHRISTIANS OR IS IT GONNA BE THE F**S AND THE JEWS? BECAUSE THERE IS NOT AN OPTION WHERE WE BOTH JUST CO-EXIST PERMANENTLY.
THESE WORDS ARE INCITEMENT TO GENOCIDE AND THEY HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE FBI, THE TEXAS STATE POLICE AND IDAHO STATE POLICE FOR IT WAS IN AN IDAHO CHURCH THAT MR. SHELLY UTTERED THESE WORDS.
I WILL NOW READ TO YOU A SHORT SPEECH, SOME CALL IT A POEM BY MARTIN NI MULLER ENTITLED, FIRST THEY CAME MARTIN NI MULLER WAS A PROMINENT LUTHERAN PASTOR AND SUPPORTER OF ADOLF HITLER IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO THE WAR, HE LATER BECAME WHAT WE WOULD NOW CALL WOKE AND SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE ATROCITIES BEING COMMITTED AGAINST HIS GAY AND JEWISH NEIGHBORS.
FOR THAT HE SPENT SEVEN YEARS IN THE S HAUSEN AND
THERE WERE NUMEROUS VERSIONS OF THIS POEM, BUT HERE'S THE ORIGINAL.
FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE SOCIALIST, BUT I DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A SOCIALIST.
THEN THEY CAME FOR THE TRADE UNIONISTS, BUT I
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DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A TRADE UNIONIST.THEN THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS AND I DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A JEW.
THEN THEY CAME FOR ME AND THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK FOR ME.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL, I'M QUITE AWARE THAT THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO DIRECTLY TO AFFECT MR. SHELLEY, A RESIDENT OF GRAND PRAIRIE.
IT MAY EVEN BE POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE SOME AMONGST YOU WHO SYMPATHIZE WITH HIS VIEW, WITH HIS VIEWS.
BUT I AM HERE TO SAY LOUDLY AND CLEARLY THAT MR. SHELLY AND HIS HATE IS NOT WELCOME IN GRAND PRAIRIE IS NOT WELCOME IN TEXAS.
IT IS NOT WELCOME ANYWHERE IN AMERICA.
THESE VALUES OF EXCLUSION AND EXTERMINATION ARE NOT WHAT MY FATHER FOUGHT FOR AND I DAMN SURE WON'T ALLOW HIS EFFORTS TO HAVE BEEN IN VAIN.
MYSELF AND OTHERS WILL CONTINUE TO PROTEST ON MARION STREET UNTIL MR. SHELLEY IS EITHER DRIVEN FROM THIS TOWN OR FINDS HIMSELF IN A, IN THE NEAREST FEDERAL FACILITY FOR THAT IS WHERE HE BELONGS.